strangleyo:

Blaming Europe for our ills is no excuse.

If we want to develop nobody can stop us. i don't buy this "we can't develop because the white man holds us down" bullshit.

European imperialism, racism, and unfair trade policies didn't stop Japan from becoming a world power, or China's rise?

strangleyo:

our leaders are the corrupt ones

they borrow money to stay in power

try pulling that shit off in the US or UK, wona happen, people are too patriotic to topple their own governments

ElRazur:


I disagree. I was born here, grew up for sometime in Nigeria and then back living here now. I am yet to experience any racism biased towards me. A lot of people may frown at this, but I have experienced more tribalism in Nigeria, than I have experienced racism here.

Afam:

The content in bold refers, the reason might be that you tell them that you despise being black or that you hate blacks or that you run down blacks while praising whites to high heavens just as you have been rubbishing everything about Nigeria on this forum but will be quick to insult anyone that says any negative thing about the US, UK or any predominantly white country.

shotster50:

Griffin said "I didn't say anyone should be murdered at sea - I say boats should be sunk, they can throw them a life raft and they can go back to Libya." However, doing this in the middle of the Med is presumably pretty much equivalent to murder, unless the survivors in the lifeboat happen to be (a) very lucky or (b) rescued by a passing ship. Therefore Griffin's claim that he isn't advocating murder is false.

GEW:

the fact is he is right. you have more tribalism in naija than anyone can see racism in the UK. dont you see tribalism at work even here on NL?

as a young man i suffered discrimination from right left and centre from tribalist even right in my own state.

by the way you dont have to put any black person down to be accepted. that is a very lame defence of tribalistic nigeria. sorry

JustGood:

To be honest, any black man who has lived in the UK for any length of time and says he's never experienced racism has to either be lying or constantly having to lick white a*ses. . . even licking their backsides does not mean you wont face the occasional racist acts.

That really beggars belief.

Afam:

The content in bold refers, the reason might be that you tell them that you despise being black or that you hate blacks or that you run down blacks while praising whites to high heavens just as you have been rubbishing everything about Nigeria on this forum but will be quick to insult anyone that says any negative thing about the US, UK or any predominantly white country.

JustGood:

Go and talk to any politician and they'll tell you that the people of Britain dont like to see coloured faces on the streets of Britain. The politicians are the ones who speak to these people at their front doors and they hear what they have to say. Even if my friends try not to act racist towards me, I know deep within me that there are some of them who complain about black people when there's no black man around.

Why do you think that every election campaign is hotly debated along immigration lines?

ElRazur:

So you are telling me that as a black man, it is a birth right for me to experience racism? Is it hard for a few people here to understand that one can live their life here without some experiencing the same event like some? No?


The key word here is "might". Dude let us not move the goal post shall we. This is about me not experiencing racism towards me. Until I do, I am sticking to my statement.

ElRazur:

So you are telling me that as a black man, it is a birth right for me to experience racism? Is it hard for a few people here to understand that one can live their life here without some experiencing the same event like some? No?

Moves:

It is quite posible for Elrazur not to have experienced racism, if u live & work in a predominately black area or migrant area the chances of you experiencing racism is slim, Also sometimes we tend to term people's action (whites) to be racially motivated when in actual fact it is just a dislike, based on the actual individual and with no bearing to their race, Case in point, have the manager at work, could bet my house that the guy is racist cos of his action and the manner in which he deals with non natives, until last week at our summer party , saw the dude's family, he is married to a ghanian lady with 3 lovely kids, So understandably it is easy to point at racism whereas there could be other underlying issues that give raise to people action towards us which may have no racial bearing,

JustGood:

It sure is your birthright.

The claim that you have NEVER experienced racism in Britain sends something straight to my mind - you are either not being truthful or you are the type who doesn't know when negative things happen to you.

Whichever way, it's a signal of being in denial. Except if you tell me you have never ventured outside of your Nigerian circle of friends and family for any reason.

Moves:

It is quite posible for Elrazur not to have experienced racism, if u live & work in a predominately black area or migrant area the chances of you experiencing racism is slim, Also sometimes we tend to term people's action (whites) to be racially motivated when in actual fact it is just a dislike, based on the actual individual and with no bearing to their race, Case in point, have the manager at work, could bet my house that the guy is racist cos of his action and the manner in which he deals with non natives, until last week at our summer party , saw the dude's family, he is married to a ghanian lady with 3 lovely kids, So understandably it is easy to point at racism whereas there could be other underlying issues that give raise to people action towards us which may have no racial bearing,

FBS:

Agreed they are corrupt but ask yourself, where do they take this money to? First bank or swiss bank?
One thing you fail to understand is this Africa has the European sytem and culture abruptly imposed on them but no developed infrastructure to accomodate them. Asian countires like China and Japan had developed a similarily organized society so it was much easier for them to adapt and compete with the Western world. You have to take these things into consideration. Europeans and east asians have reached the point they are at, over the course of centuries. It was a gradual process. You can't force a system down someone's throat and expect them to adapt completely overnight.
Physical, emotional, intellectual errosion took place in Africa and for way too long.

JustGood:

You have a good point. However, being married to a black person does not preclude a white man/woman from being racist and vice versa.

ElRazur:

I work in a predominantly white place.

I just feel some of these posters in this thread have a complex of some kind. A few would have been denied Visa back in naija and as such the Brits automatically become racist etc. It is scary if in almost 2010 people have this sort of mentality.

Beaf:

@ElRazur. Your statements are reckless and dangerous.

You have'nt experienced racism in the UK? Hmmmm. Even my kids have, lets leave that aside.
You almost seem to be defending the bnp. . . Horror!

If you think they are "better" than the kkk look up "Combat 18", its links to bnp and of course the links between Combat 18 and nick griffin.
Along the way, also find out deeper things about Millwall football club.

NOTE: Don't use the wikipedia article on Combat 18

Moves:

I would say am happy for you, am sincerely hope you dont, Moreover, you haven't argued that racism doesn't exist in ur community, or that racism in not sometimes glaring even though in a subtle way in the UK, and since i dont know you personally I cannot say much on you personally having experienced racism as what is deemed racist action by Mr A may be deemed an action borne out of personal dislike by Mr B

ElRazur:

No it is not my birth right to experience racism.

I am yet to experience. I know racism when I see one. . . Or are you saying you actually know me more than I do?

You know from how you think, it is easy to see how you could develop a "victim syndrome" and "a persecution complex". . . Nice logic. How did you do it?

Oh now you are making assumptions? How nice.

Here, get some education, get a good qualification, get some decent experience, be ambitious, plan your life. . . .  Just may be, just may be you would see beyond this bogey white man trying to be racist against you.

I work in a predominantly white place.

I just feel some of these posters in this thread have a complex of some kind. A few would have been denied Visa back in naija and as such the Brits automatically become racist etc. It is scary if in almost 2010 people have this sort of mentality.

strangleyo:

The Japanese became powerful by emulating the best (and most effective) aspects of Europeans.

Perhaps we Africans need to stop being so stubborn and accept that just because we've been doing something for 1000 years, doesn't necessarily mean its right.

Much of our culture is obsolete, but don't let me say that, I'll be branded a "self-hater". Our political system is in shambles because of our culture. We cling to the old village tribe mentality, we don't question the big boss for fear of being ostracized by society. When was the last time a politician (from both parties) truly slammed Yar'Adua's pathetic policy making, even though many know what he is doing is wrong.

How many times do we have "Northern Committee" "Southern Committee" formed over irrelevant issues that concern big men, false contracts and kickbacks, how many times have Nigerians branded around a cause simply based on tribal or regional affiliation with no connection to one's well-being, and how many times have Nigerians done something about these politics, or cultural diarrhea? Never, we sit there bobbing our heads like stupid peasants, "yes big man", "yes big boss".
We’re even afraid to tell the Housa man that he can’t have Sharia law, we’re too scared to send the riot police to quell his violent behavour because of fear of upsetting some big men. We give Amnesty to violent militias because we find they are connected to big men, big chief, these slime ball crooks, while all in all the value of a civilian is none. Can’t blame the white man here, I tell you. Cannot blame the white man. Even India is making massive progress.
Failed State!