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Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by RedboneSmith(m): 1:47pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Cire80: Bros, people who don't know that chi and chuku filtered into Ika only in the 20th century with the advent of Christianity don't deserve your time as far as the topic of Ika or Anioma history is concerned. Leave them. When they finish talking they can come and take their 'ancestral lands' (as Pazienza calls it.) Shey we will be on our land and watch them take it? 2 Likes |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by Ngozi123(f): 3:10pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
months: I don't know about other areas but I'm pretty sure that there were still some natives settled in Onitsha and its environs before the immigrants arrived. The vast majority of the immigrants were Igbo, with some smatterings of Bini people who left their ancestral land for one reason or another. |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by hammerF: 3:11pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
RedboneSmith: Facts! Anioma are the first migrants to the the Delta and Edo axis. Facts! Benin colonised them in the 15th Century and imposed its political structure. Facts! Igala arrived from the north to anioma much later but earlier than the Olukomi. Fact! Benin and Igbos migrated back and forth from Delta to Edo and even Onitsha. Fact! Benin share a lot of similar words and culture with Igbos and yoruba. Fact! Urhobo and Esan are Edoid culture and migrated from Bini much later. Evidence is their language is Bini. Fact Igbos are the original people to settle in Bini and mix with yorubas and as a result the Bini Language was created. Fact today, intertribal couples end up speaking English at home, back then they had to invent a new language for themselves as we see in Isoko where ijaw is mixed with urhobo. 1 Like |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by hammerF: 3:11pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Ngozi123: Ngo the baby... Kedu! |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by hammerF: 3:15pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Ngozi123: This is wat i have been saying that Bini people are mixed with Anioma and yoruba. That is the only explanation as to how they suddely occupied that position inbetween two major tribes. People that are Bini in origin retained the Benin language. Urhobo migrated south but still retained the Edoid language. Esan migrated North but still retained the Edoid language How come the igbos speak a completely different lanugaue, from the Edoid language and they are suppose to have come from bini? |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by Ngozi123(f): 3:24pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
PabloAfricanus: Your post is very long but informative . I actually agree with you when you say that there were native Igbo peoples in the Benin Kingdom- that's the point that I've been trying to make all along. Btw, keep it up with your excellent posts. |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by hammerF: 3:29pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Ngozi123: Us way don dey explain the samething since page 4, even got ban 4 it, no commendation? we no try? Wat did he say, that i have not said? |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by Ngozi123(f): 3:32pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
hammerF: Adinma. Happy Sunday. Ke nkwanu? hammerF: Because we have always been Igbo. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 1 Like |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by hammerF: 3:33pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Ngozi123: Baby booo! E bia go kita nu... |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by Ngozi123(f): 3:34pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
hammerF: Well done. |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by hammerF: 3:36pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Ngozi123: Ur too much... 1 Like |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by Cire80: 4:08pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
RedboneSmith:Yes, you're very correct. I implore everybody to leave this thread for them. This was supposed to be an Issele Uku thread and by extension, Anioma thread but I've seen many people here asking the Edo people to leave because it's an Igbo thread. Last time I checked, what gave rise to this argument was people that noticed the striking resemblance between the Oba's dressing and that of the Obi and his chiefs. Igbos as usual got jealous and hijacked the thread and named it an Igbo thread. I think it's best for us to leave it for them and wait for them to also take their ancestral land as they always call it in all Igbo forums I've visited. If this people can claim aborigines of Bini, Igala, idoma and even Yoruba, it doesn't surprise me when I hear them claim Anioma their land. Like they always say, they will come to chase away all Bini settlers in Anioma land and reclaim their land. We're waiting for you guys. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by OILSOUP: 7:05pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Cire80: Failure! U have failed yet again! I am from Anioma and can tell u that we are Igbo. If u wantto claim us, knowing fully well we dont speak same language, get ready to face yet another defeat. |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by Abagworo(m): 7:28pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
RedboneSmith: Chi and Ehi are the same language and different dialects meaning guardian spirit not God as recently translated. Ehikwe and Chikwe are as variant as Olisakwe and Osakwe. They are all Igbo language. 4 Likes |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by Abagworo(m): 7:36pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Cire80: Na only for Igbo matter una dey get mouth. Most cultures in lower Niger from Lagos to Rivers State had influence from Benin because of Benin's past civilization hence many similarities can be noticed between Igbo, Yoruba and Edo ethnic groups. However we don't need a soothsayer to notice clearly that Ondo is Yoruba or Anioma is Igbo as the language clearly proves their ethnicity. Igbos cannot cross the Niger recently in large number enough to change people's native language. 5 Likes |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by RedboneSmith(m): 7:55pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Abagworo: I'm replying you because I know you to be more knowledgeable than most Igbo posters here, and because as an Oguta man you are more or less a brother to Anioma folks. Ehi is not Igbo. You know it is Bini. But that is even besides the point. The point here is that the use of chi in Ikaland (whether it is a variant of ehi or not) began only in the 20th century. In fact, 'chi' is very odd as far as Ika language is concerned. That is why instead of 'ichi echichi' an Ika man will say 'iki ekiki', instead 'ochichi' (governance), an Ika man will say 'okiki', instead of 'echi' (tomorrow), an Ika man will say 'eki'. 'Ch' followed by an 'i' is fundamentally un-Ika. 2 Likes |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by OILSOUP: 8:47pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
RedboneSmith: The fundamental point he was trying to make which u seem to miss is that they are all part of the Igbo language. The words in Igbo and Igboid groups together forms part of a speech. Since colonialism and utility of the English language, their have been lack of development of Igbo Language. Speech can be classified into eight different parts. The eight parts of speech are nouns, pronouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, conjunctions, prepositions, and interjections. Understanding the different parts of speech is important in understanding how words can and should be joined together to make sentences that are both grammatically correct and readable. An understanding of the parts of speech is also important for knowing how to correctly punctuate sentences. In other words, Chi and Ehi are both variation of speech within the cluster of words that constitute the igbo language. He demostrated further using Olisakwe and Osakwe. The sound denotes that both words are from the same cluster of igbo language. In otherwords, to access the full vocabulary variation of speech, u need an institution to pull together words from the same linguistic cluster group of igbo and igboid speakers. Wen we develop the igbo language in this direction, even the words spoken by the ikwerre will no longer be elusive becos regardless of how they speak it, they are igbo words, with igbo meaning. Right now the igbo language is in decline and all the variants are not universally decoded for all igbo and igboid speakers to understand their meaning and utility. 1 Like |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by RedboneSmith(m): 8:52pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
OILSOUP: If this was his point, then I don't understand why my comment had to be quoted by him to make the point when all I said was that the terms 'chi' and 'chuku' came to Ika in the last century. |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by OILSOUP: 8:56pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
RedboneSmith: It doesn't matter wen it came, wat matters is the language cluster from which it came and it is the igbo language cluster and that is y it is universally accepted in Anioma. Both Chu and Chi are speech variation from the igbo cluster of words. e.g. Chika and Chuka Does this invalidate the pre-existing language variation in the igboid complimentary cluster of the igbo language, the answer is No. They are all variation of speech and together constitute the igbo language and allows us to make coherent sentences, that are clear and factually correct. Igbo need an institution becos we are getting confused out of ignorance and it is getting so bad that other groups in Nigeria use it against us. |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by gerg: 9:05pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
RedboneSmith:Bro, I thought you guys agreed to leave this thread for them? this argument will never end. And Hundreds of them are still on pending waiting to join. They have the population. But that doesn't make any different to an Ika man. 2 Likes |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by OILSOUP: 9:09pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
gerg: I am Anioma and dont see any difference between myself and Ika, so i dont understand wat u mean. Anioma and Ika are the same word with the same meaning that denotes Igbos across the River Niger. |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by RedboneSmith(m): 9:26pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
gerg: You are right. #Out |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by laudate: 9:40pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
hammerF: This is a huge fallacy! Igbo were the original settlers in Benin?? Chai!! Where is your evidence? Come, has that Oguta girl been giving you something to drink? You are definitely high on something! Cire80: You are right!! You Ika guys have done your best. More respect!! You have done your best to unveil the truth, but when some folks close their minds to the truth and chose to believe in sheer conjecture, whose fault is it?
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Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by PabloAfricanus(m): 9:46pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
gerg:@Redbonesmith @Cire80 That's petty and cowardly. It appears you guys are finally getting a dose of the medicine you been serving out for decades. When you bear names like Nwachukwu, Nduka, Chime, Ikenchuku, Chude etc and turn around and call other people bearing the same names "Igbo" or "Igbon"...and vehemently deny any kinship or relationship with them...you have invited confusion into your midst. It is what it is. You are yet to tell the world what happened to your Bini names and language. Its a nameless forum and lots of people are going to be reading, you can join the discussion and post better information where you think the facts have been misrepresented. I have personally voiced my opinions, same as others...you are free to counter as you wish. No one is claiming any ancestral land or any people. It just beats the imagination the scenario you guys are trying to paint. How a "king" named Nduka Ezeagwuna has no relationship with anything Igbo but is actually Bini is a sad case of the dishonesty and penchant for historical inferiority complex that is common to your people. It is only natural that an Igbo person will take notice and ask questions. So far the answers have not been forthcoming or have been made out of ignorance. It is confusing scenarios like the ones you and your people have perpetuated that led to so many innocent lives being lost in the past. Imagine Bini "princes" being mistaken for "Igbon" slaves...huh? Bad I must say...too bad. Imagine if you guys had continued speaking your Edo language and bearing Edo names instead of "Igbon" names? It worked out disastrously for everyone involved in the past, who knows what the future will unfold? Start now and clarify with intelligent and historically correct answers... The facts of the matter are just being pointed out to you...and as expected you have no rejoinders. Or do you? 3 Likes |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by PabloAfricanus(m): 9:47pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
laudate: Dude, be a man and stop cheer leading 2 Likes |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by PabloAfricanus(m): 9:52pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
hammerF: Now you are looking for trouble How do you mean and where did you get that information from? Any research done to come up with that conclusion...care to share? Please be careful in your statements, Bini in its prime was larger than the area occupied by the present day Igbo speaking states. Moreover, the stark contrast in social life, culture and political systems between the Edos and the Igbos makes your statement sound very very very ignorant. Please desist from making ignorant statements like this that will only engender distrust and hatred. If you do not have the facts to back up your "facts"...then keep it to yourself. Thanks. 3 Likes |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by Ngozi123(f): 10:01pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
PabloAfricanus: He's our resident Igbo stalker... there's no point in giving him advice; he cannot help himself . |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by hammerF: 10:39pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
PabloAfricanus: The bolded statement is very ignorant and myopic. I know ur just joining this debate and based on my earlier recommendation, i will let u off softly whilst i correct ur presumptive errors. The bolded is the only opinion u raised and tried to pass off as a factual statement. The question u have to answer based on that presumption is; when was the Bini empire in its prime? Wat were the component of the Bini empire in its prime? Did it constitute a homogeneous entity or non homogeneous entity? The igbos in this context are presumed to be an homogeneous entity of people with the same language. "Now let me help u with the answer." If ur insinuation is based on bini being a non homogenous entity, occupying an area much larger than the area occupied by present day igbo speaking states, then ur argument is not only flawed but contradicts the claims u are trying to make. "I hope u can see ur error already." The British colonised more than half of the world. Does that make United Kingdom much larger than Russia? In the context that the Empire is no more today. This is a very good example, so reflect on it and wat u wrote then equate it to the claims that u are trying to lay. 1 Like |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by hammerF: 10:59pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Moreover, the stark contrast in social life, culture and political systems between the Edos and the Igbos makes your statement sound very very very ignorant. Secondly, the stark contrast in social life, culture, language and political systems between the Edos and the Igbos vindicate the point that i am trying to make contrarily to ur presumptive error. i will let u off lightly inview that u are not preview to arguements on the earlier pages of this thread. The Bini argued that Igbos descended from Bini and migrated to their present location in the East and that we are Bini people. We emphasized as u urself did that our culture, linguistics, social life and political systems differ. We further highligted that the Edoid language cluster and Igboid language cluster are not compatible.e.g. There are clear linguistic compatibility between the Bini, Esan and Urhobo. We further argued that whilst the linguistic evidence clearly show that the Urhobo and Esan migrated from Bini to their present locations down south and north respectively, the same cannot be said for igbo to corroborate their claims. We drew their attention to historic works of authority about the origins of the igbos in Nri and relatively the short distance between Nri and Onitsha in comparison to Benin to Onitsha and the River Niger. This fact was illustrated with a maps that can be found on earlier pages of this thread. Then we proceed to highlight that igbos on the banks of River Niger regularly fished and crossed the River to the present anioma for hunting. They eventually settled on acquired land and pushed their migration west. Do u need evidence of this claims? Go to Anioma and see the igbo settlement there. Then we further asked the BINI people here to account for the origins of bini language and its people. They were unable to provide any account for the origins of Bini and the Bini people. We highlighted that Bini is located between two major tribes. We emphasised that in ancient times, their were intertribal marriages wen two separate groups live in border towns. The area then expands over time. example were provided with the present day Urhobo and Ijaw in Isoko. We further highlighted that today in cases of inter-tribal marriages, the couple speak English but back then, a new and distinct tribe is craeted due to construction of new words and language to allow such couple or people communicate. Based on this evidence it is highly likely that the original settlers in present day Bini were igbos and they were joined by the neighboring yorubas. They inter-married and created the Bini lingua-franca, which in turn change on migration route down south to Urhobo and up north to Esan. These groups did not attempt to migrate East becos the Anioma or Ika occupied that location. Neither did dey migrate West becos the yorubas Occupied that location. They went in the direction that were unoccupied. 1 Like |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by BornStunner1: 11:24pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
ariesbull: DOES THIS ONE HAVE A BRAIN AT ALL? |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by OILSOUP: 11:27pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
BornStunner1: IT IS NOT A BINI WORD, PLS SEE MY POST ABOVE, I DONT WANT TO KEEP EXPLAINING THE SAME THING TO PEOPLE JUST JOINING. Ika(Igboid)----Ikhime Igbo--------Chime VARIANT OR VARIATION OF SPEECH WITHIN THE CLUSTER OF WORDS THAT CONSTITUTE THE IGBO (IGBOID) LANGUAGE CLUSTER. |
Re: 23 Year Old : Obi Nduka Ezeagwuna II Crowned 20th Obi Of Issele-uku - Pictures by BornStunner1: 11:40pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
OILSOUP: YOU OBVIOUSLY DID NOT START FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE THREAD JUST LIKE A TYPICAL IGBO OZOUR U SHARPLY RAN TO THE ENDING OF THE THREAD TO START FABRICATING TRASH I WOULD NOT EVEN WASTE TIME ON YOU ..... BCUS IT IS OBVIOUS MOST OF YOU ARE STILL SUFFERING FROM THE LASHING MUTILATING HUMILATION U IGBOS GOT FROM THE CIVIL WAR!! DO NOT WORRY YOU PPL WULD GET ANODA COMING SOON!! |
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