For those people who are not aware- Africans haven't contributed anything significant to the science or business- and you guys could call me names from morning to night it wouldn't change things.

Try and criticize yourselfs, and identify where to improve. No one cares who enslaved who first or what the missionaries did 80 years ago,. We are talking about the now, the present- leave the past where it is supposed to be, a relic of memory

SEFAGO:

U need to have something they want mate.

SEFAGO:

Thats why it is called trade  .

SEFAGO:

All africa has is natural resources without much skill power to develop it. Crude oil would be what it is without manufacturing and refining it- crude. They have trade agreements with other countries who have what they want- countries who trade not just unmanufactured products, but manufactured products, skill power and such.

SEFAGO:

I am actually glad, you brought up my post- i used the word significant, not some small pea billionaires, or just one or two scientists.

Why is Africa beggining to get richer?

Why did Europeans and American prevent Awolowo, Lumumba, Nkurumah and Toure from ruling?

Tell me why dose Africa not have a fair trade agreement with Europe or the USA? If they did can't you see that Africa would be lifted out of poverty?

U need to have something they want mate. Thats why it is called trade  Huh. All africa has is natural resources without much skill power to develop it. Crude oil would be what it is without manufacturing and refining it- crude. They have trade agreements with other countries who have what they want- countries who trade not just unmanufactured products, but manufactured products, skill power and such.

SEFAGO:

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The trans-atlantic slave trade was an european-african collaboration. And yes it was a reeemix. However I would concede that the chattel slavery was in no way similar to sub-saharan slavery and that the behavior of the europeans was just purely abominable. I think it would hurt more knowing that you were sold by your own blood into slavery, and that this people refused to stop the slavery even when europeans enacted laws to abolish it.

Its interesting how you call them "small pea billionaires", how much money have you made?

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Bayo is one of the most influential business people in the world, hes investment fund goes round the world buying INFRASTRUCTURE After buying Gatwick hes fund still had $2.6 billion left!

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slavery became profound in Africa simply because the leaders were corrupt in the first place, they were so eager to sell change neighbors for mirrors, wine etcetera 

SEFAGO:

, thats a first. Maybe its because we are beginning to adjust to the economic system. Please tell me what african countries are growing richer? And tell me what aspect of their industry is growing richer? And most importantly tell me if their groth is based on internal factors (industry within the country) or external factors (exports of raw materials to fuel real growth in emerging economies like China or India) 

SEFAGO:

Nkrumah ruled mate, he his government was actually very good, but like most recent post-colonial governments, it declined in transparency, infact Nkrumahs term was marked by significant corruption. This has been historically documented. You could read Ayi Kwei Armah's "Beautyful ones are not yet born" and he portrayed Nkrumah's government as very corrupt. Furthermore Nkrumah was a brilliant leader, but he was also wanted to industrialize Ghana as quickly as possible, and so he incurred massive debt as a result, which affected the ghanian economy. His government was marked by bad governance and unplanned spending which later led to a coup- but i would admit he was a brilliant leader.

Awolowo- was also a good leader- i wouldn't expantiate because most nigerians know about him.

I dont really know much about the others. i know lumumba was a congolese and such.

SEFAGO:

Are u dumb?

anonimi:

* why is it so difficult for us, africans, to face up to the hash realities of our collective failure in spite of a very few individual success stories

Secondly, they are only interested in TRADE not medling with government. Hence they could'nt careless if Africa developed or not but on the otherhand Europeans and the Americans have paid billions to make sure that Africa is ruled by complete Dummies. Have you listened to Felas ITT? You see Felka tried to simplify complex situations so the common man that is suffering in Africa could see what was going on - he was about breaking the chains of Mental slavery.

Well you need to read more not just do a quick, 5 minute look at articles on Wikipedia otherwise you will struggle to fathom the issues I discuss

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Thiam, 46, who is currently the company’s finance director, was educated in Paris and has previously worked for McKinsey & Company and Aviva. He also turned his talents towards politics for a period in the 1990s, when he returned to his native Ivory Coast to serve as minister for development.

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a non exec of the health IT consultancy St Vincents

A member of the Audit Commission and has advised governments of all parties on Employment, Housing, Poverty and Public Service Reform.

In 2009 he was listed as one of the 25 most influential people in housing policy over the ast 25 year by the housing professionals magazine Inside Housing

anonimi:

* why must we deflect our collective failures to others- leaders, whites, slavery, pastors/missionaries BUT never to ourselves

anonimi:

* why must we constantly refer to our "old" glories- civilisation started in egypt, bini kingdom, etc
* why must we fail to recognise teh advances made by others in similar situation like ourselves-india has caste system & AIDS etc

anonimi:


was slavery, already practised by m'uslims/arabs before christians/whites joined in and which arabs continue till today, NOT also stopped by whites/christians to the annoyance of the black slave raiders/traders 
* how many of those who keep taking solace in the old glories will accept his child coming home with a report card showing last in class only for the child to say "but I was first ten year ago" 

anonimi:

* when will we be outraged enough to do something about our collective stigma of never-do-well 

transformR:

NL is full of failure stories

Sceondly, why do you look down on what your people have achieved? I have waaaaay more examples:

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Robert O. Agbede is the President and CEO of Chester Engineers, a leading national water and waste water engineering and scientific research firm. Mr. Agbede, after 15 years as the founder, President and CEO of Advanced Technology Systems, Inc. (ATS Group), became the leader of the largest African-American owned municipal engineering services firm in the United States.

[SCIENCE and BUSINESS]
Mr. Phuthuma Freedom Nhleko is the President at MTN Group Ltd. Phuthuma Nhleko has come a long way from his first job, a little over two decades ago, as a civil engineer trainee for the Ohio Department of Transportation, in the US. Mr. Nhleko served as the Group Chief Executive Officer at MTN Group Ltd. from July 1, 2002 to November 2004. Previously he served as a Senior Executive of the Standard Corporate and Merchant Bank corporate finance team from 1991 to 1994. Mr. Nhleko was previously the Executive Chairman and one of the founding members of Worldwide African Investment Holdings (Pty) Limited (WAIH).

[SCIENCE and BUSINESS]
Patrice Tlhopane Motsepe is Executive Chairman of African Rainbow Minerals Limited, ARM, a leading, niche-diversified mining and minerals company, based in Johannesburg, South Africa. He is also the non-executive Chairman of Harmony and the Deputy Chairman of Sanlam.

[BUSINESS]
In March 2009 The first black chief executive of a FTSE-100 company was appointed yesterday. Tidjane Thiam, a French national who was born in the Ivory Coast, is to take over at insurance firm Prudential in October, replacing Mark Tucker. He will be oversee $80 Billion in investments yes $80Billion!!!!!!!!!!

Thiam, 46, who is currently the company’s finance director, was educated in Paris and has previously worked for McKinsey & Company and Aviva. He also turned his talents towards politics for a period in the 1990s, when he returned to his native Ivory Coast to serve as minister for development.

[BUSINESS]
Victor Olufemi Adebowale, Baron Adebowale, CBE (born 21 July 1962) is the Chief Executive of the social care enterprise Turning Point and was one of the first to become a People's Peer.
He is a Director of Leadership in Mind organisational development consultancy

a non exec of the health IT consultancy St Vincents

A member of the Audit Commission and has advised governments of all parties on Employment, Housing, Poverty and Public Service Reform.

In 2009 he was listed as one of the 25 most influential people in housing policy over the ast 25 year by the housing professionals magazine Inside Housing

can't you see that me and many other positive people are saying love yourself and be progressive?

Transformer or whatever your name is. U sure have a good knowledge of the black achievers of our time.

SEFAGO:

These are all small fry. Do u want me to copare you to singapore or hong kong- this countries have far more achievers. though the ratio between eache country and africa's population is in the 1000s

Demain_man:

My man we are together on this one. Let them continue to wallow in slavery self pity instead of advising their fathers/uncles/brothers and even themselves to situp and lead well or move out and allow someone else to rule well.

Go to Aba today it has become den of kidnappers instead of once thriving industrialized town. Na slavery cause am or na wicked rulers?

Demain_man:

By saying the europeans/americans is spending billions to continue to keep us down as one commentator suggested is to admit that we are fools!!!

Why e be say na only our leaders dey fall for that well known fact still!

proproman:

Specifically@ anonimi, I don't know what to say to you, really. Have you never heard that the future is the child of the past and the present? We should ignore our past in forging ahead. What are you saying? If your child comes home with a bad result and reminds you that he had a good result the previous year, what will bother you? Is it just the fact that the child failed or that the child once passed but now fails? I will be bothered about the latter because if the child always comes home with a bad result, you can surmise that the child is not brilliant but when the child was once brilliant but now fails then you have to find out the cause because that will be the key to making the child pass again. Africa has not always been backward and under developed. Our problems as we know it started from the slave trade. Reviewing the events between the slave to present day and our present conditions will tell us how to make our future brighter than our today. [size=13pt]The past is the key, the present is the door. Both are needed to unlock the future. Ignore your past and you forfeit your future. Realize that.[/size]

transformR:

[size=14pt]This is an example of mental slavery folks[/size] [size=14pt]YUK![/size]

Demain_man:

What is mental slavery about that point. You just refused to see the truth!

After recognizing the past and the present yet we refused to step into the future!

THINK!!

Demain_man:

My man we are together on this one. Let them continue to wallow in slavery self pity instead of advising their fathers/uncles/brothers and even themselves to situp and lead well or move out and allow someone else to rule well.

Go to Aba today it has become den of kidnappers instead of once thriving industrialized town. Na slavery cause am or na wicked rulers?

Demain_man:

By saying the europeans/americans is spending billions to continue to keep us down as one commentator suggested is to admit that we are fools!!!

Why e be say na only our leaders dey fall for that well known fact still!

Demain_man:

TransfomR no need to waste my time with eggheads like u.

Demain_man:

Continue blaming oyibo for all your woes.

Demain_man:

Naija leaders will use that exact line of argument to explain their non-performance.

Demain_man:

If I ask u now you go say u be Christian!

Bible+Oyibo = Slavery.

transformR:

Definitions of  egghead on the Web:

   * an intellectual; a very studious and academic person; "in spite of her love of reading she denied being an egghead"

That is why i call u egghead. U see I no get time for too much grammar and research about great black achievers like u but all i know is not to continually blame the white people for my woes.

I sure say na english dem take teach u for school and na england u dey live now dey enjoy all their amenities even dem give u job sef.

Please stop blaming dem. pass some blame to those una rulers/collaborators.

proproman:

The past is the key, the present is the door. Both are needed to unlock the future. Ignore your past and you forfeit your future. Realize that.