naijadeyhia:



So its common sense that this did not die yet came to tak about something he did not experience?

Scientists after him have carried out actual experiments using death simulations and they have said there is consciousness after death. A consciousness that sees, hears and speaks and not just energy.

So who is right and who is wrong.

Stop Changing The Topic This Has A already Been Addressed

gatiano:
You are indeed a very powerful personality. Your Parent prepared you well in a more Traditional ways than the religious ways. As a child, You were taught a lot of truths than fictions and fairytales.

You should continue to seek the African/Original knowledge and wisdom. Never belief anything a non-black tells you even when/if what they tell correct or seem correct. Always verify from your Elders first and most from Your Intuition, Because the intuition only as ONE GUARD, and that is The Most High. The Most High is the Higher YOU.

When Black people or a person(Black) gives you a wisdom, Ask with total respect where the said knowledge and wisdom comes from. A teacher must state whose his/her teacher is and also His/Her teacher's teacher.

Immorttal:
well defined and informative.am not into science,but i believe science holds the answer to EVERYTHING even after life.just that we are still at the "stone age" of science.i used to have thiss notion that the smallest atom cannot be found even with the most powerful telescope.you cannot see spirits because it has escaped the human eye (and the most advanced telescope)into something we termed as another" realm" until we develope a tool that can pierce through other realms or existence,we would discard its posibility.

Muafrika2:



Am not powerful at all . I find African spirituality abit on the dark side though. They are harmful too.

Now that you mentioned it, my mother can be abit spiritual. It's hard for us to hide any significant news from her. She's saved though. Doesn't involve herself with African spirituality.

xtivin:
i fainted once and its like flying upward through a tunnel.

naijadeyhia:



I think you need to read up on organ harvesting before you type.

Those organs can only be harvested within minutes of death otherwise are unusable.

When there is no brain signal, electrical impulse, and all else no medical doctor will ever say, "hey he is still alive but we just cannot resuscitate him" they are termed DEAD!

After your 10yrs theory come back and reopen this thread. Until then you have nothing to say.

xtivin:
i fainted once and its like flying upward through a tunnel.

gatiano:
hmmm, Saved from what or whom and to where or whom?
Most African traditions have been contaminated, I don't disagree that part, the colonizers tried to kill and contaminate all of it, thus the calling "Esu, the devil".

All the knowledge and wisdom to save this planet from destruction are all in AFRICA within the carefully guarded African Traditional sciences and systems.

No matter all sun and suns shine their light, they can never surpass the ether (darkers), without darkness there can never be light. Darkness is the medium through which light can shine. More like- no air, no sound.
Put on the light in a room, there is a shadow or darkness somewhere.

Thus, Darkness is in reality the light.

youngestland:

it didnt, it will take a while before that happens
buh thats not the issue here ....I was unconscious for few minutes my sister even said she screamed when she saw me she even had to run outside to call people to help me they came and one cut the rope while another held me I was still unconscious while all this was going on they said I screamed back to life which I did not even know .
friends am telling you guys the truth I know see any nonsense spirit or light anywhere. shikena

youngestland:



let me tell you after my failed suicide I was counselled ofcourse then I found god grin
I was so deep in him I spoke in tongues even till now I still know how to...... a lot of miraculous things have happened to me and I even used to give him all the glory in my success ladder until I found out all these work for everyone irrespective of your believe
let me tell u for a fact if there is anyone that should be grateful to god in life I should be the one so if I say he doesnt exist then I have seen things thats why

xtivin:
i fainted once and its like flying upward through a tunnel.

Immorttal:
there is a bright light at the end of the tunnel,dont just jam the light or you re a goner physically. you did not fly but floating.after life exist whoever says contrary is still incognizant of his nature.this is not our true home.

oaroloye:
@GATIANO: I thought I knew what was what, until I read two books by CARLOS CASTANEDA:

JOURNEY TO IXTLAN.
THE FIRE FROM WITHIN.

It took me eleven years to get my hands on them all.

CARLOS CASTANEDA was an Anthropologist send to go spy out the secret of Native American Mysticism.

He was well-suited to the task: a NAGUAL (Shapeshifting Shaman,) saw his Energy implied that he was qualified to become his apprentice. So he taught him all that they taught apprentices.

He was introduced to the Mentor of their Order- a TOLTEC SORCERER who had been the Teacher of their Lineages for 250 years.

He was an Ancient who had been alive since maybe 1,000BC.

He had avoided death by being physically transported to Heaven- but when he got there, he found himself a PRISONER, not an honoured guest, nor an HEIR.

It took him CENTURIES to figure out how to escape. Once he did, he came back to the Earth. He witnessed the SPANISH COLONIZATION.

He had learned to REJUVENATE himself by receiving Spiritual Energy from NAGUALS, and in exchange he taught them Spiritual Secrets they could not discover by themselves.

When it came Carlos Castaneda's turn to meet him, and donate his Energy, he did not do what he supposed to do- and this 3,000 year old man apparently died as a result.

[See: THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda.]

This is why SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE should never be given to the White man.

As LOBSANG RAMPA said: "When you give them a Mystical Artifact- such as an Ancient Lantern that has been shining for 1,000 years- they will take it to their laboratories, and BREAK it- then give you the pieces back, and say: "Well, maybe it did work before- but it certainly doesn't now!"

oaroloye:
@GATIANO: I thought I knew what was what, until I read two books by CARLOS CASTANEDA:

JOURNEY TO IXTLAN.
THE FIRE FROM WITHIN.

It took me eleven years to get my hands on them all.

CARLOS CASTANEDA was an Anthropologist send to go spy out the secret of Native American Mysticism.

He was well-suited to the task: a NAGUAL (Shapeshifting Shaman,) saw his Energy implied that he was qualified to become his apprentice. So he taught him all that they taught apprentices.

He was introduced to the Mentor of their Order- a TOLTEC SORCERER who had been the Teacher of their Lineages for 250 years.

He was an Ancient who had been alive since maybe 1,000BC.

He had avoided death by being physically transported to Heaven- but when he got there, he found himself a PRISONER, not an honoured guest, nor an HEIR.

It took him CENTURIES to figure out how to escape. Once he did, he came back to the Earth. He witnessed the SPANISH COLONIZATION.

He had learned to REJUVENATE himself by receiving Spiritual Energy from NAGUALS, and in exchange he taught them Spiritual Secrets they could not discover by themselves.

When it came Carlos Castaneda's turn to meet him, and donate his Energy, he did not do what he supposed to do- and this 3,000 year old man apparently died as a result.

[See: THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda.]

This is why SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE should never be given to the White man.

As LOBSANG RAMPA said: "When you give them a Mystical Artifact- such as an Ancient Lantern that has been shining for 1,000 years- they will take it to their laboratories, and BREAK it- then give you the pieces back, and say: "Well, maybe it did work before- but it certainly doesn't now!"

Muafrika2:

Okay. I think what a person sees depends on the spirit they have.
So are you saying you saw empty darkness or you were completely unaware of your being? Because your sister said you screamed. I don't think that's normal.
I also hope you have since found a reason to live.

naijadeyhia:



Go mad if you like and bite a rock. Your direction is already clear. You are the one misquoting and confusing yourself. Yu call it LIFE AFTER DEATH but did you die? No! So where are your arguments coming from?

I do know a friend who died from cancer of the bile duct and he got brought back to life right there in hospital after giving up the ghost and doctors had covered him up to be moved to the morgue.

He returned and right there after demanding for water to drink began to cry and say Jesus is real I am sorry and could not share his experience until after 3 weeks because he was still in shock and weak.

But when he did he recounted how he was taken on a grand tour of places too awesome to describe and how he asked are you Jesus? And the person said I am but he must not stay here that some people need him back home so he must go. Those people who needed him back were those praying ovet his cold corpse.

He is a firebrand born again believer today and his cancer also miraculously disappeared. I know about all this because I was there live as I was always the one driving him to and fro for chemotherapy.

mcemmy0z:


Nice story though,
Read the story of this man in my status, his near death experience,compare it to your friend's own. Come back here and tell me what you learn.

naijadeyhia:



My friend did not have a near death experience. My friend actually died. So there is no basis for comparison

gatiano:
If he was dead or died, there won't be any coming back. His heart must have stopped beating, but yet some brains activities is going on. A patient can only be pronounced dead only when the brain has stop functioning.

The other type of death, is that which is delibrate within the ritual initiation; This is when a person is put to death for three(3) days, then resurrected on the third day. after which they would loose all desires. like the very high level Sangomas, The Seers and The Griots.

naijadeyhia:



Someone with cancer of the bile duct whose pee and bodily secretions were already heavy green and the cancer had spread to his liver and stomach lining and more and who had emaciated and could not walk and was bedridden with sores on his back and pronounced dead after checking for every vital sign including electric did not die?

If he did not die then I guess his cancer also did not miraculously heal.


Pls say something else.

naijadeyhia:



My friend did not have a near death experience. My friend actually died. So there is no basis for comparison

bigfrancis21:


I'm quite interested in out of body experiences too. Do you mind sharing your experiences?

HardMirror:
I must have been about 12 years old when it happened.
I was terribly ill, terribly, so my mum took me to the hospital where I got some medications.

All I remember was that I was watching TV in the morning..... Next I woke up only to see myself in the hospital. My mum was asleep beside me.

It was the morning of the next day.

I was unconscious for almost 24 hours.

Honestly where was my spirit when I lost consciousness.

HardMirror:
I strongly believe we have no spirit or soul

HardMirror:
but are alive based on the function of our brains. Once the brain lacks oxygen for a prolonged time, then that is the end

HardMirror:
Interestingly your organs could still be alive. So it is enough proof for me that our brains are responsible for who we are and not any phantom ghost

HardMirror:
When my mum was narrating how she and others where frantically trying to revive me, I was shocked. To the extent that raw pepper was poured into my mouth.
It was an amazing experience anyway, glad I experienced it so no one lies to me how being unconscious feels.
It is all blank and you have no consciousness of time unlike when you sleep

naijadeyhia:


He is a firebrand born again believer today and his cancer also miraculously disappeared. I know about all this because I was there live as I was always the one driving him to and fro for chemotherapy.

KingEbukaNaija:
There is no such thing as "phantom ghost" , either is redundant .

You were not dead so your spirit is still in you .

cloudgoddess:

Was it a miracle or was the chemotherapy effective?

naijadeyhia:



If the Chemo was effective would he have died? Have you ever heard of a chemo being effective on a final stage cancer before?

gatiano:
Chemotherapy is what actually kills cancer patients. It drives patients to death quicker than the cancer effect itself. It is the quickest way to make money out of the patients and their families.

cloudgoddess:

Was it a miracle or was the chemotherapy effective?