Cromagnon:
define tech product.
Define foreign input.
This is where I will catch you.
No run o
Just list what you mean by tech and what you mean by input. General heading

In fact we can make pipe.
Battery
Engine block
Bicycle again
Screws
Bolt
Nut
Torch light
Phone
TV
Washing machine
Anything they make in China
Ordinary mechanics can be trained to mass produce in weeks
Zinox makes computers
Innoson makes cars
And they use local ppl so I don't get the pocket science you're talking.
All you need is gifted entrepreneur, like dangote and above

juman:
OP

The first thing to note is that there is no steady electricity supply in the country.

There is no hope it would be improved in near future because apc government lack the sense and brain to do that.

Without light how come to do industrialization.

EternalTruths:


Modern sophisticated products especially electrical, electronics, mechanical and chemical products we mostly import.

Which of them can you produce if given 100million naira to open a small factory.?


As for engine block and computer, non is produced in Nigeria

Innoson imports his engine but build his body parts in Nigeria

No where in Nigeria are microchips produced.

juman:
OP

The first thing to note is that there is no steady electricity supply in the country.

There is no hope it would be improved in near future because apc government lack the sense and brain to do that.

Without light how come to do industrialization.

Blue3k:

All these things cold be manufactured domesticly at lower cost if there was electricity.

Blue3k:



Microchips are a narrow field. There's only a few companies and countries that actually do it. I've been to Texas instruments manufacturering facility. It's space age and expensive to do microchips.

The first thing is the environment can't have any dirt or dust. The cost to build are in billions. The chips are pretty easy to mess up.

Lastly you bearly see them made in South Anerica or Oceania, or Middle East. I found a visual map.

http://www.thechipsource.com/microchip-technologies-where-they-are-made.html

http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/hs92/8541/



I know I mentioned that already. I qouted my original post. Other than that a few technician and engineers to get ball rolling. Most of these devices aren't that hard to make. They just have high upstart cost.

EternalTruths:



Is not that expensive as you think

The problem is that our people lack the technological know how due to the absence of technological education.


I know it might be difficult for you to understand the importance of technological education but if you do a deeper research about it, you will realize why the world is full of poor people.

Without Technological education, industrialization will never sprut up no matter the infrastructure, capital , etc


What you don't know you can't produce

What you can't produce you can't sell

When you don't sell you can't make money

When you can't make money, poverty becomes a friend

Blue3k:



I can literally count the number of people that know how the semiconductor are made. It's no more then 10 unless ur in engineering class. The specializing makes it so it hardly matters. I know you want every single person to embark on skill but it's not necessary for full scale industry.

There are already engineers and technicians. A sizable minority that school abroad as I've seen. The lack of economic freedom and infastrure makes it difficult.

The focus could start with education system. Technical skills, apprentice programs lastly students should graduate with licenses for various fields of interest. If they desire college route they should have dual credit secondary school courses that give opertuinity to have college credits. These are options people in highschool get in Texas.

Blue3k:

There are already engineers and technicians. A sizable minority that school abroad as I've seen. The lack of economic freedom and infastrure makes it difficult.

Blue3k:


Lol I said same thing. The title was to get your attention. My main point was our main focus should be on industrilization.

Agriculture does lead to industrilization. We already have strong enough base that our population can be feed relatively well. That's why giant cities like Lagos can exist. The industry is next step.

EternalTruths:


You are very funny

It seems you don't know that we have iron works going on all around the country but lack the technological knowledge to build steel products (eg engines) out of it

You think Ajaokuta is the only place Iron is mined in Nigeria

What of scrap metal steels and recycling.?

My friend, money is not the problem but lack of technological education

Even you, if you are given 100million naira, tell me what technological product can you produce in your Workshop

In short lets start with you

What technological product can you produce without foreign input .?


Cromagnon I am still waiting for your answer to my question above

EternalTruths:


Nigerian engineers and technicians are not equipped with technological knowledge.


I am talking out of experience.

EternalTruths:


Electricity is not the key but technological education

Many African countries have stable electricity but are not industrialized eg Ghana Libya(Gaddafi Libya) Kenya Ivory Coast etc

The question you should ask yourself is, why are they not industrialized despite having constant electricity.?

Do you get the logic

EternalTruths:


Modern sophisticated products especially electrical, electronics, mechanical and chemical products we mostly import.

Which of them can you produce if given 100million naira to open a small factory.?
100 million naira is less than 250k dollars
The money is too small to do what you're asking.
Why I said entrepreneurship is all important.
It doesn't matter how technological minded you are, it is more important to know how to finance and market said products.
Tech ppl have 1 track mind,1 + 1
Business ppl are broader 2+2 minded
I am waiting for you
but worst case scenario
You do like Chinese
Buy parts
Assemble (many radionic will scatter and arrange any electroni

Chemicals is easy
Soap can be done with 2k naira and you scale up
With 100 m laaaa I don hammer be dat
Pliers, hammers, screwdrivers can be manufactured with that kind of money and as you make more profit you move up or down the value chain as appropriate
As for engine block and computer, non is produced in Nigeria
no but they can be once Steel and aluminium industry on point
Innoson imports his engine but build his body parts in Nigeria
so what do you think Toyota does and where do you think the bulk of money is made
Zinox couple his computers in Nigeria.
so, what's your point, is it not production
No where in Nigeria are microchips produced.
you buy the machine
Go for training and make '' photocopies ''
Japanese did it
Koreans did it
Chinese are doingit
Not rocket science anymore

As for you answer the simple question above highlighted red

manny4life:


Technological education is important but this isn't really the key. Every country is good or better than the other in something, we must learn to walk before we run. Technology isn't the key driver to Nigeria's prosperity, we have to improve infrastructures first. If China worried more about building planes and warships first instead of increasing their base manufacturing and strengthening their infrastructural asset, they would not be where they are today. If they neglected capital and towed the path of "spend-as-you-earn", they would not be so financially prosperous to embark on large-scale financial projects like the three-gorges dam that gulped almost $28billion.

Despite the number of foreign engineers that have visited Nigeria to turnaround the refineries or even the electrical distribution network, despite the number of technocrats we have in govt, most of them are foreign trained, why is it that many haven't been able to turn things around? Very simple, the infrastructures are dilapidated or nonexistent anymore. You cannot talk about an advanced economy and thus neglecting infrastructures and CAPITAL while relying primarily on technology and then think you would survive... This is why the U.S. is in it's current state, old infrastructures and no money, it was only a matter of time before companies started sourcing cheaper tech outside the U.S.

Advanced technology is good but it can never be a sole driver to prosperity in any economy...Advanced technology cost MONEY, it's not cheap. It gulped Chinese Aerospace tens of billions of $$$$ just to build their first airplane. Like the gentleman talked about Texas Instrument, erecting a building of such magnitude and specification cost billions of $$$$ and only a few people know how the tech works exactly. Nigeria doesn't have this type of money. Even in pharmaceutical, it's cost about a billion $$$ for R& for a new type of national drug, so right now, borrowed technology would do until we have the infrastructures and the CAPITAL in place to move onto advanced tech.

EternalTruths:



Is not that expensive as you think

The problem is that our people lack the technological know how due to the absence of technological education.


I know it might be difficult for you to understand the importance of technological education but if you do a deeper research about it, you will realize why the world is full of poor countries and rich countries

Without Technological education, industrialization will never sprut up no matter the infrastructure, capital , determination etc


What you don't know (you pay consultant, teacher, trainer for)technical skill can be taught
,bought, stolen

But to know and be willing to do the above listed is what entrepreneurship and good management is all about.
You don't need any bricklayer or carpentry or electrician knowledge to build a house.
You simply hire the workers
Without wise dispensation(management, administration,entrepreneural spirit) of capital nothing for you you can't produce

What you can't produce you can't sell

When you don't sell you can't make money

When you can't make money, poverty becomes a friend


This is what Ojukwu saw that made him to establish a College of Science and Technology in PortHarcourt unfortunately for him,

Those who drafted the curriculum missed it and the war buried it.

Cromagnon:
if he had started a refinery nobody will tell job applicants to acquire proper curriculum

juman:
OP

The first thing to note is that there is no steady electricity supply in the country.

There is no hope it would be improved in near future because apc government lack the sense and brain to do that.

Without light how come to do industrialization.

EternalTruths:



Do you know that the white people told the Africans that it will take them 500years to know how to refine crude oil

It was the Biafrans a man from present day Anambra who studied oversea that taught Biafrans how to locally refine crude oil which surprised the Europeans.


Technological education is the key

EternalTruths:
Cromagnon hope you now agree with me from your statement



Thanks for understanding

Pls spread the message

To photocopy a technology you must be trained and technological education can provide that training

EternalTruths:
No where in Nigeria are microchips produced.

" you buy the machine
Go for training and make '' photocopies ''
Japanese did it
Koreans did it
Chinese are doingit
Not rocket science anymore.". Cromagnon


Read your second line

" Go for training and make photocopies "

Can you see now that you have agreed with me that we lack technological education necessary to make photocopies


Thank you for accepting that we need training to make photocopies which Technological education can help us to do

Cromagnon:
it's part of it but it's not key. That's called psychological warfare.
Clearly it's working cos you're so fixed on gaining tech education while forgetting that it's good management that makes wealth possible
Without capital to buy input tech Ed is useless.
How many of our chemical engineers make soap even though they were taught.
No entrepreneurial spirit

EternalTruths:



It seems you are not a graduate of Science Engineering or Technology

Because if you are, you will know that most Chemical Engineering departments in Nigeria don't teach their students how to produce Chemical technological products

Is of recent, they introduced Chemical Technology as a course in one semester instead of all semesters and to make matter worst, the students are not taught at least 10 technologies in that semester.

My dear

If Technological education is taught every term/semester at the rate of 10 per term/semester, a child taught that from primary school to university would have being exposed to at least 250 technologies

A graduate that has being taught 250 technologies will definitely find interest in establishing a factory of his or her desire because he or she knows

1) how that technology works

2) how that technology is produced

With these 2 knowledge in his or her possession

The next set of things he or she now needs are

1) Capital (YouWin can now fully achieve its success )

2) Infrastructure(electricity and transportation networks)

3) Market(customers/consumers)

4) Government suppression of foreign products in order to support indigenous products


All these once his or her product is of international standard


Juman

Manny4life

Sibrah

Blue3k

Ejanla07

Omohayek

Wirinet

Sibrah:
People think engineering at degree level exposes you to real life application of engineering. Like I said earlier, what we have in Nigeria is Degree awarding schools. Only few private schools are trying to go practical.

GreatNegro:
I am really proud of all of you, for your time to think of how we can solve our economic problem.
What I have noticed among many people is that they are not ready to establish industry of their own, they would rather work and accept anything being paid.
Some people are not even ready to learn the few technologies we have here. My school is organising a 3 month training on vocational and technical training and only few students applied for it. I think the main problem is lack of orietation.

Blue3k:
Most nairalanders seem to have nostalgic view of the past before oil was discovered in Nigeria saying it was better economicly. I don't know if that's true since the oil helped Nigeria grow many fold. From what I can tell Nigeria was a mono economy then as well except the theme was agriculture.

Anyway agriculture isn't the way foward because it's not a big deal from imports stand point. It's very minor I terms of cost per year and percentage of total imports. Agricultural is also very minor in terms of our exporting potential aswell. Since we bearly take care of our domestic needs.

Industrialization is the answer people in Nigeria should be looking towards. The biggest drain on forex is actually machinery, chemical products, mineral products. All these things cold be manufactured domesticly at lower cost if there was electricity. These are better to focus on long term because our neighbors within west africa import these same thing primarily.

If we focus on this we could strengthen our foothold on manufacuting we would enjoy billions in savings and billions in exports to fellow Ecowas members. Please note strengthening agricultural base would be beneficial to economic diversification.

Sources:

http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/report/472
http://www.worldstopexports.com/nigerias-top-10-imports/

Dedetwo:


This stream of thought is one of the reasons Nigeria remains a backwater. How would you feed your industrialized machines? And how would you thinker the nuances of industrialization on empty stomach? You sounded like some of the empty-headed politicians from Nigeria.

Blue3k:
Most nairalanders seem to have nostalgic view of the past before oil was discovered in Nigeria saying it was better economicly. I don't know if that's true since the oil helped Nigeria grow many fold. From what I can tell Nigeria was a mono economy then as well except the theme was agriculture.

Anyway agriculture isn't the way foward because it's not a big deal from imports stand point. It's very minor I terms of cost per year and percentage of total imports. Agricultural is also very minor in terms of our exporting potential aswell. Since we bearly take care of our domestic needs.

Industrialization is the answer people in Nigeria should be looking towards. The biggest drain on forex is actually machinery, chemical products, mineral products. All these things cold be manufactured domesticly at lower cost if there was electricity. These are better to focus on long term because our neighbors within west africa import these same thing primarily.

If we focus on this we could strengthen our foothold on manufacuting we would enjoy billions in savings and billions in exports to fellow Ecowas members. Please note strengthening agricultural base would be beneficial to economic diversification.

Sources:

http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/report/472
http://www.worldstopexports.com/nigerias-top-10-imports/

Maisuya1:
either way you look at it agriculture is the way forward. Establish your self as selfsuficient food producer and integrate the whole value chain (production, processing etc) and you have a guaranteed export market for eons to come. Any other industrialization trajectory we follow beside agriculture is subject to structural and cyclical shocks in the global economy. Its kind of twisted, but agriculture is a beautiful thing

davidif:


Finally! Someone gets it. Nigerians love shouting about Agriculture as if its the be all and and all to Nigeria's problems when Agriculture can only take you so far.

Industrialization is the future.