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Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 4:43pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
hopefuLandlord:Brain na!!!! You see, i choose my words carefully, i ddnt say we should stick to religion, i havent made such statement. This thread only exposes atheism. If anything, Jesus is the answer for the world. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 4:45pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
hopefuLandlord:[size=17pt]The only solution ive not proferred here is that A Relationship with God is the answer. And that is the solution. Ordinary theism will lead nowhere.[/size] |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 4:45pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
hopefuLandlord:Brain na!!!! You see, i choose my words carefully, i ddnt say we should stick to religion, i havent made such statement. This thread only exposes atheism. If anything, Jesus is the answer for the world. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 4:46pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
DeSepiero:I started by making claims and giving proof, have you seen anyone refute my evidence except strawman and ad hominems. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 4:47pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:You wish they were dishonest. I give proofs supporting my claim, else it would have been easy to refute them. No one can dispute the evidences in my posts simply because they are the truth. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Weah96: 4:48pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
"Thus, according to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record." By the end of the 19th century, writes David E. Stannard, a historian at the University of Hawaii, native Americans had undergone the"worst human holocaust the world had ever witnessed, roaring across two continents non-stop for four centuries and consuming the lives of countless tens of millions of people." In the judgment of Lenore A. Stiffarm and Phil Lane, Jr.,"there can be no more monumental example of sustained genocide—certainly none involving a 'race' of people as broad and complex as this—anywhere in the annals of human history."http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302 Another one: https://espressostalinist.com/genocide/native-american-genocide/ The American Indian Holocaust, known as the “500 year war” and the “World’s Longest Holocaust In The History Of Mankind And Loss Of Human Lives.” Why do you ignore 100 million dead humans? Narrative doesn't add up, heh? 1 Like |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 4:51pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
DeSepiero:I started by making claims and giving proof, have you seen anyone refute my evidence except strawman and ad hominems. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 4:56pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
Weah96:But why now? I want to know where the indians were killed because of their disbelief in God or because americans wanted their lands. You dont always have to bring up anything just to meet up with the madness of atheism. I always included non religious, non atheistic deaths in my proof. Im not a bias person. Its like calling nigerian-cameroon struggle for land a religious war. Dont be desperate when you dont have answers na www.nairaland.com/attachments/3861249_img20160608072600edit_png0d6c36e885a2749ff7ee439996b28aaf |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 4:57pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
AmenRa1:Okay sir. Mouth=100% Proof with valid statistics=0% You try. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 5:01pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
Seun:Seun, do you want me to prove the intolerance of 2016 atheists to you, just say the magic word. Im not trolling you. Ive made my comparisons and backed them with proof, that's not trolling. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 5:02pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
hopefuLandlord:Ive told you. Religion is not the solution, Jesus is the solution. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Kay17: 5:03pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I agree with you to a great extent though we are yet to establish what makes Christianity special from other ruinous religions.. I think what should make Christianity better is because it tells the truth. Right? |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 5:05pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
AnonyNymous:My mind is open to evidences that can disprove my claims, not emotional statements that seeks to dilute the truth. You want to explain the contextual meaning of when one says: Religion is a disease and should be eradicated. ok! Go on, i'm listening. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Nobody: 5:06pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
winner01:I'm not diluting anything, I explained in my first post and then in my responses to king Ebuka, read those objectively first |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:07pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: Christianity is also the rejection of all other gods . Due to atheism , the founders of Marxism and Leninism developed several critical beliefs about religion . Communism , Marxism-Leninism , simply means "abolish religion and impose atheism " . It had nothing to do with the personal desires of those atheist potentates . They killed because their political ideologies were caused by atheism - the rejection of gods and religion Atheists rely on different ideologies INDUCED by their disbelief in God and religion - atheism . Now look at this , the bellicose rabid theists kill because of the ideologies induced by their belief and religion , and bellicose rabid atheists kill or are malevolent because of the ideologies induced by the disbelief and rejection of religion Eg communism . For the rabid theists they want to impose their religion because of their religious ideologies and for the rabid atheists they want to impose atheism and abolish religion because of the atheistic ideologies e.g communism . Plus you have to impugn their morality - subjective morality , whereby what is morally wrong or right is due to a person's personal perceptive. What was their perspective on how to annihilate religion ? Kill the contumacious religious people . Why is it the right thing to do ? Because they are perceived as encumbrances to development due to their beliefs . See ? The killings were justified from their personal perspective . Of course we know that the religious agrees to objective morality . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 5:07pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
chijiblaze:Maybe you need to read the quotes of those individuals in the op. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Weah96: 5:10pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
winner01: Christians exterminated them in order to occupy their lands. The fact that they were indigenous heathens had everything to do with it. Can we divorce purpose from identity? Stalin killed those opposed to his ideas, did he kill because people believed in god? That's a real narrow way of presenting an argument. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 5:11pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
AnonyNymous:You did not give any evidence refuting my claim, you've only tried to redefine what communism stands for albeit in a disgraceful manner. KingEbukasBlog has dealt with those sorta dishonesty smoothly. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Ranchhoddas: 5:12pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
winner01:Like the truth about Hitler being atheist right? |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 5:14pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
Weah96:Should I provide you with 10 quotes from stalin against religion and religious people while you provide me with just one religious quote from any of the leaders of the Amer-indian wars? 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:15pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
Weah96: Read my post above and refute if you can . Atheists killed because they rejected gods and religion and wanted to impose atheism . It had nothing to do with personal beliefs . For Christ's sake , we have posted their atheistic views about religion and quotes about life and did not surmise but indeed proved with evidence that atheism is culpable for those deaths . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 5:16pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:Should I provide you with 5 quotes of Hitler against christianity and the dates, while you provide for me just 1 pro-christian quite from Hitler after the dates i will provide? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Weah96: 5:16pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
winner01: One man is the solution to the problems of the whole world, and he's Israeli by origin. Ok. Sounds like Donald Trump a few weeks ago. He called himself the ONLY solution for America's problems and got riduculed for expressing megalomania in public. But i get your point. This your Jesus created the whole universe. Before he became an Israeli human and died. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 5:23pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
Weah96:If Jesus were to come from Nigeria, israelites will say the same thing, if he was to fly to earth from heaven, you'll still say the same thing Jesus had to come from somewhere bro. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Ranchhoddas: 5:28pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
winner01:Please explain to me how opposition to Christianity equates atheism. Show me one quote where Hitler renounced belief in a Higher Power. 1 Like |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Nobody: 7:02pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:You've presented a really good case here. Tell your friend winner how to debate. Its not about saying derogatory words to your opponent in order to attempt to intimidate them. However, I would like to point out one thing. Atheism and Anti-theism are two distinct philosophies. . . the former is unbelief, and the second is a counter belief. There are many overlapping principles, common to both, but there are differences. The quote 'abolish religion and impose atheism' - it crosses the thin line from atheism to anti-theism. Communism as an ideology is can only be successful in an atheistic community. However, forcefully imposing communism will lead to anti-theistic actions. If you recall, in my first reply, I said this Marxist idea was ideal, but not practically applicable. ****** Imagine theism as a person saying 'Blue is the best color! Everything should be painted blue!' An atheist would say 'Blue is not the best color. . . there's no best color lol' . . . an anti-theist would say 'Nobody should have a best color because there's no such thing! So if you have a best color I'll kill you!' You can see the overlap and the difference. Slight, but it's there. ******* As for their morality, I could say that most atheists depend on secular rules, devoid of any religious influence. Such as the human rights by the United Nations. Morality being subjective doesn't mean that you can do whatever you like. Morality in our case is determined by what is best for all of humanity. I think I've made a post about this before. When crabs are climbing out of a bucket, each one drags the other back down and none of them escape. Our intelligence has made us understand that working together will help all of us escape from the bucket. Therefore our morality is based on whatever is best for mankind. Giving everyone an equal chance to contribute. That's what we mean by subjective. 'What is best for mankind' can change over time, depending on our understanding of things. Killing of another human being violates that. If your argument is that 'they believe in religion and religion has hindered development' then you also need to remember that religious ideas are intangible. Religious people are not the hindrance, its the ideas which they believe in that make them religious and those ideas can change at any time. If a cup is full of acid, the solution isn't to break the cup, but pour away the acid and replace it with whatever's better. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 7:04pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:hahahahaha , Na so you wan do am I tire oo. You people ehn |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 7:07pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
AnonyNymous, what exactly do you believe in? |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(m): 7:13pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
AnonyNymous:How do you intend to do this, you would have to kill someone like me to try to seperate me from my Creator. Many other people are like me. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Weah96: 7:21pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
winner01: EXACTLY. See, you can follow clues when you wanna. Jesus had to come from somewhere bro. No bro. Why must someone come bro? You envision a small minded creator bro, one burdened by human constraints and ideas. If Jesus was Nigerian, I would have kept quiet. Although that Olumba Olumba fellow is looking increasingly promising. 1 Like |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Nobody: 7:24pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
winner01:Nobody is separating you from your creator, nobody cares - thats the way it should be. Religion has too much influence and power over things that should be secular. |
Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by Nobody: 7:25pm On Aug 12, 2016 |
winner01:How is that relevant |
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