Jeromejnr:


Nope! Its just as I said it.

It is your choice to either believe the words of faulty men or the authoritative word of God.

frosbel2:


not really, there are still a large number of christians who hold onto this myth of 6000 years , for example ;

http://creation.com/6000-years

https://answersingenesis.org/theory-of-evolution/millions-of-years/why-shouldnt-christians-accept-millions-of-years/

In christiandom there's been a huge debate going on for over 200 years, between the gap theorists vs creationists.

OLAADEGBU:


It is your choice to either believe the words of faulty men or the authoritative word of God.

In case you didn't know, Gen 1:1 is different from verse 3.

There are even talks of what transpired during that time In the book of Ezekiel.

OLAADEGBU:


It is your choice to either believe the words of faulty men or the authoritative word of God.

Where you there when God was writing the bible or do you just believe in the words of guys who claim they wrote on God's behalf? Both of you are believing in the words of men. Fact.

frosbel2:


unknowingly entrenched in myth and fables, all because you refuse to use your brain , smh.

So you have now joined the crew that use their brains?

OLAADEGBU:


You can only debate with me on this topic when you have repented of your racism that you learnt from your evolutionist masters.

'In the beginning.....Dirt'

Jeromejnr:


In case you didn't know, Gen 1:1 is different from verse 3.

There are even talks of what transpired during that time In the book of Ezekiel.

Don't be deceived. God's word has not changed.

dalaman:


Where you there when God was writing the bible or do you just believe in the words of guys who claim they wrote on God's behalf? Both of you are believing in the words of men. Fact.

In other words we both have faith, either in the words of men or in the God breathed word penned down by men.

OLAADEGBU:

Where did you get that from, the Bible?

Get what?

OLAADEGBU:


Don't be deceived. God's word has not changed.

Yes it has not changed that is why the Truth is the Truth.

starlingslimnet:


Get what?

You have to make up your mind as to whether you believe the Word of God or the words of fallible men because they are not saying the same thing.

Jeromejnr:


Yes it has not changed that is why the Truth is the Truth.

We can deduce from God's Word that the earth is about 6000 years old and that is the truth.

OLAADEGBU:


We can deduce from God's Word that the earth is about 6000 years old and that is the truth.

Please can you deduce it for us. Because it is against scriptures.

We are waiting.

OLAADEGBU:


In other words we both have faith, either in the words of men or in the God breathed word penned down by men.

Both are words of men. The first are words of men who studied researched and came to a conclusion and the second are words of men who just sat down wrote myths and assigned it to some God idea they imagined.

OLAADEGBU:


As you are advancing in age you are equally descending into the pit. I hope atheist evolutionists welcome you into there fold.

This type of vindictive, burn-them-with-fire, soulless and unconpassionate "Christianity" is why atheism is growing today.

I also happen to think that the bible actually supports an older earth. I'm not sure why that belief is a prerequisite for going to hell.

Jeromejnr:


Please can you deduce it for us. Because it is against scriptures.

We are waiting.

The belief in billions of years for the age of the earth does not come from Scriptures, it comes from the faulty methods that atheist evolutionists use in dating the earth. If you superimpose these ideas into God's Word you are adding a concept from outside of the Scriptures and thereby put man's faulty ideas in authority over God's infallible Words.

OLAADEGBU:


The belief in billions of years for the age of the earth does not come from Scriptures, it comes from the faulty methods that atheist evolutionists use in dating the earth. If you superimpose these ideas into God's Word you are adding a concept from outside of the Scriptures and thereby put man's faulty ideas in authority over God's infallible Words.

Well, I really don't have time to go into all the nitty gritty of this topic. Its not really necessary anyway. As far as one is saved, that's what matters most.

Jeromejnr:


Well, I really don't have time to go into all the nitty gritty of this topic. Its not really necessary anyway. As far as one is saved, that's what matters most.

True. But the belief that earth history spans millions or billions of years has severe consequences as it is an authority issue and it contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture.

davidylan:


This type of vindictive, burn-them-with-fire, soulless and unconpassionate "Christianity" is why atheism is growing today.

Have you also joined forces with them?

davidylan:


I also happen to think that the bible actually supports an older earth. I'm not sure why that belief is a prerequisite for going to hell.

The belief may not necessarily be a prerequisite for going to hell but it shows where your authority lies. The Word of God or the words of fallible men.

OLAADEGBU:


True. But the belief that earth history spans millions or billions of years has severe consequences as it is an authority issue and it contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture.

Explain to us the scripture it contradicts.

Jeromejnr:


Explain to us the scripture it contradicts.

Take disease for instance. Fossil remains of animals are said to be millions years old show evidence of cancer, arthritis, brain tumours etc. If you are saying that such diseases existed millions of years before sin how do you explain the Scriptures that says after God had finished His creation said it is very good Genesis 1:31? That means you are implying God called those diseases "very good" and this does not fit in with the Bible and in fact impugns on the character of God.

OLAADEGBU:


You have to make up your mind as to whether you believe the Word of God or the words of fallible men because they are not saying the same thing.

Dont get you bro

OLAADEGBU:


Take disease for instance. Fossil remains of animals are said to be millions years old show evidence of cancer, arthritis, brain tumours etc. If you are saying that such diseases existed millions of years before sin how do you explain the Scriptures that says after God had finished His creation said it is very good Genesis 1:31? That means you are implying God called those diseases "very good" and this does not fit in with the Bible and in fact impugns on the character of God.

So what you still said is not from scriptures but from the same science we are talking about.

But anyway:

Firstly, you need to know that disease does not come from God but the devil. Acts 10:38

Secondly, Lucifer was a ruler in the old world. And in the book of Ezekiel it talks about how he destroyed and weaken the nations. So yes disease would have been a part of the destruction. Ezk 28:11-19

Thirdly, there was a flood at that time to wipe out everything on the earth. And God began the process of recreation. And everything He created was good. The fossils of the animals/beings of that time were still in the ground and left buried. They had nothing to do with the recreation.

That was why Peter said:

"...For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the land was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water... (2 Peter 3:5-6).

And if you have a good bible, if you check, you will see this scripture references back to Gen 1.

So Satan sinned first. And he had all the crazy stuffs with him. but he couldn't give any to Adam. Because God had given the authority of the earth to him and the devil had nothing against him. So sickness did not just start from man. The devil did not just get his power after man fell.

lepasharon:
neither did a worldwide flood happen

neither did Gd create man from dust

All make-beleive

exactly... Was just wondering where evil came from again,since the whole evil people were said to be destroyed by the flood..

starlingslimnet:


Dont get you bro

Do you believe in an old earth (as in millions and billions of years) or a young one?

OLAADEGBU:


You have at least proved all the posters above to be wrong. How did you know that the earth is 4.7 billion years old, where you there?

Even with experiments there should be observations. Those of you who believe in evolution and that billions of years ago (when there was nobody there to observe) that the universe came into existence by a big bang. Then billions of years ago (when there was nobody there to see) that the earth came into existence. Then billions of years ago (when there was nil people there as witnesses) that life formed on earth. Then millions of years ago (still no one there to observe) animals began changing into other animals. Then 2 million years ago (still no one about) an animal like an ape began to change into a human being. Is that not your story? Was there anyone around to observe when your concepts took place?

Contrariwise, the Bible, God's word, though written by holy men of God, informs us that God was there and He has given us an eyewitness account of exactly how long the universe and the earth was created. It boils down to faith, you believe in blind faith while Christians believe in biblical faith. You believe in faulty human beings who doesn't know everything as we have seen folks getting it wrong above while we Christians, believe and trust God who knows everything and who has always been there.

Lol "Blind faith vs "Biblical Faith"

The bible is a story book. Faith is believing in the absence of proof. Science doesn't do "faith". The numbers are gotten from tests, calculations from theoretical physics, astronomy, archeology. Different disciplines of science leading to the same conclusion.

Here's a fun exercise. Read Gen 1 & Gen 2. Notice some contradictions in the order of creation? That's because the book, like many in the old testament (or Jewish bible as I prefer to call it) is an untidy collection from different authors. If a supreme being gives out a book to explain it all, why so many contradictions?

It's funny how Christians ignore, discard or highlight verses in the bible as it suits them. The God of the christian bible is a vile being. Child killer, woman raper, misogynistic, narcissistic apologist.

"I am the all powerful God in control of everything that happens on earth. Except for bad stuff, that's the work of that lucifer guy. Yeah, and human actions, you guys have free will too"
Well, doesn't that make you not REALLY in control?
"DON'T QUESTION ME!!!"

Jeromejnr:


So what you still said is not from scriptures but from the same science we are talking about.

Are you saying Genesis 1:31 is not Scripture?

Jeromejnr:


But anyway:

Firstly, you need to know that disease does not come from God but the devil. Acts 10:38

When did disease enter the earth?

Jeromejnr:


Secondly, Lucifer was a ruler in the old world. And in the book of Ezekiel it talks about how he destroyed and weaken the nations. So yes disease would have been a part of the destruction. Ezk 28:11-19

Ezekiel did not tell you that, it is a figment of your own imagination.

Jeromejnr:


Thirdly, there was a flood at that time to wipe out everything on the earth. And God began the process of recreation. And everything He created was good. The fossils of the animals/beings of that time were still in the ground and left buried. They had nothing to do with the recreation.

That was why Peter said:

"...For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the land was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water... (2 Peter 3:5-6).

And if you have a good bible, if you check, you will see this scripture references back to Gen 1.

That idea was concocted by the devil who will have us believe that he and God evolved out of the primeval waters which had been the environment of his first consciousness when God created him. This is the suggested as you are also referring us back to Genesis 1 but also in all the pagan theories of creation such as Sumeria and Egypt to mention a few. Satan's corrupted wisdom devised this primeval system of pantheistic evolutionism and this is what he is using to deceive the world since Eve.

Jeromejnr:


So Satan sinned first. And he had all the crazy stuffs with him. but he couldn't give any to Adam. Because God had given the authority of the earth to him and the devil had nothing against him. So sickness did not just start from man. The devil did not just get his power after man fell.

If you are saying that sin, sickness and death entered the earth before Adam then you are contradicting the Scriptures which says:

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" (Romans 5:12).

The above scripture proves that there was no death before sin entered the world through Adam. God's finished work was "very good" and didn't contain any dead bones of diseased men. It was after Adam sinned that God brought the curse of decay and death upon Adam and the earth.

OLAADEGBU:


Do you believe in an old earth (as in millions and billions of years) or a young one?

Yea I believe in both because both exist and are scriptural.

starlingslimnet:


Yea I believe in both because both exist and are scriptural.

The earth is either old or young. Are you saying that it is both old and young?

OLAADEGBU:


The earth is either old or young. Are you saying that it is both old and young?

There are two earth: The created one; the one that was in the beginning Gen 1:1 which was destroyed by flood 2 Peter 3:6 due to Lucifer's rebellion to ascend from earth(His kingdom) to heaven Isaiah 14:13 (God's throne).This former world was made in the beginning alongside with the universe. And the Recreated one beginning from Genesis 1:3. The flood of water which the Spirit of God walked on was because of the destruction of Lucifer's kingdom with water and his removal as the ruler of the then planet earth. So the years of earth is the numbers of years the universe is.

starlingslimnet:


There are two earth: The created one; the one that was in the beginning Gen 1:1 which was destroyed by flood 2 Peter 3:6 due to Lucifer's rebellion to ascend from earth(His kingdom) to heaven Isaiah 14:13 (God's throne).This former world was made in the beginning alongside with the universe. And the Recreated one beginning from Genesis 1:3. The flood of water which the Spirit of God walked on was because of the destruction of Lucifer's kingdom with water and his removal as the ruler of the then planet earth. So the years of earth is the numbers of years the universe is.

These are the lies the devil has used in deceiving man since Eve.

OLAADEGBU:


These are the lies the devil has used in deceiving man since Eve.

Ok.....explain how the water in Gen 1:2 came into existence