@ m_nwankwo

How do you know all that?

thehomer:

@ m_nwankwo

How do you know all that?

Have you read the thread? Did you miss the part where they were talking about seeing elementals? Perhaps if you have followed Nwankwo's posts for a while you would also be aware that he even gets instructed by these beings in certain skills such as the preparation of herbs. If herbs thus prepared prove to have efficacious results then it would be quite dense of someone to doubt the process. Wouldn't it?

coldwater:

Thanks a lot, M_Nwankwo,

I will take time to digest your reply. Thanks again for being a spiritual blessing to me.   

Hi coldwater. Thanks for your kind words. However, I am not worthy of gratitude for I am only a little servant of God. All gratitude should be directed to God. Stay blessed.

thehomer:

@ m_nwankwo

How do you know all that?

Hi thehomer,

Thanks for your question. My knowledge about elemental beings is drawn from the Grail Message as well as from personal experiences. I was born with the ability to "see" these things. My spiritual contact with the teachings of the Grail Message clarified my natural ability to "see" and led me to deeper recognitions. But my sensing is that your next question will be "How do I know that I know these things". Unfortunately, I cannot give you an intellectually convincing evidence on this forum. But if your quest to examine whether elemental beings are real or myths is strong and sincere, you will cross my path or the path of several others who have contact with the elementals and you will be provided with the evidence that you seek. Stay blessed.

Pastor AIO:

Have you read the thread? Did you miss the part where they were talking about seeing elementals? Perhaps if you have followed Nwankwo's posts for a while you would also be aware that he even gets instructed by these beings in certain skills such as the preparation of herbs. If herbs thus prepared prove to have efficacious results then it would be quite dense of someone to doubt the process. Wouldn't it?

I must confess I only read the first page and the page before this. I did see the post where he spoke of seeing these elementals. I've not been following his posts just the one I saw here. Claims of seeing such entities to me is comparable to someone claiming to see hobbits. Making such claims tells nothing of how you know they are true.
Also, in this age of the Internet, I don't think knowledge of herb preparation is that difficult to find.
Dense of whom to doubt the process; the proposer or the doubter?

m_nwankwo:

Hi thehomer,

Thanks for your question. My knowledge about elemental beings is drawn from the Grail Message as well as from personal experiences. I was born with the ability to "see" these things. My spiritual contact with the teachings of the Grail Message clarified my natural ability to "see" and led me to deeper recognitions. But my sensing is that your next question will be "How do I know that I know these things". Unfortunately, I cannot give you an intellectually convincing evidence on this forum. But if your quest to examine whether elemental beings are real or myths is strong and sincere, you will cross my path or the path of several others who have contact with the elementals and you will be provided with the evidence that you seek. Stay blessed.

Actually my next question would have been about how one could go about assessing the veracity of the sources other than your immediate senses. But enough about that since you've given an alternate source.
I'll be waiting to cross any of the paths you mentioned.

thehomer:

I must confess I only read the first page and the page before this. I did see the post where he spoke of seeing these elementals. I've not been following his posts just the one I saw here. Claims of seeing such entities to me is comparable to someone claiming to see hobbits. Making such claims tells nothing of how you know they are true.
Also, in this age of the Internet, I don't think knowledge of herb preparation is that difficult to find.
Dense of whom to doubt the process; the proposer or the doubter?

Everybody makes judgements from within the parameters of their experiences. Your experience is limited to hobbits so you have every right to see things in terms of hobbits. However it would also be wise to consider that you don't know everything and that most of reality lies outside of the parameters of your experiences. To fail to make this consideration would be 'dense', would it not?

This is a very deep post by M_Nwankwo and I would like to discuss some points in it. Just a tip of the iceberg cos there is a lot more but let's proceed small by small.

First I note that earlier Nwankwo refrained from giving a description of elementals in order to avoid giving people a preconception of them that might actually hinder their ability to see them. What I note is that such preconceptions can take on a life of their own and then present themselves to the person as the real thing thus miring the person in a delusion. I suspect that this is what Mark, in a previous thread, referred to as demons. He had said that demons are the creation of our minds. This was a couple of years ago in a thread about demons but he then had to bow out of the thread because all the participants in the thread (myself included) insisted that we were only interested in demons in the christian sense. It was probably just a problem of terminology.

Now I better understand what he means by a demon. I have some questions to ask though.

1) If demons are created by a persons mind and then gets an independent existence from which it can then afflict the person, I wonder, is it possible for that demon to afflict another person that has not entertained the concept from which the demon emerged? Let me try to say this another way. Imagine a guy creates a demon that causes him to be angry all the time. That demon goes about it's work independently of the person that created it. Is it possible for that demon to affect another person who has not succumbed to the thought pattern that created the demon in the first place?
1a) Is it possible for demon to have physical effects, eg affect a rock lying on a table?

2) I have come to believe that it is impossible for someone to have an experience and not immediately form a concept of what it is that happened. If someone encountering an elemental forms an idea of what it is he has encountered, even just a mental picture of what it looks like, is that not dangerous in itself? Can that mental picture not take on an independent existence and then present itself to the person at a future date as the elemental. In other words it is very hard not to be deceived when one is dealing with elementals.
Everyday we heard all sorts of concepts and ideas of what God is and what God does etc etc etc. Needless to say I do not believe that any of these conceptions are God, but I've never come to the stage where I've actually thought that they were demonic agents. At the worst I've thought they were harmless delusions.
I don't see how people can come into contact with an elemental or a genius repeatedly and not eventually end up having a format, or ritual, for dealing with that entity. I do not think that it is wrong but I can see how it can become an empty ritual where no real contact is made with the entity anymore. This goes for any ritual that one might develop.
For instance a writer might discover that if he locks himself in his children's playroom and plays some light classical music as he drinks a cup of coffee then the inspiration will keep flowing. Some performers need to do certain things in order to have a good performance, it could be something a ridiculous as wearing their 'good luck' socks. This might work most of the time but one day they might wake up to find that the ritual doesn't work anymore. The writer suffers from writer's block, the performer has stagefright. Mozart couldn't write music without hearing the sound of billiard balls knocking against each other. He wrote always on the billiard table as he rolled the balls against each other. That technique never failed him.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that rituals and formats are effective although it is dangerous to rely too heavily on them. Elementals or gods will have certain recognisable characteristics. It is like when Samuel heard his name in the middle of the night and went to the priest, Eli, to answer the call. After the third time Eli must have recognised something in the pattern for him to tell Samuel that next time he should answer, "Speak lord, for thy servant heareth".
Anyway, I'm just rambling, checking out different ideas.

m_nwankwo:

Hi coldwater. Thanks for your questions. I offer my perception as follows.
Elemental beings are very real. Unfortunately, many a human being have lost contact with these loyal servants of God such that their activities are today relegated to the realm of myths, sagas and legends. Yet every human being on earth have in past eras experienced the elemental beings and such experience slumbers within the spirit. Genuine love for all that exists including what men refer to as nature will reawaken the slumbering knowledge about elementals and their activities. A reconnection with the elementals is an indispensable step in the recognition  of the will of God.

Elemental beings are servants of God who do not activate a personal volition but stands in the will of God. They absorb the power of God and dispense it without activating a personal volition in doing so. Elemental beings are innumerable and they can be found in all planes of existence, even in the divine realm. Thus elemental beings inhabit the physical, astral, ethereal, animistic, spiritual, primordial spiritual and the divine worlds. Those that inhabit the physical which many can easily see lie in a transitory plane between the astral and the gross material world. The elemental beings irrespective of where they reside are dispensers of the radiations of God. They are servants of God who under the will of God shape forms or give shape or conformation to the the different and diverse radiations or power of God. They are thus builders in creation. There activities are so diverse and incomprehensible that it will not be possible to describe it in its entity. But to enable a picture arise within you, I will leave out the high elemental beings that resides in the divine, the primordial spiritual, the spiritual and deal with those whose activities are evident in material creations including the ethereal, the astral as well as a the physical. The physical universes with its billions of galaxies are the work of elemental beings. Also included in the work of elementals is what we call nature. The elemental beings formed and continue to form universes, galaxies, stars, planets, human and animal bodies. They are involved from gigantic cosmic events like the formation and dissolution of stars to "small" things like the seasons, magnetic currents, air currents as well as water cycles, rocks, formation of plant, human and animal bodies etc. Our sun for instance was formed and maintained by elemental beings. Literally, our sun is the physical body of an elemental being and the entire earth too is the physical body of an elemental being. In past era men do see the lord of the sun.  Elemental beings are also responsible for what men call inventions. In a workshop of models produced by elemental beings, every genuine discovery that has happened, is happening and will happen is already fashioned by a specie of elementals, that is,  they have completed the prototype of past, present and future inventions. What we call inventions is a drawing from this workshop of models that were fashioned by elemental beings in finer gross material realms. Unfortunately, those who are permitted to draw do not always have the necessary inner purity such that these prototypes or models are not transported to earthly reality exactly as the elementals made them with the attendant results that some inventions become a problem for humankind. Maybe some day, I will discuss in detail about this.


Maybe, another example may suffice. A specie of elemental beings are involved in the formation, maintainance and dissolution of all the bodies that the human spirit clocked himself with. Thus, they know to the minutest degree how a human physical body can be maintained so that man can physically leave up to 500 years and yet have the look of a 35 year old man. In the same vein, these elementals also have the knowledge to the healing properties of herbs, rocks, water, fire and air. Every gifted herbalist without exception have contact with the elementals. The elementals not only reveal the healing properties of herbs to the herbalist but they also reveal a personalized treatment tailored specifically to a particular patient. God, the creator of all the worlds have made unlimited provisions for the joy of his creatures and the help and guidance by the elementals is one such provision. Even the cure to so called incurable diseases can be revealed to us by the elementals. Unfortunately, we have lost connection with the elementals, and thus lost connection with the Almighty God, our creator.


Another species of elementals pick up the stirrings of our soul and give form to our volitions. Thus elemental beings in obedience to the will of God mould the forms that form the tapestry of our fate, either raising us towards the luminous gardens of the kingdom of God or catapulting us to the realms of darkness. Indeed hell came into existence when the elementals gave form to the evil volitions of men.  It is also in the same vain that the realm of witches, phantoms and demons came into existence.

The elemental beings are nothing without God. They are creatures and servants of God. Thus, whatever is their activity, they are simply dispensing the will of God. Thus they are not directly responsible for creation, judgement or reincarnation but their activities are part of what is involved in the fulfillment of divine will. I can expand on this when it becomes necessary.

I have not read any of the works of the realian movement but I do know spiritually who they are. As a rule I do not discuss the views or opinions of others and for that I will not discuss what I spiritually know about the realian movement. As per UFO, I have offered my perception in some write ups in the past. Just search for my former posts and you will find them. Stay blessed.

   
                                                         

Hi Pastor. Thanks for the issues you raised in your post. I offer my perception on them as follows.

This is a very deep post by M_Nwankwo and I would like to discuss some points in it.  Just a tip of the iceberg cos there is a lot more but let's proceed small by small.

Thank you for your kind words.

First I note that earlier Nwankwo refrained from giving a description of elementals in order to avoid giving people a preconception of them that might actually hinder their ability to see them.  What I note is that such preconceptions can take on a life of their own and then present themselves to the person as the real thing thus miring the person in a delusion.  I suspect that this is what Mark, in a previous thread, referred to as demons.  He had said that demons are the creation of our minds.  This was a couple of years ago in a thread about demons but he then had to bow out of the thread because all the participants in the thread (myself included) insisted that we were only interested in demons in the christian sense.  It was probably just a problem of terminology. 

Yes demons are the forms of our evil volitions. In the thread that you alluded to and others, I have already offered my perception on the origin of demons. Yes, demons have a life of there own and can completely influence their creators and others. Many people are demoniacally influenced without been conscious of it. The same is also true for those who are possessed by an alien spirit. Demonic influence and spirit possession are much more common than we are ready to admit. Many cases of psychiatric illness, multiple personality, even depression etc are not because of organic or physical problem but a case of either demonic influence or spirit possession. However I must emphasize that each case is peculiar and a generalization will be wrong. But the time has come when specialists especially in mental health,  psychiatrists, psychologist etc should consider the possibility that the problem with some of their patients has no biological origin, rather the origin lies beyond the physical.

1)  If demons are created by a persons mind and then gets an independent existence from which it can then afflict the person, I wonder, is it possible for that demon to afflict another person that has not entertained the concept from which the demon emerged?  Let me try to say this another way.  Imagine a guy creates a demon that causes him to be angry all the time.  That demon goes about it's work independently of the person that created it.  Is it possible for that demon to affect another person who has not succumbed to the thought pattern that created the demon in the first place? 
1a) Is it possible for demon to have physical effects, eg affect a rock lying on a table?

Yes, demons do not only afflict there creators or individuals that entertained concepts from which the demon emerged but others. Every normal human being has  a protective layer which prevents external influences from finding a path to the soul. This protective layer is a gift of God and as long as the individual do not open this protective covering himself, nothing can penetrate from outside. But there are many ways which an individual can breach his natural protection, permitting alien influences to find anchor within him. It is impossible for an alien influence, even the devil himself to breach this protecting cover and reach a normal human being except the individual of his own accord opened the protective cover. Fear, occult training, religious ecstasy, unhealthy diet, smoking etc can puncture this protecting cover allowing an alien volition to find a foothold. Fear, religious ecstasy and occult training in particular can easily paralyze this protecting cover and thus making such an individual a playground for alien influences. A simple soul with childlike faith in God cannot be demoniacally influenced nor possessed by a disembodied spirit.

Yes demons do have physical effects, they can turn tables, lift rocks  or in some cases lift the person under influence. Demons are still material and they can undergo densification that grants them the ability to influence physical matter. Demons can also be directed by evil people to influence animals and make such animals wreck havoc on there victims. Demons who have become the deities in different religions can also perform miracles, pronounce prophecies etc. But one thing is certain, no person can be demonically afflicted except he of his own accord opened himself to it.

2) I have come to believe that it is impossible for someone to have an experience and not immediately form a concept of what it is that happened.  If someone encountering an elemental forms an idea of what it is he has encountered, even just a mental picture of what it looks like, is that not dangerous in itself?  Can that mental picture not take on an independent existence and then present itself to the person at a future date as the elemental.  In other words it is very hard not to be deceived when one is dealing with elementals. 
Everyday we heard all sorts of concepts and ideas of what God is and what God does etc etc etc.  Needless to say I do not believe that any of these conceptions are God, but I've never come to the stage where I've actually thought that they were demonic agents.  At the worst I've thought they were harmless delusions.

Elementals have form and there is nothing wrong in perceiving them in their form for it is God that created them that way. A true elemental being directs those who are able to percieve him or her to God and not to himself. He or she is only a small chain in the enourmous wheel of divine will and sees himself or herself as such. If seeing ones start to see it differently, then the contact is lost. Now the seeing one or his followers now want to force a reconnection with an elemental being without changing the intutive perception which first lead to the disconnection with the elemental. Now this false intutive urge that was the reason for the disapperance of the genuine elemental being takes on form and appear to them mimicking the genuine elemental being. Hopefully, I will expand on it in future.

Yes, it is very easy to be deceived but no one will be decieved if they are pure in heart and have a childlike faith in God. These two simple things give the seeing one the connection with the power of God which renders approach by demons and evil spirits impossible and if an approach do take place, such a seeing one has the guidance of discernment. I will not go into this for now, but demons have characteristics stamp in terms of colors and sounds. Without a doubt, there are demons masquerading as Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Virgin Mary, Krishna, etc as well as counterfeits of several lords of the elements.

I don't see how people can come into contact with an elemental or a genius repeatedly and not eventually end up having a format, or ritual, for dealing with that entity.  I do not think that it is wrong but I can see how it can become an empty ritual where no real contact is made with the entity anymore.  This goes for any ritual that one might develop.
For instance a writer might discover that if he locks himself in his children's playroom and plays some light classical music as he drinks a cup of coffee then the inspiration will keep flowing.  Some performers need to do certain things in order to have a good performance, it could be something a ridiculous as wearing their 'good luck' socks.  This might work most of the time but one day they might wake up to find that the ritual doesn't work anymore.  The writer suffers from writer's block, the performer has stagefright.  Mozart couldn't write music without hearing the sound of billiard balls knocking against each other.  He wrote always on the billiard table as he rolled the balls against each other.  That technique never failed him. 
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that rituals and formats are effective although it is dangerous to rely too heavily on them.  Elementals or gods will have certain recognisable characteristics.  It is like when Samuel heard his name in the middle of the night and went to the priest, Eli,  to answer the call.  After the third time Eli must have recognised something in the pattern for him to tell Samuel that next time he should answer, "Speak lord, for thy servant heareth". 
Anyway, I'm just rambling, checking out different ideas.

There is no ritual or format than obedience to the will or intention of God. What we need is just to be open to the power of God and we will be directed on what to do and how to do it on each occasion. In otherwords, let the power of God flow and in the flow the power of God will guide our activities here and beyound. Rituals in my perception contradicts the flow and mobility of the power of God and in the best cases turns the pulsating power of God into lifeless rigid forms and in worst cases becomes a channel for evil alien influences.  There are of course acts which God himself ordained and these acts stands beyond and outside the concepts of rituals. These acts are living happening. Baptism for example if carried out as an act of God is a living spiritual happening. I got to stop here for now. Stay blessed.