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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 4:57pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


Does murder seem good to you? undecided
Am a realist so i should be asking you that

I believe in the universal low, u rights ends were another man own starts
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 5:00pm On Dec 04, 2016
Richirich713:


Lol you don't even considered it objectively wrong to kill the innocent. As I told u b4 God has the authority and right to take life.



Lol U are not omniscient, ur knowledge is limited, u not even sure if the nazi's did anything wrong, ur last comment regarding them implied u don't think they did wrong because they didn't think they were doing anything wrong.



Yep



Nope, man's not the creator and sustainer of another humans life and existence.

So let's assume the nazi's God commanded them. . So that ends it

A God that can't even fight mortals is who u worship

Israelis just use the imaginary God as an excuse

If i tell u GOD asked me to kill u how will u react??
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 5:01pm On Dec 04, 2016
Richirich713:


Lol you don't even considered it objectively wrong to kill the innocent. As I told u b4 God has the authority and right to take life.



Lol U are not omniscient, ur knowledge is limited, u not even sure if the nazi's did anything wrong, ur last comment regarding them implied u don't think they did wrong because they didn't think they were doing anything wrong.



Yep



Nope, man's not the creator and sustainer of another humans life and existence.
They way u guys quote Bible as an authority is laughable

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by Richirich713: 5:14pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:

They way u guys quote Bible as an authority is laughable

I hardly quote the bible when I'm talkin to skeptics, they bring up the bible to avoid defending their flawed views.
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by skeendyke: 5:15pm On Dec 04, 2016
donnffd:


Your second argument fails...the existence of good and evil doesn't imply an absolute moral law...you are taking a quantum leap from subjectivity into objectivity.

Good and evil doesnt exist outside the realm of humans, we are what give those words meaning because by definition, it is purely subjective on the human experience. So extrapolating that there is an objective law that determines this is like saying there is an objective way of experiencing Red, that is highly flawed.

In other words, anarchy is a welcome development based on your argument.

Again, why do people use the word 'wicked' in describing the extremist sect, boko haram, when all the murders they have committed is 'good' according to their subjective definition if the word?

Even if you don't agree with their definition, do you think they are right to act the way they do given the fact that morality does not have an objective scope of interpretation or definition?
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 5:28pm On Dec 04, 2016
Richirich713:


I hardly quote the bible when I'm talkin to skeptics, they bring up the bible to avoid defending their flawed views.

So were do u get the authority of God from, he can kill and not be questioned.. . From logic??

What makes u think biblical God is superior to amadiohia or Egyptian gods

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 5:31pm On Dec 04, 2016
skeendyke:


In other words, anarchy is a welcome development based on your argument.

Again, why do people use the word 'wicked' in describing the extremist sect, boko haram, when all the murders they have committed is 'good' according to their subjective definition if the word?

Even if you don't agree with their definition, do you think they are right to act the way they do given the fact that morality does not have an objective scope of interpretation or definition?

U shouldn't have mentioned bokoharam, to them they are fulfilling the basic reason the exits.. Kill the non believers of God, what could be better??
I laugh when Christians conderm bokoharam but praise joshua for killing innocent people to fulfil the promise of God
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:44pm On Dec 04, 2016
Kay17:


When God instructs you to

When the Giver of life takes life it is called executing judgment not murder. cool

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by skeendyke: 5:50pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


U shouldn't have mentioned bokoharam, to them they are fulfilling the basic reason the exits.. Kill the non believers of God, what could be better??
I laugh when Christians conderm bokoharam but praise joshua for killing innocent people to fulfil the promise of God

So what is your solution to the atheist's dilemma? What is your interpretation of morality?
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:52pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


I will feel the same u will feel if someone promised someone ur property without u knowing

God is the Landlord because He Created and Owns the land and He deserves the right to give it to whoever He wants. Don't you think? undecided

mrvitalis:


Please tell me what's the difference between killing and murder

What does it mean in the court of law when one gets charged for murder? Do you know why they do not say one is charged for killing? Can you think of what gets killed and yet is not a crime? undecided
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:55pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


Am a realist so i should be asking you that

I believe in the universal low, u rights ends were another man own starts

And who is to say that it is evil when one infringes on another man's right? undecided
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 5:57pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


God is the Landlord because He Created and Owns the land and He deserves the right to give it to whoever He wants. Don't you think? undecided



What does it mean in the court of law when one gets charged for murder? Do you know why they do not say one is charged for killing? Can you think of what gets killed and yet is not a crime? undecided






What prove do u have that there is a God
That the God is one
That a God created earth
That this God was the one who commanded someone to kill how can we verify this

If not i can commit any crime and clam God told me
If i do this can God prove otherwise??
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 5:59pm On Dec 04, 2016
skeendyke:


So what is your solution to the atheist's dilemma? What is your interpretation of morality?
Morality is a product of perception and which in turn is a product of what u have experienced, being told that's what build ur perception and which builds ur morals

There is just a basic law, fo what u wish and are comfortable with as far as it affects no one .. That's it
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 6:02pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


And who is to say that it is evil when one infringes on another man's right? undecided
No one.. We are all humans and are all equal, so in other to maintain peace an order was put in place.. That's just what brought about rights... The society now dictates what the majority is comfortable with its not about God or no no God.

There are many things God allowed that are morally bad now

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:03pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


What prove do u have that there is a God
That the God is one
That a God created earth
That this God was the one who commanded someone to kill how can we verify this

If not i can commit any crime and clam God told me
If i do this can God prove otherwise??

The only proof I'll give for now is the fact that there is good and evil. God is good, all the time. wink The onus is on you to prove that there is no good or evil.

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:15pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


No one.. We are all humans and are all equal, so in other to maintain peace an order was put in place.. That's just what brought about rights... The society now dictates what the majority is comfortable with its not about God or no no God.

Who put an order in place, the society? Which society is to say what the moral code should be? A racist society will believe that it is their right to be racists, other societies believe that it is ok to murder unborn babies, Islamic terrorists believe that it is moral to kill people of other religions or to ethnically cleanse a population, so which society should dictate what is comfortable to all of us? Who is to say which position is to be followed?

mrvitalis:


There are many things God allowed that are morally bad now

If you want to know what the Moral Law is look at the decalogue. (The 10 commandments). Tell me which one of them is morally bad in this day and age. undecided

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 6:16pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


The only proof I'll give for now is the fact that there is good and evil. God is good, all the time. wink The onus is on you to prove that there is no good or evil.

Ok define good and give example

Define bad and give examples
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:19pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


Ok define good and give example

Define bad and give examples

Look up the Moral Law (10 Commandments) and see whether you are a good person. Check it out here:==>www.needGod.com
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 6:21pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


Who put an order in place, the society? Which society is to say what the moral code should be? A racist society will believe that it is their right to be racists, other societies believe that it is ok to murder unborn babies, Islamic terrorists believe that it is moral to kill people of other religions or to ethnically cleanse a population, so which society should dictate what is comfortable to all of us? Who is to say which position is to be followed?



If you want to know what the Moral Law is look at the decalogue. (The 10 commandments). Tell me which one of them is morally bad in this day and age. undecided

We have the United nations that set standards for nations to abide by

God ordered Saul to kill a tribe is that morally right?
Choosing to love iseral over his brother is that morally right?

Asking Israelis to occupy a land thata not there own is that morally right?

Ordering killing of stubborn kids is that morally right?

Punishing man for hia fualt is that morally right?? Bro see there is nothing right or wrong is just perception

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 6:25pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


Look up the Moral Law (10 Commandments) and see whether you are a good person. Check it out here:==>www.needGod.com
The ten commandments has no limits... So if my parents order me to steal i am morally right ti do it??

Thou shall not kill, so i should not kill people who blasphem against God?

Bro please that's too weak
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:34pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


We have the United nations that set standards for nations to abide by

Do you think all societies abide by the UN's resolutions? Why would you think Muslims should take those resolutions above their Sharia law? Do those resolutions forbid the murder of unborn babies? Does the standard of the UN meet up with that of the Moral Law of God?

mrvitalis:


God ordered Saul to kill a tribe is that morally right?
Choosing to love iseral over his brother is that morally right?

Asking Israelis to occupy a land thata not there own is that morally right?

Ordering killing of stubborn kids is that morally right?

Punishing man for hia fualt is that morally right?? Bro see there is nothing right or wrong is just perception

The Uncreated Creator who Created life and land is the Only One who has the right to dispose or bequeath it to whomever He pleases. He is the Only One we are all accountable to and that is why we have to meet His standards or else... shocked

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:51pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


The ten commandments has no limits... So if my parents order me to steal i am morally right ti do it??

"Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right." (Ephesians 6:1).

The verse above is an expansion of the 5th commandment. You should only obey your parents as long as they are not breaking the Moral Law.

mrvitalis:


Thou shall not kill, so i should not kill people who blasphem against God?

You shall not commit murder, this goes beyond the physical shedding of blood. The Bible says the moment you hate your brother you have committed murder in your heart. Can the UN legislate against that?

mrvitalis:


Bro please that's too weak

The moment you visit the link I suggested above and test yourselve whether you are a good person according to God's standard then you may come back to tell me how this is too weak. cool

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 7:02pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


"Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right." (Ephesians 6:1).

The verse above is an expansion of the 5th commandment. You should only obey your parents as long as they are not breaking the Moral Law.



You shall not commit murder, this goes beyond the physical shedding of blood. The Bible says the moment you hate your brother you have committed murder in your heart. Can the UN legislate against that?



The moment you visit the link I suggested above and test yourselve whether you are a good person according to God's standard then you may come back to tell me how this is too weak. cool

What's God's standard??

Killing innocent people??
Taking what doesn't belong to u by force?
Ethnic cleansing??
Slavery?
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:47pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


What's God's standard??

Check out His Moral Law ==> www.NeedGod.com

mrvitalis:


Killing innocent people??
Taking what doesn't belong to u by force?
Ethnic cleansing??
Slavery?

Do you think the above is evil?
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 9:19pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


Check out His Moral Law ==> www.NeedGod.com



Do you think the above is evil?
Ur stupid Christian site is useless, honestly God in the Bible is worst than the devil

Killed people for his fault
Promised people another man's land
Chose lazy over had work
Ordered ethnic cleansing
Ordered profects to lie

Seriously biblical God is no way a standard for morals.. he is way below par
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 9:20pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


Check out His Moral Law ==> www.NeedGod.com



Do you think the above is evil?
Based on today world this things cant be allowed
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:45pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


Ur stupid Christian site is useless, honestly God in the Bible is worst than the devil

You still haven't taken the test. Is the devil evil?

mrvitalis:


Killed people for his fault
Promised people another man's land
Chose lazy over had work
Ordered ethnic cleansing
Ordered profects to lie

If you assume He is evil for doing these things then there most be good, no?

mrvitalis:


Seriously biblical God is no way a standard for morals.. he is way below par

If you take the test you will discover that man's law is no match for God's high standard.

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 10:59pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


You still haven't taken the test. Is the devil evil?
I have. ..And its just foolish
Evil is relative and perception but i know by any standard u chose the devil is better than the biblical God



If you assume He is evil for doing these things then there most be good, no?

As the world perceived it today.. . Mem stop forming smart and shifting the goal post

There is no good and there is no bad
God cant set the standard for good cos he wouldn't even qualify as good


If you take the test you will discover that man's law is no match for God's high standard.
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 11:00pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


Do you think all societies abide by the UN's resolutions? Why would you think Muslims should take those resolutions above their Sharia law? Do those resolutions forbid the murder of unborn babies? Does the standard of the UN meet up with that of the Moral Law of God?



The Uncreated Creator who Created life and land is the Only One who has the right to dispose or bequeath it to whomever He pleases. He is the Only One we are all accountable to and that is why we have to meet His standards or else... shocked
What prove do you have... What of the God that created the galaxies. ..
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by donnffd(m): 11:31pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


Committing murder is evil regardless of culture, society, colour, age, creed or sex. Are you saying that anyone has the right to murder you because they feel it is good?

Read my post well, i never said people should do what they like, I said good and evil is a subjective experience based on HUMAN BEINGS. So a law existing out of the collective subjective experience of humans wont be possible and would be frankly flawed.
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:31pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


What prove do you have... What of the God that created the galaxies. ..

The Infinite Uncreated Creator Created all things, including you. smiley

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:38pm On Dec 04, 2016
donnffd:


Read my post well, i never said people should do what they like, I said good and evil is a subjective experience based on HUMAN BEINGS. So a law existing out of the collective subjective experience of humans wont be possible and would be frankly flawed.

Read the OP and recalibrate your post. cool

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