@O.p,correct yourself Jesu Is not a yoruba word,it is how almost all Tribes in Africa calls Jesus,even Igbos say Jesu also

agadez007:
@O.p,correct yourself Jesu Is not a yoruba word,it is how almost all Tribes in Africa calls Jesus,even Igbos say Jesu also

Igbos mostly say Jesus. I have attended their catholic chapels.
Edos say Ijesu
Yorubas say Jesu.

Mphumalanga:


Igbos mostly say Jesus. I have attended their catholic chapels.
Edos say Ijesu
Yorubas say Jesu.

Igbo Catholics say 'Jeeso'. They write it as 'Jesu', but pronounce it as 'Jeeso'.

The 'chapels' you attended must have been English-speaking ones.

Mphumalanga:


Igbos mostly say Jesus. I have attended their catholic chapels.
Edos say Ijesu
Yorubas say Jesu.

Agreed,but In Igbo Bible jesu is what they Used pronouced as "Jeso"

RedboneSmith:


Igbo Catholics say 'Jeeso'. They write it as 'Jesu', but pronounce it as 'Jeeso'.

The 'chapels' you attended must have been English-speaking ones.

Yes, Igbos say Jesso, but you will have to agree with me that Igbos use the English form sometimes, whereas the Yorubas don't
Take for example, If something terrible happens, you can hear an Igbo shouting "Obara Jesus"! , but you won't hear a Yoruba saying "Eje Jesus", they simply scream Eje Jeesuuuu or Jeeeesu, Lmao.
Mind you, the chapel spoke igbo but surprisingly leaves Jesus unchanged from the English version whereas everything else was in Igbo.

Anyway, wetin I know.
Btw, where can someone get an Urhobo bible?

pazienza:


No acculturation took place in Ukwuani, Ika or Ikwerre.

It is unprecedented in the history of humans, for a people to completely discard their language for the language of their neighbors without the use of force.

There was no Igbo empire to have forced Igbo language on those groups, and even in cases of acculturation, there are usually evidences of dead language, but there are no such things for those groups.

Ndiigbo also traded and had interactions with smaller groups like Ogoni, Idoma, Ekoi, Annang and Igala( Ibaji) , and non Of those groups are Igbo speaking today, few of them that speak Igbo at all, do so as a second language.

On the contrary, Bini was an imperialistic power, it is only logical that the Bini connections these groups speak of has everything to do with Bini imperialism rather than real ancestral relationship.

Did you just say unprecedented in the history of human for a people to completely (wasn't completely) discard their language without the use of force? Did you write that out of ignorance or out of cheer mischief?

Are you for real? What evidences of a dead language do they usually have? What exactly do you mean by that? And how are you expecting a dead language if the original language is still in existence and being used by a neighboring group? Isn't it the way it is with the Bayelsa and Rivers group that were originally Ijoid but now greatly Igboid?

And for your third point, you sound so unintelligent to expect everything to work the same in all circumstances. What a straight line way of thinking.

ehikwe22:
Did you just say unprecedented in the history of human for a people to completely (wasn't completely) discard their language without the use of force? Did you write that out of ignorance or out of cheer mischief?

Are you for real? What evidences of a dead language do they usually have? What exactly do you mean by that? And how are you expecting a dead language if the original language is still in existence and being used by a neighboring group? Isn't it the way it is with the Bayelsa and Rivers group that were originally Ijoid but now greatly Igboid?

And for your third point, you sound so unintelligent to expect everything to work the same in all circumstances. What a straight line way of thinking.

Are you roaming?
Show me examples in history where people completely discarded their indigenous language for those of their neighbors they abhor, simply because of inter trading?

Esan migrated from Bini and we can see that in a corrupted version of Bini language they now speak and call Esan language. How exactly did Ika Bini language degenerate into a full blown Igboid language when they still share boundary with Bini people?

Odiani have a dead( dying) Yoruboid language to prove their Yoruboid origin, despite being surrounded entirely by Enu ani speakers and with no boundary contact with any Yoruba speaking people for centuries now.

No Bayelsa or Rivers group that were Previously Ijoid are Igboid today, get your facts right.
Even Opobo and Bonny have a dead(dying) Ijoid language called Ibani.


You and your band of Ika Bini wannabes are the unintelligent ones that have been insulting our intelligence with silly unfounded irrational origin stories.

The shame is on you lot.

pazienza:


Are you roaming?
Show me examples in history where people completely discarded their indigenous language for those of their neighbors they abhor, simply because of inter trading?

Esan migrated from Bini and we can see that in a corrupted version of Bini language they now speak and call Esan language. How exactly did Ika Bini language degenerate into a full blown Igboid language when they still share boundary with Bini people?

Odiani have a dead( dying) Yoruboid language to prove their Yoruboid origin, despite being surrounded entirely by Enu ani speakers and with no boundary contact with any Yoruba speaking people for centuries now.

No Bayelsa or Rivers group that were Previously Ijoid are Igboid today, get your facts right.
Even Opobo and Bonny have a dead(dying) Ijoid language called Ibani.


You and your band of Ika Bini wannabes are the unintelligent ones that have been insulting our intelligence with silly unfounded irrational origin stories.

The shame is on you lot.

You have a very valid point but then again, if Opobo and Bonny people are losing their language now (even though vestiges of the original Ijaw language remains), what's to say these so-called Edo-derived Igboid groups didn't lose theirs over time? After all, many of them claim to have elements of Edo in their language.

fratermathy:


You have a very valid point but then again, if Opobo and Bonny people are losing their language now (even though vestiges of the original Ijaw language remains), what's to say these so-called Edo-derived Igboid groups didn't lose theirs over time? After all, many of them claim to have elements of Edo in their language.

Ibani still exists as a second language in Bonny and Opobo.

All inter trading will cause is bilingualism, especially when there is no colonial power at play. Idoma communities at Enugu/Ebonyi - Benue border are bilingual in Idoma and Igbo language, likewise those Enugu/Ebonyi neighbors of the Idomas Who are also bilingual in Igbo and Idoma to ease trade between the two groups.

Stop supporting irrationality, how can Ika just a stone throw to Bini, and who had shown nothing but hate to Igbo tag throw away their Bini language for an Igbo one when right in the same Ika, the real Edo migrants amongst them, called Oza nogogo people continue to speak an Edoids language as their first language even unto this day, while they speak Igboid language as a second language.

Even Urhobo and Isoko that migrated from Bini and had lost territorial contact with Bini still speak an Edoid language till today.

Please stop being mischievous in your support of irrationality, any rational mind can see the lies inherent in a Bini loving, and Igbophobic Ika, that threw away their Edoid language for an Igboid one.

Worst still, Ika had never been in the same political space with SE Igbos since 1914, they had always been with Edos.

pazienza:


Ibani still exists as a second language in Bonny and Opobo.

All inter trading will cause is bilingualism, especially when there is no colonial power at play. Idoma communities at Enugu/Ebonyi - Benue border are bilingual in Idoma and Igbo language, likewise those Enugu/Ebonyi neighbors of the Idomas Who are also bilingual in Igbo and Idoma to ease trade between the two groups.

Stop supporting irrationality, how can Ika just a stone throw to Bini, and who had shown nothing but hate to Igbo tag throw away their Bini language for an Igbo one when right in the same Ika, the real Edo migrants amongst them, called Oza nogogo people continue to speak an Edoids language as their first language even unto this day, while they speak Igboid language as a second language.

Even Urhobo and Isoko that migrated from Bini and had lost territorial contact with Bini still speak an Edoid language till today.

Please stop being mischievous in your support of irrationality, any rational mind can see the lies inherent in a Bini loving, and Igbophobic Ika, that threw away their Edoid language for an Igboid one.

Worst still, Ika had never been in the same political space with SE Igbos since 1914, they had always been with Edos.

I am not supporting anything. Just wanted us to debate the issue a little bit but you've made a stronger argument here so I rest my case.

pazienza:


Ibani still exists as a second language in Bonny and Opobo.

All inter trading will cause is bilingualism, especially when there is no colonial power at play. Idoma communities at Enugu/Ebonyi - Benue border are bilingual in Idoma and Igbo language, likewise those Enugu/Ebonyi neighbors of the Idomas Who are also bilingual in Igbo and Idoma to ease trade between the two groups.

Stop supporting irrationality, how can Ika just a stone throw to Bini, and who had shown nothing but hate to Igbo tag throw away their Bini language for an Igbo one when right in the same Ika, the real Edo migrants amongst them, called Oza nogogo people continue to speak an Edoids language as their first language even unto this day, while they speak Igboid language as a second language.

Even Urhobo and Isoko that migrated from Bini and had lost territorial contact with Bini still speak an Edoid language till today.

Please stop being mischievous in your support of irrationality, any rational mind can see the lies inherent in a Bini loving, and Igbophobic Ika, that threw away their Edoid language for an Igboid one.

Worst still, Ika had never been in the same political space with SE Igbos since 1914, they had always been with Edos.

what does bilingualism lead to? Do you think all these happen in a century? If you think a language like Igbo needs to be political affiliation with any lesser group to displace their language, then you need to have your head checked. BTW, only dishonest Ikas attribute everything to trade or missionaries activities. The relationship is more than just that. But not anywhere close to what you've been postulating.

Cire80:
what does bilingualism lead to? Do you think all these happen in a century? If you think a language like Igbo needs to be political affiliation with any lesser group to displace their language, then you need to have your head checked. BTW, only dishonest Ikas attribute everything to trade or missionaries activities. The relationship is more than just that. But not anywhere close to what you've been postulating.

Lol! How in hell did an Igbophobic Ika that is Edophilic, and immediate neighbors of Binis, end up speaking Igboid language (language of a people they obviously don't want to identify with and don't love) in place of their supposedly previous Edoid language.

Igbos also traded with Igalas, Idomas, Ogonis, Ibibio, Annang, Efiks, Ekoids, all it resulted was in bilingualism at the border communities of those groups with Igbos.

This is the challenge before you Edophilic Ikas.

This is the true test of your rationality, and so far, you have failed and continue to fail to produce a rational answer to that question.

The Shame will forever be on you lots.

Languages go extinct. Language shift occurs and it doesn't necessarily require any specific process to occur. Only a fool think that what happens to A must replicate itself exactly in B. If you agree that Ozanogogo is of Edo origin simply because they still retained their Edo language but argue that other parts of Agbor is not of Edo origin because Agbor lost their original tongue shows how ignorant you are about Ozanogogo history Do not sound like you are an authority in a subject you know nothing about.

Let me school you a little. Agbor has 11 villages but out of these 11, 6 were Ika speaking and 5 Edo speaking within the last century. But come to Agbor today, only one village is truly Edo speaking and the remaining 4 Edoid speakers are fastly turning Ika speakers to a high extent.

Also go to the Odiani people of Aniocha. There were originally 5 or 6 Odiani clans but today only Ogbodu group is truly Olukumi speaking. We all know the efforts they are putting into protecting their language. Another clan that also retained their language is Ukun Nzor but not as much as the Ugbodu guys. The rest have lost their languages to a very high extent.

So according to your anology, these recently Edoid speaking villages (Alelihan, Alison etc) in Agbor are originally Igbo speaking like the other 6 Ika speaking villages (though theres no Igbo speaking village in Agbor) because they lost their Edoid tongue?

And the those Odiani clans that lost their Igala and Olukumi languages are originally Igbo speaking because they lost their languages, and their counterpart Odiani clans are the originally Olukumi/Igala speaking? So what happens tomorrow if Ozanogogo, Ugbodu and Uku Nzun loses their language? You will say they are originally Igbo speaking? Or you will agree that they are orinally Olukumi/Igala speaking because you witnessed the language switch? If you only believe what you witnessed, you don't have business commenting on a historical thread.

Within the last couple of decades, Ika has lost tons of Edo words in our language. Igbo is fastly displacing the Edo /Ika words. Language switch takes centuries to occur. It happens to different groups at different points in history. Only a fool expects anything to be uniformed. They start by bilingualism before complete switching. Igbo is a majority language just like Hausa. Go to the North and see what Hausa language is doing to Northern languages. Lots of the languages have gone extinct and some only exists as second language or among the the elders. But the good thing is, these people still retained their cultures just like we in Ika.

pazienza:


Lol! How in hell did an Igbophobic Ika that is Edophilic, and immediate neighbors of Binis, end up speaking Igboid language (language of a people they obviously don't want to identify with and don't love) in place of their supposedly previous Edoid language.

Igbos also traded with Igalas, Idomas, Ogonis, Ibibio, Annang, Efiks, Ekoids, all it resulted was in bilingualism at the border communities of those groups with Igbos.

This is the challenge before you Edophilic Ikas.

This is the true test of your rationality, and so far, you have failed and continue to fail to produce a rational answer to that question.

The Shame will forever be on you lots.

Ikas are Edophilic? What an ignorant fool you are. Ikas only protect their history from foolish Igbos that are consciously trying to foist themselves in everybody's history. Very shameless set of people. We are now igbophobic because we don't allow you guys to fabricate our history? Why are you guys so shameless?

Cire80:
Languages go extinct. Language shift occurs and it doesn't necessarily require any specific process to occur. Only a fool think that what happens to A must replicate itself exactly in B. If you agree that Ozanogogo is of Edo origin simply because they still retained their Edo language but argue that other parts of Agbor is not of Edo origin because Agbor lost their original tongue shows how ignorant you are about Ozanogogo history Do not sound like you are an authority in a subject you know nothing about.

Let me school you a little. Agbor has 11 villages but out of these 11, 6 were Ika speaking and 5 Edo speaking within the last century. But come to Agbor today, only one village is truly Edo speaking and the remaining 4 Edoid speakers are fastly turning Ika speakers to a high extent.

Also go to the Odiani people of Aniocha. There were originally 5 or 6 Odiani clans but today only Ogbodu group is truly Olukumi speaking. We all know the efforts they are putting into protecting their language. Another clan that also retained their language is Ukun Nzor but not as much as the Ugbodu guys. The rest have lost their languages to a very high extent.

So according to your anology, these recently Edoid speaking villages (Alelihan, Alison etc) in Agbor are originally Igbo speaking like the other 6 Ika speaking villages (though theres no Igbo speaking village in Agbor) because they lost their Edoid tongue?

And the those Odiani clans that lost their Igala and Olukumi languages are originally Igbo speaking because they lost their languages, and their counterpart Odiani clans are the originally Olukumi/Igala speaking? So what happens tomorrow if Ozanogogo, Ugbodu and Uku Nzun loses their language? You will say they are originally Igbo speaking? Or you will agree that they are orinally Olukumi/Igala speaking because you witnessed the language switch? If you only believe what you witnessed, you don't have business commenting on a historical thread.

Within the last couple of decades, Ika has lost tons of Edo words in our language. Igbo is fastly displacing the Edo /Ika words. Language switch takes centuries to occur. It happens to different groups at different points in history. Only a fool expects anything to be uniformed. They start by bilingualism before complete switching. Igbo is a majority language just like Hausa. Go to the North and see what Hausa language is doing to Northern languages. Lots of the languages have gone extinct and some only exists as second language or among the the elders. But the good thing is, these people still retained their cultures just like we in Ika.

1. Language shift happen, yes! But no such language shift happened in Ika, we all know this, why, because no factor to cause such language shift exists in Igbo people, this can be seen in all the non Igbo groups surrounding Igbos that retained all their indigenous language and only became bilingual.
Ika that is miles away from SE and directly contagious with Bini by land, can't lose its Bini language to Igbo language. No logic or rationality supports this.

Every one conversant with Agbor history know that Oza people were recent Edo migrants to the part of Agbor they occupy and are customary tenants to Ikas of Agbor. The rest of Oza people are in Edo state, and they still speak Edoid first language while the rest of Ika is in Edo state and they still speak IGBOID and not Edoid language there, despite centuries of existing under Bini dominion.

You school no one, I'm conversant with Agbor history, they were all Igboid speaking since antiquity, even the so called Edo migrated ones.

Olukumi people only became bilingual in Igbo and Olukumi. Their Olukumi though dying, still survive till today, despite being completely surrounded by Enu ani speakers,and their land very far away from the nearest Yoruba community in Ondo, yet you want us to believe that Ika that share land boundary with Binis lost their Edoid language entirely with no iota of bilingualism in Edoid and Igboid languages. Do you see how irrational you sound?

You lots are pathetic.

pazienza:


1. Language shift happen, yes! But no such language shift happened in Ika, we all know this, why, because no factor to cause such language shift exists in Igbo people, this can be seen in all the non Igbo groups surrounding Igbos that retained all their indigenous language and only became bilingual.
Ika that is miles away from SE and directly contagious with Bini by land, can't lose its Bini language to Igbo language. No logic or rationality supports this.

Every one conversant with Agbor history know that Oza people were recent Edo migrants to the part of Agbor they occupy and are customary tenants to Ikas of Agbor. The rest of Oza people are in Edo state, and they still speak Edoid first language while the rest of Ika is in Edo state and they still speak IGBOID and not Edoid language there, despite centuries of existing under Bini dominion.

You school no one, I'm conversant with Agbor history, they were all Igboid speaking since antiquity, even the so called Edo migrated ones.

Olukumi people only became bilingual in Igbo and Olukumi. Their Olukumi though dying, still survive till today, despite being completely surrounded by Enu ani speakers,and their land very far away from the nearest Yoruba community in Ondo, yet you want us to believe that Ika that share land boundary with Binis lost their Edoid language entirely with no iota of bilingualism in Edoid and Igboid languages. Do you see how irrational you sound?

You lots are pathetic.

I'm done with you if you only pick points to respond. And your responses are always filled with lies and ignorance. Your comments have shown that You don't know any single thing about Agbor history apart from those you learnt on Nairaland.

You know that Oza are recent migrants but don't know when they arrived? If truly they are recent migrants, isn't that enough reason they are recently getting affected? And you ignored my comment about some of the other recently Edoid group that only switched within the last century. I have so many things to ask you but I already decided to ignore you and your ignorance.

Cire80:
I'm done with you if you only pick points to respond. And your responses are always filled with lies and ignorance. Your comments have shown that You don't know any single thing about Agbor history apart from those you learnt on Nairaland.

You know that Oza are recent migrants but don't know when they arrived? If truly they are recent migrants, isn't that enough reason they are recently getting affected? And you ignored my comment about some of the other recently Edoid group that only switched within the last century. I have so many things to ask you but I already decided to ignore you and your ignorance.

Lol! Getting frustrated already? Well that's what happens when you have no rational points to present.

Keep roaming. The shame is on you lots.

pazienza:


Lol! Getting frustrated already? Well that's what happens when you have no rational points to present.

Keep roaming. The shame is on you lots.

your ignorance is frustrating. Some jobless people would have time for your likes but not me. I would have continued if you responded to my points but you mischievously ignored them.

Any truthful soul here knows that you deliberately ignored my questions that were bigger than you. Don't argue with your likes.

fratermathy:


I am not supporting anything. Just wanted us to debate the issue a little bit but you've made a stronger argument here so I rest my case.

You still think he's made a stronger argument here?

kpaminose:
You still think he's made a stronger argument here?

A stronger argument doesn't mean he's right. I conceded because I really don't know much about Ika history for me to prove any point.

fratermathy:


A stronger argument doesn't mean he's right. I conceded because I really don't know much about Ika history for me to prove any point.

The truth is Ikas ethnicity is not up for debate. We know who we are. We know our history and our origin. He's been peddling lies and basing everything on language as if Ika is basically Igbo.

Cire80:
your ignorance is frustrating. Some jobless people would have time for your likes but not me. I would have continued if you responded to my points but you mischievously ignored them.

Ol' boy e don do abeg, I no wan laugh again today.... nothing wey person no go see for NL!

ehikwe22:
The truth is Ikas ethnicity is not up for debate. We know who we are. We know our history and our origin. He's been peddling lies and basing everything on language as if Ika is basically Igbo.

Cire80:
Ikas are Edophilic? What an ignorant fool you are. Ikas only protect their history from foolish Igbos that are consciously trying to foist themselves in everybody's history. Very shameless set of people. We are now igbophobic because we don't allow you guys to fabricate our history? Why are you guys so shameless?

Chimo!! This is known as finishing of the highest order!

as an urhobo boy I would like to correct; in urhobo, head-uyovwi not olori, beans-esan nt ewa,king-ovie not oba
, however to put more urhobo/igbo words ugo- eagle, okoro-man,eki- market, ejobi,okere(name of an urhobo kingdom). urhobo use omo and umu(Yoruba and Igbo) for child as ,omonigho and umukoro, there are also Bini,isan,Hausa,Ijaw, and Portuguese words in urhobo

Hi peeps.. I haven't create any new thread recently due to some reasons best known To me, Although I still Remain your loyal boy "Goodboiyy" . Below are some Igbo and Yoruba word used in Urhobo language.

1. Biko : Biko is an Igbo word for "Please" And it means same in Urhobo, in Urhobo you usually hear word like "Oghene' biko keme' Igho" Meaning "God please Give me money".

2. Olori : Olori is a Yoruba Word for Head .. in Urhobo it means the same thing..

3. Orgor' : Orgor' is an Igbo word for 'Inlaw'. It means the same thing in Urhobo.. for example I might say "Oniovo Orgor we' nkor " meaning 'brother how is Your Inlaw ".

4. Omo' : Omo'r is a Yoruba word for Child, It has same meaning in Urhobo.. I can make statement like " e' Freemanan Omo'r meh' … meaning "Freemanan is my Son"

5. Obara' : Obara is an Igbo word for blood.. It means Same In Urhobo.. Why The Igbo woman will shout "Obara Jesus" and Urhobo Woman will say "Oba'rah' Re' Jesu"

6. Jesu' : Jesu' is an Yoruba word for Jesus . its still the same in Urhobo

7. Ew'a : Ew'a is another Yoruba word for Beans and its thesame with Urhobo. Ew'a is pronounced in Urhobo exactly thesame with That of Yoruba

8. OBA : OBA is a Yoruba word for king , We still use it in Urhobo.. If we Want to Call God.. we say Oba' risi' meaning " King Of The Word"

9. Akpere : Is a Yoruba word for basket, it means the same Thing in Urhobo

10. Ego : Its an Igbo word for Money.. in Urhobo we say Igho .. I believe the word belongs to Igboid.

11. ejime : Its an Igbo word for Twins, Its spelt and Pronounced The same in Urhobo

12. Osusu : Is a Yoruba Word for Monthly savings. Its the same in Urhobo

Pls don't derail the thread. THANKS

Urhobo also call money igho

ehikwe22:
Did you just say unprecedented in the history of human for a people to completely (wasn't completely) discard their language without the use of force? Did you write that out of ignorance or out of cheer mischief?

Are you for real? What evidences of a dead language do they usually have? What exactly do you mean by that? And how are you expecting a dead language if the original language is still in existence and being used by a neighboring group? Isn't it the way it is with the Bayelsa and Rivers group that were originally Ijoid but now greatly Igboid?

And for your third point, you sound so unintelligent to expect everything to work the same in all circumstances. What a straight line way of thinking.

Yes!
It is unprecedented in history.

If you have an example, give it to me, and I would dissect the example and tell you why it's not fitting.

Edo language was completely supposedly left in Ika, Ikwerre, etc.
What Ika speak is an Igbo language, corrupted by Bini words here and there as should be expected, considering the unending influx of Edo speaking people into an originally Igbo speaking Ika area since the dawn of time, the language of Ika is Igboid and not Edoid .
Meanwhile, Degema (Udekeme) in far away Rivers state still retained their Edoid language.

I expect Ika to be bilingual in Edoid and current Igboid language, with the Edoid one dying, if indeed an Edoid language was the original language of Ikas.
Just as we have in Odiani (Ugbodu and co), where the original Yoruboid language is dying/dead, and currently replaced by Igbo (Enu ani) language,making Odiani people a bilingual people.
The same is applicable in Ebu, an originally Igala speaking town in Anioma, where they are currently bilingual in Igala and Igbo.

No single Ijoid group was converted to Igboid in Bayelsa or Rivers, if you have any, mention them here.
Despite great influx of Igbo people into Kalabari, mainly Aro people, their mercenaries like Abam warriors, and their Slaves (Igbos) , for example Asari Dokubo lineage are Igbo from Abam Igbo clan, Kalabari remained Ijaw speaking, with few loaned Igbo words used by them here and there.

You are the unintelligent one. History follows logic, what you propose is illogical and you are upset that we are pointing it out.

What is the meaning of Oniovo doh in Urhobo language and the response to that??

SamgoldBaba:
What is the meaning of Oniovo doh in Urhobo language and the response to that??

If loosely translated, it means "Well done, my friend".

Response can also be "Doh".

fratermathy:



If loosely translated, it means "Well done, my friend".

Response can also be "Doh".

Wadoo!

SamgoldBaba:
What is the meaning of Oniovo doh in Urhobo language and the response to that??

Oniovo means brother/sister/family member

Doh- can mean well-done, welcome, sorry, please, thank you, greet you, e. t. c

so oniovo doh can mean many tinz

we just beg u guyz not to derail this thread now, every thread on nl must not be igbo vs somebody, e nor dey tire una?