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Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by damogul: 11:38am On Jul 26, 2016 |
kilo4sure: Let me help him break it down so he would understand it better. Knowledge just helped us confirm that it was wrong from the beginning so even if it was done back then it was still wrong morally and todays knowledge just helped to confirm it as being morally wrong in support of the Christian position. understand dalaman? |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by dalaman: 11:40am On Jul 26, 2016 |
damogul: The average age of marriage at that time was 12 -16. He would have followed the normal Jewish tradition. Child marriage wasn't seen as anything wrong as such Jesus did not even touch on it because it wasn't a big deal. 2 Likes |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by damogul: 11:40am On Jul 26, 2016 |
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Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by ifenes(m): 11:43am On Jul 26, 2016 |
[quote author=damogul post=47900533][/quote] Don't quote me next time, you have nothing to say 2 Likes |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by damogul: 11:44am On Jul 26, 2016 |
dalaman: He did not need to touch it in order to satisfy your likes. Those who practice child marriages today are they Christians? Like it or not He addressed it in a deeper manner by fixing the depraved reasoning in man through His spirit so we don't just talk against it but live our lives against it. If you are not convinced, I am! |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by Nobody: 11:45am On Jul 26, 2016 |
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Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by damogul: 11:47am On Jul 26, 2016 |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by kilo4sure: 12:02pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
dalaman:Jesus hardly gave any law, he rather loved teaching, most of his teachings surprisingly unlike those of any other rabbi in those days were stories that applied to the people and their present environment, the readers who have the spirit of christ could then interpret the stories and have a shift in paradigm, from there ethics are influenced generally. This is the christian style. |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by Nobody: 12:08pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
babajeje123:No I Don't But U Do So Answer The Question Cause This Is Base On U Believing In That Ridiculous Book Isn't It Silly?? 1 Like |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by damogul: 12:13pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
kilo4sure: Atheists just don't get it.
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Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by kilo4sure: 12:26pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
damogul:Lol, l wonder why they also think this way. Muslims generally are usually the ones who bring up such arguments to justify the acts of Muhammed, but l fail to see what the atheists want to achieve with this. |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by Nobody: 12:32pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: Why do you ask me? I am not a Christian. I am a Muslim. |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by hopefulLandlord: 12:39pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
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Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by hopefulLandlord: 12:42pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
damogul: So you're saying your personal values determines this? Your basis is personal Yet when you guys open threads on insest and bestiality and some atheists say their personal value is against it, you guys never accepted the answer but kept on saying its not enough basis Here you are saying the same thing Sounds like hypocrisy 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by damogul: 12:58pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: Again you answer without first understanding! My personal values have a foundation and that foundation is Christ! The society or law cannot over rule what the spirit of Christ in me declares. My foundation is firm and rooted in Righteousness but what are yours rooted in? |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by flamingREED(m): 1:03pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
stephendamsoho: Learn from conscience: Romans 2 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another Does your conscience approve of it? Learn from nature: 1 Corinthians 11 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? Romans 1 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: You can understand how God is or wants you to live by observing nature- the things that are made_ Nature sums up anatomy and working of all things_ Is underrage marriage a distortion of nature? Does it harm nature in any way? Yes, in a way: Learn from science/human understanding which proceeds from God: Daniel 1 17 As for these four children, God gave them knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom: and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams. Job 32 8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding. Job 28 12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding? 23 God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof. 27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out. God is much in favor of science and learning. Now, does science negate for support underage marriage in anyway? Even so does God stand against it_ That's it's not in the Bible does not mean God's speechless_ He's loaded man with wit enough by which humans also should both prove themselves and be grateful that He made a valuable creation' |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by hopefulLandlord: 1:05pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
damogul:Christ never condemned it This is very simple, so unless you said Christ condemned it personally to you and only you, then all good 3 Likes |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by flamingREED(m): 1:07pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: The Christian God created men and gave them brains efficient enough to know right and wrong_ And it's not out of godliness if you: Learn from conscience: Romans 2 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another Does your conscience approve of it? Learn from nature: 1 Corinthians 11 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? Romans 1 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: You can understand how God is or wants you to live by observing nature- the things that are made_ Nature sums up anatomy and working of all things_ Is underrage marriage a distortion of nature? Does it harm nature in any way? Yes, in a way: Learn from science/human understanding which proceeds from God: Daniel 1 17 As for these four children, God gave them knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom: and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams. Job 32 8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding. Job 28 12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding? 23 God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof. 27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out. God is much in favor of science and learning. Now, does science negate for support underage marriage in anyway? Even so does God stand against it_ That's it's not in the Bible does not mean God's speechless_ He's loaded man with wit enough by which humans also should both prove and be grateful that He made a valuable creation' God's Swordsman_ |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by hopefulLandlord: 1:10pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
damogul: And you my good sir decided to answer it 2x? |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by damogul: 1:13pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: Why do you find it hard to understand the simplest of things? This is your thread but you do not even understand anything in it and from it. Backtrack on this thread and see where I akready addressed this and kilo4sure also addressed this. Learn to grasp stuff quickly and in a snap...tic tic tic like that. You are not !
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Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by hopefulLandlord: 1:17pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
flamingREED: Oga this is very simple, conscience is most times determined by societal laws So long Society is not against it, some people's conscience might not be against it And then I usually use the conscience argument when asked about bestiality and insest which your brothers never found valid enough
These don't address it 1 Like |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by hopefulLandlord: 1:20pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
damogul: Learn to be coherent or upgrade your thinking a bit, you might like it It was NEVER addressed If your god addressed adultery and fornication which are brought about by sex at the time in different bible verses. Why then is the bible silent on this issue? Was there no one at that time regarded to have involved himself in child marriage? Almost all vices possible at that time were well addressed by your book Why the silence on certain matters? Think and stop this rigmarole of yours And stop quoting out of context parts of the bible to suit your argument, its dishonest and Pathetic Even scholars regard Mary to be underage (by today's standards) when he married Joseph 4 Likes |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by hopefulLandlord: 1:29pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
KingEbuka has given a honest reply and left Give society its due 1 Like |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by kilo4sure: 1:31pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:Christ never came to dictate for us, he came to challenge our thinking about God and righteousness. For example it is still a surprise to historians today that the average Roman of ancient times saw nothing wrong in gladiatorial sports, it was fun, and a way to enjoy themselves the way we gather to enjoy football, the film Spartacus depicts this. When the Romans became Christians, a monk put an end to these practices, it did not just go down well with the spirit of Christianity. Probably other christian Romans in those days would argue like you that Christ did not condemn it. Also some Christians argued that Christ did not condemn slavery, but some Christians had always argued that it was at odd with the spirit of Christ, (google popes and slavery). Christ never condemned them. Note that no society ever condemned slavery including the atheists. The Christians led primarily by William Wilberforce and evangelist John Wesley condemned slavery even though other Christians argued. Be it in the bible or not, they knew that some things were at odds with the general teachings of Christ and their conscience. Now if it was an atheistic society, some atheists would argue against your doctrine of moral evolution to condemn these practices, as long as slavery helps your society, there is no reason to condemn it. Afterall slaves built the pyramids of Egypt, they also helped greatly in some of the projects for their masters, allowing the free citizens reap from their labor. How would you have convinced your fellow atheists hopefullandlord, about the evil of slavery? |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by flamingREED(m): 1:33pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: Conscience isn't determined by society; It can only be affected by it. And I thought you'd understand how I meant that God and science are on the same page in this argument. Is it scientifically okay to lay a 12 year old maid? Nah_ It's against science, nature and the common conscience, and therefore I learn that God is against it' Lastly, to think that you as a Muslim called together atheists to behold this controversy is an indicator that you have a conscience society affects, not that God controls_ |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by Nobody: 1:34pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
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Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by Nobody: 1:36pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: No hard feelings, though I am mystified why anyone would think I was a Christian; of all the existing religious persuasions. |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by hopefulLandlord: 1:36pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
flamingREED: We are talking conscience and conscience alone Granted its affected by it but we are still saying the same thing Society may affect his conscience into marrying a 12 year old, since its not illegal How then is it wrong? Don't bring science in pls If your (enemy's) daughter that's 14 decides to marry a Muslim and the Muslim agrees to marry her, how do you use the bible to convince him to wait? Since society allows it and the bible didn't directly antagonise it? Would you be quoting all the verses of yours? Do they sound convincing enough to you? 2 Likes |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by JackBizzle: 1:41pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: 1 Like |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by damogul: 1:41pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: Before I answer your question I need you to answer this personal question. .. is child marriage a wicked thing to you or a kind thing or a noble thing? Answer me this and I promise to follow through with the answer to ur question. |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by hopefulLandlord: 1:49pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
damogul: Good to see that passive aggressive stance of yours loosen a bit My conscience finds it wrong But that's my conscience and I've always maintained that conscience and society determines what's right and wrong for me YOU Christians claim bible is your source of morality and won't take conscience as a valid answer when given for bestiality and insest Since that same book didn't condemn what we now call "child marriage" (mind you, what we call child marriage now is a lot different from those times, an 18 year old should not be in her father's house in those days) what makes it wrong? Like I said, if you say its a Personal thing, then all good, that's valid enough for me personally but since you didn't take that Personal explanation when tendered for bestiality and insest, it would be hypocrisy to tender it now I need you to understand where I'm coming from 5 Likes |
Re: Christians, Is Paedophilia And "Underage" Marriage Right Or Wrong? by flamingREED(m): 2:00pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: Alright_ Enjoy the life your god gave you without brains_ |
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