parisbookaddict:


The only problem with your analogy is that I have evidence to back up everything I say abot mohammed and mohammedians/orthodox (mostly sunni) Muslims.
I have posted secreen shots showing u the language often encounted with Muslims in the religion section. I have tonnes of sahih hadiths and quran passages to back up the fact the mohammed was a paedophile, sex addict, slave trader and rapist of sex slaves, a man who had sex with his own adopted sons wife, a man who contradicted himself then called it abrogations, a jihadist mass murder, a bigot and possibly bipolar.

Your standards for prophethood in Islam is so low.

How well do u know mohammed, pls answer the following questions

Did Mohammed sleep with a child, 9 year old
Aisha?YES/NO
Did he kill people?YES/NO
Did Mohammed command his followers to fight people based on their beliefs?YES/NO
Did he sleep with slaves?YES/NO
Did he command his followers to sleep with captives their right hand possess?YES/NO
Did Mohammed marry more wives than Islamic Allah permits Muslims?YES/NO
Did he perform any miracles?YES/NO
Did he contradict himself?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he permit the murder of his critics?YES/NO
Did herapewomen during after war, which he
called war booty?{I.e Slave-girls as sexual property}YES/NO
Did he permit Muslims to beat their wives? {Even if but lightly}YES/NO
Did he ask people to drink camel piss for good health?YES, HEALTHY/NO, HE DIDN'T
Did Mohammed say apostates should be killed?YES & I CONCUR / YES, BUT I DON'T CONCUR / NO, HE COULDN'T HAVE!

You believe a fraud who even says he can't guide anyone.
Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no
power to harm you, nor to guide
you.” (Khalifa)
“It is not in my power to cause you
harm, or to bring you to the Right
Path.” (Hilali-Khan)

Do you really understand the gravity of
Muhammad’s statement when he said, “I possess no power to guide you” or “to
bring you to the Right Path”?

Is it not a
prophet’s duty to guide the congregation of God to the “Right Path”? Can you now depend on this man to guide you to salvation? Would it be wise for you to do so?

parisbookaddict:


Let's see if they will allow him leave islam when the time comes
Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: ... and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."Qur'an 3:90-91

parisbookaddict:


The passages in the Koran dealing with apostasy are the chapter of Women, verse 90; the chapter of the Table, verse 59; and the chapter of the Bee, verse 108, viz:

midolian:
Welcome to islam, the religion of peace..

I am sure after Buhari's 8yrs in office, [size=35pt]many others will consider Islam.[/size] By then, the air would have been cleared of ethnic and religious bigotism, terrorism, nepotism, unemployment and kwarruption. By then, they ld have known Islam to be a religion of peace and not a violent religion as pple with ulterior motives have made many to believe..

God bless Buhari!
God bless Chukwuma Austin dike
God bless the readers that won't quote me to blast me..
God bless Nigeria!!!

Cc: Lalasticlal.a, come and do what you do well..May ya name be on God's Front page (of those that will dwell in heaven). Move this thing to the FP to claim ya prayer.

parisbookaddict:
Let's see if they will allow him leave islam when the time comes

Islamic texts says behead apostates eg;


Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."Qur'an 3:90-91





The word apostate in Arabic is murtaddand one who apostatizes is called man artadd 'an dinihi, i.e. "Who turns his back on religion."

Two words are used for apostasy in Moslem law: irtidadand ridda. The latter term relates to apostasy from Islam into unbelief, kufr; the former, from Islam to some other religion, for example, Christianity.

The passages in the Koran dealing with apostasy are the chapter of Women, verse 90; the chapter of the Table, verse 59; and the chapter of the Bee, verse 108, viz:
"Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too fight in God's way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them wheresoever ye and them, and take from them neither patron nor help" (IV. 90, 91). "O ye who believe! Whoso is turned away from his religion-God will bring (instead) a people whom He loves and who love Him, lowly to. believers, lofty to unbelievers, strenuous in the way of God, fearing not the blame of him who blames" (V.59).

It will be sufficient to quote what the standard commentary of Baidhawi says on the first passage: "Whosoever turns back from his belief (irtada), openly or secretly, take him and kill him wheresoever ye find him, like any other infidel.

This agrees with traditional orthodox agreement on the
topic..

Leave islam and u are beheaded.

abbey621:



How silly can one person be? The rubbish you've posted above shows how little you know about Islam or Muslims! In your ignorance, you only see what you want to see and leave out all other relevant information. I know what your plans are, you are trying to turn this into a debate between Christianity and Islam, buddy that ain't gon happen! Go and read about other prophets that have come and gone, most of them had questionable lifestyles that wouldn't meet the approval of today's societies but none of them claimed to be God and Muslims certainly do not worship the Prophet! God in his infinite mercy can choose anyone to guide his people, even someone that does not qualify to be a religious leader. The Prophet never claimed to be a perfect being, he was a warrior, a leader, someone respected. He was a sinner just like you and me but it was through him that God decided to reveal the Quran. So my friend, you can continue bringing up questionable characteristics of the prophet that you do not agree with or you can enlighten yourself and actually read more about his accomplishments! Keep in mind, he is not Allah, he never claimed to be, only Allah can truly guide us towards the right path!

parisbookaddict:



So you agree that mohammed lived a questionable lifestyle. Its not often I get Muslims to admit this.

Remind me! Doesn't your unholy quran say that mohammed is the perfect example for all mankind.

So ur Islamic allah picks a very flawed human w[b]ho raped sex slaves, beheaded folks, waged wars, had sex with a child, slept with his son's wife, murdered people, killed his critics including a nursing mother, hand maids and a 100 year old man[/b], so ur "perfect" Islamic example did all this and more and yet ur Islamic allah says he is the perfect example for all mankind.

Ur Islamic god is kinda evil isn't he ?

parisbookaddict:


...a very flawed human who raped sex slaves...

Ur Islamic god is kinda evil isn't he ?

abbey621:


If Jesus can forgive a prostitute, David can take another man's wife, Abraham have more than one wife and some disciples with questionable characters surely you believe God can use anyone to fulfill his missions. Let me ask you an honest question, what religion do you practice? It surely can't be Christianity! Real Christians are way more intelligent than this, for the rubbish you posted above how many people did Abraham kill? Moses? Joshua? Since you have great knowledge of the prophets surely you can answer such simple questions.....Ignoramus! Many of the prophets were very violent, only few were saints, your cheap attempt to paint Islam in a bad light isn't working and it will only end up to backfire on your pathetic life!

abbey621:


If Jesus can forgive a prostitute, David can take another man's wife,

Abraham have more than one wife

parisbookaddict:



More insults from a frustrated muslim. By the way islam paints itself in bad light sufficiently enough.

Apparently u missed my point....

Mohammed says in his quran that he is the perfect example for all mankind. . .. yet he was very sinful a hedonist and sex addict amongst other vices..


U still havent answered the questions i asked about mohammed..are u scared to attempt them..

Christ is the perfect example for all mankind...he was sinless even you quran acknowledges his uniqueness. ..

- Quran mentions in sura 19 that Jesus was born by immaculate conception . That implies that Prophet Mowas conceived from lustful sex like a low life animal.

- , Quran designated one whole sura to the mother of Jesus (Mary,sura 19). Poor Mo’s mother Amina was noteven mentioned once, leave alone naming a sura after her.

- Quran says Jesus was a born a genius who could talk as a new born (5.110) . It also says that Mo was born as a mòron who could never learn to read or write all his life (7.157,7.158).

Quran says Jesus could make a clay bird and give life to it (5.110). That means he was capable of creating his own food. On the other hand Allah had to make stealing halal for Mo because Mo was not capable of earning his own bread (8.1,8.41) .

Quran says Jesus could give life to dead people (5.110) . On the other hand Mo could only kill live people dead (3.152,8.17,8.67,33.26-27)..
(Mo holds the world record of beheading 900 men of Quraiza in a single day)

- Quran says Jesus could give sight to the blind (5.110). Mo took the sight away from of the seeing . (He had eyes of the Ukul men gouged because they had stolen Mo’s stolen camels ).

- Quran says Allah gave Jesus capability of curing incurable diseases like leprosy (5.110). Allah gave no such power to Mo (20.133). His own most beloved sonIbrahim ( from his sex slave Maria) died in front of him, although Mo prayed and begged Allah for his health for several nights.

- Allah made Jesus a saint who never lusted women . Allah made Mo a Satan who killed innocent men and enslaved their wives and daughters and raped them 33.50).

Allah made Jesus a very loving man who loved children .Allah made Mo a pedophile who made love to children (65.4).

- Quran says Jesus did not die , he was raised to heaven by Allah . Allah did no such favors for Mo. He was buried in ground to rot after he died a very painful death, poisoned by his enemies..

shawl:


Have you got proof for that?

parisbookaddict:


Have u read the story.. do you know how remorseful he was. .A prophet was even sent to warn him of his evil deed... Now show me were mohammed was remorseful for all his adultery. .sleeping with 11 women when he claimed allah says marry only 4 including his numerous sex slaves. .and sex with a child



He produced ishmael with the servant girl and he was rebuked for that..have u ever read the narrative. . today the offspring of the affair are the arabs allegedly who foe 1400 years have waged jihad...

Sin is not accommodated or condoned or overlooked in Judaism or Christianity as it is in islam

abbey621:


Listen up confused fellow, no one is comparing the prophet to Jesus, you are the one doing that yourself. Islam sees the prophet as a messenger of Allah just like Moses, Abraham and others. Now whether you agree that he is a messenger of God or not is none of my concern, you have your faith and I have mine, your salvation will not lead to mine and vice versa. troublemakers like yourselves love to take parts out of the Quran that you can twist to favor your argument, the same methods extremists use all over the world to fulfill their agenda. Now let me have a little fun, are you saying Jesus was the only relevant prophet in the Bible? What about Abraham, Moses, Joshua? Did you know that the same accusations you've leveled against the Islamic prophet can also be put against Abraham and Moses? They also killed people and also owned slaves, so by your reasoning those prophets are satanic? You see how ridiculous your statements are?

parisbookaddict:


U keep on running away from my questions. .
Ok mr muslim do u want a comparison..
List the "crimes" with bible verses of the prophets u mentioned and i will do the same for mohammed using the quran and sahih hadiths.. lets see if mohammed can be compared to these men...

i still wonder why u dont what a comparison between jesus and ur prophet.. why run to ancient prophets who never claimed to be messiahs.

Apparently u think u are engaged in a conversation with a nonmuslim who haven't read the quran and hadiths. I have read them and i have verses to backup what i say.

parisbookaddict:

The muslim didnt deny it...

parisbookaddict:

Its in the quran and hadiths and i have read them...i can get u the verses...

parisbookaddict:

Every time i make topics showing these things in the religion section they get deleted

You don't deserve these likes

valmunich:
Judging from the basis of his conversion...





I present to you guys the biggest fool of the century.

marieolae:
You don't deserve these likes

shawl:


Well, I am a muslim and I don't know about that in all my learning.

You have been quoting verses all along, albeit skewed, and I have not seen anyone of them get deleted. I hope the mods will realize that the conversation has progressed in a manner to set the records straight, so they wont delete them this time.

parisbookaddict:

If they are skewed pls "unskew" them.

parisbookaddict:

...a very flawed human who raped sex slaves...

parisbookaddict:

..a slave can not give consent hence he raped them..

parisbookaddict:

Sahih Muslim 8:29:
“IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”

Sahih Muslim 8:3432:
“Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (verse 4:24)" (i.e., they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).”

Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

parisbookaddict:

...used valuable space to repeat the same point four times...

parisbookaddict:

Do u want more information

shawl:


Of course I had proven that to you already that your quotations were skewed and I laid plain the facts to you and you are yet to answer the questions that I asked you.

For example, I proved to you that the verses you claimed were the verses for apostasy had quotation mix ups that could confuse the reader, viz: They either were not the only verses for apostasy or at least one quotation did not map to the verse number and at least one verse did not talk about apostasy. Then I listed you more relevant verses which effectively disproved your rhetoric about what you want people to conceive about Islam concerning apostasy. You could not disprove that. So admit your quotations were skewed.

Then I moved on to the next point in which I requested you to back your below claim with evidence:


Now you are replying with a discursive writing. But in order to stay on point I shall only respond to the subject matter quoted. By the grace of Allah, I have the time to respond to every single matter that you raise but I have to take them one after another in order to keep it informative. Part of my aim is to endear to the discerning reader.



So there is no source to it after all. This is a mere insinuation from you. I thought that you'd overwhelm me with quotes after quotes where he (Allah forbids) is reported to have done such to his slaves. After all you claimed to have "...tonnes of sahih hadiths and quran passages to back up the fact that...rapist of sex slaves".

Now here is the proof of how the prophet (saw) actually treated his slaves and led by example for others:

One:
He (saw) taught us from the Holy Qur'an 4, the commandment of Allah Almighty:

Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives, orphans, the needy, ... and those whom your right hands possess (your slaves). Indeed, Allah does not like those who are self-conceited and boastful. 36

Two:
He (saw) himself advised:

Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work in any case, I advise you to help them.

Source: Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 38–40; Abu Dawud, Adab, 124

Three:
Not one of you should [ when introducing someone ] say ‘This is my slave’ , ‘This is my concubine’. He should call them ‘my daughter’ or ‘my son’ or ‘my brother’.

Source: Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 2 ,4

Four:
The Prophet, had stipulated in his "last pilgrimage" speech:

"And your slaves ! see that you feed them such food as you eat yourselves and dress them what you yourself wear. And if they commit a “mistake which you are not inclined to forgive then sell them, for they are the servants of Allah and are not to be tormented! "

For this reason ‘Umar, his companion, and his servant took it in turns to ride on the camel from Madina to Jerusalem on their journey to take control of Masjid al-Aqsa. I believe it is this famous story that was adapted to a similar yoruba folklore.

And you'd accuse him of brutalizing his slaves by raping them without any proof? Fear God my sister. I am not saying this to cower you down but to be rather factual in your criticisms. This is what your hand is sending forth and that you shall surely meet with it before Allah is my belief. The Holy Qur'an 78:40 says:

Indeed, We have warned you of a near punishment on the Day when a man will observe what his hands have put forth...

Moving on...



FACT:
What can be apparently established from the above quoted verses is the permissibility of sex with ones slaves in Islam. You will never be able to establish that slaves were compelled to sex by their owners from the quoted. Compulsion into sex is a bad act and both the Holy Qur'an and the prophet (saw) have already forbidden that one acts in a bad manner toward his slave.

Come to think of it, the first quotation in this set seems to strike a resemblance with what you have in the bible (judging that you are a christian from your previous posts)

Deut. 21:10-14
When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

Where one has to remain for a period of at least 3 to 5 menstrual circles if she is not pregnant before offering the option of sex to her and which can even stretch to beyond 9 months if she is pregnant, the other only needs to wait one month irrespective of if she is from a previous relationship.

Anyway, would you say, by virtue of the above bible quotation that the bible advise to rape your slaves? Or do you not realize, ab initio, that this is a verse from the bible permitting sexual intercourse between slave owner and slave?


I shall simply refer you to verses in the bible that refer to treatment of slaves and how they might even be brutalized even from the mouth of the good master according to the bible:
Leviticus 25:44-46
Exodus 21:2-6
Exodus 21:7-11
Exodus 21:20-21
Ephesians 6:5
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Luke 12:47-48
The brutality found in these bible verses are out rightly prohibited in Islam.

The Prophet (saw) said:
If your slaves commit a “mistake which you are not inclined to forgive then sell them, for they are the servants of Allah and are not to be tormented! "
The good master said:
If a man beats his male or female slave (to stupor) and the slave dies after a couple of days, then the man is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property anyway, according to the bible, Exodus 21:20-21.


Bring them on but I shall only respond on the point at hand before taking you on on others.

waternogatenemy:
A story for the gods... Do not believe everything you read.

Buhari trying to islamise Nigeria since 1985. Blood sucking Islamist Terrorist!

smartesboys:

Amazing! It just happened, wether you like it or not, It's Time for change of everything.
Buhari is gonna islamise your chief, pastor and even your parents.

parisbookaddict:

Another difference is that you must marry your "slave" and she becomes your wife before u sleep with her...

parisbookaddict:

Now the new testament which I practise as a Christian
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond(slave) nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 12:13:
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond(slave) or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."
Colossians 3:11:
"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond(slave) nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."

parisbookaddict:

the bible dose not support slavery,infact God condemn it;

parisbookaddict:

"He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." ( Exodus 21:16)

parisbookaddict:

"If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished." ( Exodus 21:20)
Did u read this, ... Please quote the verse.

vedd:

What is so peaceful about Islam that will make more of it lead to the end of terrorism?
Or why am I finding it difficult to get your sarcasm?

Makapounse:
gang of mutilation ? What do u mean ?