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Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by DoctorAlien(m): 8:03pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
Philadelphia: It's the sad reality brother. What more can we do than to pray earnestly that "the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea"(Hab.2:14)? The harvest is truly plenty and the laborers, few. |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Philadelphia: 8:27pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: It is well bro |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Philadelphia: 11:05am On Feb 29, 2016 |
I pray that this silence means comprehension. |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Philadelphia: 11:06am On Feb 29, 2016 |
[size=20pt]Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:[/size] |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Scholar8200(m): 11:22am On Feb 29, 2016 |
Philadelphia:Was David speaking from the NT perspective The highlighted sounds like this that Paul and BArnabas resisted: And certain men which came down from Judæa taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. 2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, Acts 15:1,2a Only difference being that yours is sabbath. Did the Apostles go about asking the Gentiles to observe the sabbath in order to be saved? Did Jesus EVER make any allusion to such? The attempt to change Colossians quoted before is of your own making because there is absolutely nothing in that verse to agree with it. Christ is the Substance thereof. Let's ask the Apostles and Christ Who at NO time called out 'sabbath breakers' and the need for them to repent and keep the sabbath in order to be saved!!! Besides, since the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in believers who walk after the Spirit, it means therefore that Christ fulfilled both the moral and ceremonial! Bro, did you see the highlighted? I ask again, where did John/Peter/Paul write to the Gentiles to exhort them to observe the sabbath? And that sabbath means rest makes it synonymous with the demand of faith (resting in the works of another) before salvation! To keep the sabbath, they had to trust God's supply to cover that period of abstinence from working and also trust His faithfulness to preserve the manna from rot especially when there would be nothing to gather! I believe our sabbath in the NT is our faith of Him by which we live Galatians 2:20! That faith by which we seek depending on our work and trust His Work and after we have believed we live by the faith of Him that Worketh in us both to will and do of His Good Pleasure, working in us that which is well pleasing in His Sight! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by DoctorAlien(m): 5:18pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Jesus and the apostles had no need to call out Sabbath breakers particularly when they taught about relevance and sanctity of the Law because then, the antichrist (papacy) had not attempted "to change times and laws"(Daniel 7:25). Do you know when and how disregard for the holy Sabbath of GOD came to be? From Adam up until the death of all the early Christians, no man disputed the sanctity of the holy Sabbath of the LORD. That was until the beast, the antichrist, the papacy thought it could tamper with the eternal Law of GOD. Paul upheld the moral Law of GOD(Romans 3:31). Jesus emphasized the irrevocability of the Law (Matt. 5:17-19). All the holy men of GOD throughout the ages have kept the Sabbath of GOD. Why do you think it should be any different now? |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by DoctorAlien(m): 5:26pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Google how Sunday worship came to be and you will be amazed by what you see. The man of sin(pope) thought he could do away with the holy Law of GOD. But the Law of GOD is eternal. It is my earnest prayer, and I know, that very soon, the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of GOD, as the waters cover the sea. |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by DoctorAlien(m): 5:42pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Scholar8200: This is a lie most terrible. Christ blotted out the handwritings of the ordinances against us and not the moral Law of GOD. Do you know that in fact Christ had to die because the moral Law of GOD (the 10 Commandments) cannot be tampered with? The wages of sin is death. What is sin? 1 Jn 3:4 answers: "...sin is the transgression of the Law". The sinner had to die, or another would die in his stead. "...Without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins."(Heb. 9:22). What the blood of lambs could do for persons who sacrificed them was to just cover their sins; it could not blot them out. A more perfect sacrifice had to be made for sins, and Christ was the perfect sacrifice. He died to save us all from the death penalty hanging on our heads because we sinned. HALLELUYAH! 1 Like |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by DoctorAlien(m): 5:46pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
If then GOD did not spare His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, but gave Him up to suffer and die to save men from the demands of the Law(of which nothing could be done about), how much do you think He is angry with those who persist in transgressing His holy Law even after the warning has been given to them? If you hear His word today, do not harden your hearts. |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Nobody: 8:22pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Philadelphia: Let's see who can prove it. |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Nobody: 8:37pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: Oga, the law has ceased both ceremonial and moral. However, the principles still guides xtians. |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Nkasiobi87(f): 8:37pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
thorpido:.Sabbath day is for any body that calls him/her self a child of God.Hebrew 4:1-11. |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by DoctorAlien(m): 8:41pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
JMAN05: LOL. "the law has ceased but the principles still guide xtians". What a contradiction! Meanwhile, any Biblical proof of your claim that the moral Law of GOD has "ceased"? |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by thorpido(m): 8:58pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Nkasiobi87:A Christian does not observe a sabbath day but Sabbath!Sabbath for a Christian is a dispensation-a period,not a day of the week. If you study the Heb.4:1-11 you quoted very well,you will understand. |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Philadelphia: 9:15pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Alwaystrue(f): 2:04am On Mar 01, 2016 |
Alwaystrue: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Alwaystrue(f): 2:11am On Mar 01, 2016 |
In addition, the whole law is hinged on love. Let us ask ourselves therefore, how does 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy' reflect love? I submit that this means we should love ourselves enought to: 1. Rest our bodies. How many people actually take time to rest? How many people chose to rest from physical labours trusting God to meet their needs on the day they do not work? I mean God feeds the birds without much toil, so resting one day will give you time to bond with family, friends and enjoy precious moments. This may even help reduce the numerous health challenges and people slumping and dying suddenly. God's laws are for our own good and they are not burden some either. 2. Rest our minds in Christ. Are you burdened and heavy laden? Come to Christ and be at rest. Worry and stressing on what we cannot change will not help. Relax in Christ and watch Him perfect all that concerns you. Remember Martha? Jesus said she was burdened about too many things but look at Mary...she sat at His feet in total surrender and was at peace. I think Mary was having a Sabbath in Luke 10:41-42. I think keeping the Sabbath indeed is loving ourselves enough to rest and submit to God entirely. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by malvisguy212: 6:48am On Mar 01, 2016 |
[quote author=Alwaystrue post=43373171][/quote]wonderful, Nice one. Thank you. 1 Like |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Philadelphia: 7:31am On Mar 01, 2016 |
Alwaystrue: Don't think. Know the scriptures. You just answered yourself. What does it mean to "submit oneself unto God"? Can you submit yourself to God without worshipping Him? Never! Never make the mistake of reading meaning into the Holy Scriptures. Rather, you read meaning of out of the Holy Scriptures. That way, you would improve and grow your spiritual life. The former means you would improve the bible and give it new editions, which can never be. [size=20pt]THE 10 COMMANDMENTS SUMMARISES LOVE[/size] What does it mean to love our neighbour? Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. What does it mean to love God? John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. What else is not clear? |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Alwaystrue(f): 8:17am On Mar 01, 2016 |
Philadelphia: You seem really high-strung Are you sure you are resting? Possibly you should read my submission again and you will see I covered all angles. I maintain that I THINK 'Keeping the Sabbath Holy' is the command that relates MORE to LOVING ONESELF too to rest. Mark 6:31 Then Jesus said, "Let's go off by ourselves to a quiet place and rest awhile." He said this because there were so many people coming and going that Jesus and his apostles didn't even have time to eat. Did you notice I am not against keeping the Sabbath but I explained proper understanding and knowing why? It is not some legalistic robotic unloving exercise as was done by the Pharisee where they castigated Jesus disciples of plucking heads of corn and eating on the Sabbath or where Jesus healed on the Sabbath even though they would help their animal fallen into a pit. Jesus is the Lord of Rest...Do you understand this? |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Philadelphia: 8:30am On Mar 01, 2016 |
Alwaystrue: So what's your take? |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Scholar8200(m): 10:03am On Mar 01, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:A rather indirect way to wrongly say the NT needs updating to meet the new developments that were not there!!! The antichrist has not come yet, what is prevalent now is the spirit of the antichrist. The NT is complete and applies to the Church of all time! When Paul by the Spirit described the moral conditions that will be prevalent in the last days, why is sabbath breaking missing from the list? How would you reconcile this said by Jesus with your exaltation on the sabbath?: 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Matthew 12:5 And where did Jesus charge ANYONE to seek salvation by sabbath observance? And where did PAul tell the Gentiles,'except ye keep the sabbath after the manner of the fathers and Moses, ye cannot be saved?' |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Scholar8200(m): 10:08am On Mar 01, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Then tell that to Paul and the Spirit Who Inspired Him: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:4 The highlighted has nothing to do with the ceremonial but the moral law! Yes and when we receive Jesus Christ, the Spirit indwells us and we are enabled to walk such that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us! Besides we are enabled to serve: ... in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Romans 7:6b |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by forgiveness: 10:21am On Mar 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: So, are you righteous, holy and perfect? |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Scholar8200(m): 10:33am On Mar 01, 2016 |
forgiveness:Pray how does this relate to this discourse on sabbath? |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Philadelphia: 10:46am On Mar 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: DoctorAlien did not say "the antichrist had not come yet." He only said "the antichrist (papacy) had not attempted to change times and laws"(Daniel 7:25)." This shows clearly that the antichrist had come but not yet "attempted" to change God's Divine Laws. The antichrist has been here even in the time of Paul 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. So you are the one not understanding the scriptures as you claimed the antichrist has not come whereas the bible (as I quoted) makes it clear that the antichrist was even in the time of Paul. Your not understanding this is due to your misconceptions about who the antichrist is and his mission. Mind you Paul kept the Sabbath Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, I just discovered you don't read the posts before commenting. You asked where Jesus charged anyone to seek salvation by observing the Sabbath. Well, here it is Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. You quote bible verses in parts just to suite your points. From Matthew 12 where you quoted, Jesus was explaining to the pharisees that they make Sabbath keeping appear as a burden (which is not), that even the priests (who they hold in high esteem) break the Sabbath and they see them as "blameless" simply because they do not expect en understand what it means to keep the Sabbath. Matthew 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. And Jesus went further to say the one who is greater than their priests (Himself) is here. How can they accuse the greater (Jesus) of breaking the Sabbath and honour the lesser who even break the Sabbath (priests). Jesus was not in anyway encouraging the priests who broke the Sabbath by saying they are "blameless". Else, he would be encouraging sin because sin is the transgression of God's law (which includes the 4th commandment). I hope and pray you understand this. |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Philadelphia: 10:52am On Mar 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: You keep talking about fulfilment of the law. Yet, you know nothing about what this means. Well, this is what fulfilling of the law means. Jesus indeed fulfilled the law and not abolish it. Now here's what James said: James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. If the law was abolished by Jesus, why would James still be quoting it? Here, you find James also quoting from the 10 commandments. In the above texts, Paul and James first start by making us know that the fulfilment of the law is to love. For people like you who would get it confused, they further go ahead to explain what this love means in context of "you shall love your neighbour as yourself" by giving us examples on how to love our neighbour. This they did by pointing us to commandments 5 downwards. |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Scholar8200(m): 12:51pm On Mar 01, 2016 |
Philadelphia:There is a difference between the one (called the son of perdition/the prince etc) and the many forerunners possessed with the spirit of the one. The one was described in full in both Daniel and Revelations! This is a one-sided claim that overlooks passages like: 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2 Thess. 2:7-9 This one had not yet come in Paul's time what they had then were just forerunners of him: 3 and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:3 The spirit of the antichrist has been at work since that time (i wonder why you people claim it's the pope). But there is still a man of sin, antichrist to come that will carry out his exploits for just 7 years, half of which will be terror. Where did he charge the gentile converts to keep the sabbath? Did Paul keep the sabbath as a means of obtaining salvation? Besides, Acts 16:13 has something to tell you. False accusation that!
Let's see: 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Matthew 19:21 The man had been obeying the law before then but still felt a need, a lack which the law could not satisfy!!! Take a cue from this man bro! I am sure you have not done as much as he did and yet he had a need!!! Alright' So, was Jesus a sinner? God forbid!!! were the priests sinning? God forbid! Jesus said they were blameless even after profaning the sabbath The new testament believers are the priests and the Temple and hold to He Who is the Lord of the sabbath!!! Selah! |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Scholar8200(m): 1:01pm On Mar 01, 2016 |
Philadelphia:Any different from what Paul said here: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit Romans 8:4 Yes, so that when we believe on and are joined to Him Who is the Vine, His Life flows through us: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit Yes, this just corroborates the fact that salvation does not come by the law but salvation by faith enables us to keep the law and that is why James follows up with faith and works in that chapter! Now Paul said the same thing in another way: knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, [size=14pt]that I might live unto God[/size]. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain Galatians 2:16-21 He went on to state most clearly: Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4 Before you accuse me, Sabbath observance is also part of the law being referred to not just circumcision! Why the deafening silence on sabbath observance if it is key to salvation? |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Philadelphia: 1:26pm On Mar 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by DoctorAlien(m): 1:51pm On Mar 01, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Now, I want you to answer this question honestly: of all the commandments in the moral law, why have you chosen to 4th one to attack constantly? You seem to have no problem with the other nine. Now, what is your problem with the 4th one? |
Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by Scholar8200(m): 1:51pm On Mar 01, 2016 |
Philadelphia: I am still waiting for that passage where Jesus or ANY of the Apostles fervently exhorted observance of the sabbath as a means of obtaining salvation. |
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