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Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by madjnr: 8:07am On Nov 22, 2015 |
true2god:there isn't any cos you guys choose not to follow the bible wholeheartedly... you only select parts that suits you and follow... |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by true2god: 8:12am On Nov 22, 2015 |
madjnr:Yes it is not by force to live in saudi arabia but the saudis are the greatest evil force on earth (even before the US before the US is also an evil nation and a close friend to saudi arabia). This is because the saudis kill whoever abandom islam but are spending billions of dollars to convert other people to islam by building big mosques in europe and america but will not allow a single church or synagogue on saudi soil. Saudi arabia is also the largest sponsor of terrorism and wahabi islam (the pure islam of mohammed) worldwide. 1 Like |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by opey25(m): 8:21am On Nov 22, 2015 |
true2god:All Muslims in living in KSA are aware that apostasy is punishable by death. Anyone that want to convert to other religions can quietly leave KSA and go elsewhere in order to avoid the punishment. Vatican City is regarded as a sovereign state,do you think anyone will be permitted to openly profess any other religion except christianity. 1 Like |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by true2god: 8:23am On Nov 22, 2015 |
madjnr:Muslims follow the sunnah of the islamic prophet right, just as the christians follow the teachings of christ (as their lord and personal saviour). Can you show me anywhere Jesus asked people to kill\kill anyone who does not follow him or his teachings? I am not denying the fact that in the old testament (the judaism part of the abrahamic faith), moses commanded that anyone, among the Jews, that follow pagan idols should be put to death. That law was made for the Jewish people, a distinct race and culture, and not a universal law (like what you have today in islam). The Jewish law of moses is not binding on non-Jews and there is no anytime in history that the Jew try to convert anyone to their religion. So dont use the draconian Jewish law, given over 3000 years ago (which they are no longer following) to justify the current evil and barbaric islamic apostasy law. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by true2god: 8:31am On Nov 22, 2015 |
opey25:I hate the vatican and I am no loyal to them. As a matter of fact the quran was read in the vatican this year (and on a yearly basis) when saudi sheiks were invited to the vatican for inter-faith dialogue. Do you think a bible can be read in saudi arabia openly? Never. The catholics are the greatest enabler of islam because their way are almost the same, just that the catholics are currently more humane and civilized (they are birds of a feather) Do you think the saudis can host the inter-faith dialogue? Never. |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Annunaki(m): 8:32am On Nov 22, 2015 |
Demmzy15: You refuted nothing even at that you are yet to provide any credible evidence of your acclaimed age for Mary and Joseph at the time of marriage. This lie was obviously invented by muslim al taquiya experts to justify mohamed's perversion. I challenge you to provide a credible link to the story here. |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by fr3do(m): 9:36am On Nov 22, 2015 |
madjnr: Keep living in denial Where have you seen christians sentence backslidders? Islam's intolerance will destroy it! |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by mahdino: 10:02am On Nov 22, 2015 |
gimakon:That is the constitution they all ageed to follow, so if one you even in the western nation commit a treasonable offense what is the penalty? |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by mahdino: 10:05am On Nov 22, 2015 |
bumi10: That is the constitution they all ageed to follow, so if one you even in the western nation commit a treasonable offense what is the penalty? Even in th United State death is the penalty for treason |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Ayt27(m): 10:06am On Nov 22, 2015 |
[color=#990000][/color] [/quote][quote author=madjnr post=40257164]seems like the bible is more inhumane in dealing with apostate How is the bible more inhumane when it comes to dealing with apostasy? |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Ayt27(m): 10:21am On Nov 22, 2015 |
Concerning the issue of Joseph and Mary their ages was nowhere stated in the bible, but one thing we do know is, she was blessed amongst women by angel Gabriel and by her cousin Elizabeth. Also Joseph Mary's husband isn't consequential to Christianity, if an old scroll turns up and it proves Joseph was a murderer,rapist and a thief, it wouldn't change anything about our beliefs. The bible would still be our bible whereas the Mohammed was highly fundamental in Islam if not the roots of Islam beliefs, hence his followers are likely to emulate his steps. N.B The apocryphal is considered by many as a book having doubts of being inspired by God, that's why it's not included in most bibles. |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Nobody: 10:54am On Nov 22, 2015 |
mahdino: So leaving Muslim is now Treason? |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Demmzy15(m): 11:13am On Nov 22, 2015 |
true2god: I never denied the hadiths, you're just trying to be relevant when you're not. If I denied the hadith then you can't argue with me because you'll have no proves. Aisha was 9years when she married the Prophet Muhammad and Mary was 12years when she married 90years old Joseph! [s]I am not forcing any muslim to leave islam but just pointing out the fact that islamic prophet is not a decent man, using the quran and the hadith. Am I the one that wrote the quran and the hadith? No. Original muslims (the arabs) do not deny the hadith which exposed the criminalities of your prophet, they rather view mohammed deeds as a noble thing but you fake nigerian muslims (who arabs see as fake and arab slaves) would rather spend all your time and energy emotionally defending the arabain baddest man and slave trader, Mohammed ibn Abdullah (slave of allahh).Irrelevant! |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Demmzy15(m): 11:43am On Nov 22, 2015 |
Annunaki:At lest the link is open for any reasonable person to see |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by CoolUsername: 12:33pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
madjnr:People are born in countries FYI, and moving abroad costs money that not everyone has. 1 Like |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Annunaki(m): 12:37pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
Demmzy15: Where is the link na? Post the article here with a link to it's source if you know you are telling the truth and not lying for allahh. |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Demmzy15(m): 1:08pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
Annunaki:Check up, my post to true2god! |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Annunaki(m): 1:19pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
Demmzy15: I have checked it, it's not there. All I saw was baseless allegations probably copied from an al taquiya muslim website. I need a link to your acclaimed source of the catholic encyclopedia. |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Demmzy15(m): 1:28pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
Annunaki:Check here, it's ur tread Jagoon https://www.nairaland.com/2509652/pure-description-islam |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by trapQ: 3:12pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
This is invalid. Note: treason is punishable by death in "every" country, or almost every country. You can Google it. Because its a crime against the well being of your country and could lead to dispute or war between countries. This was the same reason OJUKWU fled, He knew he would have been killed. Passing the death sentence for apostasy is highly barbaric, mundane and unjustifiable. Only the primitive, stone age man practiced such inhumane acts. opey25: 1 Like |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by madjnr: 3:21pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
true2god:lol you're a hypocrite, hope you know that? so now there is Jewish law ,universal law and whatnot? maybe in your own bible... but Jesus said Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18) " It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled. |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by true2god: 3:32pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
madjnr:You are a potential terrorist for this post. Do you want christians to fall into the depraved level of muslims by start killing backsliders? Anyway arabs\muslims do not value life so I am not surprised. |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by HaneefahRN(f): 3:48pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
I have these views to share. - The actions of Muslims whether or not they claim to be in the name of Islam or the name of God are not to be equated with normative authentic Islam - The authentic Islamic teachings are based on a)Quran : The preserved, intact Word of God. b) Hadith: The Sunnah of the Prophet. The authenticity and strength of it's chain has to be taken into consideration As regards apostasy. Evidence in the Quran - There is no single verse in the Quran wc prescribes earthly punishment for apostasy. Verses only speak of God's punishment. Q4:137: 'Behold, as for those who come to blive then deny the truth, and again come to blive and again deny the truth, and thereafter grow stubborn in their denial of truth . God will not forgive him nor will guide them in any way' * It is notable in the above verse that had the Quran prescribed capital punishment for apostasy, the person wld av been killed at the 1st instance. -More revealing is the fact that there is overwhelming evidence in the Quran for freedom of conscience, belief and worship. Q18:29 'And say 'O Muhammad', the truth has now come from ur Sustainer. Let he who wills, blive it and let he who wills reject it' Q2:256'There shall be no compulsion in matters of faith' Q88:21-22 'And so, O Prophet, exhort them, ur task is only to exhort. You can't compel them (to blive)' Q60:8 - decrees that pple of all faith co-existing peacefully with Muslims must be accorded just and kind treatment. * Hadith- There are few reports alleging that the prophet ordered killing of apostates who refused to repent however they av been deemed weak and unauthentic by Scholars of Hadith due to the weakness in their chains of narration and therefore not reliable esp in serious matters like capital punishment and many more A case of apostasy reported in a book of hadith (Bukhari) considered the most authentic book of hadith. - Jabir Bn Abdullahi narrated a bedding pledged allegiance to the Prophet by accepting Islam and then he got a fever and went to the Prophet 'cancel my pledge' but the Prophet refused. He went agin asking to cancel his pledge, but the Prophet refused. He then left Medina ---' *The incident took place in Medical where the Muslims had an independent Islamic state, where the Prophet had full authority to implement Shariah. But he didn't call for the man to be arrested, punished nor killed. - The treaty of Hudayybiyyah was signed by the Prophet and idolatry. 'In wc if a Muslim in Madinah decides to apostate and go back to idolatry the Prophet wld allow him leave and vice versa' * some scholars justify apostasy by citing apparent safeguarding the Muslim Community and it's political entityfrom disintegration, yet the Prophet allowed apostasy even while Muslims were vulnerable and insecure. Apostasy can only warrant death penalty if the apostate committed other crimes like murder or instigating war. Like some apostates who had killed and mutilated a shepard after they had apostated and left |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by madjnr: 4:06pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
true2god:lol so you're smarter than Jesus and who ever your God is? lol so you subliminally admitted that you follow certain part of the bible that's easy for you the rest are just bullshit... what a hypocrite....I want Christians to follow the bible religiously not hand picking the parts that suits em |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Annunaki(m): 4:07pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
Demmzy15: I read it earlier and I repeat it was all baselees insinuations probably copied from an al taquiya islamic website. You lied it was from the catholic encyclopedia, supply the link to the story from the catholic encyclopedia and stop referring me to an ignorant post written by a certain al taquiya writing "demmzy15" who has zero credibility. If you can't do this just admit that you lied like a 'good' muslim should and apologise to forum members for lying to us. |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by madjnr: 4:11pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
true2god:if it's not by force to live there... why does what goes on in their land concerns you?? if you're hurt go start your own Christian nation |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Nobody: 4:12pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
true2god:Never wanted to participate in this thread but WTF man…catholics biggest enablers of islam? The crusades, the Spanish reconquista & inquisition, the Turkish Bell, Battle of Lepanto, the Gates of Vienna, the battle of tours, the Knights of St John, The Knights Hospitaller, Pope Urban ll, Pope Pius V etc all Catholics fighting Islam. If not for the heroics of these Catholics you wouldn't be a Protestant today but probably a Muslim. I agree though that a couple of our Popes have been unwisely politically correct when it comes to Islam. |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by madjnr: 4:13pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
fr3do:they don't cos they do not follow the bible... but it is mentioned in their book |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by madjnr: 4:15pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
Ayt27:read my post on the first page |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by madjnr: 4:17pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
Ayt27:was the prophet age and that of Aisha stated in the Quran? but you guys don't apply this logic when it comes to issues relating to Islam... you're all hypocrite |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by Annunaki(m): 4:29pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
madjnr: Do you have any idea what human rights mean Do you know how many millions of saudi citizens and muslims in other muslim nations have discovered that islam is false and want to renounce but fear for their lives? What is the point in having millions of people pretend to be muslims whilst in their hearts they hate islam with a passion yet they are forced to remain in it because of evil apotasy laws? |
Re: A Man Sentenced To Death For Renouncing Islam In Saudi Arabia by vooks: 4:29pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
madjnr: You are silly, are you saying that you only follow Quran and no hadiths? Would you then agree that the hadiths are corruption of the true faith of Islam and their followers are in danger of your version of hell? |
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