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Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by LordOfNaira: 7:21pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
I am a traditionalist but I have a lot of respect for people of other faiths. My problem with most Christians is their lack of patience with people of differing faiths or opinions and their unwillingness to argue constructively. Their desire to swallow everything that is in their Bible without even trying to put them into perspectives is worrisome. Their Bible even advises them not to seek knowledge but to follow the teachings in it blindly. When I ask certain questions, they are always quick to quote that their Bible asks them not to question it. Sounds to me like bondage. A normal human being should be able to ask certain questions but the Bible doesn't want Christians to ask questions that is normal for a human being to ask. Sometimes I ask questions about my origin, my purpose on earth, why whatever created me created me. I don't feel human without these curiosities yet my Christian friends are quick to tell me not to ask questions. Another thing I have with a lot of Christians is their judgemental attitude. Always quick to condemn you and yet to call Muslims fanatics and all sorts of names. I am a traditionalist and I believe in good rewards at the end of time. Christians emphasize believing in Jesus as what grants you eternal life. I think this is not OK. I think being good to your fellow human beings is. And most Christians that I know do not even know how to be good to their fellow human beings, especially, if they have differing beliefs. 2 Likes |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Nobody: 7:37pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
MetaHuman:your thoughts |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by ugleenerd: 8:05pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
Y'all need Jesus. |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Nobody: 8:06pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
honourhim:looks like you have problem with comprehension cos you just repeated everything I said. Read slowly before you quote. To a computer, I'm eternal cos I'm not subjected to internal workings of a computer, I created it. But I have to be somewhere to create computer, which is earth (universe). Then who created earth, you will say god did it. Then where was god when he created this universe? Outside universe right? Then who created that outside universe and who created god into outside universe or did he just appear from no where and started creating our universe. If then so, it means its possible for me to appear from no where and start creating computer out of nothing. Hope you will read slowly this time and not ramble. You lot just don't get the idea of eternal god is dumb and not even biblical. 1 Like |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by ogbobo: 8:35pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
This topic is very intresting and mind spinning.It like where were you before you are conceived? |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by honourhim: 8:48pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
MetaHuman: you are the one dumb. Does the computer know how you(its creator) came into existence? Then how can your small brain (which you think is big) fashion out how God (your creator) came into existence. You seem to be confused. |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Nobody: 9:17pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
honourhim:why are you so frustrated ... You lot want us to believe its impossible for anything to come out of nothing, but you can't explain where your god came from and who created him or his/its world. We don't even know which of the gods created the universe. Is it Allah, Zeus of yaweh? I believe superman created you and you will be too stupid not to accept that superham created you.. Bakas. |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Nobody: 9:22pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
God was chilling in his Jacuzzi...all of a sudden, he just wanted to visit Eden, but Eden never set...so God made heaven and earth and set Eden die |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Aywire(m): 9:37pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
What is causing this confusion is that man is confined to time, and with time comes birth and death, thats why every one has a birthday. God does not have a birthday or a calendar or a wall clock, so he never at a time began to exist. He has always been, and will continue to be. Eternity will be such a strange thing for man to comprehend.... Lol |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by softwhispers: 11:26pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
Software202: What Is Heaven Like? SOME people think that it is impossible to know about heaven because no one has ever come down from there to tell us about it. Perhaps they have forgotten that Jesus said: “I have come down from heaven.” (John 6:38) To some religious leaders, he also said: “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above.” (John 8:23) What did Jesus say about heaven? Jesus confirmed that heaven is where Jehovah resides. He called God “my Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 12:50) But Jesus used the word “heaven” in more than one sense. For example, he referred to the earth’s atmosphere as “heaven” when he said: “Observe intently the birds of heaven.” (Matthew 6:26) Nevertheless, Jehovah lives beyond the atmosphere. The Bible says: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.”—Isaiah 40:22. Does the “Father who is in heaven” live among the stars? The physical universe is also called “heaven” in the Holy Scriptures. For example, one psalmist wrote: “When I see your heavens, the works of your fingers, the moon and the stars that you have prepared, what is mortal man that you keep him in mind?”—Psalm 8:3, 4. No, Jehovah God does not have to live inside the physical universe that he created any more than a carpenter has to live inside acupboard that he makes. Thus, when King Solomon dedicated the temple in Jerusalem to Jehovah, he said: “Will God truly dwell upon the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens, themselves cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built!” (1 Kings 8:27) If Jehovah does not dwell in the physical heaven, what is the heaven where he does dwell? Although men have studied the physical heavens with powerful telescopes and some have traveled to outer space, what the Bible says remains true: “No man has seen God at any time.” (John 1:18) Jesus explained why when he said: “God is a Spirit.”—John 4:24. A spirit is a form of life higher than a human. A spirit is not composed of physical material, such as flesh and blood, that can be seen and felt by human senses. So when Jesus said that he used to dwell alongside his Father in “heaven,” he meant that he used to have a form of life that is more glorious than any physical form of life. (John 17:5; Philippians 3:20, 21) This spirit realm where Jesus used to live with his Father is what the Bible calls “heaven.” Source: http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010081?q=carpenter+cupboard&p=par |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by HCpaul(m): 12:00am On Aug 10, 2016 |
Horlufemi: This is exactly where the problem lies. How can you prove to me the theory of the supernatural by invoking natural phenomena? I hereby assume that you are ignorant of the above illustrations and I will break it down for you. The brain is the hardware of a computer. And The mind is the intelligent software. You can't hold softwares but they are real and natural. Infact, softwares are part of the hardware itself just that it is a scientific way of manipulating the hardware component effectively. And as for the computers brain, they understand only two languages I.e. 1 and 0. Every software you run on the computer are just a way of playing scramble with the hardware memory component in order to achieve a particular task and nothing else. Software is just the trick behind how computers hardware operate. That of human being may differ based on how the evolutionary process took place. For people that are not in the field, they may not know how it comes to be but for professionals it is just a process. When you don't know something, you don't assume to know it by claiming that a devine personality is responsible for it but you instead embark yourself on research until the truth has been discovered. The value of a man does not depend on the amount of problems he discovered and assume answers for but solely depends on the amount of solutions that he provides to the problems discovered. |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by nwamehn: 2:31am On Aug 10, 2016 |
promise10: Though u ar making a lot of sense, but if someone doesn't seem to get what u ar trying to explain, perhaps u explain to him better and not insult him first before ur explanation. |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by orisa37: 3:16am On Aug 10, 2016 |
In God's Sphere. |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Horlufemi(m): 5:15am On Aug 10, 2016 |
HCpaul: software is not part of the hardware oga. The human mind isn't natural, you can copy software, you can't copy the mind from one human to another human you know you can install different OS on the same Hardware. You also mean to tell me that an amoeba has a mind too. interesting. I see you avoided the other part. answer the other part. Information/DNA. |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 5:43am On Aug 10, 2016 |
Horlufemi:nt a mind..go read up neuroscience man.. Its all back to the survival instinct we all have... |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 5:53am On Aug 10, 2016 |
lol...god cud exist without being created..bt the universe cant also apply the same pattern..lol.. Christians claim to refute abiogenesis bt believe in it more than atheists... Gen:let the earth bring forth animals...let the water bring forth fish...lol waters of two different densities do not mix... The air in a sphere(3d) cannot be be injected into a rectangle(2d)...(my hypothesis tho)..for those saying he is awtside space time... Christians and flawed logics are bff's
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Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 5:56am On Aug 10, 2016 |
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Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Horlufemi(m): 5:59am On Aug 10, 2016 |
raphieMontella: lol, I agree to disagree. Mr atheist. you keep avoiding the other part of my question. I hope you won't avoid it again. Do you accept all information comes from a mind? as in no exceptions. You also accept that information can be transmitted, transcribed and copied? Do you accept that I formation and medium are unrelated. e.g. A name on a Microsoft word document and be printed, read, scanned, Ocr sent. the paper is not the information, the screen is not the information, and the air where the name was spoken are not the information. good. The genes that made you up is DNA. right? I hope you accept DNA is not genes and that DNA carries information (genes). The information on the DNA where did it come from? don't tell me random chance, please cos that is like saying you laid up all the components that made up an helicopter on the ground then an hurricane came and blew them together and formed a fully functional helicopter. it can't happen because 2nd law thermodynamics. so tell me where did the information come from. Thanks. |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Nobody: 6:04am On Aug 10, 2016 |
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Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by fowosh: 6:51am On Aug 10, 2016 |
if u c Him ..ask him |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Nobody: 7:22am On Aug 10, 2016 |
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Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 8:18am On Aug 10, 2016 |
Horlufemi:clearly u dnt know what the 2nd law of thermodynamics is...it has ntin to do wit dna sequencing...it deals with entropy.. And ure mistaking it... All information is stored in our dna...abiogenesis didnt occur by chance... Biochemistry is not chance. It inevitably produces complex products. Amino acids and other complex molecules are even known to form in space.... . Nobody knows what the most primitive cells looked like. All the cells around today are the product of billions of years of evolution. The earliest self-replicator was likely very much simpler than anything alive today; self- replicating molecules need not be all that complex and protein bulding systems can also be simple . Nobody denies that the origin of life is an extremely difficult problem. That it has not been solved, though, does not mean it is impossible. In fact, there has been much work in this area, leading to several possible origins for life on earth... if u mean order coming from chaos..... Growth and order can be seen arising without a program in many places. Clouds form complex orderly patterns. Streams sort the size of the stones in their bed along their length. Cooling basalt forms a hexagonal pattern of cracks. All of these show an increase in organization, and none involve any program..... The second law of thermodynamics is about spontaneous heat flow or, more generally, about the impossibility to perform useful work indefinitely Evolution does not violate the second law of thermodynamics. Order emerges from disorder all the time The sun provides more than enough energy to drive things. If a mature tomato plant can have more usable energy than the seed it grew from, why should anyone expect that the next generation of tomatoes can't have more usable energy still? However, not only is life irrelevant to the 2nd law, but order from disorder is common in nonliving systems, too. Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning and embryos develop, etc.are just a few examples of order coming from disorder in nature; none require an intelligent program to achieve that order. If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why is it ubiquitous in nature? |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 8:23am On Aug 10, 2016 |
jackpiperr:did u type all these for me?...lol the reasonable dudes have picked up the meaning of what m implying... The ignorant persons like u wud still spew ignorance awt..the same way u spew awt disbelief in abiogenesis..bt believe it in a biblical sense...a |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 8:38am On Aug 10, 2016 |
u knw the bible is limited human understanding and still u folllow it and complain abt it..bro pls choose one...are u a christian or a deist or an atheist?..stop interchanging/entangling urself in all.. I personally suspect ure tryna play pascal's wager... .. U know the god(cud be natural) who created the universe is nt the biblical one(u believe in the ... multiverse.)nd still wriggle abt? M glad u knw the true religion is ''LOVE''...im impressed ... m also glad u knw religion is man made and that god of the universe(cud be nature) is not an abrahamic god... .. That god of the universe(cud be natural) wud nt need ur tiny worship... Ure mixed up bro...find urself...quit that pascal's wager shvt... The fear of hell...lol...overcome it... |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Horlufemi(m): 9:06am On Aug 10, 2016 |
raphieMontella: I'm not talking of order and patterns. patterns can be made from anywhere and carry no information. it's just patterns nothing more nothing less. it's like saying all pieces of paper with musical notes on them are nothing but rectangles. they are rectangles but have musical notes written on them. the notes can be transcribed to an instrument and be listened to. that's information. DNA isn't a pattern. the helix is a pattern the information the helix carries isn't a pattern. since you can't answer me where the information comes from. I will still believe there is a God. Please, don't tell me by chance. I've crunched the numbers. It's impossible. it was created purposely, by who? be my guest. I mean information. Information shouldn't stand without being destroyed. life happening by chance is impossible. crunch the numbers and try it yourself. You will see. I expected that from you. It takes more faith to believe in evolution than to believe in God. You can't rule out a creator I used to be an atheist but men u can't rule out a creator. blame all the people who use God's name to commit atrocities. There is a creator you can deny it but deep down you long for him and u know he's already connected to you. You see these scientists they don't know jack rather than say they don't know they keep directing all honor away from God. blah blah blah you still don't believe. do your own findings. |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Nobody: 10:06am On Aug 10, 2016 |
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Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 10:34am On Aug 10, 2016 |
Horlufemi:information coded in dna?... I doubt uve done a core research or were deeply scientifically inclined... Evolution doesnt take faith...twist it however u want...evolution is a fact...u mistake fact for faith..i might as well say believing that the earth is suspended by gravity in space is faith and all other scientific established theories... What u can say takes faith is ''abiogenesis'' bt by a little scale...its much easier to believe in a god than to find out the truth... Like i said....life on early earth may not have been complex like it is now... Nobody said life happened by chance... What is as a result of chance is the position of our earth in the universe...we are products of evolution...going back in time is really hard especially life's origin..so take ur time nd read what i sent above nd below Once a molecule forms that is approximately self-replicating, natural selection will guide the formation of ever more efficient replicators. The first self-replicating object didn't need to be as complex as a modern cell or even a strand of DNA. Some self-replicating molecules are not really all that complex (as organic molecules go). One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer... And does nt definitely imply god... We have seen stars form awta supernova and planets forming also...all without the help of a ''god'' ...on dna... Information is not meaning and does not, per se, imply any special structure or function. Any arrangement implies information; the information is how the arrangement is described. If a new arrangement occurs, whether spontaneously or from the outside, new information is assembled in the process. Even if the arrangement consists of shattering a glass into tiny pieces, that means assembling new information. Nothing needs to assemble itself. DNA could have evolved gradually from a simpler replicator; RNA is a likely candidate, since it can catalyze its own duplication.The RNA itself could have had simpler precursors, such as peptide nucleic acids..A deoxyribozyme can both catalyze its own replication and function to cleave RNA -- all without any protein enzymes... All i do know is that origin of life(bio life) is a knowledge block for now...but science is jst a baby...in the next centuryy..science wud have been dope...u see the tin is... Your argument creates a god of the gaps. Gods were responsible for lightning and thunder until we determined natural causes for lightning, for infectious diseases until we found bacteria and viruses, for mental illness until we found biochemical causes for them. God is confined only to those parts of the universe we do not know about, and that keeps shrinking... Well everyone has a choice..bt as for me and my generation..I(we) will nt fill a knowledge block with a god... |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 11:28am On Aug 10, 2016 |
jackpiperr: im happy u get the idea that religion is supposed to be centred on love...bt these days its smtin else...jesus's teachings were majorly love...his two commandments are love... Bt religions mistranslate their holy books... I do not believe in the after life... I believe that when u die...u die and cease to be in existence...jst like u were non existent before u were conceived... |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by honourhim: 11:42am On Aug 10, 2016 |
MetaHuman:. You have finally displayed your gross stupldity. |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by winj3: 11:52am On Aug 10, 2016 |
AlphaCentauri: So why does god keep playing hide and seek with mumu Christians? why does prayers not work? Why do you have to pray several times a day for years and decades, is god deaf? Fulani herdsmen pray before going for attacks, the victims also pray...god must like the herdsmen prayer more? Commonsense should solve this god matter, ah but wait majority of black africans are lacking it |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by freeedosa(m): 12:13pm On Aug 10, 2016 |
WHERE DO GOD COME FROM BREAKING THE CODES ON TOUGH BIBLICAL QUESTIONS He was in eternity. I hope this answer their questions. We BELIEVE before we UNDERSTAND and that's FAITH. flash=200,200[/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CcWao4ZK_Y] |
Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by Nobody: 2:28pm On Aug 10, 2016 |
honourhim:hahahahahaha frustrated Dumbass. Abeg take your empty brain outta here lemme someone with brain quote me. |
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