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Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 12:44am On Jul 23, 2009 |
tpia.: Because there wasn't any need to travel all the way to "Congo coast" ports, when key ports New Calabar and Bonny were next door. Let's not forget that there were also non-Aro slave raiders already in Cameroon, EG, Gabon, the Congo and Angola. That would be like Oyo capturing Igbo slaves. |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by Nobody: 2:04am On Jul 23, 2009 |
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Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 4:13am On Jul 23, 2009 |
tpia.: Was it not stated that the Igbo in Ife mythology are not related to the Igbo people in southeastern Nigeria, and even if they are, I don't know who they could be, unless at their time they had Igbo people nearer them, I'm guessing this legend takes place centuries before the Atlantic slave trade, no? |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by Nobody: 4:36am On Jul 23, 2009 |
ezeagu: I have no idea when the raids took place, or what the legend means. here's the story as told in modern form http://books.google.com/books?id=6TN5bjL-m3gC&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=moremi+myth&source=bl&ots=bMnA4I5hUS&sig=AXE03DYHtheUQ0dzvnhx_JdoS5A&hl=en&ei=DNpnSpWGO9_ktgeS9uXECw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6 |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 10:19pm On Jul 23, 2009 |
tpia.: It might be there were some indigenous Igbo people around those areas, but were later driven away by the Yoruba settlers, this would be centuries before the Atlantic slave trade though. |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by Nobody: 11:16pm On Jul 23, 2009 |
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Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 1:44am On Jul 26, 2009 |
Okay, I thought about it. It's not official, but here's what I think: The Igbo had migrated to southern Nigeria much earlier than their Yoruba counterparts. When the Yoruba finally arrived they encountered the Igbo (who had stretched their communities considerebly accross Southern Nigeria) and probably stayed around eachother for a bit, hence the language similarities, then there was probably conflict or the Igbo moved away gradually towards the east, I don't know, it's just a thought. |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by Nobody: 2:03am On Jul 26, 2009 |
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Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 2:12am On Jul 26, 2009 |
tpia.: There weren't any Capoid's in West Africa, only Negroids. I have read the history of the Yoruba and Igbo, sources show there is evidence of settlement by the Yoruba in their homelands from the second millennium BC, for the Igbo its the fourth millennium BC! The Igbo were 'made' by waves of migrations apparently. |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by Nobody: 2:19am On Jul 26, 2009 |
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Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 2:28am On Jul 26, 2009 |
tpia.: Capoids originated from North Africa and then traveled down to Southern Africa, West is and has always been, as far as research has gone, been inhabited by Negroids, unless you can show me a credible source that says otherwise. tpia.: Not everyone, there are unique races e.g aboriginal's. |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by Nobody: 3:11am On Jul 26, 2009 |
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Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by dayokanu(m): 3:19am On Jul 26, 2009 |
Igbos didnt even have access to the sea and are basically landlocked. Igbos did not have organised Cities and Empires during those time and Bight of Biafra was not in any way referring to Igboland its from Ondo, Delta, Bayelsa, Rivers, Akwa Ibo Cross River and Cameroun also Equitorial Guinea Most people taken as slaves to the New world were Yorubas that was why their culture and religion dominated among the slaves taken to the NEW WORLD. Check Brazil, Cuba and even US |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by Nobody: 3:58am On Jul 26, 2009 |
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Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 4:05am On Jul 26, 2009 |
dayokanu: The Igbo have/had a very close tie with the ethnicities around them, these ties are exemplified in the secret societies, such as Ekpe, that is shared with the Igbo, Ibibio, Efik etc. Remember that Opobo is a coastal region founded by an Igbo man, these perceived tensions between the eastern ethnicities today are largely a by product of divide and rule. As you can see this European journal details canoe owners taking them to the 'Eboe country'. dayokanu: Your right about the Empires, I guess our ancestors weren't power hungry tyrannical rulers, plus our country wasn't united under one feudal monarchy, we were 'democratic', (rugged individualism, made us fit perfectly in America), and for "organised cities", either the cities of Onitsha, Enugu, Owerri, Arochuckwu, Nri etc were sprung up in 1900 by the British, along with their respective monarchs, or your not paying attention to your writing. dayokanu: . . . . . . Yeah, but most of the people coming out of its major ports (Calabar, Bonny) were Igbo. . . . . . . dayokanu: No, most people taken to the new world were from Angola, roughly 5 million were taken and 3 million embarked in the 'New World' colonies. http://slavevoyages.org/tast/assessment/estimates.faces?yearFrom=1501&yearTo=1866 dayokanu: Brazil, Cuba? Yes. United states? No. |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 4:09am On Jul 26, 2009 |
tpia.: I knew it! I don't know if anyone remembers, but I once said that the genetics between the Igbo and the Mbundu are very similar according to geneticists, they're not pygmies, but they're still in West-Central Africa. |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by dayokanu(m): 4:51am On Jul 26, 2009 |
Brazil, Cuba? Yes. United states? No. The people who practise these Yoruba religion in Cuba and Brazil were products of slave trade right? Read about the village of Oyotunji in South Carolina and tell me any African ethnic group tht has anything similar to this in the US. These are not recent Migrants hope you know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyotunji http://www.church-of-the-lukumi.org/temujinhist.htm |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 2:07pm On Jul 26, 2009 |
dayokanu: Oyotunji African Village is a village located near Sheldon, Beaufort County, South Carolina that was founded by the late Oba Efuntola Oseijeman Adelabu Adefunmi I in 1970, as part of a "New World Yoruba" initiative. Now read about a real African landmark in America from the slave era: Ebo landing Ebo Landing http://www.glynncounty.com/History_and_Lore/Ebo_Landing/ |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by dayokanu(m): 5:18am On Jul 27, 2009 |
Your post would have been true but for this important point The royal touraco feather protects the Swazi from evil. Patterns in the chief's robe has a woven message inspired from a Kente design called Aberewa ben Why are all the Igbo gods not remembered in slavery Where are the Amadiohas while the Sango, Obatala, Oya and co survived. Are you telling us that the slaves of igbo descent forgot their gods he only thing which slaves were differentiated with was their language and their religion and of all African language and Religion Only the Yoruba language and Religion thrived in the New world Nobody ever mentioned Igbo culture and religion take a look at the article below http://dickinsg.intrasun.tcnj.edu/diaspora/nworld.html |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 5:54am On Jul 27, 2009 |
dayokanu: http://books.google.com/books?id=KJZ2JOG8kZAC&pg=PA133&dq=igbo+culture+red+cap dayokanu: I've already agreed that Brazil and Cuba were dominated by Yoruba and Kongo (it even said so in your article), but for the US it is the Igbo culture. The focus for this area of research is on specific language groups that were common in the diaspora: Aja/Fon, Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, and Kanuri (Borno). As is now widely known, enslaved Africans were often concentrated in specific places in the diaspora. Enslaved individuals from the Nigerian hinterland are know to have gone to Bahia (Yoruba, Hausa, Nupe), Jamaica (Igbo), St. Domique/Haiti (Aja/Fon, Yoruba, Igbo), Cuba (Yoruba, Aja/Fon), and the USA (Igbo). http://www.yorku.ca/nhp/areas/ethnic.htm Language, there are no Yoruba words in African American vernacular because there were very little Yoruba were present and the American slaves were heavily restricted from speaking their language, and practicing their religions. But in the Caribbean Igbo language dominated: Jamaican Patois contains many loanwords. Primarily these come from English, but are also borrowed from Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi, Arawak and African languages. Examples from African languages include /dopi/ meaning ghost, from the Twi word adope; obeah, also from Twi, meaning a type of African spell-casting or witchcraft (and also used as a popular scapegoat for common woes); /se/ meaning that (in the sense of "he told me that, " = /im tel mi se/), taken from a West African language; the pronoun /unu/, used for the plural form of you, is taken from the Igbo language. Red eboe describes a fair skinned black person because of the reported account of fair skin among the Igbo.[33] Soso meaning only comes from both the Igbo Check the sources on the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_(language) |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by dayokanu(m): 6:35am On Jul 27, 2009 |
So who were the Igbo gods worshipped in the New World? I've already agreed that Brazil and Cuba were dominated by Yoruba and Kongo (it even said so in your article), but for the US it is the Igbo culture. Evidence of Igbo culture in the US not even a mention of Amadioha was made. Language, there are no Yoruba words in African American vernacular because there were very little Yoruba were present and the American slaves were heavily restricted from speaking their language, and practicing their religions. But in the Caribbean Igbo language dominated: Do you know Cuba, Haiti are caribean Islands? Starting in the 16th century, large numbers of Yoruba natives were transported as slaves to the Caribbean and the Americas. They combined beliefs and practices from their Ifa religion with elements of Roman Catholicism to produce the syncretistic religions of Candomblé, Palo Mayombe, Santeria, Vodun, etc. These are now flourishing in the Caribbean, South America and North America, notably in Brazil, Colombia, Cuba, Grenada, the Guyanas, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, St. Kitts, St. Vincent, Tobago, and Trinidad Cuba, Haiti, Puerto Rico, St Kitts and Vincent are in the Carribean right So tell us where Amadioha is being worshipped in the Americas or anywhere Igbo language is spoken http://www.religioustolerance.org/ifa.htm |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 4:14pm On Jul 27, 2009 |
dayokanu: You don't understand Igbo culture. How can somebody worship their communities god (btw we have hundreds of demi-gods) when their not even in their community, e.g the deity of the river Imo. Igbo people believe in a supreme God, and all the other gods are just spirits that manifested into an object or a place or is guardian of something, even when 'praying' to these gods the supreme god is called first, Chineke Chukwu. This is why Christianity suited Igbo people so much (and we were the ones embracing it the most). Even Kongo gods are not seen in the new world, but their religion is still practiced, these traditional religions are different. dayokanu: Maybe its to do with the fact that we have hundreds of gods, oh and heres the mention of an Igbo God you've been desperate for me to give you: Ikenga http://books.google.com/books?id=nSOyBs14tHEC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=Igbo+ikenga And here's Igbo, Kalabari masquerades: http://books.google.com/books?id=vqpoxEl_0_4C&pg=PA182&dq=Jonkonnu+america+igbo In Cuba as well (Abakua): http://books.google.com/books?id=FRUgAU2Z2-MC&pg=RA1-PA202&dq=Abakua+igbo dayokanu: I meant to say the British Caribbean. dayokanu: I've already given you examples of Igbo words, if you want some more, alright. Even the nickname for Barbados is from the Igbo language: http://books.google.com/books?id=PmvSk13sIc0C&pg=PA101&dq=bim+barbados+igbo (scroll down) |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ezeagu(m): 8:05pm On Jul 28, 2009 |
As I said before: ezeagu: |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by proudAkata(f): 6:59pm On Aug 06, 2009 |
"-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WHATS THE EAST SIDE OBSESSION WITH AMERICANS BEING IGBO I MEAN PURE RUBBISH, IM SURE THEY ARE BUT THEY DONT SPEAK IGBO NOR DO THEY HAVE IGBO NAMES NOR THE SAME TRADITIONAL BELIEFS, YORUBAS ON THE OTHER HAND ONLY ACKNOWLEGDE THOSE IN BRAZIL , CUBA, PUERTO RICO THAT KNOW THIER YORUBA. ALL THE OTHER ARE LOST ESPECIALLY AA'S" How is any of that out fault? Lost? Yes I guess we made it tha way. Sorry I apologize for my people. We came here by choice yes? YES. I would love to know how in the world we would still be able to speak native languages that were practically beat out of us centuries ago. I'm going to leave now. Ignorance makes me sick. |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by agathamari(f): 9:55am On Aug 07, 2009 |
jamacia is not now nor ever was part of "america" it was a seperate colony entirely and the things that happend there cannot be blamed on the US only England |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by agathamari(f): 10:06am On Aug 07, 2009 |
@ezeagu Most cultures were suppressed in America for a long time. unless you were protostant/puritin and english/german you wernt to practice your beliefs or languages in public. how many europeans were called witches and burned alive in the us because they believed in the traditional beliefs of europe? how many chinese were attacked for celebrating thier newyears? how many hispanics were called satanists because of thier traditional holidays? is only recently that cultures are starting to embrace thier roots but there are still those (mostly christian extremests) who are trying to stop this expression |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by FowardEast(f): 7:48am On Aug 10, 2009 |
The atlantic slave trade is in the bible. So being Igbo or whatever doesnt really matter. I mean the people who left on those ships, especially AA's, were cursed by the most high. |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by ikeyman00(m): 12:24pm On Aug 10, 2009 |
they ve come again^^^ |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by FowardEast(f): 12:32pm On Aug 10, 2009 |
^^^ And those who deny have posted again. |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by beneli(m): 1:25pm On Aug 10, 2009 |
FowardEast: I am afraid, my sister, that you have quite a lot of reading and research to catch up on. The line of thinking that you still indulge in, is now so very very obsolete. The Hamitic theory and the rest of that crap was the Europeans attempt to justify their own savagery! |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by FowardEast(f): 1:33pm On Aug 10, 2009 |
beneli: And I can bet the readings I need to catch up on are the same ones europeans wrote or had a hand in making. Right? I mean sure euro's are savage but alot others are too. Everyday is learning. Can you suggest something? |
Re: Igbo, Ibibio, Etc. In The Atlantic Slave Trade by beneli(m): 9:20am On Aug 11, 2009 |
FowardEast: You got me there, my sister! I can't think of anything to suggest to you that would make you change your world view. So go on believing what you want to believe. |
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