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Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:36am On Oct 27, 2016 |
Since Jesus was God, and Mary gave birth to Jesus, doesn't that make Mary the mother of God? |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by jcross19: 7:39am On Oct 27, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU:so tell us the father of God!!!!! |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:45am On Oct 27, 2016 |
jcross19: |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by sonmvayina(m): 8:09am On Oct 27, 2016 |
Nooooo....she is Lucifer, the light bearer...since jesus is the light (Gospel of john chapter |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:49pm On Oct 27, 2016 |
jcross19: This is an interesting proposition. |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by Ramon92: 2:17pm On Oct 27, 2016 |
How can God who created the world, who's omnipotent and omnipresent need anyone to come into the world?? Except if.. 1 Like |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by MrPRevailer(m): 2:47pm On Oct 27, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Jesus is the Word of God or Spirit/Son of God. Like saying my spirit is me. John 1:1, John 16:28, John 8:42. Mary is an ordinary human being God used to bring Jesus to the world in a human form. God is a God of Justice, the true Judge. It was done this way so that Jesus death on the cross can be justified. And Satan the accuser will have nothing to say against God. 1 Like |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:46pm On Nov 21, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Suggested answer here: https://gotquestions.org/Mary-mother-God-theotokos.html |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:17am On Dec 21, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Question: "Is Mary the mother of God (Theotokos)?" Answer: The phrase "mother of God" originated with and continues to be used in the Roman Catholic Church. One of the topics at the Council of Ephesus in AD 431 was the use of the Greek term Theotókos, or "God-bearer," in reference to Mary. That council officially proclaimed Mary as the "mother of God," and the doctrine was later included in the Catholic catechism. The idea behind calling Mary the "mother of God" is that, since Jesus is God and Mary is the mother of Jesus, she is the mother of God. |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by easymancfc(m): 1:26pm On Dec 21, 2016 |
So are you saying the that the incarnated Jesus was not God, that he was just man? |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:41pm On Dec 21, 2016 |
easymancfc:That is a form of nestorianism. |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:44pm On Dec 21, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU:IT DOES |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:45pm On Dec 21, 2016 |
jcross19:GOD only had a foster father, his name is joseph from d line of david. |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by easymancfc(m): 10:36pm On Dec 21, 2016 |
Ola... In the Bible Mary is addressed as the Mother of the Lord in Luke 1: 43 Why should this great thing happen to me, that my Lord's mother comes to visit me?.. |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by barongmj(f): 10:45pm On Dec 21, 2016 |
Because he has to come in flesh and blood, experience what we do nd lay an example that we might follow. If Jesus as come as a supernatural being that he is, am sure people will say he was perfect because he wasn't human so he had to come the human way and form so to teach us that we can also walk in holiness and righteousness even if we are in this world. Ramon92: |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by easymancfc(m): 11:52pm On Dec 21, 2016 |
According to the Bible especially other book of John: Jesus is God, according to Philippians 2 which is quoted in the article Jesus left his glory and emptied himself, he cannot empty his nature, which is God, but he left the glory in heaven that doesn't mean he left his divinity. Look at it this way, a rich guy pretends to be poor so that he can win a girl he loves over, does it mean that because he left his riches and is wearing rags, he is no longer the rich person that he was? Bible verses John 10:30 The Father and I are one.” If he and the father are one then... He is God also and the jews understood that because they wanted to kill him for that as seen in John 10:33 They answered, “We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!” John 5:18 This saying made the Jewish authorities all the more determined to kill him; not only had he broken the Sabbath law, but he had said that God was his own Father and in this way had made himself equal with God. Because he is the Lord of the Sabbath (mat 12: John 8:58 “I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.” Where Jesus uses the Divine Name of Exodus 3:14 for himself. For which they wanted to stone him again (John 8:48) I missed the simplest one of John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Look at it this way, your mother? Is she just the Mother of your body, or your body and soul? She is the Mother of the Person period, even if the person is a body and soul... Same goes for the otokos |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by Nobody: 11:56pm On Dec 21, 2016 |
God or no God. just be good. 1 Like |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by easymancfc(m): 11:56pm On Dec 21, 2016 |
According to the Bible especially the book of John: Jesus is God, according to Philippians 2 which is quoted in the article Jesus left his glory and emptied himself, he cannot empty his nature, which is God, but he left the glory in heaven that doesn't mean he left his divinity. Look at it this way, a rich guy pretends to be poor so that he can win a girl he loves over, does it mean that because he left his riches and is wearing rags, he is no longer the rich person that he was? Bible verses John 10:30 The Father and I are one.” If he and the father are one then... He is God also and the jews understood that because they wanted to kill him for that as seen in John 10:33 They answered, “We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!” John 5:18 This saying made the Jewish authorities all the more determined to kill him; not only had he broken the Sabbath law, but he had said that God was his own Father and in this way had made himself equal with God. Because he is the Lord of the Sabbath (mat 12:8 ) John 8:58 “I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.” Where Jesus uses the Divine Name of Exodus 3:14 for himself. For which they wanted to stone him again (John 8:48) I missed the simplest one of John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Look at it this way, your mother? Is she just the Mother of your body, or your body and soul? She is the Mother of the Person period, even if the person is a body and soul... Same goes for theotokos, we are not saying she has to predate Christ or has to be divine herself, But we are simply saying that Jesus is God and he has a mother. No other claim to her divinity is made, just like we don't separate your body from your soul when talking about your maternity I forgot about Isaiah Isaiah 9:6 A child is born to us! A son is given to us! And he will be our ruler. He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,” “Mighty God,” “Eternal Father,” “Prince of Peace.” JESUS is called all the above names by Isaiah Isaiah 7:14 Well then, the Lord himself will give you a sign: a young woman who is pregnant will have a son and will name him ‘Immanuel.’ What does Immanuel mean? Mat 1:23 tells us Mathew 1:23 “A virgin will become pregnant and have a son, and he will be called Immanuel” (which means, “God is with us”). So Jesus is "God with us". he is Man separately and God separately. HE IS BOTH GOD AND MAN AT THE Same time 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by easymancfc(m): 12:07am On Dec 22, 2016 |
I forgot about Isaiah Isaiah 9:6 A child is born to us! A son is given to us! And he will be our ruler. He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,” “Mighty God,” “Eternal Father,” “Prince of Peace.” JESUS is called all the above names by Isaiah Isaiah 7:14 Well then, the Lord himself will give you a sign: a young woman who is pregnant will have a son and will name him ‘Immanuel.’ What does Immanuel mean? Mat 1:23 tells us Mathew 1:23 “A virgin will become pregnant and have a son, and he will be called Immanuel” (which means, “God is with us”). So Jesus is God, he is Man separately and God separately. HE IS BOTH GOD AND MAN AT THE Same time |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:32am On Dec 22, 2016 |
easymancfc: What am saying is that Jesus being God from eternity arrived on earth as a man. The Son of God became the Son of man so as to make man become the sons of God. |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by easymancfc(m): 3:06am On Dec 22, 2016 |
Of course and I agree with that but did the Son of God stop being the Son of God when he became man? That's still the question |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:41am On Dec 22, 2016 |
easymancfc: "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (John 17:4-5). No, He did not stop being the Son of God but He did not come with His glory as God. He laid aside His glory for a time so that He can finish God's work with His creation. |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by easymancfc(m): 7:50am On Dec 22, 2016 |
Exactly, and I covered that in my first reply, Jesus is God by nature, Not just because of his Glory, yes he left his Glory, He didn't leave his nature. And again He is not just the Son of God, He is God |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by Syncan(m): 8:03am On Dec 22, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Does "laying aside his glory" make him less God? In other words, if I had worshiped him at that time, would I have committed idolatry? 4 Likes |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:04pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
MrPRevailer: I somehow missed your post. Good job! 1 Like |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:07pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Then you believe that Mary, at some point was greater than God, no? |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:12pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Was Joseph his foster father from eternity? or are you just saying God was born when Jesus was began His earthly ministry? |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:14pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
easymancfc: Does that mean that Mary was the mother of the Lord since eternity, if not, who was the mother of the Lord before He began His earthly sojourn? |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:16pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
barongmj: Good point. |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:22pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
easymancfc: If you say that Mary is the mother of the spirit, soul and body of our Lord Jesus Christ are you saying that Mary was the mother of the Spirit of Jesus even before He was incarnated? |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:24pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
easymancfc: Where was Mary when Jesus was in heaven sitting on the right hand of God? |
Re: Is Mary The Mother Of God? Is Mary The Theotokos (God-bearer)? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:25pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
easymancfc: When Isaiah gave that prophecy, where was Mary? |
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