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| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by cap28: 12:45am On Jan 15, 2010 |
@davidylan you are way out of line with some of the disgusting garbage you are coming out with here. Haiti is a country which has been TARGETED for destruction by the US govt for over 200 years, you are completely ignorant to spout this nonsense when you have absolutely zero knowledge or understanding of Haitian history. are you aware that Haiti was the first black republic, the only nation of blacks who fought and defeated THREE FOREIGN IMPERIAL ARMIES - France, Spain and Britain are you aware that after emancipating themselves in 1804 they were forced to pay COMPENSATION to french slave holders which effectively bankrupted their country. Haiti has and remains a target of US agression as punishment for emancipating themselves from slavery. The US and europe imposed an economic blockade against this country for over 50 years causing their economy to go into a complete tailspin. They were effectively isolated economically and politically. The abuse did not stop there, over the years america has invaded this country countless times imposing corrupt puppet dictatorships along the way and causing misery for the Haitian people. Aristide the people's choice won a democratic election in 2004 but was kidnapped by US militia thugs who deported him from his own country to Congo and now they are lumbered with another US puppet. The US multinationals have transformed this former wealthy island into a giant sweat shop where poor Haitians work for less than 15cents an hour - these are the things Aristide was trying to stop. You know nothing about these people and yet you attack them in their moment of need. these people have done nothing to deserve this terrible earthquake, this country has gone from one tragedy to another and they are the most courageous black people you will ever come across. here is an excerpt from a book written by an american journalist/cartoonist detailing US interference in Haiti: Haiti from the book The CIAs Greatest Hits by Mark Zepezauer US troops invaded Haiti five times, once staying for almost twenty years (1915-35). At the end of that prolonged visit, during which we killed thousands of Haitians for daring to rebel, we left the country in the hands of the local National Guard, confident that they'd carry on our good work. From this arrangement emerged the Duvalier family dynasty and their private terrorist force, the machete-wielding Tontons Macoutes. "Papa Doc" Duvalier (he was a medical doctor) also relied on voodoo incantations and, during a 1959 uprising, the timely assistance of the US military. When Papa Doc died in 1971, his 19-year-old son, called Baby Doc, became "president-for-life." Throughout the blood-drenched rule of the Duvaliers (nearly 100,000 killed by the Tontons Macoutes alone), the US barely uttered a peep about human rights violations. In 1986, however, when it became apparent that Baby Doc's presidency could not in fact be sustained for his entire life (unless he died soon), the Reagan administration airlifted him to a retirement villa in France and started talking about the "democratic process." Before that could begin, however, the Haitian military had to be further strengthened. CIA money began flowing to Haiti, which had already seen US aid double during the Reagan years. The CIA set up an anti-narcotics service called-appropriately-SIN ("national intelligence service"  . As one CIA man admitted, SIN used its millions in CIA subsidies mainly to suppress popular movements by means of torture and assassination. Far from combating drugs, many SIN officers engage in the drug trade themselves.In 1990, elections were finally allowed. Haitians stunned the US by rejecting the candidate we preferred in favor of a left-wing Catholic priest, Jean Bertrand Aristide. The Bush administration could scarcely conceal its joy when Haiti's US-trained military deposed Aristide eight months later. When Bill Clinton took office, he offered lip service to the idea of returning Aristide to power. Even this hypocritical posturing was too much for the CIA, who leaked a"psychological profile" that painted the courageous, dedicated Aristide as a "psychopath." Endless waves of refugees, and US embarrassment over more than 4,000 killings by Haitian security forces, have led to even more vigorous US lip service. But if history is any indication, the chances of a government coming to power that meets the needs of the Haitian people are slim to none. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by cap28: 1:19am On Jan 15, 2010 |
@davidylan you are out of line with some of the comments you are coming out with here. Haiti is a country which has been TARGETED for economic exploitation by the US govt for over 200 years. are you aware that Haiti was the first black republic, the only nation of blacks who fought and defeated THREE FOREIGN IMPERIAL ARMIES - France, Spain and Britain are you aware that after emancipating themselves in 1804 they were forced to pay COMPENSATION to french slave holders which effectively bankrupted their country. Haiti has and remains a target of US agression as punishment for emancipating themselves from slavery. The US and europe imposed an economic blockade against this country for over 50 years causing their economy to go into a complete tailspin. They were effectively isolated economically and politically. The abuse did not stop there, over the years america has invaded this country countless times imposing corrupt puppet dictatorships along the way and causing misery for the Haitian people. Aristide, the people's choice won a democratic election in 2004 but was kidnapped by US militia thugs who deported him from his own country to Congo and now Haitians are lumbered with another US backed puppet. The US multinationals have transformed this former wealthy island into a giant sweat shop where poor Haitians work for less than 15cents an hour - Aristide introduced the minimum wage and was trying to introduce land reforms, free education, access to health care and other social services for all Haitians but this clashed with america's capitalist agenda of land appropriation and the exploitation of cheap Haitian labour. You know nothing about these people and yet you attack them in their moment of need. these people have done nothing to deserve this terrible earthquake, this country has gone from one tragedy to another and they are the most courageous black people you will ever come across. here is an excerpt from a book written by an american journalist/cartoonist detailing US interference in Haiti: Haiti from the book The CIAs Greatest Hits by Mark Zepezauer US troops invaded Haiti five times, once staying for almost twenty years (1915-35). At the end of that prolonged visit, during which we killed thousands of Haitians for daring to rebel, we left the country in the hands of the local National Guard, confident that they'd carry on our good work. From this arrangement emerged the Duvalier family dynasty and their private terrorist force, the machete-wielding Tontons Macoutes. "Papa Doc" Duvalier (he was a medical doctor) also relied on voodoo incantations and, during a 1959 uprising, the timely assistance of the US military. When Papa Doc died in 1971, his 19-year-old son, called Baby Doc, became "president-for-life." Throughout the blood-drenched rule of the Duvaliers (nearly 100,000 killed by the Tontons Macoutes alone), the US barely uttered a peep about human rights violations. In 1986, however, when it became apparent that Baby Doc's presidency could not in fact be sustained for his entire life (unless he died soon), the Reagan administration airlifted him to a retirement villa in France and started talking about the "democratic process." Before that could begin, however, the Haitian military had to be further strengthened. CIA money began flowing to Haiti, which had already seen US aid double during the Reagan years. The CIA set up an anti-narcotics service called-appropriately-SIN ("national intelligence service" . As one CIA man admitted, SIN used its millions in CIA subsidies mainly to suppress popular movements by means of torture and assassination. Far from combating drugs, many SIN officers engage in the drug trade themselves.In 1990, elections were finally allowed. Haitians stunned the US by rejecting the candidate we preferred in favor of a left-wing Catholic priest, Jean Bertrand Aristide. The Bush administration could scarcely conceal its joy when Haiti's US-trained military deposed Aristide eight months later. When Bill Clinton took office, he offered lip service to the idea of returning Aristide to power. Even this hypocritical posturing was too much for the CIA, who leaked a"psychological profile" that painted the courageous, dedicated Aristide as a "psychopath." Endless waves of refugees, and US embarrassment over more than 4,000 killings by Haitian security forces, have led to even more vigorous US lip service. But if history is any indication, the chances of a government coming to power that meets the needs of the Haitian people are slim to none. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by MandingoII(m): 3:43am On Jan 15, 2010 |
Absolute waste of time. I'm more perturbed by claims that Port Au Prince has no functioning hospital at present, no earth-moving vehicles for rescue operations, no roads, no emergency rescue services. What a DUMB AFRICAN |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by MandingoII(m): 3:49am On Jan 15, 2010 |
I havent done much for Nigeria because i am not yet in a position to contribute more than a useless N100 note to a situation that requires billions to solve. YOU are an unintelligent man. Obviously your brain cannot wrap around the FACT that Africa, ex-africans are to be EXPLOITED!!! Haiti FREED itself from the FRENCH in 1791. All White nations REFUSED to trade with Haiti and thus impoverished her. WHY? Because they were AFRAID that their SLAVES would revolt and free themselves, thus causing South America, North America and the carribbean Islands to lose its LABOR. The people of Haiti have always struck fear in White people. They were ruthless. Furthermore, In today's Economy - if you cannot TRADE you stay broke and busted. In the future - before you run your mouth - you should use your internet connection to EDUCATED yourself on BLACK HISTORY!!!! Dumbass |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Kobojunkie: 4:30am On Jan 15, 2010 |
lol |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by beejaei: 4:33am On Jan 15, 2010 |
@OP This is a sad day for NL. We have really sunk to a new low. I cannot imagine how this guy was voted best poster in Religion. I weep for our future, Nigeria. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 5:37am On Jan 15, 2010 |
MandingoII: oya no2a over to you - this is right up your alley |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by stronger: 11:25am On Jan 15, 2010 |
[b]DAVID AND CO. ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!! Why Should we waste precious time donating to Haitians in "need"? President Obama has pledged about $100,000,000. Rubbish!! That money is better off used SETTING UP A COMMITTEE on HOW THE DISASTER COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. I suggest we also invite a few STARVING, THIRSTY, HOMELESS Haitian kids to the panel to make valuable contributions. For one, that will keep their minds off the dozens of family, relatives and friends that are either missing or dead. The Red cross, Salvation Army, Wyclef's YELE, MTV's telethon and all other such fund raisers are all wasting their time!!!! Instead of a telethon, for instance, there should be numerous TV shows where viewers can discuss the crimes of the Haitian government, why the buildings were not all built with reinforced concretes, why predominantly black countries seem to all be failed states, why we had to wait for a disaster to donate to Haiti etc. LARGE SCREEN TVs should be installed in strategic places in the destroyed city of Port-au-Prince where these shows can be viewed by the homeless children, so they can learn from their mistakes!!! @DAVID. . . Good Job, My Brother. I suggest you write a comprehensive essay on all your VALID and PERFECTLY TIMED points and send a copy to the UN, US, EU, Haiti. . . You never know, you could get a NOBEL PRIZE for it! Well done bro!![/b] |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Horus(m): 11:40am On Jan 15, 2010 |
Absolute waste of time. I'm more perturbed by claims that Port Au Prince has no functioning hospital at present, no earth-moving vehicles for rescue operations, no roads, no emergency rescue services. You don't seem to realise that all the building hospital in Port-aux-Prince collapsed during the earthquake killing also the doctors, the nurses and many of the emergency rescue services men's died also. At the moment there is more than 100.000 deads. All roads are obstructed with tonnes of stone and building parts. I think you are an heartless person. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by tboy1(m): 12:57pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
Why divert the real issue into some unnecessary argument? Its not rocket science you either Donate or Dont. No need to give lectures bout haiti, the average person probably has access to the internet to get history/Info on haiti. Wish the Moderators can just clean up this thread. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by debosky(m): 2:13pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
@ stronger Priceless sarcasm - couldn't have done it better myself.  |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by platinumnk(f): 4:14pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
where is David to challenge it now?  |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 4:45pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
platinumnk: Enjoying a nice evening . . . oblivious of the vitriol being heaped here. The problem here is that folks have basically a one-track mind and have allowed empty emotionalism to cloud their senses of reasoning. No way have i said that relief supplies to starving Haitians is not in order . . . my point however is that more often than not the cries for "donations" are nothing but a smoke-screen, an ego boost, a way to squirrel away something into our "good deeds" piggy bank. 90% of those clamouring here could not even point to Haiti on the world map less than 10 days ago. Suddenly they now love the dying in Haiti? Where were they when thousands were starving to death? 3% of all you give is going into the pockets of credit card companies who are estimating a $250m profit from your giving spree. The US has sent over $3bn in aid to Haiti . . . where has it all gone? Everyone seems to be avoiding the REAL ISSUE . . . there is a deep-seated problem with BLACKS as a race. Only countries with majority black populations whether in Africa, America, the pacific or Europe are REGULARLY and ACCURATELY portrayed as dirt-poor, starving and helplessly at the mercy of their white or asian superior races. Mark my words . . . in less than 90 days, the hoopla over Haiti will die down, the starving will get packs of food and water and then be left alone to continue eating their mud cakes. Nothing will change in Haiti, much of the "aid" will be ferreted away by the priviledged few, more Haitians will be plunged below the poverty line . . . and the noise makers on this thread will go on with their selfish lives as usual. Haiti will be forgotten, waiting for the next disaster before they start wailing for contributions again. Its amazing how many humanitarians we have on these boards . . . Nigeria would be a better place today if they harnessed this love for humanity in better ways than hiding in foreign countries. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 4:51pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
beejaei: lol you're weeping for the future of Nigeria over my personal opinion? Save your tears . . . they will be needed in future. cap28: It didnt take long before the usual "its all America's fault" excuse came tumbling down no? Mexico, Dominican Republic, Venezuela . . . EVEN CUBA that has been on the US blacklist for decades all have far far better infrastructure than Haiti. You must all be blind, deaf and dumb. The problem of Haiti did not start with the earthquake . . . they've been there before only you didnt have CNN bringing it to your doorstep. Get real dudes . . . Haiti is another in a myriad of examples of the black race being a failure. I'm ashamed to say so but i challenge anyone to show me a functioning black nation. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Kobojunkie: 5:47pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
As much as I hate that Haitians allowed themselves to get to where they are today, I have to state that there is a time for everything and it does not seem this is the time to argue this issue. This is time to help. But I believe in the near future, cries need to go out to Haitians to stand up for better life before this happens again. It has almost become a yearly occurrence and is too much. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Omolulu(m): 5:50pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
Kobojunkie:point on |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by JeSoul(f): 5:53pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
hehe so this is where all the action is Now to all, I think giving to the Haitians at this point should be encouraged and we should all do the little that we can to help. This is the human thing to do, help your neighbor as best you can and it is laudable esp to Platinumk, keep it up! Now that being said, the problem with doing that is that the aid will arrive, be distributed to the survivors, and then once the dust has settled the aid will stop and Haiti will be right back in the same terrible or even worse conditions it was in. And even the aid money does not always make it down to the streets, if there is corruption on top, the money will stop up there and hence all our efforts would have been in vain. As tough and perhaps "heartless" as it may sound, I do agree that now (after the immediate relief efforts to save/help/provide for survivors of course) is the time with Haiti being on the world stage to demand the re-building leaves out the corporate structure of corruption and ignorance that has crippled that nation. They must now with this tragedy begin to look inwards as a nation and address why they are the poorest in the western hemisphere, without infrastructure, functioning hospitals, schools etc. There is no excuse for them to be in such a condition esp as their dominican neighbors thrive on virtually the same soil. David is raising some very good points (albeit in his typical harsh manner that he is known and even loved for here on NL). Let us try to look past the sensationalistic and strong emotions this tragedy has drummed up in us and see that all our aid will only be temporary and could be in vain, if this opportunity is not used to lift Haiti out of the dust it has been in for over 200yrs. Cheers! |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by stronger: 6:52pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
@DAVID davidylan: Err, not completely true. Maybe not in the exact words, but you have as ur past quotes below will show. . . davidylan link=] Fine. .Everyday, the world talks about aid to poor nations, reducing poverty and hunger, clean water, AIDS, peacekeeping efforts, etc. . BUT, when a disaster of this magnitude happens, the world’s attention shifts to them. . . It’s one word. . PRIORITY!! That shouldn’t be so hard to get!! davidylan: Very well DAVID. Your words have been marked. The countdown (90 DAYS) to "PROJECT ABANDON HAITI" begins now!! Before then. . . DONATE, DONATE, DONATE !!!! |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 6:57pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
stronger: Absurd. That is not the issue at all . . . i am simply suggesting that blacks get their acts together and confront the problem besetting nations with predominantly black people head on. I wonder if i'm alone in starting to feel ashamed on the images of blacks on TV. Are we inferior to the whites and Asians who DEVELOP the capacity to deal with crisis like this? Israel is only 8 miles wide . . . it remains a formidable foe to close to 22 arab nations desperate to destroy her . . . Japan suffered 2 atomic bombs and has risen to become the world's second largest economy today. What is wrong with the black man? Haiti is far older than the USA . . . why are its citizens still eating mud cakes today? Is the truth being lost in the cacophony of donation requests? Is the black man going to survive on donations and aid forever? stronger: It might interest you to know that $3bn in aid from the US achieved nothing. stronger: What a sad sad day it is to be black. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Kobojunkie: 7:17pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
@Stronger, I disagree with your analysis of that. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by debosky(m): 7:34pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
davidylan: What are you going on about? Because they were not aware of the suffering in Haiti before now, their actions once made aware are do not count? What kind of thinking is this?
So what? Because the credit card companies will make a profit people should not GIVE? Will the credit card companies not make a profit from other means or are they dependent on aid giving?  The issue of US aid needs to be tackled, but what on earth does that have to do with a 200 year epochal event? Could the $3bn stop the earthquake?
Oh yes - perception is the real issue not the current suffering on the ground. The way you are 'portrayed' is more important than saving lives.
Ok - so because the hoopla will die down, people should ignore the Haitians suffering and need for aid right now, heck they should be left for dead right now instead of giving them a chance to at least make a living in the aftermath.
Right - so your self-righteous pontification here will change things in Haiti I'm sure. Or your sitting on your palms till you get BILLIONS (your own words) needed to cause a change. The US and other nations (just as intellectual as our dear david mind you) who are doing their best to render immediate aid are all daft. They should all arrange means to debate why things went wrong and not help.
That is not your call to make - do your own bit or don't do it. Leave people to decide what is best for them to do. Sitting down, doing NOTHING and passing judgment is a big joke. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by debosky(m): 7:40pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
davidylan: Unfortunately for you - your 'shame' means you can do nothing but talk - people are doing their bit, sacrificing, giving SOMETHING, ANYTHING to make another person's life better, while you keep thinking of how 'ashamed' you feel.
Good question - what is wrong with black people is a valid question, but if you feel CONDEMNING aid donations is solving a problem you must be more deluded than you realise.
Is the fate of a nation solely dependent on it's age? Have you bothered to do research on the deprivation faced by Haiti due to it's rebellion against colonisation in it's early history? No - you just punch up the age of a nation and make conclusions. So much for intellectual examination of a problem.
Is that the truth? Will you discuss 'forever' when according to you, your money can be used for better things - i.e. leaving people to die?
How do you know this? How have you determined that aid did nothing? By sitting down and typing in front of your pc?
Of course - it's all about how you feel, not the suffering of others. It's just how this makes you feel and appear. On behalf of the Haitians I apologise on their behalf for making you feel sad. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by preselect(m): 7:49pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
david is so so soooooooooooooo wrong. @david you are making a very valid argument at the ''wrongeeeeest'' time |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 7:53pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
debosky: 99% of you are completely misreading my points and that is solely down to the fact that you all think you deserve some form of "congratulations" for coming here to "donate" to Haiti. Truth be told . . . those who WILL donate to Haiti are doing so, they do not require announcing it on a forum to do their civic duty. That aside . . . no one came here to "condemn aid donations" . . . rather the question is WHEN WILL BLACKS STAND ON THEIR OWN TWO FEET? The crisis in Haiti only opened up an opportunity to discuss why we seem to sit down and wait for disasters before we start clamoring for aid. Why is it that white and asian nations have the capacity and foresight to prepare for incidents like this far in advance and we cant? Why are we the only race that is constantly and accurately portrayed in the media as completely helpless without outside aid? It isnt only Haiti . . . Sudan, somalia, Congo . . . when are we going to bring out the begging bowls for them too? WHAT IS WRONG WITH US? How come Haiti has NO seismic monitoring station even though it lies in a earthquake-prone belt? How is it that there are NO building standards in a nation with histories of hurricanes and earthquakes? Why is Haiti so poor and yet much older than the USA? Those are the questions . . . NOTHING to do with whether you wish to give aid or not. By all means donate your entire yrs salary shld you wish to . . . but while you do that pls spare a thought for why your race continues to act like it is inferior to others. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 7:54pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
pres-elect: When is the right time? When there is no earthquake? Where were you to make these arguments before the earthquake? |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Omolulu(m): 8:04pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
Davidylan are you therefore saying that the relief efforts there are worthless simply because black people have had a problem with governance? cos i'm sure you understand that all efforts are directed towards immediate relief of the citizens. this is like a man who has been shot by robbers and instead of you to call for help or render help you rather analyse the situation of the country and start cursing the govt for poor security, even with the relief efforts the tendency Haiti would still remain a poor nation is very high so don't bring it up now as if that was the cause of the earthquake. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 8:10pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
Omolulu: I'm begining to think you all cannot read. Pls go back to my posts . . . where did i tell you not to give? Give by all means but let me ask you a question . . . what is the motivation behind your "giving"? Are you giving because the whole world has finally called attention to this and whites are also giving too? Why is this disaster of more significance to many of you now calling breathlessly for donations? More people have died in Sudan, Somalia, Congo, Angola . . . i didnt hear any of you cry for "donations". Where were the threads for those nations or is an earthquake different from civil wars? I had to stop myself from laughing reading a couple of Nigerians IN NIGERIA asking where they could donate for Haiti . . . it set me wondering if the typical African really has the capacity to reason. You're donating to Haiti and your own country has no light, no water, bad roads, no functioning government, 80% poverty, close to 50% illiteracy and police brutality? Have those people become so inured to the sight of dead bodies on Lagos roads that Haiti is now a priority for them? Please donate to Haiti . . . but i cant but think many of you are being hypocritical about this. You're only giving because ur white masters are now involved. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 8:14pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
debosky: What laughable absurdity. Each time we ask why Nigeria isnt developing we are regaled with tales of how Nigeria is only 50 yrs old and the fact that the USA was no different at a similar age. Now we find Haiti is even older than the US and all of a sudden age of a nation does not matter? Africans can make you wonder sometimes . . .So Haiti's problem is now because of the wicked whites who punished them for daring to rebel during colonialisation?  So how come the Domincan republic just next door is a better nation? How has Cuba survived decades of sanctions from the US government? Wasnt Iraq once a colony of Britain? Even with its wars it still has far better emergency services than Haiti at its best. Africans shld be ashamed of themselves when they make such ridiculous excuses. No wonder the world treats us like the irrelevant turd we portray ourselves to be. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by JeSoul(f): 8:16pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
davidylan:David this is out of order now you do not know the heart behind those giving here. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Nobody: 8:17pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
JeSoul: My dear . . . the truth is bitter. When i see Africans being equally concerned about their neighbors here in Africa then i could change my mind. If Haiti were in Africa and in civil war . . . i doubt anyone would care about them. Its hard to watch TV, read the news, see all these celebs "urging us to give" (even though they could single-handedly fund the recovery in Haiti with one single pay check) . . . and not be "inspired" to give too. |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by Omolulu(m): 8:18pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
As i read from an earlier post the problem is from your arrogance and i obviously know u are being analytical to a fault, instead of just posting topics because u have strength to reply you should allow those who want to donate irrespective of the problems we have in Nigeria donate chikena! Until this kind of thing affects your family members before you know that life is more than complaining whether one govt is good or bad. if your problems is Nigerians donating because they don't have light and water, well at least they have their lives and loved ones, and once there is life there is hope, so just save your energy for a more constructive topic, |
| Re: Davidylan Challenges Motivation & Usefulness of 'Relief Efforts' for Haiti by debosky(m): 8:22pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
davidylan: let's not muddle issues up - let's stick to Haiti will you?
No one said age doesn't matter, BUT it is the most irrational and reductionist argument to claim that simply beause the US is younger than Haiti then Haiti should not be less developed or cannot receive aid from the US.
Did Dominican republic receive independence AGAINST the wish of the colonial powers? Admit - just like the people you are accusing, you know next to NOTHING about the genesis or time line of Haiti's problems. All you know is that they make you ashamed like all the other black countries - how is that a rational examination of what went wrong?
Stop making silly comparisons - was Cuba denied ALL trade during it's early years? Was Cuba not bankrolled by the Soviet Union for most of those years and now by Venezuela? Was Iraq prevented from trading? What comparisons are you making?
Ah - your greatest weapon. Shame - what a wonderful tool. We should all be ashamed. But you shouldn't be ashamed that you make crass assumptions without any attempt to examine the origin of the matter before making condemnations of the country.
Like I said initially - this is all about YOU and how it makes you feel. If your blackness hurts you so much, I can supply you with bleaching cream. |
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