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Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by Humblebloke(m): 9:35am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: 1- Seriously..... This is crazy...... and he tells us not to be vengeful.........He is indeed a loving god !!! 2- Good.... Glad to hear that! 3- Totally outta context.....perhaps you wanna tell me what people who do not share you beliefs are guilty of 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:37am On Oct 01, 2015 |
Humblebloke: Can you just stop being rebellious and live a good godly life ? |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:39am On Oct 01, 2015 |
hahn: Obviously ... He can ... but it would be too late for the non-believers |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 9:42am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Have been what now?? Ooh shiit. . . this just cracked me up.. Oh i do so well and i'd rather subscribe to explanations based on actual studies than on the allegedly abstract representation by primitive men banking on their superstition. Fun Question: Do you know the genesis account is a young account in the list of creation myths around? Now this is a cheap straw man. Science provides means of deducting knowledge religion claims to already have that knowledge. i ask again which is better... Same with the Sumerian Hammurabi code, law of neslim these are older ancient laws and antiquities. also the Quran and Hindu veda also teaches these. . . Now question: So without the bible you wouldn't know murder is wrong? Aaaaaaw surely if past events as laid out in a written text goes against the evidence available.. Man has a scientific method of ascertaining and reconstructing past events known as archeology. You are still dodging this question let me repeat it.. [color=#990000]which is better... One that agrees it doesn't know anything and looks towards evidence and study of what is to ascertain the true approximations . or the one that insists everything written in an ancient primitive text is true. So God didn't tell him how it actually happen but just an abstract representative of it? Hahahahahaha this is getting funnier .. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 9:44am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:really? But you are still the one doing that for him here, all the claims here is from you...God haven't done any... Only a man made God will need man to make itself known to man.. so he will throw them in hell for not believing right? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:47am On Oct 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: Not believing in what ? 1 Like |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 9:53am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:It is open for all to observe here no need implying it.. you are still trying to dodge this question. . Would you use threat to ensure conformity from your kids? please answer... It/she/he . . tell us which it is till then it remains the correct representation.. but while you at it don't forget the question.. "Why does it/she/her need threat to coerce people into submission It is a very valid question please enough with the straws in order to dodge a question. "What does it do with the belief, does it feed off it?
Only. . now we have established it to be different from human judicial system there for it only suggests tyranny here.. you are doing just great in defence of God here.. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by hahn(m): 9:54am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Obviously he hasn't 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by Humblebloke(m): 9:55am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: This is serious.......I really can't fathom why you religious folks think your religion(way of life) is the basis for living a morally upright life Religion really does becloud one's reasoning ability 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 9:56am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: KingEbukasBlog:So non-believers in what were you referring to here...? Poor escape tactise i must say.. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:59am On Oct 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: cool Oh i do so well and i'd rather subscribe to explanations based on actual studies than on the allegedly abstract representation by primitive men banking on their superstition. good for you Fun Question: Do you know the genesis account is a young account in the list of creation myths around? Are you serious ? Now this is a cheap straw man. If you say so Science provides means of deducting knowledge religion claims to already have that knowledge. You are defining these two from your own perspective Science provided Abiogenesis , Evolution and the Big Bang Why dont you believe in these theories ? Now question: So without the bible you wouldn't know murder is wrong? The question should be who embedded the reason to feel guilt when murder is committed Aaaaaaw surely if past events as laid out in a written text goes against the evidence available.. Man has a scientific method of ascertaining and reconstructing past events known as archeology. You need to re-read your posts before your posts tho You are still dodging this question let me repeat it.. evidence that life came from the non-living through a single cell then evolved to become complex beings who can discern between right and wrong , express emotions , reason etc . Ok then
Science is expected to do that job Hahahahahaha this is getting funnier ..[/i][/b] TBBT plus johnydon22's posts on Nairaland . I'm having a blast ! 1 Like |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 10:00am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Am curious here, is belief in a God synonymous to being moral? Go on lets hear it 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:13am On Oct 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: Non-believers - sinners Non- believers - people who don't acknowledge God's existence ( some religions acknowledge the existence of a supreme being) I wanted to know for sure |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:17am On Oct 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: Where did I make that claim ? |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 10:18am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Will you like me to take you up on some schooling about that? should we dabble into older antiquities? Unlike your absurd dogmas science is open to question, review and argument. . Last i checked these subjects are still under heavy studies so as to make sure it proffers what actually is, if evidence against is found in the course of this study then the theory is discarded unlike you who would clutch on to absurdity no matter what twisting it at will. Can you stop the dodge work and answer? Which is better; Science that agrees it doesn't have answers and is working towards knowing or religion that insists its dogmas must be taken as truth... No the question is without bible or any religious book telling you not to kill you wouldn't know murder is wrong? pleas stop your running around and answer.. You have been shown how past events recorded in a book are not infallible...Cheap defence doesn't work here.. This is a logical fallacy known as bandwagon fallacy, you cannot address the question but pull unrelated assertions against premises that are not subject of argument here. Please answer me na stop running around Which is better; Science that agrees it doesn't have answers and is working towards knowing or religion that insists its dogmas must be taken as truth... hahahahaha i don die this God is quite drunk doesn't know how to tell a story though … … Just imagine how you are ridiculing your religion here... 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 10:24am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Ok non-believer is also synonymous to sinner in some cases? Meaning anytime you commit sin you are a non-believer or you don't? Tell us the non-believers you were referring to in that post here KingEbukasBlog:Tell us the non-believers you mean here 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by Humblebloke(m): 10:26am On Oct 01, 2015 |
jiggaz: Thank you brova....... I read this somewhere It just didn't make any sense...... I don't believe in the afterlife..... All I'm concerned about is doing my best for the human race while I'm still breathing Try to make the world a better place......which is what your religion care less about...... It's all about heaven, hell and afterlife theory 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 10:26am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Lmao. . and who said you did, it was a question gather your wits. Is believing in a God synonymous to morality? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by dalaman: 10:30am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Let me educate you, i actually learnt this fact here on Nairaland from another atheist when I was a christian. The reason why the bible uses heart and never the brain when it talk about people and reasoning was because the people that wrote the bible actually thought the heart was what people used to reason, no where in the bible does it say people reason with their brains because the authors did not know, they actually believed that emotions and reason where from the heart because of the fact that when people were scared or tensed their hearts began to beat faster the writers of the bible knew nothing about hormones and their functions and the function of the brain, to the people reasoned with their hearts and the heart what is responsible for all emotions, they knew nothing about the brain and how it functions and they wrote it down which later became a part of our vocabulary like I feel joy in my heart, this expression came out from the fact that the ancients thought the heat is what is responsible for emotions. These are the same people you want us to believe that they speak on behalf of the creator of the universe. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by Weah96: 10:35am On Oct 01, 2015 |
Antiparticle: And that's the point. Just like a poster above alluded to the billions of believers, those same billions contradict themselves. Some follow Mohammed, others follow Jesus. The number of believers then say nothing about the existence of God since they believe in DIFFERENT Gods. In the case of Islam, the believers are so convinced that Christians are talking rubbish, to the extent that they commit suicide to demonstrate that belief. So there must be something other than the sample size which legitimizes the belief to a third party. 2 Likes |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by dalaman: 10:52am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Davidylan is on record here to have said that christianity is purely a faith based religion that has nothing to do with logic and reason, he sometimes openly states his doubt for some of the things written inside the bible, most atheist have commended his honesty and have openly stated that he is the most honest christian they know here on NL. He agrees that christianity and science have nothing in common and that christianity should be accepted based purely on faith, he has said that many times here. |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:54am On Oct 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: Where did I make that claim 1 Like |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:01am On Oct 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: I was being sarcastic ...smh Unlike your absurd dogmas science is open to question, review and argument. . Last i checked these subjects are still under heavy studies so as to make sure it proffers what actually is, if evidence against is found in the course of this study then the theory is discarded unlike you who would clutch on to absurdity no matter what twisting it at will. That does not answer my question . Why dont you believe in Evolution , Big Bang and Abiogenesis
You are making illogical comparisons its as simple as that . No the question is without bible or any religious book telling you not to kill you wouldn't know murder is wrong? Actually , its no . I've been a christian all my life [b][i]hahahahaha i don die this God is quite drunk doesn't know how to tell a story though … … I being mocked by someone who does not understand the role of science and religion . LMAOOOOOOO 1 Like |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:02am On Oct 01, 2015 |
dalaman: I believe you |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:04am On Oct 01, 2015 |
dalaman: Wow...ok |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 11:15am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Hahahahahahaha ....i don die Hahahaha now this is the question? i have answered this countless times.. Because these subjects are still under heavy study in science didn't you hear the news8) A specie Homo naledi was unearthed few weeks back showing science doesn't claim absolute truth but rather keeps striving to uncover the actual truth or evidence against a theory. . Come on just agree scientific methods are awesome.. But you are still trying to doge. . and this remains the explanation to scientific guidance. Unlike your absurd dogmas science is open to question, review and argument. . Last i checked these subjects are still under heavy studies so as to make sure it proffers what actually is, if evidence against is found in the course of this study then the theory is discarded unlike you who would clutch on to absurdity no matter what twisting it at will. Abeg na stop running around because anyone reading this knows the question was a direct one. Which is better; Science that agrees it doesn't have answers and is working towards knowing or religion that insists its dogmas must be taken as truth...? Stopped dodging and answer like a man.. So without bible you wouldn't have known murder is wrong. . .Very excellent That moment when someone doesn't know what to say again. . You are still dodging my question at the same time showing us how drunk your God concept is when it comes to impacting knowledge of how things happened.. Let me ask again Which is better; Science that agrees it doesn't have answers and is working towards knowing or religion that insists its dogmas must be taken as truth...? Can you man up and tell us which of these two premise of knowledge deduction is better and more reliable.. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:26am On Oct 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: People with higher superior far much better knowledge of science still believe in Abiogenesis , Big Bang and Evolution . So why exactly dont you believe in these theories . You are still not making sense . Sha I'm letting you know that But you are still trying to doge. . and this remains the explanation to scientific guidance. you are making illogical comparisons . 1 Like |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 11:35am On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Lmao. . You still making this childish assertion? .. pitiful.. since when did science become a dogma that needs to be believed? Abiogenesis per say is hypothetical boy am sure you wouldn't know that. You don't even have a premise to clutch on now the issue is scientific theories that are still under study. People with superior knowledge are not johnydon22. .science is consistent study of a subject to improve the knowledge of that subject. Going by your childish assertion people with superior knowledge would believe Mars was a dry red planet until just few days back it was announced that liquid water seasonally flow on mars.. Awesome isn't it ...
Habaaa na stop this dodging it is disgraceful. . people here will be laughing their hearts out now. . Answer me in a simple term na. Which is better; Science that agrees it doesn't have answers and is working towards knowing or religion that insists its dogmas must be taken as truth...? Can you man up and tell us which of these two premise of knowledge deduction is better and more reliable.. Hahahaha i don die.. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:43am On Oct 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: Let me break it down : Looking at the "facts" presented by the BBT , ET and Abiogenesis . Why aint you an advocate of these theories ? Why do you think "people with superior knowledge of science" still "believe"in these theories and you don't ?
You are still making illogical comparisons. They are two different concepts |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:52am On Oct 01, 2015 |
johnydon22: Again , Johnny ...nobody gives a sh.it |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 12:01pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:[b] Oh please enough with the people with superior knowledge in science believe these theories. Not everyone in the scientific field agree to a theory until all possible reviews, studies, observations, experimentations, discoveries has been properly carried out on this theories. [size=16] I am one of those who maintain a skeptic nature and we even try finding faults in these theories to make sure a close approximation of truth is reached through these studies.[/size] So to answer again: I am YET to agree with the Big Bang theory, evolution or the hypothetical abiogenesis or biogenesis because these subjects are still under heavy study and there are still many more to uncover in order to perfect these or ultimately find out a better answer. If evidence against evolution arises and is reviewed to be correct evolution would be discarded by the science community, nobody would hold it to be true or believe it. Science means study boy not dogma. . so i am sure this childish hang on a thread has been addressed in full here..[/b]
Haven't you dodged this long enough? science and religion are opposite concepts and so are open to pure comparison. Science recognize answers through careful study of the subject and religion establish answers without study and shielded from questions. . This is a clear open ground to establish comparison of both method of knowledge deduction. So please na stop the fear and answer me .. Which is better; Science that agrees it doesn't have answers and is working towards knowing or religion that insists its dogmas must be taken as truth...? Hahahahahaha chai... 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: My Fellow Agnostic And Atheist, What If We Got It All Wrong? by johnydon22(m): 12:03pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: That is correct People needs to laugh naaaa... You are doing a great job giving them what to laugh over 1 Like 1 Share |
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