lexiconkabir:
@plainbibletruth let me ask you a question, do you understand arabic? i guess not, how then did you get to know i peddled in words! i dont know why you guys enjoys giving false claims! about muhammad, tell me what you think about isiah 29:11-12, who are they refering to? i really gtg, tell me what you think but dont spam me, i will see your answers when i'm back, thank you!

plainbibletruth:
tartar9, Demmzy15, Rilwayne001, DravenCreighton, lexiconkabir, 

It's interesting that NONE of you Muslim guys is ever able to clearly explain the Quran's contradictions and inconsistencies WITHOUT bringing in your so-called contradictions in the Bible. This way you end up muddling things up making arguments to go to and fro thereby diverting attention from the real bone of contention - the Quran's glaring incongruity. 

The "out-of-context" argument is actually a weak argument and a defeatist position for Muslims. 
Does the Quran have any context?
Is any story complete in any one sura? Can Muslims fully understand many, if not all, of the stories in the Quran without reference to the Bible or perhaps any of the other books of Jewish or Arabian fables from which it derived its materials?
Is it not Muslim translators of the Quran who inserted lots of phrases and clauses in bracket in the text because without them not much sense can be made from such verses? 

The fact that Muslims have not been able to stick to the Quran (a book that says it makes things so clear and simple) to explain it shows clearly that they themselves have difficulty with the book. 

lexiconkabir:
@bakrabas these claims have been refuted, please follow up the thread from the beginnig up to this frame. Thank you!

lexiconkabir:
@scholar8200 you are still saying the same thing in another form, you are yet to clearify contradiction 3, i read jer 31 as you opined, but it doesnt explain contradiction 3.

Scholar8200:

Per contradiction 3, Jesus said the law will not go unfulfilled (not the same thing as break) GOD gave the law as the terms of the Covenant and even though man failed, since God had said none of His Words will fall to the ground (Isaiah 55:11),someone had to fulfil it and that was Christ! Point was the Word in the Old covenant had to be fulfilled (not laid aside) if a New Covenant would be established.

lexiconkabir:
sorry to digress, are you saying God and Jesus are 2 different people? pls answer with yes/no

Scholar8200:
point of correction, they are not 'people'. Jesus is One with the Father (God) and He is also The Son of God.

lexiconkabir:
please stop it right here, you are already contradicting yourself. since the trinity is the back bone of christianity shouldnt it be easy to explain?why i'm i having a hard time to understand it, with all you are saying, it still tells me what i know before that christ, God and spirit are THREE different being not ONE. well let me pretend to agree with your lectures, dont quote me again pls(no offences meant), thank you sire!

Scholar8200:
The Gospel is the backbone of Christianity! If that is received, we can move on to the higher mysteries.
I had to quote you because your use of the word 'since' suggests that was something we discussed before which is not true!

Demmzy15:

I've warned you times without number, stop playing victim. Your brother Jagoon aka jargons the jaguar called his own family a rodent and the brother replied.

Rilwayne001:

YOU BLIND FOOL!

Demmzy15:

I've warned you times without number, stop playing victim. Your brother Jagoon aka jargons the jaguar called his own family a rodent and the brother replied.

lexiconkabir:
@parisbookaddict because of hate, you are blinded to see that nothing is wrong with those verses, why do you keep telling lies? Its so sick! Come to think of it, i know you are getting all these lies from the sites of any of these men, David wood, Ali sina or walid toeshibat. That woman was his wife not his slave! and his wife is lawful to him isnt it?back to these men:Walid toeshibat was just proved by the cnn to be a liar, he claimed to have been a suicide bomber of a terrorist group then received christ and bla bla bla, thank God ccn exposed him! just like the way i'm exposing the lies you are trying to peddle in. same thing happened to the other liars.

parisbookaddict:

Its not hate,
its called "not being brianwashed to think a man who raped slaves and war captives and a little 9 year old girl is a prophet."


By the way, the name u keep failing to spell is walid sheobat, and he is more into comparing bible prophecies about the evils of islam/mohammed than quoting islamic texts. So please show me where I have ever quoted him.


You claimed u see nothing wrong with those evil islamic verses, that's ur cup of tea.. I have exposed it and people are learning about islam while u can remain brainwashed and in denial.

U asked for verses showing mohammed having sex with slaves or approving such behavoiur and I brought it.
Au revoir, I have nothing else to say to u

parisbookaddict:




Rilwayne.001 mohammed will be proud of your insults to non muslims. His unholy book has taught u well

Both of them are very wrong to call any human a rodent but only your islamic allah and mohammed approves of such language. The quran is the only religious text I know of that says a god turned humans to animals as punishment. Only the qUran calls humans cattle, apes, monkeys for ignoring mohammeds call to worship his moon god.

parisbookaddict:




[s]Rilwayne001 mohammed will be proud of your insults to non muslims. His unholy book has taught u well

Both of them are very wrong to call any human a rodent but only your islamic allah and mohammed approves of such language. The quran is the only religious text I know of that says a god turned humans to animals as punishment. Only the qUran calls humans cattle, apes, monkeys for ignoring mohammeds call to worship his moon god.[/s]

bashbabe2:



I guess this is ifeann.wonder why you have to disguise and use another moniker .
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Are you obsess or do you fantasize about being raped when you were a child because I don't know where you get this idea from.[/size]
May God Almighty deliver you. If not the rubbish and baseless points you raise on most of the thread is getting boring. OUR Prophet(pbuh)reputation is intact and if you use the remaining second of your life to type this same blasphemous comments it can never change that.

parisbookaddict:


Ewwww... Ur mind is filthy.

How could u say such a thing.

anyway, mr/miss Muslim all the information is gotten from your quran and sahih hadiths.

Apparently u don't know much about your prophet..

Please Answer these questions and attempt dewah if u are knowledge enough.

Did Mohammed sleep with a child, 9 year old
Aisha?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

Did he kill people eg meccans, pagans, Jews etc?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

Did Mohammed command his followers to fight people based on their beliefs?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

Did he sleep with and have sex slaves?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

Did he command his followers to sleep with captives their right hand possess?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

Did Mohammed marry more wives than Islamic Allah permits Muslims?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

Did the quran claim that no miracle will be performed by mohammed?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

Did mohammed contradict himself or abrogate quran passages because they where contradictory to earlier revelations?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

Did he permit the murder of his critics?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

Did he rape women during after war, which he
called war booty?{I.e Slave-girls as sexual property}YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

Did he permit Muslims to beat their wives? {Even if but lightly}YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

Did he ask people to drink camel piss and milk for good health?YES, HEALTHY/NO, HE DIDN'T/I DON'T KNOW

Did Mohammed say apostates should be killed?YES & I CONCUR / YES, BUT I DON'T CONCUR / NO, HE COULDN'T HAVE!

bashbabe2:


When I'm not foolish like you. Find someone who has time to go back and forth with you. I'm only hear to SMH at your ignorance.will keep praying for you

Demmzy15:

Common shurrup jor, talk to your brethren Jagoon aka jargons the jaguar. Hypocrite!!!

parisbookaddict:


Spoken like the average muslim but u forgot to add the death threats.

I wonder how long before u stumble in the quran verses telling u to wage jihad

Demmzy15:

Is it today you know me? I can't threaten you with anything. I can only pray you're guided before it's too late

parisbookaddict:


[s]I don't know u. I chat with a lot of muslims and we may have chatted a few times but u are one of the ignorant muslims that fail to make any reasonable attempt to defend islam except by insults and rAnting .

.
By the way, who are u praying for and to?? ur god can't even
recognised people without arabic names plus

don't forget that moHARMmaD discourages
prayers for non muslims

"it is NOT fitting for the prophet and those who
believe that they should pray for forgiveness for
pagans, even though they be kin(family)...", sura 9
ayah 113.

Tabari IX:69
"He who believes in Allah and His
Messenger has protected his life and possessions
from us.
As for those who disbelieve, we will fight them
forever in
the Cause of Allah. Killing them is a small matter
to us."
Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger
of Allah. And those with him are hard
(ruthless) against the disbelievers and
merciful among themselves"[/s]

lexiconkabir:
@plainbibletruth first, let me ask you. can you please show me where i changed the meaning?

but if you know the historical background of that statement only then it will make sense, the same thing applies to those verses, when the muslims where oppressed by the makkans and later resulted into fighting them.

that in order for you to show that your 'translation' is the right one you need to prove that this portion of the Quran was given after Mohammed was fought by the Meccans and Meccans alone and also that it does not include any other people? And by so doing it must be that you had 'special revelation' from Allah to "fill-in-the-blanks" that were not there in the Quran?

How "Fight those who do not believe in Allah" comes to mean "fight Meccans who oppress (or fight) you" is simply AMAZING!

Did mohammed contradict himself or abrogate
quran
because they where contradictory
to earlier revelations?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW

dmz1:
@lexiconkabir, I am learning new things from your explanations please address this question: