sukkot:
you are dealing with the solar system. i am speaking about the whole universe. our solar system is just a piece of the whole pie. now i see why you are confused.

Teempakguy:
in trying to apply your logic to answering the question, it gets changed. it becomes,

what if you were about to die, and you had cried out to God and he had failed you and all you had was science who could cure you and you had a wife and a small child and you cared about them, would you or would you not seek medical help?

Hosea 4:6

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee

and apparently, you wouldn't. because that's just how dumb you've become over the years. and your reason would be that you know that science is not real and can't do anything to change your situation.

anyway, this is not the question i asked and hence not the answer i need. i asked you why you can't perform miracles. not . . . this.

apparently, you don't have a good eye for sarcasm as well.

sukkot:
you must be drunk. go and sleep. screensaver ? lmao. conversation over

inside each constellations are stars and nebulae and black-holes. these are solid delineations not ' screensavers ' as you so delicately put it.

Teempakguy:
what the hell are you talking about? this logic does not follow.

disbelieving in Gaia does not mean that i don't believe the earth doesn't exist. i just don't believe that the earth is gaia.

also, atheists do not disbelieve in everything termed God, but however, everything worshiped as god. i could name my pet God. i could create a game and have Gods in it. kratos is "God of War" from a game. you don't see me worshipping him or arguing that he is real.

you know, i think a more better way to intuitively get my point across on the stance of atheism is to consider not the concept of God, but the concept of religion. atheists believe in one less religion than ,monotheists. hence, atheists do not believe in any religion.

Teempakguy:
i thought you were saying that the sun is sitting under them?

anyway, on the scale of the universe, your claims are even more incredulous because the celestial sphere, again, is imaginary, constellations, are random patterns of sky, the sun is orbiting a black hole and this has no effect whatsoever on eclipses, and nothing orbits anything in the space of 360 days. '

you have been reading the wrong information. i seriously doubt if you are a scientist.

donnffd:


No need for insults, and moreover, i said screensaver or backdrop as a metaphor, Does the sun rises in the east and sets in the west for a planet spining opposite to the direction earth is spinning... the simple answer is no...in relation to all the bodies in the solar system, the sun is stationary, its from the planets perpective that it appears to be changing be it from east to west or west to east, its all depends on you, the observer moving around it...There is no constellations as in group of stars in a particular way, its people on earth that group these stars and call them constellations because they noticed a periodic appearance of these set of stars on the night sky...and what is causing that is the revolution of the earth around the sun.

sukkot:
you are a confused person. there is nothing imaginary about the celestial sphere. the delineations are fixed and marked by certain key stars. your knowledge is obviously just limited to the 9 planets and the sun so this conversation is over.

KingEbukasBlog:


1. God can't fail me

2. Its a win win for me . I mean people pray before going for surgical operation . Science simply studies God's work and God is not against science . That's why the other guy used palm oil . If someone is about to drown and God uses someone to rescue him , a sensible thing to do is to go for a quick medical check up .



God strongly detests foolishness .





You have a very shallow understanding of what science means . I knew this , that's why I said : "Science has failed you ..." just to titillate you .



Miracles are God's intervention in human affairs . And yes I have , can , will continue performing miracles . Every christian has the power of God in him/her




Damage control ? Its allowed tho

KingEbukasBlog:
@ FOLYKAZE

Does that mean that since I'm a christian and an atheist to every other god - tress , sun - that is worshiped (acknowledgement in your definition ) then they dont exist?

Elucidate please

FOLYKAZE:


Morning star is part of the solar planets na.

Lecture them on that abeg

sukkot:
you are a confused person. there is nothing imaginary about the celestial sphere. the delineations are fixed and marked by certain key stars. your knowledge is obviously just limited to the 9 planets and the sun so this conversation is over.

Teempakguy:
yeah, right. God is not against science whereas the very cursing of humanity stemmed from a woman accepting a logical argument and satisfying her curiosity. the basic principles of science. yeah right, he loves it in fact.

God is failing you already. you have repeatedly tried over the years to convert the atheists on this forum and you have been unsuccessful. have you not prayed? or was God on vacation? as elijah would say.

orisa37:
Thiest means Godist. Athiest is attacking Thiest, endevouring to find better understanding of his faith.
There is a target qualification for a Thiest, but until doomsday, there can be no target of knowledge, qualification and recognition for an athiest.

sukkot:
very true. the morning star is the second planet from the sun. venus, that is

FOLYKAZE:


There is difference between non-belief and disbelieve in existence.

Christians are non-believers not atheist to other Gods.

This same christianity acknowledge existence of other Gods like Zeus, Baal and other. It acknowledge trees, stars, Idols were worshipped as God. It acknowledge money is a God because it is been worshipped. Though they tag this God as impotent and not supreme or false idol but do not rule out there existence like atheists.

Atheism is not just disbelieve in God but disbelieve in the existence of God.


Copy?

FOLYKAZE:


Some sect in buddhism do not hold believe in God. Yet they are theists

Teempakguy:
this is why most atheists consider theists to be quite the unwise individuals.

wikipedia article. on celestial sphere.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_sphere

"In astronomy and navigation, the celestial sphere is an imaginary sphere of arbitrarily large radius, concentric with Earth. All objects in the observer's sky can be thought of as projected upon the inside surface of the celestial sphere, as if it were the underside of a dome or a hemispherical screen. The celestial sphere is a practical tool for spherical astronomy, allowing observers to plot positions of objects in the sky when their distances are unknown or unimportant."

as a scientist, the mention of astronomy and navigation should be a dead giveaway that it's just an abstract concept. but i guess when your education is an half baked one, you tend not to notice such things.

FOLYKAZE:


Who is morning star, Jesus or Lucifer?

Teempakguy:
no . . . you see, your basic premise here is that God is one person. no. god is simply a human construct and varies along human cultures. buddhist don't believe in your god they believe in their god which they think is real. both Gods are not real. but each sect thinks their version is real while ignoring the others. atheism takes a bold step to recognize that none of the Gods are real. they are all figments of imagination..


for instance, greeks believe the sea belongs to poseidon. romans believe the sea belongs to neptune. they are both wrong. because the sea belongs to neither of these Gods. but each sect believes they are right.

KingEbukasBlog:


Say what!? Me trying to convert who . Please dont be delusional . I enjoy having arguments and the Religion section was the sure bet .

Gerrarra here mehn .. shiiittt

sukkot:
you are making absolutely no points. the conclusion here is that all these things are too intelligently designed and work in clockwork precision for it to be random happenstance. i submit that all this is controlled by a higher power. YAH. now how you worship that higher power ought to be the bone of contention and not whether he exists or not. i also submit that going to church like a religious nutbag while being deceived and swindled by fake pastors is not the way to worship the Most High. I submit that you worship him with your good deeds. obey the laws and commandments. do not steal, cheat etc etc. that is the conclusion of the whole matter

Teempakguy:
unfortunately for you, i don't permit damage control.

you are of course, disobeying the bible which says in mark 16 that you are to preach to all creatures.

i have now identified two factors which disprove your . . . wait, i have now identified four factors which disprove your claim of christianity.

1. you call people fools. which is prohibited by jesus.
2. you own material possessions, which is also prohibited by jesus.
3. you cannot perform miracles, and have hence failed the litmus test for true christianity.
4. you are not preaching the word to all creations. preferring rather to engage yourself in pointless arguments. who are you to put your love for arguments above the divine directive of your God and Master?

we're done here.killing two birds with one stone,

1. we have proved you wrong once. the celestial sphere was in fact imaginary. contrary to your claims. what makes you think i will entertain any further claims from you without evidence?

sukkot:
Jesus is Lucifer. Lucifer is a title. it means ' illuminated one ' or you can say ' enlightened one '. Lucifer is a good title to have. however how you use your luciferian powers is what determines if you are a good lucifer or a bad lucifer. Jesus is a good Lucifer. Satan is a bad lucifer

they are both morning star. lucifer means morning star and Jesus is Lucifer

FOLYKAZE:


A christian who disbelieve in Jehovah could still acknowledge the existence of other Gods. Apostle paul affirmed that there many Gods both in heaven and earth.

Christians also disbelieve in other Gods like Brahman and Buddha just like atheists. The difference is that atheists disbelieve in one lesset God than christians. One lesser God mean everything know as God. This implies that atheists disbelieve in everything termed God.

Gaia is a greek goddess which is Earth. disbelieving in Gaia means you don't believe earth exist. Hope you see the insanity of atheism?

FOLYKAZE:


KingEbukablog come and see o.

Jesus is lucifer.

Obadiah777 aka Sukkot aka the armageddon priest doing it again

FOLYKAZE:


KingEbukablog come and see o.

Jesus is lucifer.

Obadiah777 aka Sukkot aka the armageddon priest doing it again

Stconvict:

Actually, it is your position in atheism that represents insanity. We do believe in the existence of earth. But why do we have to call it Gaia, or even call it a goddess or even stupidly worship it for whatever reason?
You are not making sense. Why give them names or personalise them? Well except you are a poet. But the rest of us are not poets!

sukkot:
yes Jesus is Lucifer.

revelation 2 vs 28 They will have the same authority I received from my Father, and I will also give them the morning star! << LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THE MORNING STAR IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE. IT IS A CELESTIAL GIFT BESTOWED ON THE RIGHTEOUS. SEE THE THING WITH AFRICANS AND ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE IS THAT THEY NEVER UNDERSTAND THE ETYMOLOGY OF WORDS OR WHAT WORDS MEAN. THEY JUST BLINDLY FOLLOW THE CROWD AND AS SUCH ARE KNEE DEEP IN MYTHOLOGICAL ALLOCATION OF MEANING TO CERTAIN WORDS. LIKE THE WORD OCCULT ? OCCULT IS NOT A BAD WORD, BUT TO AN AFRICAN IT IS VERY BAD. OCCULT JUST MEANS HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE. ETC ETC

Lucifer has its meaning and is Satan's name . Its like a beautiful girl named Amaka . Amaka means beauty . That does not mean every beautiful girl's name is Amaka

FOLYKAZE:


KingEbukablog come and see o.

Jesus is lucifer.

Obadiah777 aka Sukkot aka the armageddon priest doing it again

sukkot:
yes Jesus is Lucifer.

revelation 2 vs 28 They will have the same authority I received from my Father, and I will also give them the morning star! << LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THE MORNING STAR IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE. IT IS A CELESTIAL GIFT BESTOWED ON THE RIGHTEOUS. SEE THE THING WITH AFRICANS AND ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE IS THAT THEY NEVER UNDERSTAND THE ETYMOLOGY OF WORDS OR WHAT WORDS MEAN. THEY JUST BLINDLY FOLLOW THE CROWD AND AS SUCH ARE KNEE DEEP IN MYTHOLOGICAL ALLOCATION OF MEANING TO CERTAIN WORDS. LIKE THE WORD OCCULT ? OCCULT IS NOT A BAD WORD, BUT TO AN AFRICAN IT IS VERY BAD. OCCULT JUST MEANS HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE. ETC ETC

Later Christian tradition came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer" for the devil; as he was before his fall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

KingEbukasBlog:


Lol

Lucifer has its meaning and is Satan's name . Its like a beautiful girl named Amaka . Amaka means beauty . That does not mean every beautiful girl's name is Amaka