Pastor Kumuyi,
The only man that has provoked a limb growing miracle.

Go and ask in Zambia.

I came late, men!

An2elect2:
How insincere can you be?

You know not the mysteries of our God because you have not the Spirit of truth in you! And when you are shown, you blaspheme against it.

May God have mercy on you.

Seeing that you prefer to glory in men than in Christ. I leave you for God to judge

Kumuyi's son is here.

Take heed,
Lest I tear your 'almost right' Christianity to pieces.

flamingREED:
Pastor Kumuyi,
The only man that has provoked a limb growing miracle.

Go and ask in Zambia.

To God be the glory for that wonderful testimony! But don't say he is the only man to have done that through the power of God. You have certainly not followed the ministries of other men of God through the ages and even in our contemporary time. There may be others. God bless you.

Sinkills:
To God be the glory for that wonderful testimony! But don't say he is the only man to have done that through the power of God. You have certainly not followed the ministries of other men of God through the ages and even in our contemporary time. There may be others. God bless you.

To make an amputated finger whole by faith
In today's world? Well. Thanks anyway.

flamingREED:


To make an amputated finger whole by faith
In today's world? Well. Thanks anyway.

If God can do that through pastor Kumuyi, He can equally do that through you, I and every other saint once we keep to His terms and exercise undeniable faith in Him (John 14:12). Thank you.

collinsfhk:




Jn. 7:38. Bible is our standard. Let's break free frm d confines of churchism. Job 32:8

Please, there is nothing like predestination. "For God so loves the world, that He sent His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). "He(or she) that believes and is baptized shall be saved but he (or she) that believes not shall be damned (Mark 16:16). The ball is in each person's court. BTW This thread is not for the propagation of the false doctrine of predestination or any other falsehood. It is about the ministry of the man of God of our time, a rare gift to our generation - pastor W F Kumuyi. You can create another thread for that. Thank you.

An2elect2:
Amen dear. You do believe in the biblical predestination too?

The Bible does not teach predestination. God has not chosen some people for eternal life and others for eternal damnation. He is a just, fair and impartial God. Yes, He knows the end from the beginning. That does not suggest predestination. NEVER! As a school teacher, though you may guess accurately those who will do well and those who may not (from their intelligence quotient and level of seriousness), as a Christian, you don't determine those who will pass and those who will fail otherwise you are a SINNER! It is the performance of the individual students that determine that. God is more righteous than any Christian teacher (or moralist). Stop misrepresenting Him. Please note: This thread is not for the teaching of predestination or any other falsehood. It is to appreciate God for His investment and wonderful works through His servant - pastor W F Kumuyi. Please create another thread for your falsehood. Thanks.

Sinkills:
Please, there is nothing like predestination. "For God so loves the world, that He sent His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). "He(or she) that believes and is baptized shall be saved but he (or she) that believes not shall be damned (Mark 16:16). The ball is in each person's court. BTW This thread is not for the propagation of the false doctrine of predestination or any other falsehood. It is about the ministry of the man of God of our time, a rare gift to our generation - pastor W F Kumuyi. You can create another thread for that. Thank you.

With due respect to your closing note, i submit thus - The question is "is it scriptural"? If it is, you have no right to call it false doctrine but seek to understand what it really implies. Ref: 1Cor. 12:3, Rom. 8:29-30, Jer. 1:4-5, Rom. 6, Jn. 10:26-29.

Thanks and stay blessed

Sinkills:
The Bible does not teach predestination. God has not chosen some people for eternal life and others for eternal damnation. He is a just, fair and impartial God. Yes, He knows the end from the beginning. That does not suggest predestination. NEVER! As a school teacher, though you may guess accurately those who will do well and those who may not (from their intelligence quotient and level of seriousness), as a Christian, you don't determine those who will pass and those who will fail otherwise you are a SINNER! It is the performance of the individual students that determine that. God is more righteous than any Christian teacher (or moralist). Stop misrepresenting Him. Please note: This thread is not for the teaching of predestination or any other falsehood. It is to appreciate God for His investment and wonderful works through His servant - pastor W F Kumuyi. Please create another thread for your falsehood. Thanks.

A shake my head at your delusion. Romans 4 comes to mind, please study it .... Kindly put on a liberal spirit. Thank you

collinsfhk:




With due respect to your closing note, i submit thus - The question is "is it scriptural"? If it is, you have no right to call it false doctrine but seek to understand what it really implies. Ref: 1Cor. 12:3, Rom. 8:29-30, Jer. 1:4-5, Rom. 6, Jn. 10:26-29.

Thanks and stay blessed

The answer to your question is that predestination is not scriptural. The texts you quoted do not imply predestination. They are just proofs that God is all-knowing including knowing the end from the beginning. Predestination suggests that God is partial, deliberately shuts the door of salvation to those He 'hates', yet judges and punishes them for what they do not have control over. This is simply BLASPHEMY! As for John 10:28,29, it is true that nobody can pluck the redeemed out God's Hands but God Himself can "cast them forth as a branch so that they wither and are gathered to be burnt in the fire" if they do not continue abiding in the Vine. (John 15:5,6). So both predestination and unconditional eternal security are twisted and false doctrines that damn the soul. May God give you understanding so that you don't base your faith on sinking sand I J N, Amen.

Sinkills:
The answer to your question is that predestination is not scriptural. The texts you quoted do not imply predestination. They are just proofs that God is all-knowing including knowing the end from the beginning. Predestination suggests that God is partial, deliberately shuts the door of salvation to those He 'hates', yet judges and punishes them for what they do not have control over. This is simply BLASPHEMY! As for John 10:28,29, it is true that nobody can pluck the redeemed out God's Hands but God Himself can "cast them forth as a branch so that they wither and are gathered to be burnt in the fire" if they do not continue abiding in the Vine. (John 15:5,6). So both predestination and unconditional eternal security are twisted and false doctrines that damn the soul. May God give you understanding so that you don't base your faith on sinking sand I J N, Amen.

Judas was predestined by your god.

Pharaoh was predestined by your god.

Jacob and esau were predestined by your god

It's a pity that you speak of a god idea, you certainly don't understand.

Predestination

Predestination in its broadest conception is the doctrine that because God is all-powerful, all-knowing , and completely sovereign, he "from all eternity did by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass," ( Westminster Confession).

"In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will" (Ephesians 1:11).

collinsfhk:



A shake my head at your delusion. Romans 4 comes to mind, please study it .... Kindly put on a liberal spirit. Thank you

If my stand that there is neither predestination nor his twin false brother of eternal security is delusion, I thank God that I am deluded not to hang my eternal destiny on falsehood. Thanks.

akintom:


Judas was predestined by your god.

Pharaoh was predestined by your god.

Jacob and esau were predestined by your god

It's a pity that you speak of a god idea, you certainly don't understand.

I can see that you are an atteist. I don't know the god you ate referring to, maybe you are talking about the god of these proponents of predestination. Well, if you want to know. Pharaoh and Judas had made up their minds which God knew. Concerning Esau and Jacob, God had known their future before they were born just as He knows yours and mine. Thank you.

akintom:


Judas was predestined by your god.

Pharaoh was predestined by your god.

Jacob and esau were predestined by your god

It's a pity that you speak of a god idea, you certainly don't understand.

Can you see what happens when we misrepresent God? Haters of God take advantage of that to blaspheme. (Romans 2:24).

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Sinkills:
Sometimes, I do wonder if pastor William Folorunso Kumuyi is an ordinary human being like you and myself or specially formed. Do you know why I am awed? Over the decades since this man of God started his God-given ministry after getting born again, there have never been any scandal associated with him inspite of the fact that Satan and his cohorts have attempted severally to bring him down. Despite that he focuses on holiness which is quite unpopular in this sin-sick world, yet the church he superintendents keeps growing by leaps and bounds. At his age of over 75, he keeps going from place to place, region to region, state to state and occasionally outside Nigeria on his evangelical tour, he seems never to get sick for a day. He knows so much of the Bible by the grace of God and teaches it so clearly that you will think he was there when the holy book was written. Most of the places pastor Kumuyi ministers, instant miracles take place -the blind see, the lame and crippled walk, the dumb speak, the mad and mentally derailed regain their sanity, incurable diseases become cured etc, yet this man remains humble and dwells more on how to prepare people for heaven and eternity with God. He does not emphasize on prosperity, yet most of his members continue to prosper financially and materially. A lot of people hate him and the members of Deeper Life Bible Church with passion and find faults with them (because they tend to believe they know God better than others), yet anywhere he goes, mammoth crowd come out to see and hear him. Most of his former sworn critics have ended up joining the ministry God put him in charge of. No doubt, pastor W F Kumuyi is a rare gift to our generation. To God be the glory! Once again I am tempted to ask, is pastor Kumuyi an ordinary human being? And if he is, what are likely his secrets?

I personally like the man but his members seem to be the most hypocritical and judgemental people i have ever come across.

I hope he is able to change that about his flock

Sinkills:
I can see that you are an atteist. I don't know the god you ate referring to, maybe you are talking about the god of these proponents of predestination. Well, if you want to know. Pharaoh and Judas had made up their minds which God knew. Concerning Esau and Jacob, God had known their future before they were born just as He knows yours and mine. Thank you.

Let's look at this subject of predestination and God dispassionately now.

Using judas as a case study:

*god knew and participated in all the events that involved judas's role (remember that god planned Jesus coming and all that will happen to Jesus).

*god knew that someone will be born, named judas's and will betray Jesus. Even before judas was born.

*and god planned that Jesus be betrayed

*god created judas to fulfill that plan

*god condemned judas for fulfilling his plans. When judas couldn't have done the contrary.

According to the claims of you folks, god has power to make and unmake an event happen.

How do you explain all these?

Sinkills:
Can you see what happens when we misrepresent God? Haters of God take advantage of that to blaspheme. (Romans 2:24).

What's the meaning of blasphemy?

I love Pastor Kumuyi, he's one of my mentors. However, I ponder more on the sinless One. He was perfect to the point that he became the righteousness of God in us; My Master JESUS CHRIST.

akintom:



Let's look at this subject of predestination and God dispassionately now.

Using judas as a case study:

*god knew and participated in all the events that involved judas's role (remember that god planned Jesus coming and all that will happen to Jesus).

*god knew that someone will be born, named judas's and will betray Jesus. Even before judas was born.

*and god planned that Jesus be betrayed

*god created judas to fulfill that plan

*god condemned judas for fulfilling his plans. When judas couldn't have done the contrary.

According to the claims of you folks, god has power to make and unmake an event happen.

How do you explain all these?

You are wrong on one of your premises: God did not create Judas to fulfil the purpose of betraying Jesus - Judas allowed himself to be used by Satan as a result of greed. Even at that, if Judas had repented, as Peter did, he would have been forgiven.

Justmeal:
I love Pastor Kumuyi, he's one of my mentors. However, I ponder more on the sinless One. He was perfect to the point that he became the righteousness of God in us; My Master JESUS CHRIST.

You are quite right. We should look unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our Faith (Hebrews 12:2).

parisbookaddict:


I personally like the man but his members seem to be the most hypocritical and judgemental people i have ever come across.

I hope he is able to change that about his flock

In every twelve, there may be a Judas. The problem with prejudice is labelling and generalization. I heard a lot of 'ugly" information about them but that did not stop me from being a member - I was attracted by the integrity of pastor Kumuyi and his wonderful bible-based teachings. When I finally joined, I realised the members were not as painted (though a few do not really follow the teachings and example of this man of God).

Sinkills:
You are wrong on one of your premises: God did not create Judas to fulfil the purpose of betraying Jesus - Judas allowed himself to be used by Satan as a result of greed. Even at that, if Judas had repented, as Peter did, he would have been forgiven.

Do you agree with this.....?


Predestination

Predestination in its broadest conception is the doctrine that because God is all-powerful, all-knowing , and completely sovereign, he "from all eternity did by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass," ( Westminster Confession).


"In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will" (Ephesians 1:11).

akintom:

Do you agree with this.....?


Predestination

Predestination in its broadest conception is the doctrine that because God is all-powerful, all-knowing , and completely sovereign, he "from all eternity did by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass," ( Westminster Confession).


"In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will" (Ephesians 1:11).

God is all-knowing and all-powerful. There is no doubt about that. He is also sovereign - it is what He allows that happens. Where you quoted in Ephesians 1:11 simply means that God had a fore-knowledge of the fact that those who are saved will be saved at such time and in such circumstance. So He prepares ahead of time before they are saved for what they are going to do for Him and humanity (Jeremiah 1:5). Permit me to explain it vaguely this way: In schools, prefects are usually appointed at the beginning of the academic session based on the qualities we see in them. We didn't put those qualities in them neither do we live their lives for them but we foresee that based on those sterling qualities, they will likely represent the school well. Ours is based on perception but God's foreknowledge is accurate. Please let us not use God's sovereignty to explain away human responsibility. They are two sides of the same coin. God allows us to exercise our freedom of choice to obey Him or not and the consequence is ours. May you and I always choose to obey God in Jesus' name, Amen. I hope you understand.

Sinkills:

God is all-knowing and all-powerful. There is no doubt about that. He is also sovereign - it is what He allows that happens.

The question you failed or refused to ask yourself is this - if god is sovereign (it's what he allows that happen)?

* why did god allow judas to betray Jesus, since such act will offend it?

*why did god allow the situation that warranted betrayal of Jesus?

*why did god allow judas to hang himself, and not do a forceful salvation for him like Paul?

It's obvious that, god idea is the most nonsensical variant of all human ideas.

Sinkills:

Where you quoted in Ephesians 1:11 simply means that God had a fore-knowledge of the fact that those who are saved will be saved at such time and in such circumstance. So He prepares ahead of time before they are saved for what they are going to do for Him and humanity (Jeremiah 1:5).

Since your god knew ahead, those that will accept its nonsense, why didn't it prevent the birth of those that will reject its nonsense?

Because it's a monster, it needs them as roasted barbecue in hell, perhaps.

Sinkills:

Ours is based on perception but God's foreknowledge is accurate. Please let us not use God's sovereignty to explain away human responsibility. They are two sides of the same coin. God allows us to exercise our freedom of choice to obey Him or not and the consequence is ours. May you and I always choose to obey God in Jesus' name, Amen. I hope you understand.

Its sovereignty has effectively been nullified by human free will (personal responsibility).

There's no way to understand nonsense, than to see it as nonsense, and just wonder at folks that romances idiocy.

akintom:


The question you failed or refused to ask yourself is this - if god is sovereign (it's what he allows that happen)?

* why did god allow judas to betray Jesus, since such act will offend it?

*why did god allow the situation that warranted betrayal of Jesus?

*why did god allow judas to hang himself, and not do a forceful salvation for him like Paul?

It's obvious that, god idea is the most nonsensical variant of all human ideas.



Since your god knew ahead, those that will accept its nonsense, why didn't it prevent the birth of those that will reject its nonsense?

Because it's a monster, it needs them as roasted barbecue in hell, perhaps.



Its sovereignty has effectively been nullified by human free will (personal responsibility).

There's no way to understand nonsense, than to see it as nonsense, and just wonder at folks that romances idiocy.

I decided to answer your questions thinking you really wanted to understand. Now I know better. Bye.

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parisbookaddict:


I personally like the man but his members seem to be the most hypocritical and judgemental people i have ever come across.

I hope he is able to change that about his flock

how are u dear?

Blackfire:



how are u dear?

i am alright mr black

and u
been a while

parisbookaddict:

i am alright mr black
and u been a while

yes quite a while... merry Christmas and prosperous New year.

Sinkills:
What pastor Kumuyi used to say and still tells Christians who really desire eternal life and to see God at the end of this brief life is that we should be careful of the evils (pornography, immorality, materialism and violence) that pervades technology be it television, mobile phones, computer and the internet. I have never heard him say that we should not use them at all.
He has not changed on this stance and by the grace of God, he will not.

, I have heard him say it, I have seen his church new convert set their television on fire. am not trying to speak against him, he is a great man of God and a man of principle but I don't agree with some of his doctrine