tpiah:



do you really and sincerely believe Igbos constitute 90% of the slaves taken from the west coast of Africa to the Americas?

Blacks never fail to amaze me.

small time una go begin rain curses on Lugard say im dey talk racist talk.

sjeezy8:

lol i can put i can put a sentence together but i just dont care to on nairaland ehn hen good for p square

and the people i listed sing or rap in yoruba, igbo or pidgin p square's hottest songs are those that relate to nigerians
like "ifunanya"


lol i think it is so funny when people try to make themselves SEEM so intelligent on a DAMN FORUM OR BLOGSITE LOL

sjeezy8:

rap isn't american lol you clown

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/15/opinion/l-rap-music-began-on-jamaica-in-the-1960-s-659388.html

dude like do your homework b4 you speak , your like sooo dumb

people think it originated in new york but it didn't lol

man your soo dumb lol

rap is an art for of spoken word around the world since b4 american blacks did it

rap is just a word that americans call it jamaicans call it toasting and im sure other cultures have names for it lol

i hope your not trying to become a lawyer cause you suck really bad

tpiah:

five gashes of his country marks on each cheek means what?

"Ibos" back then werent within the same boundaries as the "Igbos" of today.

You dont have to believe that however!



the whites back then went to great extent to distinguish between the 400 Nigerian tribes in general and the 300 Nigerian tribes on the coast, I'm sure. They really cared about the difference.

tpiah:

there's a lot you havent heard before, obviously.

I've read the length and breath most of this "Igbo African American" history and likewise I've read other history as well, unlike you.

The ichi I'm seeing here has more than 5 gashes on each cheek, not so?

Post the rest of the article you quoted plz. The full page.

tpiah:

@ bolded

no, you havent.

How old is your statue and yes, it matters because the tribes are pretty specific with their markings. Else the different tribal marks wouldnt be unique depending on tribe.

tpiah:

These are Virginian slave notices. Virginia wasnt the only slave holding state, to the best of my knowledge. And Yoruba is a relatively recent term. Also a foreign name which the Yorubas didnt know themselves by at the time. So is Anago/Nago.




from your link (the other history you dont care know about)

tpiah:

well, you really need to make up your mind about Yorubas and tribal marks.

Because all we hear these days is its the fantastically ugly Yorubas who delight in glorifying their ugliness by slashing their faces with tribal marks. Please search the length and breadth of Nairaland and tell me which tribe has been exclusively villified for having tribal marks.

To now lay claim to Igbos having tribal marks because I pointed them out in your article, is rather too obvious simply because you're bent on claiming an American presence.

In any case, the runaway slave described as Ibo had five gashes on each cheek, "being his country's marks". That's pretty specific and a little research can uncover more.

tpiah:

contrary to what you're saying, Congo and Angola had quite a few mentions,same as Ibo (which btw, didnt cover the exact boundaries as the Igbos of today, like I mentioned before). Same goes for Guinea.

tpiah:

The timeline of these articles preceeded the Berlin Conference which was when the boundaries making up the modern states of west/central Africa were drawn.

You also fixedly ignore the steady slave traffic from the Carribeans especially (where most slaves were "broken in and seasoned", and instead try to prove most of the slave ships went directly from Africa to the US plantations. This isnt entirely true.

Even as far back as then, slaves born in Africa were still regarded as a separate category from the other slaves just as it still is today with Africans and AAs. Blacks have been shipped to the US since the 17th century and the African born blacks still met a substantial number of American born slaves whenever they landed. And they were still tagged "Africans" due to their African mannerisms. Neither were they a majority among the black population, to the best of my knowledge.

tpiah:

Yorubas back then identified themselves by their villages, not tribe. Most of the slaves werent even aware of what others called them (Yoruba, Lucumi, Nago) until they left Africa. The majority never knew their continent was called Africa until after they reached their new destination. If you notice, Angola, Guinea and Congo arent tribes- they're general names for geographical regions or countries back then. So can you explain why the term Ibo was a tribe during that period?

tpiah:

However, plz feel free to hold on to your opinions! Facts arent that important.

sjeezy8:

eh hen like i said ODE maybe you should jump of a building because my point was why be concerned about the relation between AA and igbos when igbos dont want to be associated , i mean you making a big deal and when i talk about LATIN america im tlkain about those who come back to nigeria or those who still practice IFA and what not, AA didn't past shiooot down to there generations (we dont care about those who dont practice our traditional culture)

and I said igbos and african americans ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AA CULTURE IS IN NO WAY THE SAME AS IGBO


NOW SLAP YOURSELF LOL

for you to say black americans didnt pass shit down is incorrect. babies were sold off at infant and toddler stages which didnt happen alot in other places. also africans in america were restricted from playing the drum doing african dances, and their toungues were cut off of they spoke an african language.

so you just cant say you dont care about those who dont practice their traditional culture. they were prevented.

if im sold at two what the hell am i going to know?

tpiah:



I know for you, its all about dominance, hence my advice to continue holding on to your opinion, regardless of facts. Nothing spoil! Life goes on!!!


What you also need to do is look into the history and etymology of the word Ibo/Igbo. How did the term originate and when did it first start being applied to the area known as Igbo today.

tpiah:

I dont doubt this kind of enquiry is beyond you however. Since you may not like what you see. Its easier to simply assume anyone who doesnt follow your edicts, does so because of hate.

five gashes of his country marks on each cheek means what?

"Ibos" back then werent within the same boundaries as the "Igbos" of today.

You dont have to believe that however!



the whites back then went to great extent to distinguish between the 400 Nigerian tribes in general and the 300 Nigerian tribes on the coast, I'm sure. They really cared about the difference.

tpiah:

interesting!!!!





Nairaland search function!!! Fights plenty for there!!!!!

tpiah:

at least you're finally acknowledging a Carribean transit, albeit in order to prove a point! Not surprised!

So Olaudah was the only person shipped there?

tpiah:




like I said, you've read books that interested you and which you consider gospel.

That doesnt mean its the end of information about the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.

tpiah:
What you call "fact- checking" doesnt really match the dictionary term but its a free world. Likewise, there are many sources for people to pick and choose which one they prefer.

tpiah:

I already pointed out the fact that Angola, Guinea and Congo arent tribes and asked you why Ibo was/would be considered a tribe in these slave notices. I further asked you to check the etymology and meaning of the word Ibo/Igbo. I dont think the burden of proof is on me.

You're entitled to your opinion plz! No need to get upset over someone having a contrary view.

abi did I insult Igbo here? Dont know what you consider an insult.

tpiah:

I'm not really interested in sharing any sources.

tpia.:

btw ezeagu I have a question for you.

When the Igbos, Calabars and Ijaws were raiding the interior for slaves during the pre-Naija era: did they raid only on the "Nigeria" side or were slaves also taken from Cameroon?

Bear in mind this was before Nigeria was created. Did the slavers only take from their northern/western side or did they also raid in the eastern interior?

tpia.:


try to leave the question of how many Igbos were shipped to the Americas so I can understand you better.

tpia.:


So you're saying the Aro and other slave traders only sourced for slaves from within the boundaries of what would later become Nigeria?

In other words, they did not conduct any raids on their eastern side but only stocked from a northwesterly direction?

I'm asking because the same thing didnt happen at Lagos, Whydah and most other slave ports.

tpia.:

can you explain this quote from wikipedia before it gets changed




given the Aro Confederacy's status as suppliers of slaves.