vooks:

I have asked you severally, what you understand by fulfilling. I will give you some Greek lesson behind the word if you are bright enough

mahdino:


Mister man you dont keep the laws so how can u fullfil it? You said the law is nail to the cross. And Jesus said anyone of you that does not keep the laws cannot get salvation. Matthew 5:17

madjnr:
how does one fulfilled the law without following it

Ayt27:
@ Demmzy15

I have always read your posts concerning the crusaders in your arguments and explanations even before I joined this forum.

There's been a lot of misconceptions about the crusades,

True! Like them eating dead Muslims, burning Jews in synagoues, wiping out generations and the rest.

but one thing that's as clear as a crystal ball is the crusades to the east is that "They were a direct response to Muslim aggression--an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands."

Christians of that time weren't fanatics and true that the muslims conquered all of Egypt, Syria, Spain even as far as Turkey (asia minor, which was a Christian land since the time of St Paul).

The propagation of Islam as always been by the sword,

We have over 100million Muslims in China, Indonesia has over 200million Muslims please could you tell me the Muslim army that conquered those lands and when?!

and the muslims of that time under their different sultans were thoroughly powerful, to the extent that christians in the East( Byzantine) the emperor in constantinople had to call for help from the Christians in the western europe.

As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire
Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was
born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for
the earliest caliphs, and it has remained so for Muslim
leaders for the next thousand years.

The response of the western europe christians and knights was what gave birth to what is known as the Crusades, the crusaders were not the brainchild of an overly ambitious pope but a response to more than four centuries of muslims which had already conquered two thirds of the old christian lands. At some point christianity as a faith and culture had to defend it's self or be consumed by Islam. That last line of defence is the Crusades.

I agree that there was a lot of pillaging, plundering, probably mass killings and such.

Both sides suffered casualties with the crusaders eventually over coming. The only reason the Islam scholars cry foul in relation to the crusade is because they never able to resist the force of the crusaders

Demmzy15:


Oh! That's nice, hope you enjoyed them.



True! Like them eating dead Muslims, burning Jews in synagoues, wiping out generations and the rest.



Wrong @underlined, Muslim Jihad was a response to Christianity wars and destruction.



You're not being honest here, you forgot to tell us all this lands were conquered by Christian armies. Lands which were Christians since the time of the apostles were mostly in minorities with pagans making the majority. Egypt for example had Coptic Christianity from St. Mark, but they were still persecuted by fellow Christians who conquered them, same with the Nestorian Christians who had to migrate to the land of pagans because they were considered heretics.



We have over 100million Muslims in China, Indonesia has over 200million Muslims please could you tell me the Muslim army that conquered those lands and when?!



The Emperor Alexius later got what he wanted after this same "messiah" plunged and raided the city of Constantinople. The Byzantine Empire was the first to transgress against the Muslims, please research this and stop trying to present Muslims as bad guys.



The Muslims had to conquer the rest of the Empire to ensure the safety of Muslims from an unpredictable enemy. Many treaties were signed and later broken, this same Christian empire persecuted and tortured other Christians it deemed heretics and the "heretics" were all protected by Muslims. In fact the Jews who have always been the primary target consider their Golden Age to be under Muslims.



Crusade was all about greed and blood drunk for power. Killing all(showing the true teachings of Christianity), no regard for humans. A Pope who was power drunk and used the crusade as an excuse to subdue the Byzantine Empire.



Yes all carried out by the Crusades.



The only Crusade which was successful to the extent was the 1st crusade, and the reason was because Muslims were not United and the Fatimid Rulers who were selfish and ruthless against the Muslims. Apart from that, the remaining were failures, remember Najm Ud Deen, Seljuks, Salah Ad Deen, Nur Ad Deen, etc.(May Allah have mercy on them) This were men who dealt with the crusaders.

Centuries later, Constantinople was conquered by Sultan Muhammad Al Fathi, so is it a victory or lose?!

Annunaki:


[s]You are such a pathetic bare faced liar, whereas the jihads started during lifetime of evil 'prophet' mohamed(sbuh) and continues till this day through isis, boko haram, al queda e.t.c the christian crusades started in the eleventh century and lasted only for two hundred years and it's an historical fact that the crusades were established to defend europe from marauding evil jihadist who were attempting to over run europe at that time. I have now come to understand that telling barefaced lies and even attempting to rewrite history to launder the evil image of islam is fair game and routine for most of you guys. I have also come to understand that your so called islamic scholars are specialist in telling lies and these lies are repeated so often that they and their followers now believe these lies or how else do you rationalise the most violent religion in the history of mankind having a "religion of peace" mantra as a catch phrase [/s]

Demmzy15:

Senseless rants from a Yoruba Christian!

Demmzy15:


Oh! That's nice, hope you enjoyed them.



True! Like them eating dead Muslims, burning Jews in synagoues, wiping out generations and the rest.



Wrong @underlined, Muslim Jihad was a response to Christianity wars and destruction.



You're not being honest here, you forgot to tell us all this lands were conquered by Christian armies. Lands which were Christians since the time of the apostles were mostly in minorities with pagans making the majority. Egypt for example had Coptic Christianity from St. Mark, but they were still persecuted by fellow Christians who conquered them, same with the Nestorian Christians who had to migrate to the land of pagans because they were considered heretics.



We have over 100million Muslims in China, Indonesia has over 200million Muslims please could you tell me the Muslim army that conquered those lands and when?!



The Emperor Alexius later got what he wanted after this same "messiah" plunged and raided the city of Constantinople. The Byzantine Empire was the first to transgress against the Muslims, please research this and stop trying to present Muslims as bad guys.



The Muslims had to conquer the rest of the Empire to ensure the safety of Muslims from an unpredictable enemy. Many treaties were signed and later broken, this same Christian empire persecuted and tortured other Christians it deemed heretics and the "heretics" were all protected by Muslims. In fact the Jews who have always been the primary target consider their Golden Age to be under Muslims.



Crusade was all about greed and blood drunk for power. Killing all(showing the true teachings of Christianity), no regard for humans. A Pope who was power drunk and used the crusade as an excuse to subdue the Byzantine Empire.



Yes all carried out by the Crusades.



The only Crusade which was successful to the extent was the 1st crusade, and the reason was because Muslims were not United and the Fatimid Rulers who were selfish and ruthless against the Muslims. Apart from that, the remaining were failures, remember Najm Ud Deen, Seljuks, Salah Ad Deen, Nur Ad Deen, etc.(May Allah have mercy on them) This were men who dealt with the crusaders.

Centuries later, Constantinople was conquered by Sultan Muhammad Al Fathi, so is it a victory or lose?!

gimakon:


Your understanding of the crusades are wrong. Read the information well and come back here to pint your facts right. If Islam were to be peaceful, Asians would not be attacking your mosque and burning them and also sending muslims away in present day and what religion is practised in greater Asia - Buddha! Not even Christianity.

Islam is really peace less

Pyrrho:
Are they still talking?

We all know Islam is opposite of peace.

Sharia rule isn't peaceful...
Dreadfully terrorizing combined with inhumane primitive insensitive immoral senseless way of living.

gimakon:


Your understanding of the crusades are wrong. Read the information well and come back here to pint your facts right. If Islam were to be peaceful, Asians would not be attacking your mosque and burning them and also sending muslims away in present day and what religion is practised in greater Asia - Buddha! Not even Christianity.

Islam is really peace less

Annunaki:


Is that all you have to say after bursting all your lies? I will be writing a lot more on the glorious crusades hence forth as al taquiya muslims like you are routinely attempting to rewrite history.

Which lies did you burst?! See this mumu o, I see you bursting saliva and spit on my phone screen rather than bursting lies. Olodo better face front before I burst slap for your face!

Ayt27:






Bro trust me there's nothing you can say that will convince even atheists(for I believe they are neutral) that a 90year old (Joseph) married a 12 year old (mary) especially if your source is an apocryphal. Also it's noteworthy to note that the first point in the link you pasted I.e first sentence states that "The chief sources of information on the life of St. Joseph are the first chapters of our first and third Gospels; they are practically also the only reliable sources. Meaning your source the Catholic encyclopedia admits the first chapter of the first and third gospels are PRACTICALLY also the only reliable source of the life of Joseph.

We can also assume that mary was not a child because of hints given to us in Luke 1:28 and Luke 1:42
The angel (Gabriel) says onto mary blessed art thou amongst WOMEN not girls, not the young ones, not little ones but women, so also does her cousin Elizabeth says unto her.

Demmzy15:

Sharrap jor, to you every Muslim is a terrorist or an aggressor. A Muslim man was lynched in India for supposedly eating beef, Muslims are persecuted by the so-called peaceful Buddhists of Burma, etc but you're OK with it because they're Muslims. As long as they're persecuted then you're OK, may God's wrath be upon you if you think like that.

Demmzy15:

Sharrap jor, to you every Muslim is a terrorist or an aggressor. A Muslim man was lynched in India for supposedly eating beef, Muslims are persecuted by the so-called peaceful Buddhists of Burma, etc but you're OK with it because they're Muslims. As long as they're persecuted then you're OK, may God's wrath be upon you if you think like that.

Pyrrho:
Islam is the only religion that encourages terror, and killing of men.

And don't even try to quote the Old Testament on this one, I'm not a Christian.

Nothing you say can change facts!

Christ preached love, budha taught peace.

What did mohammed teach?

We see the results from their followers.

Buddhists butchering Muslims but the world is saying nothing,Buddha is not to be blamed.

Christians peacefully deflowering women and killing, but Christ is not to be blamed.

Misguided Muslims killing and causing corruption on the earth, and Prophet Muhammad is to be blamed?! Isn't that a double standard?!

He (Peace be upon him) observed people's rights in terms of good neighborliness, as he said: ““The best of companions with Allah is the one who is best to his companion, and the best of neighbors with Him is the one who is best to his neighbor”.
The tradition included every neighbor, even if he was a non-Muslim.

Reported by At-Termidhi (1944) and authenticated by Al-Albani

Research Islam with an unbiased mind and you'll see the truth in it, the reason why billions still embrace it.

Salam

gimakon:


I don't wish any Muslim bad. I wish all of you well. But you need to Re write your Quran. That book...I leave it to God. it made you all like this.

Demmzy15:
We see the results from their followers.

Buddhists butchering Muslims but the world is saying nothing,Buddha is not to be blamed.

Christians peacefully deflowering women and killing, but Christ is not to be blamed.

Misguided Muslims killing and causing corruption on the earth, and Prophet Muhammad is to be blamed?! Isn't that a double standard?!

He (Peace be upon him) observed people's rights in terms of good neighborliness, as he said: ““The best of companions with Allah is the one who is best to his companion, and the best of neighbors with Him is the one who is best to his neighbor”.
The tradition included every neighbor, even if he was a non-Muslim.

Reported by At-Termidhi (1944) and authenticated by Al-Albani

Research Islam with an unbiased mind and you'll see the truth in it, the reason why billions still embrace it.

Salam

Demmzy15:

Look here Mister, I've got no time for mere conjectures and speculations. Give me an age, I need one!

Pyrrho:
Nope bro, not a chance.

As long as it's teachings encourages slaughters... it should be discarded

Mohammed killed, slaughtered, nothing even you can say anything to convince your extremist brothers.

They are the ones who needs to be chastised, but you know you can't, afterall it is the foundation Islam was built on... terror

How dare you challenge what mohammed himself did, wrote, and encouraged.

This is the standard of Islam, killing people who didn't choose to change their believes.
Believe is simply believe.

Don't cry foul here, nothing would justify killing people for their believes. Your standard brought about this subject in the first place.

Sorry

If you don't admit right here, right now that the entire Arab nation is wrong to kill people for the sake of their change in faith... You can never be right.

And if you are right Mohammed is wrong, simple. No bias, no shades, no deceits, no inhumane killings. Man must think, man must act on thoughts, you shouldn't kill becasue of that.

Ayt27:


I can't give you an age because my source( the bible ) didn't give me any age concerning the lives of Mary or Joseph. What it does indeed give me is at the very least that Mary wasn't twelve years old when she married Joseph, she was a woman.

Whereas the apocryphal where you got your ages from is
agreed by "Theological Scholars" as unreliable, can't be trusted.

If you can allow an unreliable and untrustworthy evidence/witness in your court, then I question your ethics, ability, integrity as a Judge.

For argument sake,let's say he married her at twelve years old while he was 90(lol). That doesn't change shiii about Christianity,

Yes bro!

why?

Because Joseph is not FUNDAMENTAL to Christianity.

We are followers of christ not of Joseph or Peter or Paul. Oh! by the way Peter and Paul are fundamental to Christianity so when you got dirt on them let me know

Demmzy15:
Study the Qur'an with an unbiased mind, there are reasons why some verses were revealed. Don't take everything out of context, get the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir and read. I believe you're open for the truth.

Demmzy15:


Oh! That's nice, hope you enjoyed them.



True! Like them eating dead Muslims, burning Jews in synagoues, wiping out generations and the rest.



Wrong @underlined, Muslim Jihad was a response to Christianity wars and destruction.



You're not being honest here, you forgot to tell us all this lands were conquered by Christian armies. Lands which were Christians since the time of the apostles were mostly in minorities with pagans making the majority. Egypt for example had Coptic Christianity from St. Mark, but they were still persecuted by fellow Christians who conquered them, same with the Nestorian Christians who had to migrate to the land of pagans because they were considered heretics.



We have over 100million Muslims in China, Indonesia has over 200million Muslims please could you tell me the Muslim army that conquered those lands and when?!



The Emperor Alexius later got what he wanted after this same "messiah" plunged and raided the city of Constantinople. The Byzantine Empire was the first to transgress against the Muslims, please research this and stop trying to present Muslims as bad guys.



The Muslims had to conquer the rest of the Empire to ensure the safety of Muslims from an unpredictable enemy. Many treaties were signed and later broken, this same Christian empire persecuted and tortured other Christians it deemed heretics and the "heretics" were all protected by Muslims. In fact the Jews who have always been the primary target consider their Golden Age to be under Muslims.



Crusade was all about greed and blood drunk for power. Killing all(showing the true teachings of Christianity), no regard for humans. A Pope who was power drunk and used the crusade as an excuse to subdue the Byzantine Empire.



Yes all carried out by the Crusades.



The only Crusade which was successful to the extent was the 1st crusade, and the reason was because Muslims were not United and the Fatimid Rulers who were selfish and ruthless against the Muslims. Apart from that, the remaining were failures, remember Najm Ud Deen, Seljuks, Salah Ad Deen, Nur Ad Deen, etc.(May Allah have mercy on them) This were men who dealt with the crusaders.

Centuries later, Constantinople was conquered by Sultan Muhammad Al Fathi, so is it a victory or lose?!

Demmzy15:

Your case is beyond repair, may Allah guide you tho. Peace!

Papist:

[s]What nonsense, the crusades were purely for the recovery of the Holy Land from the Mohammedans. Here is part of the great speech of Blessed Urban II of eternal memory:
"From the confines of Jerusalem and the
city of Constantinople a horrible tale has
gone forth and very frequently has been
brought to our ears, namely, that a race
from the kingdom of the Persians, an
accursed race, a race utterly alienated
from God, a generation forsooth which
has not directed its heart and has not
entrusted its spirit to God, has invaded
the lands of those Christians and has
depopulated them by the sword, pillage
and fire; it has led away a part of the
captives into its own country, and a part
it has destroyed by cruel tortures; it has
either entirely destroyed the churches of
God or appropriated them for the rites of
its own religion. They destroy the altars,
after having defiled them with their
uncleanness. They circumcise the
Christians, and the blood of the
circumcision they either spread upon the
altars or pour into the vases of the
baptismal font. When they wish to torture
people by a base death, they perforate
their navels, and dragging forth the
extremity of the intestines, bind it to a
stake; then with flogging they lead the
victim around until the viscera having
gushed forth the victim falls prostrate
upon the ground. Others they bind to a
post and pierce with arrows. Others they
compel to extend their necks and then,
attacking them with naked swords,
attempt to cut through the neck with a
single blow. What shall I say of the
abominable rape of the women? To speak
of it is worse than to be silent. The
kingdom of the Greeks is now
dismembered by them and deprived of
territory so vast in extent that it cannot be
traversed in a march of two months. On
whom therefore is the labor of avenging
these wrongs and of recovering this
territory incumbent, if not upon you? You,
upon whom above other nations God has
conferred remarkable glory in arms, great
courage, bodily activity, and strength to
humble the hairy scalp of those who
resist you."

As you noticed from the Pope's speech about the brutality of the islamic caliphate of that time Islamic State under al baghdadi is made to look even moderate.[/s]