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Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by adoyi8: 9:55pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:because i dont need it and i keep telling a lot of my friends that take alcohol that they dont need it too but they still take it and i cant punish them for it because it is legal. |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by Nobody: 9:57pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
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Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by adoyi8: 10:03pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija:He is not my brother we are not christians that lie to themselves by calling themselves brothers. The bottom line is that religion does not make people moral, you can collect data from religious countries like Nigeria and compare with countries that have strong and enforced laws like China then you can arrive at your conclusion 1 Like |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by Nobody: 10:04pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
adoyi8: The mere fact that you would even reprimand him shows that you DO have moral values Whether the law supports it or not. Punishing him (which is another level of reprimand) does not mean anything. If in your mind you do not like it, it shows you have morals and when you caution him verbally it also shows you do not like it. The law does not control morality. ...something in you does somehow. If you were a free moral agent then you would have been patting your son on the back or buying him a car tied with a red bow for anything he does be it right or wrong or if he fails repeatedly in school or cooks with sewer water and not clean water because the very fibre of morality has been removed. Mad people themselves even somehow know that they have to be careful when crossing the street or that they should walk on the side of it or sleep on the side and not in the middle of the road. Morality is embedded deel down in you accept it and stop bobbing and weaving just to defend the indefensible. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by adoyi8: 10:13pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:still on point that atheists can be moral since you stated that morality is embedded in a person, so we dont need religion to be moral 1 Like |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by hopefulLandlord: 10:17pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: So you're basically saying we are born with it? So where does religion come in? |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by winner01(m): 10:18pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
adoyi8:No! We do not need religion to be moral. God has put conscience in every man. And thats his point, morality is innate. And dust particles could never give rise to morality. |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by dalaman: 10:19pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
winner01: You are NOT different from the average Nigerian christian on the street. No matter how you lie to your self you aren't any different. |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by winner01(m): 10:22pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
adoyi8: adoyi8: Be consistent my friend. You are contradicting yourself. Are you saying they are pretending to be religious? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by Nobody: 10:23pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: Why are you so fixated on religion? Did Religion make God? If you do not know how it relates to God then ask and you shall receive knowledge. No harm in asking. You can hate the message but not the messenger ( thats what you said) If Laws are not the umpires for Religion then are we just doing as we please? Still no. Somehow there is a contraint and that constraint comes from God. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by adoyi8: 10:26pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
winner01:try to explain this, a man is born in ireland in a society were alcohol is highly taken so he doesnt find it immoral but he finds polygamy to be immoral. now another man was born and grew up in Saudi arabia where polygamy is moral but alcohol intake is immoral. how does that make morality innate? because if was, then both men will find the same thing moral and the same thing immoral. the answer to this is society |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by winner01(m): 10:26pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
dalaman:Dont miss the point. Other christians are not my standard. Christ is my standard. You should give it a try too. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by KingEbukaNaija: 10:26pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
cloudgoddess: [size=14pt]winner01 , naijadeyhia welcome to "moral progress "according to the atheist . Atheism permits perversion as part of its "moral progress " [/size] 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by hopefulLandlord: 10:32pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: Which god? There are many of them last time I checked, each one with different ideas about what's bad and good, you Christians turn atheism v theism debate into atheism vs Christianity, if Yahweh were the ONLY god in the world, that would've been very valid but its not |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by Nobody: 10:32pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
adoyi8: The mere fact that the man still finds something immoral even if not all things depicts a desire for morality. If everything was moral then that man would be no better than a beast of the field but the power to choose has set him apart. |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by hopefulLandlord: 10:36pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: You're dodging and sidestepping |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by Nobody: 10:36pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: Let me put it this way, i am a Christian so I can only offer you my God and the reason for that is not because I could not have easily accepted other gods but because I have tasted and tested my God and seen that He is good. My choice rests with him because he has persuaded me by Himself and not via man. He asked me to be like Jesus and not like any pastor so I have looked at the life of Jesus and I loved it so I embraced it. Simple as that. Give it a try. |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by dalaman: 10:37pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
winner01: Christ is a myth that is why he can not be any bodies standard. If Christ is your standard then you should be doing greater things than he promised those of you that believe in him to be doing. Of Christ is your standard you won't be here on the Internet arguing on the Internet with atheist and failing to prove anything to them apart from perpetuating propaganda. The construct of Christ is an.impossible myth that is why no christian on earth can be like him. Where are the christians that love their neighbors the way they love themselves? Where are the christians that love their enemies and and pray for them? Where are the Christains that turn the other cheek and give out their coats when people take their shirts as they are told to do by Jesus? Where are the Christains that perform magical feast like Jesus? Where are those raising people from the dead , healing people at will, feeding thousands people with 2 fish and 5 loafs of bread? Where are the christians that are doing greater things than Jesus as he promised those that believe in him? There is non because all the promises are fake and what he proposed is even impossible for Christains to practice that is why throughout history christians have never been different to non christians when it comes to morality or the issue of goodness. Christains are NOT better human beings than non christians, they have never been aND will never be. Just take a lot at all the churches in the world and see the nonsense that is going on in there. |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by KingEbukaNaija: 10:39pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
adoyi8: Stop calling China this guy ! What we see as evil is praised as good in China . 1. Dishonesty is encouraged in China's business world as a way of aggrandizing Business organisations . 2. China's former leader Mao killed between 40 to 70 million people in 3 or 4 years and is adulated by the Chinese people 3. Prostitution is permitted in China 4. Larceny is not treated as a serious offence in China etc 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by Nobody: 10:40pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: I am not! Morality is based on a desire for something we either agree with internally or disagree with so inherently its the ability to choose. But the ability to choose in us goes beyond laws because even the law givers cannot explain how they arrived at what is wrong or what is right. Somehow they just did. So this shows that Morality is greater than the law and was made for the law and not the law for morality. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by hopefulLandlord: 10:41pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: Did you try any of the other gods before chosing Yahweh? Tell me the truth Were you born a Christian? |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by dalaman: 10:43pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: And you are like Jesus how? Jesus will not be wasting time on the Internet with atheist will he? He'll be busy showing them signs and wonders. We were told that Jesus did so many great things that if all were to be written down all the books in the world will not contain them. This is the man you said you are supposed to take after and be like instead you are buying doing he said , she said with atheist despite Jesus promising you the ability to do greater things that him if you believe. You can't do anything like him because it is simply a lie and a myth. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by KingEbukaNaija: 10:43pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
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Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by winner01(m): 10:43pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:Look around you. Look at nairaland, look at foreign atheist forums. Then come back to tell me the God that atheists concern themselves with. I wouldnt concern myself with a lie either. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by hopefulLandlord: 10:45pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: Your number 4, seriously? Did you know that people are sentenced to death for stealing in China? I remember the agricultural bank heist perpetrators cuz I read about it recently |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by dalaman: 10:45pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
[quote author=KingEbukaNaija post=47614749][/quote] If Christ is not a myth you should be doing greater things than him . After all he promised you that you will do that. You can't because his promise is mythical. |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by winner01(m): 10:46pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:I was not born a Christian. And yes, i weighed the available options. No worldview makes sense as much as Christianity. And thats simply because it corresponds to something true. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by KingEbukaNaija: 10:46pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
dalaman: This guy must have been to all the Christian households and countries to have made this brilliant conclusion . This Lagos man 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by dalaman: 10:48pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
winner01: Its simply because most atheist were former Christians or from.the west where christianity is the dominant religion. Visit ex muslim forums on the Internet. Jesus and the bible gets no menton. Only Allah and the Koran. |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by winner01(m): 10:49pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
dalaman: 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by hopefulLandlord: 10:49pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
winner01: That's because majority of those that become atheists were former Christians Most of the foreign atheists forums are owned by Americans and English, cohntries which Christianity is their most predominant religion, hence they'll attack Christianity more |
Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by Nobody: 10:49pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: Do2 mind the confused cloudgoddess so morality changes as the world progresses and we are supposed to change with it because its the fashion statement for that era? Lol "moral progress" . Morality has a standard that cannot be influenced by any government or law or modernisation. If it did then it would get to a time when raping of people like you cloudgoddess wouldnt be immoral but good fun and where snatching your car would just be another biz on the street and they would even open a store with the signboard boldly displayed saying, " BUYING STOLEN CARS, WE WILL GIVE YOU 2 FOR THE PRICE OF ONE" 2 Likes 1 Share |
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