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Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Jozzy4: 12:48pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
solite3: let me bust you again. NO! I am going to my Father and Yourrrrrrrrr Father - read John 20:17 , Jesus father is my Father .
God the Father ?
are you now saying Jesus is God the Father ? |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Nobody: 1:06pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
[quote author=Jozzy4 post=47783048] let me bust you again. NO! I am going to my Father and Yourrrrrrrrr Father - read John 20:17 , Jesus father is my Father . God the Father ? are you now saying Jesus is God the Father ?[/quote ] Jesus is not God the father but he is my father because he is the second adam |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 1:18pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Jozzy4: solite3: sol, false jw jozzy couldn't bust anyone except in his own mind |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Jozzy4: 3:40pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
solite3:Eph 4:6 is reffering to the Father ! not Jesus. and since you admit Jesus is not the Father, that reveal he is not the One God and Father of all mentioned @ Eph 4:6, that's what I need from you 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by udatso: 4:32pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
solite3:Did the disciples call him the everlasting Father? |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Emusan(m): 4:58pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
udatso: Kindly, show me where the disciples also called Him Jesus Christ. |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by udatso: 5:23pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Emusan:You are asking me to prove something I didn't say. I asked him to prove what he said. Go back to the first post I quoted him and read through and know how we got here |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Emusan(m): 5:40pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
udatso: I got you right perfectly. This is your previous post Maybe you didn't get my question clearly. I didn't argue if he is everlasting or not. Neither if he is father or not. My point is Isaiah said HE WILL BE CALLED (meaning called by other people) the everlasting Father. Here @underline, everyone knows what you're trying to prove which take us back to my question. So kindly answer. |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by udatso: 6:21pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Emusan:I hate dragging issues so am going to do this one last time. First of all, that wasn't the first post I quoted him. The first quote is in the picture below . In his second post he claims Isaiah called him everlasting Father and I said no that Isaiah prophesied that he will be called the everlasting Father. I then asked him to bring a proof where Jesus was addressed as the everlasting father which he has failed to produce. He made a claim and I asked for evidence. I haven't made a claim and you are asking me for evidence Be reasonable sir.
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Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Nobody: 9:18pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Jesus said he and his father are one john10:30 |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Nobody: 9:22pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
udatso:your question is invalid because the prophet Isaiah has established the fact that he shall be called everlasting father except you want to tell me the prophet is wrong |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by udatso: 9:49pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
solite3:For the prophesy to be true, there are conditions to be met. He will be called some names. Is there a record of him being called the everlasting Father in his time? |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 12:34am On Jul 23, 2016 |
udatso: it appears you don't believe the Isaiah prophecy I don't think anyone is to interested in your silly argument if we Christians call Him everlasting Father in this time then I'm sure His Disciples in His time did also many call Jesus wonderful many call Jesus the Holy Spirit (Counsellor) many call Jesus The mighty God (even false jw's do) many call Jesus The everlasting Father ( we Christians have been calling Him that in this very thread) etc. open your eyes. |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Jozzy4: 4:14am On Jul 23, 2016 |
solite3: But Jesus is not the Father , Right ? 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 4:59am On Jul 23, 2016 |
Jozzy4: duh, lie lie jozzy, well at least you know that much, you don't know much else though that's for sure the flesh and blood Jesus is the Son now go back and read all the material and verses showing that the Word is God, and while you are there, look at all your lies and confusion and non comprehension that you keep on saying in your every post you such big lie lie |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 5:07am On Jul 23, 2016 |
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. God said to the Word "Let us make man in our image" false jw said God is talking to Angels however Angels are not in God's image and Angels are not God as verse 27 shows the us to be "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God" "our image" verse 26 = "God's image" verse 27 God and the Word = God and of course John 1:1 also shows that God and the Word is God |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 5:55am On Jul 23, 2016 |
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Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by udatso: 6:42am On Jul 23, 2016 |
johnw74:I didn't force you to reply me. Besides this question was no longer directed to you but to someone else. So feel free to run away or find a reason not to reply me. My believing in the prophecy isn't the issue here. if we Christians call Him everlasting Father in this time then [u][b]I'm sure His Disciples in His time did also[b][u]So why is it so difficult to bring forth a proof from the Bible of Jesus been called the everlasting Father in his time or by his disciples? First of all I am a Muslim and I didn't come here for a debate or to drag issues. I asked for a proof in the Bible of Jesus been called THE EVERLASTING FATHER. IF it's not there, simply say it isn't. many call Jesus The everlasting Father ( we Christians have been calling Him that in this very thread)Yeah. True and it baffles me cos in his time he wasn't addressed as that that's why I asked. Eyes widely open except you are talking about the spiritual eyes 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by udatso: 6:45am On Jul 23, 2016 |
johnw74:You seem to believe that it's only Jehovah witness that don't believe in the divinity of Jesus. That's not true. Let's take Nairaland for example, annunaki doesn't believe in Jesus Christ being God and he isn't Jehovah witness either. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 12:30am On Jul 24, 2016 |
^^^ johnw74: udatso: Duh Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. udatso: like false jw's you seem to like to lie most people know that muslim's, just to name one other group don't believe in the divinity of Christ 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 12:38am On Jul 24, 2016 |
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Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 2:02am On Jul 24, 2016 |
Jesus is called The mighty God: Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Jehovah is called the mighty God: Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. Jehovah is called the Almighty God: Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. Jesus is called the Almighty: Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. false jw say that is Jehovah talking in verse 8, saying I am the Alpha and Omega, but the previous verse shows that it is Jesus the one who was pierced talking: Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Also John turns to see who it was that was speaking: Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. John turned to see it was Jesus talking and Jesus said again as in verse 8, I am the Alpha and omega lie lie false jw's |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by udatso: 10:29pm On Jul 24, 2016 |
johnw74:You disappoint me. |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Nobody: 11:35pm On Jul 24, 2016 |
udatso:Christians understand when Jesus is called everlasting father. Jesus is our father. There are no conditions attached. This verse reveals that in Jesus all things in heaven and on earth will be united which the apostles called the mystery of God. So this is Jesus family as well as God the father's family. ( all believers). |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Nobody: 11:37pm On Jul 24, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Jesus is God the bible very well establish that claim. Jesus is not the God the father but he and the father are one God. |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 1:13am On Jul 25, 2016 |
udatso: Thank you, it's a pleasure udatso: Duh Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 1:50am On Jul 25, 2016 |
by Matt Slick The Watchtower says that the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the physical resurrection of Christ are all false doctrines. Yet, the Watchtower says that if you read the Bible by itself, you will end up believing these doctrines. In other words, if you read the Bible by itself, then you will become a Trinitarian--believe that Jesus is God and believe that Jesus rose from the dead physically. Why is that? Could it be because the Bible teaches these things? So I ask the Jehovah's Witnesses, what is it in the Bible that would lead someone to this conclusion? Again, what is in the Bible that reading it by itself would lead you to believe in the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and His physical resurrection? This quote from the Watchtower is proof that it is teaching contrary to the natural reading of the Bible and that it is controlling the beliefs of those who follow it. Click for more |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Jozzy4: 2:50pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
Ephesians 4:6 is directed to the Father of All, also the Father of Jesus . and since you confess the below @ bold solite3: the thread is vindicated !!! |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Nobody: 7:02pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
Jozzy4:which thread? Do you know wat is trinity? Jesus is God but not the father so what is your point? 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Jozzy4: 1:40pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
solite3:
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Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Seun(m): 10:01pm On Jul 31, 2016 |
Re: Debunking The Trinity Logic by Nobody: 11:12pm On Jul 31, 2016 |
[quote author=Jozzy4 post=47903956][/quote] Isaiah 9:6 called Jesus everlasting father. You are laughing at Jehovah abi |
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