truthman2012:
Yes, allahh is a pagan god inside kaaba. Allah does not necessarily mean the true God among the Arabs. They called whatever idol they worshiped allahh (Quran 6:136). Mutaleb was a pagan who named his son Abdullai, meaning servant of allahh. He named his son after his own god, allahh. Was Mutaleb a believer in islam? No. His god was allahh (idol). This same idol, allahh Muhammad went to worship in Hira when islamic Gabriel appeared to him and told him that what he was worshiping was the truth. When did Mutaleb allahh (idol), which Muhammad was worshiping become the true God?

I thought muslims will deny that truth by a lie.

@truthman2012: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^your problem is bigger than aso rock or olumo rock or both or even bigger.
you lack understanding and since you do not think things through before impulsively writing what comes to your mind, you have taken it that when husband is with his wife sex must happen, even in time of menses. you said you are a grandfather. was there any day before you had children that your wife and you didnt sleep together, even though you spent time together and it may include sharing the bed at night?

muslim man does not sleep as in sex with his wife, specifically in time of menses. if pre-intimacy like kissing, body touching as in cozy touchy feeling kind is sex to you, you have a lot to learn still, about sex.

marrying in ihram for the prophet [sa] is not the same for a young stud of 23. when you thron lower tow your mud all over the places and no one cares, you will descend even lower to what you said about about God Almighty Allah not being God, but idol. even the pagan makkans ere better because they never reach the low state you just showed us you can reach.

truthman2012:


I thought muslims will deny that truth by a lie.

We all know the God the Jesus' ancestors worship, that is the only God of Israel. Jesus' biological parents are Jews who lived according to the jewish customs and religion, that is Judaism. Jesus' name is also Emmanuel, meaning 'God with us'.

Who is mohammed's father? What is his name? What signifcance did his name have on the better understanding of the foundation of Islam? Did mohammed retain one of the father's compound name (abdullah, meaning slave of allahh) as the islamic god?

These questions have never been answered by any muslim on nairaland. It will defintely expose the idolaterous foundation of islam.

true2god:
We all know the God the Jesus' ancestors worship, that is the only God of Israel. Jesus' biological parents are Jews who lived according to the jewish customs and religion, that is Judaism. Jesus' name is also Emmanuel, meaning 'God with us'.

Who is mohammed's father? What is his name? What signifcance did his name have on the better understanding of the foundation of Islam? Did mohammed retain one of the father's compound name (abdullah, meaning slave of allahh) as the islamic god?

These questions have never been answered by any muslim on nairaland. It will defintely expose the idolaterous foundation of islam.

With all they have discovered so far, as human beings with their senses intact, they should be thinking of rejecting islam.

Why should they continue to believe the quran when Muhammad the receiver had no regard for it?

Allah said 4 wives are permitted for muslims, but he married 21.

Allah said don't approach a menstruating because it is pollution, he was touching (f.ondling) menses.

Allah said no marriage when in retreat, he broke it and went marrying.

It is like Muhammad realized allahh was an idol he could toy with.

truthman2012:


No words coming from islamic apologists. I thought someone will tell another lies.

@underlined, in that case what's the point of them answering you if they knew what you up to?. You had preconceived notions. Dung!

truthman2012:


With all they have discovered so far, as human beings with their senses intact, they should be thinking of rejecting islam.

Why should they continue to believe the quran when Muhammad the receiver had no regard for it?

Allah said 4 wives are permitted for muslims, but he married 21.

[size=15pt]Allah, Qur'an, Sunnah[/size]

Allah said don't approach a menstruating because it is pollution, he was touching (f.ondling) menses.

Allah said no marriage when in retreat, he broke it and went marrying.

It is like Muhammad realized allahh was an idol he could toy with.

Since you act like you "know it all", question is do you believe in the bolded up there?

Empiree:
Since you act like you "know it all", question is do you believe in the bolded up there?

Why should any reasonable person believe it when Muhammad the receiver didn't have regards for it. If he believed it, he would not have broken it. Why should you?

truthman2012:


Why should any reasonable person believe it when Muhammad the receiver didn't have regards for it. If he believed it, he would not have broken it. Why should you?

You can't be taken seriously. You simply do not believe Allah is the Creator of Heaven and Earth nor do you believe Muhammad ibn Abdullah(SA) is His messanger. And you think you know better than adherents of this faith?. Joke!

Is like Atheist telling you all sorts of thing about Bible and Jesus......you will definitely try to correct them. Isn't?. So your case is no case at all. Keep up with your folly man.

Empiree:
You can't be taken seriously. You simply do not believe Allah is the Creator of Heaven and Earth nor do you believe Muhammad ibn Abdullah(SA) is His messanger. And you think you know better than adherents of this faith?. Joke!

Is like Atheist telling you all sorts of thing about Bible and Jesus......you will definitely try to correct them. Isn't?. So your case is no case at all. Keep up with your folly man.

What was the religion of mohammed's father and grand-father? Are they muslims?

true2god:
What was the religion of mohammed's father and grand-father? Are they muslims?

Is it relevant to this subject? Is it relevant to the essence of islam?

Arguing with these dimwits is like riding a merry go round, you will always end up where you started, the same questions you answered will be brought up again over and over again. "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result". Yet they dodge your questions like Cassius Clay, Like the Quran says:

2:18
Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return [to the right path].

Please my recommendation is to leave these chuffers to their madness, let them continue dancing on the beach like the mad men that they are, no point in arguing with gormless people who i strongly suspect might be mentally r*tarded.

Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah's curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind. They will abide therein: Their penalty will not be lightened, nor will they receive respite" (2:161-162).

And those who followed would say: 'If only We had one more chance...' Thus will Allah show them (the fruits of) their deeds as (nothing but) regrets. Nor will there be a way for them out of the Fire" (2:167)

Empiree:
Is it relevant to this subject? Is it relevant to the essence of islam?

Yes it is very relevant. The bible spoke of the generations that led to the birth of Jesus. The bible also spoke about their religion, as in Jesus taken to the temple to listen to the rabbi taught at the synagogue.

What religion did mohammed's father and grandfather practiced before mohammed was born? Please I need an honest answer from muslims.

true2god:
Yes it is very relevant. The bible spoke of the generations that led to the birth of Jesus. The bible also spoke about their religion, as in Jesus taken to the temple to listen to the rabbi taught at the synagogue.

What religion did mohammed's father and grandfather practiced before mohammed was born? Please I need an honest answer from muslims.

The same as the religion of Abraham's father and grandfather, o foolish one. Now what?

No insults intended. Just telling the honest truth.

true2god:
Yes it is very relevant. The bible spoke of the generations that led to the birth of Jesus. The bible also spoke about their religion, as in Jesus taken to the temple to listen to the rabbi taught at the synagogue.

What religion did mohammed's father and grandfather practiced before mohammed was born? Please I need an honest answer from muslims.

My grandparents (from mother side) were kufar (Christians) but their daughter(my mom) is Muslim. Question stands; what prophet Muhammad(SAW)'s father and grandfather's religion(s) have to do with Muhammad(SA) and Islam?

This is Jesus' bloodline for those who care

It may come as a shocker to most, but the Bible claims that Jesus comes from incest. Since Christians claim Jesus is God this means God came from incest, all you have to do is go look at the family line of Jesus and see for yourself. What makes this more sad is that Christians do not even know this information, they claim that you are a liar if you bring it up, or that you are disgusting etc.

Here is the proof for all to see:

Genesis 38:

1 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah. 2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her. 3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er. 4 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan. 5 And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him. 6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar. 7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. 8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. 11 Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.

12 And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite. 13 And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep. 14 And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife. 15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. 16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me? 17 And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it? 18 And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him. 19 And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood. 20 And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman's hand: but he found her not. 21 Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place. 22 And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place. 23 And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.

24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. 25 When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff. 26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more. 27 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb. 28 And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first. 29 And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez. 30 And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.


The names of the two kids who resulted out of this sexual encounter between Judah and Tamar were Pharez and Zarah.

Here is Jesus’ lineage according to Matthew 1:

1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.


So as you can see, Jesus’ family line comes down from this sick act of incest between father and daughter in law, this means the God of the Christians comes from incest! Such blasphemy is disgusting and utterly degrading to the true God and Christians should be ashamed of themselves.


So as we clearly saw, Jesus cannot be God, if a Christian wants to continue believing Jesus is God, it is their own loss.




But just think about it, if Jesus is God, then according to the bible, he had sex with his momma.

You see, God takes a young gal "as a pedophile", bleeps his own mother, and then blames it on a 'Ghost'.
Now really, do we need to ask why there are so many dysfunctional families in a "Christian molded Society? But to the 'Believers' this has no indications of mythology or nonsense.


So he is an incestous man from an incestous bloodline.

EzioAuditore:



So he is an incestous man from an incestous bloodline.

served him right

Abuamam:


The same as the religion of Abraham's father and grandfather, o foolish one. Now what?

No insults intended. Just telling the honest truth.

Do you have any Islamic or historical source to back-up your claim, even if its an hadith?

EzioAuditore:
This is Jesus' bloodline for those who care

It may come as a shocker to most, but the Bible claims that Jesus comes from incest. Since Christians claim Jesus is God this means God came from incest, all you have to do is go look at the family line of Jesus and see for yourself. What makes this more sad is that Christians do not even know this information, they claim that you are a liar if you bring it up, or that you are disgusting etc.

Here is the proof for all to see:

Genesis 38:

1 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah. 2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her. 3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er. 4 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan. 5 And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him. 6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar. 7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. 8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. 11 Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.

12 And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite. 13 And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep. 14 And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife. 15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. 16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me? 17 And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it? 18 And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him. 19 And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood. 20 And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman's hand: but he found her not. 21 Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place. 22 And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place. 23 And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.

24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. 25 When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff. 26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more. 27 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb. 28 And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first. 29 And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez. 30 And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.


The names of the two kids who resulted out of this sexual encounter between Judah and Tamar were Pharez and Zarah.

Here is Jesus’ lineage according to Matthew 1:

1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.


So as you can see, Jesus’ family line comes down from this sick act of incest between father and daughter in law, this means the God of the Christians comes from incest! Such blasphemy is disgusting and utterly degrading to the true God and Christians should be ashamed of themselves.


So as we clearly saw, Jesus cannot be God, if a Christian wants to continue believing Jesus is God, it is their own loss.




But just think about it, if Jesus is God, then according to the bible, he had sex with his momma.

You see, God takes a young gal "as a pedophile", bleeps his own mother, and then blames it on a 'Ghost'.
Now really, do we need to ask why there are so many dysfunctional families in a "Christian molded Society? But to the 'Believers' this has no indications of mythology or nonsense.


So he is an incestous man from an incestous bloodline.

Your response indicate a man with a very dangerous and deadly outlook. You seem to have an evil and dangerous state of mind.

Thats my summary of your type. You have however refused to tell me the religion the father of mohammed practiced, are you ashamed of telling us?

truthman2012:
Muhammad violated the Qur’anic rule of not to have sex with women when in ihram

Here is the Qur’anic verse on the purity state in a mosque:

“Observe Hajj in the prescribed month; no sexual intercourse, misconduct and argument during the Hajj session

For Hajj are the months well known. If any one undertakes that duty therein, Let there be no obscenity, nor wickedness, nor wrangling in the Hajj. And whatever good ye do, (be sure) Allah knoweth it. And take a provision (With you) for the journey, but the best of provisions is right conduct. So fear Me, o ye that are wise.
Qur'an 2:197

“You can have sex with wives only at nights of fasting time; wives are garments; do not approach wife while in retreat (ihram) in a mosque...”

Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.
Qur'an 2:187

Even a hadith in Sunaan Abu Dawud confirms the stipulation of the Qur’an. This hadith says:

“A pilgrim must not marry and give someone in marriage in the sacred state (while wearing ihram)”
Nubaih b. Wahb, brother of Banu Abd al-Dar said: Umar b. Ubaid Allah sent someone to Aban b. Uthman b. Affan, asking him (to participate in the marriage ceremony). Aban in those days was the chief of pilgrims, and both were in the sacred state (wearing ihram). I want to give the daughter of Shaibah b. Jubair to Talhah b. Umar in marriage. I wish that you may attend it. Aban refused and said: I heard my father Uthman b. Affan narrating a tradition from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: A pilgrim may not marry and give someone in marriage in the sacred state (while wearing ihram).
Abu Dawud 10:1837

But Muhammad did not have much regard for the Qur’an or even to his own words when it came to marrying women and having sex with them. So, when he went to Mecca, to perform the Hajj, and a proposal of marriage was offered to him, he quickly accepted the offer and married the woman even though he was in sacred state wearing ihram.

Here is the hadith from Sunaan Abu Dawud:

Muhammad married Maimunah while he was in the sacred state wearing ihra:

Ibn Abbas said: The Prophet (may peace be upon him) married Maimunah while he was in the sacred state (wearing ihram).
Abu Dawud 10:1840

Waiting!

Empiree:
My grandparents (from mother side) were kufar (Christians) but their daughter(my mom) is Muslim. Question stands; what prophet's Muhammad's(SAW) father and grandfather's religion(s) have to do with Muhammad(SA) and Islam?

It will give us a clue of the foundation of Islam. You guys are not providing a direct answer. Are you guys afraid of opening up?

true2god:
Do you have any Islamic or historical source to back-up your claim, even if its an hadith?

Lol. Are you for real?

According to your bible, what did Abraham's father and grandfather worship?

Abuamam:


Lol. Are you for real?

According to your bible, what did Abraham's father and grandfather worship?

Well since all the muslims in the house has no answer, I will assist. The name of mohammed's father was Abdullah ibn Abdul-Muttalib. Abdullah is arabic means the slave of allahh. Since allahh is one of the gods worshipped by the pagan arab, mohammed's grandfather, Abdul-Muttalib (slave of muttalib, also one of the gods in arabia) names mohammed's father abdullah (one of the 360 idols in kabba).

There is no record that Abdullah ibn Abdul-Muttalib was a muslim, nor islam practiced in arabia prior mohammed's era,which indicated that the name allahh was not new to the pre-islamic arabs. Like in yoruba tradional religion where certain names are give to child in honour of their gods (names like OGUN-dele, IFA-muyiwa, IFA-bunmi, OGUN-dairo, etc), abdullah was similarly a name given to mohammed's father in honour of one of their pagan gods called allahh.

If Abdullah ibn Abdul-Muttalib was not a muslim, obviosly allahh was a pre-islamic deity and possibly one of the demons worshipped among the pagan arabs. The initial state of mohammed's revelations from allahh and the manner he received the 'revelations' showed a sign of a man being demon-possessed, perharps by the demon-allahh.

true2god:
Well since all the muslims in the house has no answer, I will assist. The name of mohammed's father was Abdullah ibn Abdul-Muttalib. Abdullah is arabic means the slave of allahh. Since allahh is one of the gods worshipped by the pagan arab, mohammed's grandfather, Abdul-Muttalib (slave of muttalib, also one of the gods in arabia) names mohammed's father abdullah (one of the 360 idols in kabba).

There is no record that Abdullah ibn Abdul-Muttalib was a muslim, nor islam practiced in arabia prior mohammed's era,which indicated that the name allahh was not new to the pre-islamic arabs. Like in yoruba tradional religion where certain names are give to child in honour of their gods (names like OGUN-dele, IFA-muyiwa, IFA-bunmi, OGUN-dairo, etc), abdullah was similarly a name given to mohammed's father in honour of one of their pagan gods called allahh.

If Abdullah ibn Abdul-Muttalib was not a muslim, obviosly allahh was a pre-islamic deity and possibly one of the demons worshipped among the pagan arabs. The initial state of mohammed's revelations from allahh and the manner he received the 'revelations' showed a sign of a man being demon-possessed, perharps by the demon-allahh.

Okaaay. Is that where you are going?

I answered you. The prophet Muhammad's (saw) father was a pagan and idol worshipper, just like the prophet Abraham's (as) father.

All your other assertions are false. Allah was worshipped as the Supreme deity, just as Olodumare (if I grasp the yoruba theology correctly, that would be the Creator and Supreme Diety), would be in your analogy of the Yoruba deities. He was the acknowledged Creator and Overlord.

"Say: Unto Whom (belongeth) the earth and whosoever is therein, if ye have knowledge? They will say: Unto Allah. Say: Will ye not then remember? Say: Who is Lord of the seven heavens, and Lord of the Tremendous Throne? They will say: Unto Allah (all that belongeth). Say: Will ye not then keep duty (unto Him)? Say: In Whose hand is the dominion over all things and He protecteth, while against Him there is no protection, if ye have knowledge? They will say: Unto Allah (all that belongeth). Say: How then are ye bewitched?"
(S. 23:84-89)

"And if thou wert to ask them: Who created the heavens and the earth, and constrained the sun and the moon (to their appointed work)? they would say: Allah. How then are they turned away? Allah maketh the provision wide for whom He will of His bondmen, and straiteneth it for whom (He will). Lo! Allah is Aware of all things. And if thou wert to ask them: Who causeth water to come down from the sky, and therewith reviveth the earth after its death? they verily would say: Allah. Say: Praise be to Allah! But most of them have no sense."
(S. 29:61-63)

"If thou shouldst ask them: Who created the heavens and the earth? they would answer: Allah. Say: Praise be to Allah! But most of them know not."
(S. 31:25)

The above verses show that the pagan Arabs readily accepted Allah as the Lord of all dominion and the Creator, but they saw the other 'gods' as lesser gods and intercessors with Allah... never as co-equals.

"But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say): "WE ONLY SERVE THEM IN ORDER THAT THEY MAY BRING US NEARER TO ALLAH" Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ."
(S39:3)

It is also telling that the xtians and jews also referred to their God as Allah... as narrated in many hadith about how the jews and xtians would ask questions, referring to God as 'Allah'. Would it not have been odd that xtians and jews worshipped the 'moon god' even before the prophet (saw) was born? Are xtians in Arab countries still worshipping the 'moon god' today? Because all Arabic bibles call God Allah.

It is in line with this, that the prophet's (saw) father was called Abdullah. It was also a grace and a blessing to the prophet (saw) that Allah ensured that his name not be associated with a father's name that implies shirk.

Abuamam:


Okaaay. Is that where you are going?

I answered you. The prophet Muhammad's (saw) father was a pagan and idol worshipper, just like the prophet Abraham's (as) father.

All your other assertions are false. Allah was worshipped as the Supreme deity, just as Olodumare (if I grasp the yoruba theology correctly, that would be the Creator and Supreme Diety), would be in your analogy of the Yoruba deities. He was the acknowledged Creator and Overlord.

"Say: Unto Whom (belongeth) the earth and whosoever is therein, if ye have knowledge? They will say: Unto Allah. Say: Will ye not then remember? Say: Who is Lord of the seven heavens, and Lord of the Tremendous Throne? They will say: Unto Allah (all that belongeth). Say: Will ye not then keep duty (unto Him)? Say: In Whose hand is the dominion over all things and He protecteth, while against Him there is no protection, if ye have knowledge? They will say: Unto Allah (all that belongeth). Say: How then are ye bewitched?"
(S. 23:84-89)

"And if thou wert to ask them: Who created the heavens and the earth, and constrained the sun and the moon (to their appointed work)? they would say: Allah. How then are they turned away? Allah maketh the provision wide for whom He will of His bondmen, and straiteneth it for whom (He will). Lo! Allah is Aware of all things. And if thou wert to ask them: Who causeth water to come down from the sky, and therewith reviveth the earth after its death? they verily would say: Allah. Say: Praise be to Allah! But most of them have no sense."
(S. 29:61-63)

"If thou shouldst ask them: Who created the heavens and the earth? they would answer: Allah. Say: Praise be to Allah! But most of them know not."
(S. 31:25)

The above verses show that the pagan Arabs readily accepted Allah as the Lord of all dominion and the Creator, but they saw the other 'gods' as lesser gods and intercessors with Allah... never as co-equals.

"But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say): "WE ONLY SERVE THEM IN ORDER THAT THEY MAY BRING US NEARER TO ALLAH" Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ."
(S39:3)

It is also telling that the xtians and jews also referred to their God as Allah... as narrated in many hadith about how the jews and xtians would ask questions, referring to God as 'Allah'. Would it not have been odd that xtians and jews worshipped the 'moon god' even before the prophet (saw) was born? Are xtians in Arab countries still worshipping the 'moon god' today? Because all Arabic bibles call God Allah.

It is in line with this, that the prophet's (saw) father was called Abdullah. It was also a grace and a blessing to the prophet (saw) that Allah ensured that his name not be associated with a father's name that implies shirk.

Good response, if mohammed's father was a pagan with name Abdullah (slave of allahh), don't you think Abdullah (being a pagan) was already familiar with allahh before mohammed was born?

true2god:
Good response, if mohammed's father was a pagan with name Abdullah (slave of allahh), don't you think Abdullah (being a pagan) was already familiar with allahh before mohammed was born?

Do you read the posts you comment on at all? Or do you have some sort of 'brain firewall' that blocks out any evidence that challenges your cherished beliefs?

Abuamam:


The same as the religion of Abraham's father and grandfather, o foolish one. Now what?

No insults intended. Just telling the honest truth.

Are you ignorant or lying? It is on every muslim's lips that Mutaleb and Abdullai, Muhmamad's fathers were idol worshipers.

Check here for stories of Mutaleb, Abdullai and Aminah: http://religionresearchinstitute.org/mohammad/occultism.htm

RoyPCain:
@truthman2012: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^your problem is bigger than aso rock or olumo rock or both or even bigger.
you lack understanding and since you do not think things through before impulsively writing what comes to your mind, you have taken it that when husband is with his wife sex must happen, even in time of menses. you said you are a grandfather. was there any day before you had children that your wife and you didnt sleep together, even though you spent time together and it may include sharing the bed at night?

muslim man does not sleep as in sex with his wife, specifically in time of menses. if pre-intimacy like kissing, body touching as in cozy touchy feeling kind is sex to you, you have a lot to learn still, about sex.

marrying in ihram for the prophet [sa] is not the same for a young stud of 23. when you thron lower tow your mud all over the places and no one cares, you will descend even lower to what you said about about God Almighty Allah not being God, but idol. even the pagan makkans ere better because they never reach the low state you just showed us you can reach.

How does this refute anything? Keep deceiving yourself.

Abuamam:


The same as the religion of Abraham's father and grandfather, o foolish one. Now what?

No insults intended. Just telling the honest truth.

the father of Abraham is not a pagan worshipper.

EzioAuditore:


The same old rubbish again! You're just lazy, but if you really want answers, dig through my posts, I'm not going to answer the same question for the umpteenth time, or give someone with the intelligence of a 3year old the time of day! You knob heads are just a broken record. Same old gibberish!

Well I warned you. We have been engaging these guys and we know how they behave . All You have to do is give them the answer to their question and leave readers to judge if it has been answered or not. If they derail the thread, give them a link of reply to their derailment. I am not saying you shouldn't point out their falsehood but bear it in mind that it will never stop. The more you give replies the more they recycle the questions. The funny thing is you are just dealing with two of them. More are coming

I'm beginning to see that truth is not strong enough to convince muslims. We need to go into delivance session for them to be delivered from islamic spirit, allahh.

Who is coming up first for deliverance?

udatso:

Well I warned you. We have been engaging these guys and we know how they behave . All You have to do is give them the answer to their question and leave readers to judge if it has been answered or not. If they derail the thread, give them a link of reply to their derailment. I am not saying you shouldn't point out their falsehood but bear it in mind that it will never stop. The more you give replies the more they recycle the questions. The funny thing is you are just dealing with two of them. More are coming

Yeah mate, its like they have a limited number of topics and they just keep circling around them like the mad men that they are. You mean there's more of these widdlers?

EzioAuditore:


Yeah mate, its like they have a limited number of topics and they just keep circling around them like the mad men that they are. You mean there's more of these widdlers?

Yeah. I would call them out now for you but I think that would be a very bad idea