RobinHez:

ermmm...i had this kind of pulley in mind....

it doesnt have to be wheeled, it just needs enough man power to drag the stones up

The logistics of construction at the Giza site are staggering when you think that the ancient Egyptians had no pulleys, no wheels, and no iron tools. Yet, the dimensions of the pyramid are extremely accurate and the site was leveled within a fraction of an inch over the entire 13.1-acre base. This is comparable to the accuracy possible with modern construction methods and laser leveling. That's astounding. With their 'rudimentary tools,' the pyramid builders of ancient Egypt were about as accurate as we are today with 20th-century technology.

Teempakguy:
Was there metal at that period? Check if that was the bronze or iron age.
It takes iron to accomplish what you are suggesting.

Teempakguy:
the ropes slide?

Teempakguy:
fun ke?
It was a job for the slaves nah. Nobody cared about how "fun" it was. Only the end product. Which we now appreciate today.

johnydon22:
Hello guys can we discuss the mechanism we think was likely used to build the great pyramids.

Cc. Teempakguys help invite others, you know their monikers more than i do

johnydon22:


The workers quarters at the construction site were stone build edifices and their burial chambers too were remarkable, archeological evidences suggest the workers were skilled craft men (egyptians to be precise) and not slaves. . . And seeing archeological findings doesn't support the notion of large scaled slavery ever occurred in egypt. . . . . Remember we are dealing with the pharaoh here, more like a god figure.

XploraBen:

In my hypothetical view:the area was laid out taking into account the square base of the pyramid,then the bricks were placed to conform to the pattern.At each layer,the bricks were reduced and made to align to that pyramidal pattern with which it was started.Now as the pyramid advance in height,an immense machine/pulley was used to transport the brick to the builders...because I don't think manual labour can be used all through.

I read it took them more than 10years to complete,substantiating the building process as arduously complicated!

Oh men it's not easy...lol

Teempakguy:
ah, but there were hierarchies. The skilled designers, the taskmasters, and the slaves that worked under them. Otherwise, it would be extremely difficult to achieve such an achievement as the pyramid in such a short time.

johnydon22:


It was not a short time bro, it took thousands of skilled workers 10-20years to finish the pyramid and other minor structures that surrounds it

Teempakguy:
20 years is a short time nah.
Like you said, thousands of workers. Given the kind of civilization ancient Egypt had, less than 30% of those were skilled. Now, they could have recruited labour by either religious propaganda or external slavery. Which do you think?

johnydon22:

Lol. . . i definitely doubt 20years is a short time to build a pyramid with thousands of workers at work on the site. . . Slaves are likely to be used at the stone quarry and rode building sites (the great pyramids at gizza had a polished road running to it), Animal/slave labour may have been required for transporting the block of stones and maybe pulling up these stones too. . .

The accurate measurement of the pyramid require skilled masons with high knowledge on geometry... For the actual pyramid construction, it calls for great skill in masonry. . . And i don't think 20years is a small amount of time for thousands of these skilled craft men to finish the pyramid

Teempakguy:
I can come to a compromise by saying it is a mixture of skilled and unskilled labour.

johnydon22:


Yeap, skilled labour for the pyramid itself and unskilled labour for the hard quarrying, carrying, lifting jobs. . .The pyramids are works of remarkable architectural and masonry masterpiece

Teempakguy:
next, we determine, without wheels, how were materials transported? Both to and for and up and down?

I have a theory that they were dragged. But that does not account for how they lifted it. Robin hez as suggested a scaffolding system and a stiff pulley system. What are your thoughts on this?

RobinHez:

another hypothesis is the use of mechanical cranes as seen in the gif attached (use a compatible browser or save in the gif format to view)

Teempakguy:
I see it. . . . however, the stones used to build the pyramids are quite bigger than your crane can support, I think. The weight of the stones would snap the lever. Since it was probably made of wood. Below is a close up of the pyramid. See how the stones look like in comparison to humans. They are quite massive. And multiply that by the density of the material used in the stones, you have a very heavy substance that I don't think can be carried with wooden levers.

Johnydon22, what do you say here?

Perhaps they employed the use of an inclined plane? A metal inclined plane?

In fact, I cannot think of any material available to them with which they could have built any ropes strong enough to suspend those stones.

Teempakguy:
I see it. . . . however, the stones used to build the pyramids are quite bigger than your crane can support, I think. The weight of the stones would snap the lever. Since it was probably made of wood. Below is a close up of the pyramid. See how the stones look like in comparison to humans. They are quite massive. And multiply that by the density of the material used in the stones, you have a very heavy substance that I don't think can be carried with wooden levers.

Johny don22, what do you say here?

Perhaps they employed the use of an inclined plane? A metal inclined plane?

In fact, I cannot think of any material available to them with which they could have built any ropes strong enough to suspend those stones.

johnydon22:


I think the crane hypothesis is very plausible, don't judge with the size of the crane depicted on the picture, it would be much larger in the real sense.

Don't forget woods were also used to build war catapults that hauls stones thrice that size many meters away. . .

Teempakguy:
next, we determine, without wheels, how were materials transported? Both to and for and up and down?

I have a theory that they were dragged. But that does not account for how they lifted it. Robinhez as suggested a scaffolding system and a stiff pulley system. What are your thoughts on this?

RobinHez:

the weight of the large stone is balanced by the wooden crate filled with stones making it possible for a person pull the rope

One of the first tasks of the pyramid builders who constructed the three pyramids shown above, was to build a track on which they could drag the large blocks from the quarry in the Arabian Hills to the River Nile where they were ferried up to the construction site. The work went on in three monthly shifts with one hundred thousand men in a single shift. It took ten years to build the track It took the same number of men twenty years to complete the Cheops pyramid. Originally the pyramids were smooth on the outside but through the thousands of years since construction this has disappeared revealing the tiers or steps underneath. Each tier is about a metre in height. The pyramids we built by kings as tombs or memorials of themselves and it is thought that they were started at the beginning of each reign and that the height corresponded with the length of each reign. The pyramid of Cheops was originally 146 metres high and the technology for lifting the blocks into position was well designed.

Teempakguy:
and what happens when the cargo is offloaded?
Okay, I goes they would then have to offload the stones again. Sounds tiring.

johnydon22:


Dragging was replaced by the wheel method, so i think that dragging system was likely to have been used to transport the materials, maybe they employed a way of placing the stones on flat sheets that have smoothened surfaces and therefore has less friction with the ground, smoother, faster that an ordinary being dragged like that on the ground

For lifting, i go with RnbinHez hypothesis of manually pulled pulleys and the crane system also is a plausible option too

johnydon22:


Dragging was replaced by the wheel method, so i think that dragging system was likely to have been used to transport the materials, maybe they employed a way of placing the stones on flat sheets that have smoothened surfaces and therefore has less friction with the ground, smoother, faster that an ordinary being dragged like that on the ground

For lifting, i go with RnbinHez hypothesis of manually pulled pulleys and the crane system also is a plausible option too

RobinHez:
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RobinHez:
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Teempakguy:
quite expensive. Don't you think?