true2god:
What are the conditions?

EzioAuditore

Your first claim is Allah is a pagan God in the kaabah,? Lol! I guess your confusion stems from the fact that Muhammad worshipped Allah even before revelations, now in order to understand this you need to read the story of Abraham, the real story, not the rubbish your bible is selling. Also! What You may not know is Allah-God-Elohim, all means the same thing, meaning that Allah means God. So where is your proof that Allah was a pagan God? Was there an idol named such in the whole of Arabia back then?

Secondly, you claimed Gabriel tortured Muhammad to the point of contemplating suicide and such has never happened to previous prophets.

What you're questioning is why God didn't send a 12 year old woman who was about to become pregnant to the point that she may fall unconscious? You should take a minute to think about that, that's if you're capable. Muhammad saw Gabriel in his angel form, read the bible and see what happened to Daniel when he saw an angel in the form of a man. Are all prophets the same? What happened to one, may not happen to the other, we're all prophets swallowed by a fish? We're they all raised by a pharaoh or King like Moses? I guess in Daniels case, when he saw an angel and was trembling, that was the devil too right? Also, not all of Muhammads revelations were this intense, as reported by Aisha (RA), there are revelations that come in his dreams, and whatever Muhammad sees in his dreams, they always come to pass, and as the Quran tells us, there are "weighty messages". As to the part about contemplating suicide, read because you clearly don't understand, suicide is caused by depression, not torture or pain, you should research that, now read:

Waraqa said, "This is the same Namus (i.e., Gabriel, the Angel who keeps the secrets) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they turn me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said: "Never did a man come with something similar to what you have brought but was treated with hostility. If I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night).

Muhammad expected the revelations to guide his path from day to day, but they subsided. Gabriel did not appear for some time, and all around him there was nothing but silence. Muhammad fell into solitude, separated from himself as well as from the people. His old fears recurred. It is told that even Khadijah said to him, "Does it not seem that your Lord is displeased with you?" Dismayed and frightened, he returned to the mountain and the cave of Hira'. There, he prayed for God fervently, seeking assiduously to reach Him. Particularly, he wanted to ask God about the cause of this divine displeasure. Khadijah did not dread these days any less than Muhammad, nor was she any less fearful. Often Muhammad wished to die, but he would again feel the call and the command of his Lord which dispelled such ideas. It was also told that he once thought of throwing himself down from the top of Mount Hira' or Mount Abu Qubays, thinking what good was this life if his greatest hope therein was to be frustrated and destroyed? Torn between these fears on one hand and despair on the other, revelation came to him after a long interval. The word of God was as clear as it was reassuring:

And finally? An Angle telling a prophet to "read in the name of your lord" is something you find repulsive or suspicious? Are you really so blinded by hatred to see the truth?

EzioAuditore:


http://www.gsalam.net/all-you-need-to-know-about-adoption-in-islam/

true2god:
Please summarize in bullets points for better understanding.

EzioAuditore:


If you are too lazy to read then you have no business talking to me.

truthman2012:


Yes, allahh is a pagan god inside kaaba. Allah does not necessarily mean the true God among the Arabs. They called whatever idol they worshiped allahh (Quran 6:136). Mutaleb was a pagan who named his son Abdullai, meaning servant of allahh. He named his son after his own god, allahh. Was Mutaleb a believer in islam? No. His god was allahh (idol). This same idol, allahh Muhammad went to worship in Hira when islamic Gabriel appeared to him and told him that what he was worshiping was the truth. When did Mutaleb allahh (idol), which Muhammad was worshiping become the true God?



In demonology (study of operations of evil spirits), people who have contact with demons do have psychic problems like wanting to commit suicide or becoming mentally imbalanced. I know a muslim cleric who is demonic by virtue of having so much Arabic charms. The man is suffering from mental problems now, moving around the street with bear legs and carrying his shoes in his hand.



Waraq was a liar or a man who didn't know what he was saying. Nowhere did did angel Gabriel appear to Moses. Look at the ignorance of the man who confirmed the prophethood of Muhammad.



Where did you get all these lies?

You think you can just vomit any rubbish for people to swallow? Anytime you make assertions, prove your point by citing a reference.

Besides, why should he want to commit suicide because the revelations ceased? Must he be given revelations when not necessary? Was he to dictate to his god to give him revelations? His attempt to commit suicide is characteristic of demon possessed people.



Trash!

Gabriel commanded Muhammad to read when he didn't bring any document to read. Read what? A liar. How could any reasonable person believe the revelations of this liar to be the truth? Gabriel is satan in disguise. This is the reason his messages are different from God's messages as earlier given by His prophets. The bible says the Devil is a liar and the father of liars. Gabriel is the Devil the bible is talking about.

EzioAuditore:


Zakir Naik makes a good point when he says.........

Many people have a wrong concept of Satan. They think that Satan can probably do everything, except a couple of things that God can do. According to them, Satan is slightly below God in power. Since the people do not want to accept that the Qur’an is a miraculous revelation, they say that it is Satan's handiwork.



If Satan would have written the Qur’an, he would not have mentioned in the same Qur’an in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse no. 98

"When thou does read
The Qur’an, seek Allah’s protection from Satan the Rejected One."

Is this how you feel Satan would write a book? Does he tell you; "Before you read my book ask God to save you from me?"

There are several verses in the Qur’an which will give enough evidence that Satan is not the author of the Qur’an.

In Surah Al Aaraf chapter 7 verse 200

"If a suggestion from Satan assail your (mind),
seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows
(all things).

Why would Satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in Allah (swt) to whom he is an avowed enemy.

In Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 168

"O ye people!
Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good;
and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil one,
For he is to you an avowed enemy."

In Surah Yasin, chapter 36 verse 60

"Did I not enjoin on you,
O ye children of Adam,
that ye should not worship Satan;
for that he was to you an enemy avowed?"
Satan is intelligent, no wonder that he can put this idea into the minds of people that he himself wrote the Qur’an. Compared to Almighty God, Satan is insignificant, and Allah (swt) is far more intelligent. He knows Satan's evil intentions and hence no wonder that He has given the reader of the Qur’an several proofs to show that Qur’an is God’s word, and not Satan's word.

truthman2012:


You don't know what satan is up to. He is an expert deceiver. He deceived one-third of the angels in heaven, numbering billions (Rev. 12:4). Angels are beings higher than man in strength and intelligence, yet satan deceived them.

He gave muslims the impression that there is satan so that they would believe him to be God. He disguised as the sender of selected bible prophets for people to believe him as God. It is by discernment of the Spirit, a gift of the Holy Spirit that he can be detected.

Satan is the one acting the roles of allahh, gabriel and satan in the quran. Muhammad was deceived and it is pitiable.

You need to be objective and helped by the Holy Spirit to be able to detect him.

He manipulated the muslims so clearly by not being stable and always changing his revelations. He even made Muhammad to forget many of them.

Quran 87:6-7 YusufAli] By degrees shall We teach thee to declare (the Message), so thou shalt not forget,
EXCEPT as Allah wills: For He knoweth what is manifest and what is hidden.

So, allahh causes Muhammad to forget revelations after they have been revealed, why? Did he make mistakes? No, he was simply manipulating the people, including Muhammad himself.

People who were sensitive, like the Jews and Christians at that time accussed Muhammad of inconsistencies and they told him he was INVENTING his messages, then allah said:

[Quran 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but INVENTING. Most of them know not.

[Quran 2:106] Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one BETTER or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?

Tell me, why would the true God say he has a better knowledge after he has spoken? He was surely manipulating.

In verses 87:6-7, he said he could cause Muhammad to forget revelations and in verse 2:106, he denied it.

All the above changes and replacements of allahh words happened despite his statement that his words cannot change:

Quran 10:64] Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.

Who would not discover now that allahh was manipulating to deceive mankind?

EzioAuditore:




Lmao! Dude! Where did Allah say he made Muhammad forget? 'That thou shall not forget". Do you speak english? Revelations were sent depending on what the people needed at the time, for instance, he ordered hijra when muslims were not strong enough, and he ordered the muslims to defend themselves against the meccan army. Different times, different circumstances. One thing that really caught my eye is that you claimed that satan is an angel, let me get this straight, an angel like all angels who were made to be perfect and without freewill disobeyed God? If you really think that can heppen and if you still worship this god of yours, then the problem is not Muhammad mate, the problem is you are incapable of thinking.

truthman2012:


You will be able to see clearly only when you stop deceiving yourself. I have proved to you that satan hid under Mutaleb allahh to operate.

Quran 87:6-7 YusufAli] By degrees shall We teach thee to declare (the Message), so thou shalt not forget,
EXCEPT as Allah wills: For He knoweth what is manifest and what is hidden.

That where allahh says he would make Muhammad to forget revelations as he wills.

For more on allahh changing his words to deceive, read my thread on:

https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe

EzioAuditore:


Lol! It appears english is your problem. If were to tell, you "I am ridiculing your religion so that you may see the truth, except if Allah wills" what does that mean? Does it mean God will definitely make you forget? Are you thinking at all? Now as to different verses, like I said, each verse was sent with appropriate actions suitable for the time or situation in question, I gave you an example. By thge way, you jumped the post I proved your bible claims jesus came from incest*, you also dodged the part about Muhammads miracles, and also about satan being an angel... I am really enjoying watching you use the rope a dope, it means you don't have answrrs to my questions, I'll keep that in mind. Again, very useful for da'awah.

truthman2012:


Muhammad's miracles?

You have problem understanding simple things. I have proved to you he could not perform any miracles.

If any muslims say Muhammad did miracles, it is either they are lying or allahh is. Allah says he didn't give Muhammad power for miracles, where did get one to do it? So many lies in islam.

All along, the unbelievers asked Muhammad to perform a miracle so that they could believe. All they got in response was allahh saying:

Quran 17: 90
They say: "We shall not believe in thee, until thou cause a spring to
gush forth for us from the earth.

Quran 17: 93
Say: "Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man,- a messenger?"
Allah said Muhammad was a man, an ordinary man who could not perform miracles.

People doubted Muhammad because they saw nothing extraordinary or miraculous in him.

Quran 17: 94
And naught prevented mankind from believing when the guidance
came unto them save that they said: Hath Allah sent a mortal as (His) messenger?
People saw Muhammad was not supernatural

Quran 25: 7
And they say: "What sort of a messenger is this, who eats food, and walks through the streets? Why has not an angel been sent
down to him to give admonition with him?
People saw Muhammad was an ordinary man.

Quran 25: 8
"Or (Why) has not a treasure been bestowed on him, or why has he (not) a garden for enjoyment?" The wicked say: "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched."
People saw Muhammad as an ordinary man who a magician bewitched and he became insane.

But alla, kept telling them that Muhammad is just an ordinary man not an angel, meaning people should not expect miracles from him!

Quran 17: 95
Say: Had there been in the earth angels walking about as settlers, We would certainly have sent
down to them from the heaven an angel as a messenger.

No one would demand from him miracles if he had already performed one

Quran 15: 07
Why do you not bring to us the angels if you are of the truthful ones? That was people's question.

Allah responded:

Quran 15: 08
We send not the angels down except for just cause: if they came
(to the ungodly), behold! no respite would they have!

Quraishites kept asking for
a sign or a miracle to believe and allahh kept saying that Muhammad is only a warner.

Quran 13: 07
“And the Unbelievers say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him
from his Lord?" But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide.”

If Muhammad have done any miracles, allahh would not have said:

Quran 2: 3
Their hearts toying as with
trifles. The wrong-doers conceal their private counsels, (saying),
"Is this (one) more than a man like yourselves? Will ye go to witchcraft with your eyes open?"
People saw Muhammad was as ordinary as they themselves.

In all of the above quranic verses, allahh kept saying Muhammad could not perform miracles. But you and your scholars are saying he did. Who is lying, you or allahh?

ALLAH COULD NOT PERFORM MIRACLES BECAUSE HE WAS ONLY AN ARABIAN IDOL AND NOT A GOD OF MIRACLE.

truthman2012:


What is the relevance of this?

Your justification of Muhammad marrying his daughter in-law has been flawed.

Why did you quote the quran for me? Quran has no credibility because it was revealed by a lying spirit who pretended to be the true God.

true2god:
Islam cannot survive any simple scrutiny.

truthman2012:


This is the weakest defence ever. Trash! Meaningless!!

Empiree:
Lol, it already over 14oo years old

EzioAuditore:


Zakir Naik makes a good point when he says.........

Many people have a wrong concept of Satan. They think that Satan can probably do everything, except a couple of things that God can do. According to them, Satan is slightly below God in power. Since the people do not want to accept that the Qur’an is a miraculous revelation, they say that it is Satan's handiwork.



If Satan would have written the Qur’an, he would not have mentioned in the same Qur’an in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse no. 98

"When thou does read
The Qur’an, seek Allah’s protection from Satan the Rejected One."

Is this how you feel Satan would write a book? Does he tell you; "Before you read my book ask God to save you from me?"

There are several verses in the Qur’an which will give enough evidence that Satan is not the author of the Qur’an.

In Surah Al Aaraf chapter 7 verse 200

"If a suggestion from Satan assail your (mind),
seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows
(all things).

Why would Satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in Allah (swt) to whom he is an avowed enemy.

In Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 168

"O ye people!
Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good;
and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil one,
For he is to you an avowed enemy."

In Surah Yasin, chapter 36 verse 60

"Did I not enjoin on you,
O ye children of Adam,
that ye should not worship Satan;
for that he was to you an enemy avowed?"
Satan is intelligent, no wonder that he can put this idea into the minds of people that he himself wrote the Qur’an. Compared to Almighty God, Satan is insignificant, and Allah (swt) is far more intelligent. He knows Satan's evil intentions and hence no wonder that He has given the reader of the Qur’an several proofs to show that Qur’an is God’s word, and not Satan's word.

Empiree:
Lol, it is already over 14oo years old

you'd notice that most miracles by Muhammad he did on his own! No one asked him to!

the miracles regarding food and drink, splitting of the sun and repairing qatadas eye are undeniable miracles of Muhammad!

Miracles are not the power of a man, but can be performed by a prophet through the will of God,

why do you think Jesus is praying to God all the time?

Empiree:
Lol, it is already over 14oo years old

truthman2012:
EzioAuditore

Muslims are liars. They are just like their god, allahh, a lying god. The lies you told here do not tally with common sense. How old are you? You lie like a baby. Cover your face in shame. Smh!



If he had done any miracles, no one would still accuse him of not doing any. Were people not there when he did the fictitious ones you lied about? How would he have done such a big thing and people would still be saying he did nothing? How would they still say he was not better than themselves. You are a shameless liars.



He did all those and yet allahh said he could do no miracles. allah must be lying then.

Quran 13: 07
“And the Unbelievers say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him
from his Lord?" But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide.”

Look at Muhammad who split the sun, when allahh said he gave no sign. Where did he get the power to do that? Unrepented liar.



Which God? allahh who said Muhammad was not given a 'sign' but only a warner? Where are senses located? In your legs?



Where did Muhammad pray for miracles to happen? He knew his god has no power to do it.

You muslims have had your senses manipulated. You never can reason fine unless you are delivered from the lying spirit, allahh. You are to be pitied.

udatso:

Salamualaykum brother. Please don't over stress yourself trying to make him understand ooo. His heart is sealed. He would rather find 1+1+1= 1 simpler to understand than 1+1=2.
صم بكم عمي فهم لا يرجعون

EzioAuditore:


Like I said truth an you are the complete opposite of your name! Who said Muhammad split the sun? It's the moon dumb f*ck! And also which prophet is not a Warner to his people? I gave you a full list of sahib hadiths that verify all these miracles but your ignore them out of convenience, the fact that people accuse him of not having any miracles should further prove to a sane person that these people are just clueless scoundrels! These hadiths can be found here, for those who are actually interested in the truth, not dancing around like a frog from one point to the other, please visit http://www.questionsonislam.com/article/miracles-concerning-increase-food-and-drink

As to his miracles concerning the moon, one does not need to look further than the Quran, something you ignores as well:

[054:001] The hour hath approached and the MOON hath been cleft or cracked (inshaqqa):
[054:002] But whenever they see a miracle they turn aside and say, This is well-devised magic.


We were along with God's Messenger at Mina, that moon was split up into two. One of its parts was behind the mountain and the other one was on this side of the mountain. God's Messenger said to us: Bear witness to this 039:6725

You are a liar and a mad man! Come and tell me Muhammad didn't perform any miracles again! You're not looking for the truth, you just love typing!

truthman2012:


Muslims and their god are liars.

This is how he reverses almost everything he said in the quran. He abrogates almost all of his evil revelations.

Who revealed those verses where he said Muhammad was just an ordinary man who could do any miracles? Where he said Muhammad has no 'sign'? Now he reversed his word to say he split the moon or sun or whatever. An unstable and lying god.

I said it earlier that it is either muslims are lying or allahh is. It is now discovered that it is allahh that is lying. No wonder he said he has decreed hellfire for all muslims because the bible says all liars will have their part in the lake of fire. Both allahh and muslims are candidates of hell (Quran 3:185).

truthman2012:


Surviving by forcing people and beheading anyone who refuses to yield. Satanists

[Bukhari 59:643] "Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!"

Empiree:
Okay, you begin to make no sense. I took my time to go through this so as to know how i can contribute. Let me quickly respond to your "force" allegation. I and my family are not forced to be muslims. We know it is he truth. We are convinced. Over 1 billion muslims are definitely not forced either. Therefore, it's evangelism thing as usual. hadith could say whatever. It doesnt hold water. It defies the reality on the ground.

Now, back to main. I think you put lots of effort to convince us here but its all in vain. Roycain and ezioauditore really smacked you very hard. There isnt much for me to say now. If your heart is heard to accept their responses, that's your problem.

As for you true2god, you are becoming irrelivant everyday. There is no time you make sense in recent months.

truthman2012:
EzioAuditore

Muslims are liars. They are just like their god, allahh, a lying god. The lies you told here do not tally with common sense. How old are you? You lie like a baby. Cover your face in shame. Smh!



If he had done any miracles, no one would still accuse him of not doing any. Were people not there when he did the fictitious ones you lied about? How would he have done such a big thing and people would still be saying he did nothing? How would they still say he was not better than themselves. You are a shameless liars.



He did all those and yet allahh said he could do no miracles. allah must be lying then.

Quran 13: 07
“And the Unbelievers say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him
from his Lord?" But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide.”

Look at Muhammad who split the sun, when allahh said he gave no sign. Where did he get the power to do that? Unrepented liar.



Which God? allahh who said Muhammad was not given a 'sign' but only a warner? Where are senses located? In your legs?



Where did Muhammad pray for miracles to happen? He knew his god has no power to do it.

You muslims have had your senses manipulated. You never can reason fine unless you are delivered from the lying spirit, allahh. You are to be pitied.

true2god:
Why allahh changed his own statements in the Holy Quran? The following are examples of the good and kind verses, allahh revealed to mohammed in Mecca when he had only one wife, Kadhija.

THE MECCA VERSES:
“Be patient with what they say, and part from them courteously” (Q.73:10)
“To you be your religion, and to me my religion.” (Q.109:6)
“Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of your Lord” (Q.20:103)
“…and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: ‘We are Christians”; because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.” (Q.5:82
“We well know what the infidels say: but you are not to compel them”. (Q.50:45) “Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant” (Q7:119)
“Pardon thou, with a gracious pardoning.” (Q.15:85)
“Tell those who believe, to forgive, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of allahh.” (Q.45.14)
“Those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians – any who believe in allahh and the last day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” (Q.2:62)
“And do not dispute with the followers of the Book, except what is best.” (Q.29:46

After the death of Kadhija, the unholy Prophet married Sawda, and then under-aged 9-year-old Aisha at the age of 54 and by this time he became very powerful in Medina. However, the Jews and Christians had rejected his claim of prophethood and his call to embrace Islam.

Now the attitude of the unholy Prophet and tone of allahh’s subsequent verses dramatically changed. Let us now take a look at the new Koranic verses, and also reflect a little on why allahh could not honour his own earlier words.


MEDINA VERSES:
“Oh you who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you” (Q.9:123)
“I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite above their necks and smite all their finger tips off.” (Q.8:12) “Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him.” (Q.3:85)
“Slay the idolaters wherever you find them.” (Q.9.5)
“slay them wherever ye catch them.” (Q.2:191)
“Humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax if they are Christians or Jews,” (Q.9:29)
“allahh deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers” (Q 3:54)
“Muslims do not take Jews and Christians as your friends” (Q 5:51)
“Fight those who do not believe in allahh and the last day, and fight people of the book.” (Q.9:29)
“O people of the Book (Jews and Christians), do you find fault with us, except that we believe in allahh? Shall I inform you of him who is worse than this in retribution from allahh? Worse is he whom allahh has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine and he who served idols. Such are in worse plight and far more astray from the straight path” (Q.5:59-60)
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29
If Jews and Christians are the breed of monkeys and pigs in the eyes of allahh, then how it is possible that out of 820 or so Nobel Prize winners, 800 belonged to the People of the Book (Christians 620, Jews 180)? Have you noticed that all inventions and discoveries that we use today, from safety-pin to aspirin, were made by people who never read Quran?

EzioAuditore:


That true2god bloke is irrelevant, I never thought I could see the day but apparently there's someone even dumber than the truth fella. He kept on spouting rubbish and when I shut him up he resorted to childish tactics, so I just ignored the pillock. As for truthman, I think his problem is his hatred for islam outweighs his search for the truth if that's what he is indeed looking for, you should notice how he always avoids my questions because deep down, he doesn't even want the truth, he's just trying to discredit islam and I have to say he is failing woefully!