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Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by sjeezy8: 3:25pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
What they want is what the whole south of Nigeria wants federalism. But blowing shiot up isnt going to change the constitution and when we do have federalism Oil companies will probably be reluctant to base their companies in the ND. (NNPC is going private) Not to mention some of the militants playing both sides and are not genuine to those in ND. As some militants are actually being paid to blow up pipelines in order to increase the price of Oil by dereasing the quantity of Oil. O yea beaf is a gay |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by edoyad(m): 4:29pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
"Fire don start, na who go kill am" My brothers and sisters don't deceive yourselves, the militants are the true Nigerian heroes bringing change to this land. Why do you people feel we can't progress without oil ? I dream of a Nigeria where oil production will be less than 100,000 bpd then the fake Nigerians would be forced to abandon the broke govt. In such a situation only genuine material would aspire for political office because there would be no easy oil money at the center. When that happens the Mining and Agriculture that we've been hearing stories of for eons will definitely be looked into as a way out of the problem. I hope Akwaibom and CrossRiver youths start representing too, because i don't think that part of the country is better off than the rest of the country where corruption, poverty and unemployment are rife. Youths are the ones to bring about this revolution. Aluta continua ! |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Beaf: 4:34pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
sjeezy8: Get this into your thick skull, [size=14pt]we want the oil companies to leave[/size]. We are better off without them, did you hear that Shell paid a huge sum in out of court settlement for gross human rights abuses, just last year? Ode. All the time ND people were going about the struggle peacefully, the rest of the country never gave a damn about what was happening. Instead, Saro Wiwa and 8 others were hanged, just as other killings and official arson continued. [size=14pt]Do you realise the losses at Odi alone are estimated at 2500 dead? Did you shameless hypocrites come out on the streets to demonstrate? The ND has lost 60,000 innocent souls and 50 communities in this way. Have you hypocrites even signed a single pertition?[/size] Some misguided people think that MEND is there to help them do their own fighting, sorry, get your own people to agitate or fight or whatever. Afterall, if it wasn't for MEND, retards like you wouldn't even know that the system Nigeria paractices is more feudal than federal. Dummy. Some of you are thinking about their jobs, well underage children, their mothers and sisters are despoiled daily and their men murdered in the creeks to provide you that "job". You are too empty and soulless to realise that, you don't care for us and we surely aren't fighting for you; we need to free ourselves first. Fight for yourselves, or don't you people have balls that minority groups should be the ones to wake up and do your fighting? The whole World regards the Niger Delta as a place were some of the worst human rights abuses occur (I provided enough links from the UN, Amnesty International etc). Here is another one from an ND person http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/comment/34801 if you refer to my little story, i referred to the FG as "Landlords" and i also highlighted the molestation of the ND people with soldiers whenever they tried to complain peacefully. I also know the story of Saro Wiwa very very well. In your little story, you referred to those who support the militancy as "FOOL's". Practically a 100% of ND people support the militancy. If you claim to know Saro Wiwa's story and the fact that there is no negotiation with ND people, rather all oil bearing land is simply siezed by the FG, then rather than spout more rubbish, a more descent and balanced person would have offered an apology. Instead you render more lies about 90% of jobs in Warri and PH depending on the very oil companies we want to leave. You don't know what you are talking about, yet you want to continue talking stup!dly. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Ibime(m): 4:44pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
@ the political class who have no economic agenda but to bleed us dry, the message should be loud and clear: the days of rent-seeking in the Niger-Delta are over. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by edoyad(m): 4:55pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
. When one is in comfort, it is hard to empathize with struggles of others. Before anyone talks again ask yourself this questions; "is this the best Nigeria can be ?", "are the people running this country even nearly the second best we can produce ? " . Please think very well about these things before you blame someone for fighting for himself. Should men like Pat Utomi and many others in and outside this country not be contributing to solve our diseased land ? Please think very well whether this is the way a country should be run. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Meldrick(m): 5:00pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
edoyad:VICTORIA ACERTA Ibime: YES O!!!! |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by obailala(m): 5:48pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
Wily+Wily:If u are truly tired of feeding on crumbs, why cant u strive to get ur rightful position on the dining table? why cant u use all those sophisticated weapons to blow up the people that have deprived u of ur rightful share? Since u no longer want crumbs, I guess getting nothing at all would be better. May I remind u that the thieves that have deprived u all these years have stashed enough to last them plenty lifetimes. If u continue in ur misplaced aggression, u will end up impoverishing a large majority of ur compatriots who feed from these companies. If u are confused on where to direct ur Hurricane, I suggest u direct it to the BAD Leaders we have in Nigeria. Meldrick: No doubt, the ND was better off before the Oil boom but with so much oil comes so much money and with so much money, comes so much greed and with so much greed comes so much corruption. This is the Nigerian story. One thing we have to have in mind is the fact that the corruption is already a part of us. Even if we abandon Oil and go back to produce palm kernel, palm oil, fishing etc as it was before, as long as we do not fight the corrupt leaders that have been siphoning the regions wealth, the status quo will remain and it will even be worse for the ND people because the "crumbs" they get will be smaller. The region produces billions of dollars, the govt takes it all and tosses a few coins to the people, What do u think will happen when the region starts producing a few thousands? Lets not be myopic about this issue Beaf:As much as I sympathize with the people of Odi, but did the Odi massacre have anything to do with any oil company? Beaf:Mr Beaf, this is exactly what I'm trying to say, these atrocities u highlighted are carried out by agents of the Govt. including the murder of Saro Wiwa and Co. No doubt, the bone of contention was the full control of the resources of the region but in my own opinion, the real enemy is the central govt. and the hurricane should be directed properly. If these companies leave today, then the region would have completely lost in all its battles and sacrifices through the decades. Beaf:I did not refer to all who supported militants rather, i referred to those who support the militants "BLINDLY." Personally, I support the militants in their Violent struggle cos i know that the typical Nigerian listens only to the language of force but my problem with them lies in the strategy they have deployed. They are misdirecting their aggression and causing more harm. As for my earlier statement with regards to 90% citizens of Warri, PH and other ND cities living off the oil companies, I still stand my ground. The Oil companies are responsible for the economies of these cities. I doubt if u reside in the ND else u wouldn't argue with me on this one. Meldrick:aluta continua, victoria acerta! . . oh yes! victory is certain but what is ur definition of this victory? is it a ND where the people will fully control their resources and live comfortably or is it a ND where there will no longer be any resources and people will live in abject poverty despite tolerating years of living in oppression ? |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Meldrick(m): 6:16pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
obailala: Of course your first interpretation or answer is surely correct. A Niger Delta where the people will fully control their resources and live comfortably. Don't ask about the possibility because someday it will become reality. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Beaf: 6:27pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
I did not refer to all who supported militants rather, i referred to those who support the militants "BLINDLY." Personally, I support the militants in their Violent struggle cos i know that the typical Nigerian listens only to the language of force but my problem with them lies in the strategy they have deployed. They are misdirecting their aggression and causing more harm. Don't make me laugh. What can you tell me about Warri? Simple test for you; what is the name of the god worshipped in the Agbassa juju festival? We would be better off without the oil companies and so would Nigeria. As Edoyad said earlier, we would suddenly realise that we have human and physical resources. 99% of the corruption we have in that country is due to easy oil money and the manner in which it is obtained. Money from expoitation breeds corruption, simple as. If the oil companies were to leave, it would also immediately dawn on Nigerians that our federal structure is wrong. Our present arrangement was created for two purposes, the siphoning of from the ND into Hausa/Fulani cabal pockets and the directing of Hausa / Fulani commanded troops to enforce expoitation. Every state and revenue source has been subjugated to our parasitic architecture; your governor must go to Abuja to beg for money while Abuja manages everything for him (even the creation of LG's in your state). I have another simple question for you. At the time the militants drastically reduced Nigeria's oil output, did your life change? No, it didn't. The obvious reason is that proceeds from oil go directly into Hausa/Fulani cabal pockets, it doesn't change the economy one bit; they only manage to leave a little for the import of innadequate quantities of fuel, which see's you clamouring overnight at a filling station just to get a little juice in the tank. Hilary Clinton put it very accurately when she said that only 1% of Nigeria's population benefits from oil and that it is a pity that foreigners know more about Nigeria than Nigerians. It is high time, we as Nigerians sat down and did some really hard thinking. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by obailala(m): 7:59pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
Beaf: I totally agree with u that our federal structure is wrong and that 1% of the population enjoys 99% of the nations wealth. I also agree with u that 99% of the corruption we have today in Nigeria is due to the easy oil money but where I disagree is in your assumption that with the disappearance of oil money, our nation would be a better place. Those parasites u talk about would be more desperate and as long as they (parasites) remain on top, I fear that the status quo will still remain. I do not agree with ur ideology that the ND should totally forfeit the oil wealth and remain poor. With proper strategies, the percentage of the people enjoying the oil wealth could be increased. Beaf:Oh off course, it did affect me and a lot of people around me. This ur statement further proves my earlier assumption that u do not stay or work in the ND. A chain reaction of the reduced production affected most small mushroom companies as their contracts where terminated. Average oil company staff, contractors, subcontractors, co-sub contractors (who are mainly ND indegenes) etc were the major victims of terminated jobs, downsizing, contract suspensions etc All I am saying is that it wouldnt make any sense to take away the meal tickets of the few innocent NDeltans that are surviving on the "crumbs" simply because u want to deprive the North from stealing the wealth. Rather, more pragmatic steps should be taken to ensure that the wealth gets to the rightful owners. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by frudokafor(m): 8:28pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
application forms are out in case you wish to join, i mean militancy |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Beaf: 8:38pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
obailala: The second half of your argument is way off mark. Oil money will make little difference to what people can do for themselves if the govt invests in them as a resource; so saying the ND will remain poor if oil money is gone is not correct, in fact most of the poverty in our hinterlands are caused by the presence of oil companies and the siezure of our lands and waterways. I believe we agree on very much everything else. I posted an article some time ago on a practical way for the country to wean itself off oil and diversify. I've tried to search for it , but can't find it. Our only hope is true federalism, with the ND realising that we cannot achieve it in one day and there must be give and take. The bottomline is, there must be an agreed and equitable roadmap away from our dependence on oil or we will continue to have pipelines and installations destroyed and corruption thriving in Abuja. I am quite sure that the ND won't mind funding our way out of this hell and finally getting on the road to industrialisation. frudokafor: |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by EzeUche(m): 9:52pm On Feb 09, 2010 |
LET THEM BLOW UP THE PIPELINES!!! Oil is the glue that keeps Naija together. I am glad my family does not depend on oil. We are doctors, lawyers and educators, therefore we have no need for oil. Lazy fools who depend on oil. I hope you all suffer slowly!!! |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by jessefly: 8:12am On Feb 10, 2010 |
nice analysis from u folks, but u fail to recognize dat ignorance is no defense d only wayND can empower demselves n control their rresources effectively is by achieving d level of education the yorubas have. I was talking to some lads do u know ND people sell deir own slots to outsiders because as far as a horizon dey cant see fellow brethren to get deir slots Do you know how dey desire quick money, through bunkering n etc Do you know dey are first to be taken in any recruitment from so called MNC Do you know underneath dese so called struggle as long as u carry arms u can only feel u should get wateva u want people Charity begins at home let ND people tackle deir proglems from d root of it n stop skipping d steps of d ladder to start at d top Or do u fill if such resources wer in the SW the people ther wont contol their resources well, so once again ABEGGI |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Abagworo(m): 8:18am On Feb 10, 2010 |
Coming here to boast of your education that has no evidence is unneccessary and might derail this thread.it might be true that the get money quick syndrome has eaten deep into an average niger-deltan but wait a minute.is it not thesame all over nigeria? |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Beaf: 8:20am On Feb 10, 2010 |
jessefly: Aside from Lagos, ND states are more educated than Yoruba states. You need to drop your ignorance, it becomes foolishness when you make assumptions based on it. Unpolished minds tend to be ignorant and live by rumour (something that is replete in your post above). Shame. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Meldrick(m): 8:30am On Feb 10, 2010 |
jessefly: Very poor analysis. Who told you Niger Delta youths are not educated. Go take a look at the borders and see yorubas involved in the bunkering job. People sit down to type rubbish and all they can think about is to farment trouble with their poor knowledge on ethnic background. Highly tribalistic fool. Despite all the professors and richly educated people we have in the ND, you cough rubbish on NL. Don't annoy me because it is too early. Your type are only good at causing religious and tribal wars there after running to hide. Beaf: True Talk. In fact the lands and rivers in the Niger Delta have been grealtly polluted as a result of this same oil buisness and this has greatly affected farming and fishing in the ND. The people of the Niger Delta would have done better in these areas if there was no oil. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by jessefly: 9:22am On Feb 10, 2010 |
dis thread is heating up, name calling n stuff, well mel n beaf, ur views r ur views n my views r my views n i refuse to acknowledge d fact dat ND is not to blame for the problems they face, once again charity begins at home, so let dem get their acts clean n stop making an already difficult nation mor difficult for us to reside in. thinking we reached somewher with the amnesty stuff we got in2 wont u give it time to work b4 further agitations ABEGGI |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by edoyad(m): 9:32am On Feb 10, 2010 |
Mr Jessefly good morning, just to straighten things out, i take it you're saying the current unsettled state of the ND is the fault of the inhabitants ? |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Jakumo(m): 9:45am On Feb 10, 2010 |
The gathering storm of war in the Niger Delta could be defused literally with the stroke of a pen, in the form of the authorizing signatures required to FORMALLY install Vice President Jonathan Goodluck as President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, effective RIGHT AWAY. President Yar Adua to his credit negotiated a tentative peace agreement with the armies of the Niger Delta, but given that Yar Adua has been ailing or dead for too long already, the best man to restart that now teetering peace process is Vice President Jonathan Goodluck, a thoroughbred son of the Niger Delta, and living confirmation that those whose ancestors trace origin to Nigeria's fields of black gold are finally being embraced in the corridors of federal power. Yes, indeed, the title has a nice ring to it : Jonathan Goodluck, President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Standing by for your appointment, sir, and the LASTING peace it will usher in. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Beaf: 9:51am On Feb 10, 2010 |
^ His appointment was automatic, there will be oaths. You're a bit late. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by Jakumo(m): 9:55am On Feb 10, 2010 |
I hope it is all cut and dried as you say, Beaf. That would be some of the best news to come out of Nigeria for a while. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by MyJoe: 10:18am On Feb 10, 2010 |
Jakumo: It's Goodluck Jonathan. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by obailala(m): 11:54am On Feb 10, 2010 |
All these arguments about the stopping of all oil production as being the best solution for the ND region makes me laugh. These are just the sounds of frustration, the sounds of defeat and the sounds of hopelessness. Why cant the ND people look on the bright side? Who says full resource control cannot be achieved? Meldrick:The ND region no doubt, was better off b4 the oil wealth but I doubt if the region can return to its past glory if the oil production stops today; Not with all the already polluted lands and waters. The damage has already been done. I wonder why some people have failed to see the writings on the wall. I know a good number of ordinary NDeltans that have lost their livelihoods due to the production shut-ins recorded in the last two years. Making these people and many more go hungry cannot be the best solution to this crisis. Rather, a more productive approach by the militants should be the channeling of their forces towards achieving full control of their resources and empowering more people instead of destroying these God given resources. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by kcblast(m): 5:54pm On Feb 14, 2010 |
utu_mma:u are right, i feel u sooo much |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by kcblast(m): 6:06pm On Feb 14, 2010 |
note that it is only oil industry is making real cash in nigeria.so, Gov.t have 2 do something about it before is 2late coz d world is gradually moving out of crude oil to nuclear as source of fuel . Let Gov.t think something like Agriculture,technology & so many of them. So, let them go ahead and put solution to all this mess in dis damned country. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by jpphilips(m): 5:04pm On Feb 22, 2010 |
[b]Until these militants learn to use their brains to think, they and all those that support their actions blindly (including those here on NL) will remain FOOLS. You have a head |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by jpphilips(m): 5:13pm On Feb 22, 2010 |
For your information, Soyinka was on the side of sensible reasoning, that was why he decided to join the Aaron team. He did not join because he supported the blowing up of flow stations and pipelines which would further pollute the already polluted land and impoverish the people. Rather, he was sympathetic to the plights of the people and he decided to infuse intellectualism (which was obviously lacking) into the struggle. Actually, he said himself he was there as an observer to ensure both parties kept their ends of the bargain. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by jpphilips(m): 5:31pm On Feb 22, 2010 |
I have another simple question for you. [b]At the time the militants drastically reduced Nigeria's oil output, did your life change? No, it didn't. The obvious reason is that proceeds from oil go directly into Hausa/Fulani cabal pockets, it doesn't change the economy one bit; they only manage to leave a little for the import of innadequate quantities of fuel, which see's you clamouring overnight at a filling station just to get a little juice in the tank. Hilary Clinton put it very accurately when she said that only 1% of Nigeria's population benefits from oil and that it is a pity that foreigners know more about Nigeria than Nigerians. I never knew a Nigerian has lived so blindly? did you really ask this question? Gosh you need , |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by jpphilips(m): 6:22pm On Feb 22, 2010 |
@ Obailala Please I beg you in the name of God, stop wasting your God given intelligence on a psycho like beaf. Common sense i now believe has become a luxury these days guess he didn't read this; MEND oh MEND, I will Advise Mend to form an Anti corruption millitia, that will ensure zero tolerance for corruption, i bet you that The Niger delta will be liberated even with the oil companies existing.Hunt these lunatics in power, pull down their empire, kidnap them, Recover the money then Use it to dualize East west road. Every ND politician will have fear, Use your supremacy and install fear in these bastards and everyone will champion your cause. Dont bother about where you will get your funding, these companies that you will soar their profits in the long run will support you, the world in diaspora will support you also well meaning Nigerians will fund you. Make no Mistakes, the benefits of a corrupt free Nigeria Can never be undermined lest i forget, Intels owned majorly by Atiku is a great beneficiary of his self championed ports concession. he almost took over a province in the niger delta and beyond talking about Onne and Calabar ports without due process, yet the logistics dat will cripple such corruption proceed is minimal yet Mend looks the other way. |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by jpphilips(m): 6:33pm On Feb 22, 2010 |
LET THEM BLOW UP THE PIPELINES!!! And If the the oil money build no hospital where your folks will practice then you live on, And if your Hospital cannot employ more than 50 people whereas An oil company can then unemployment will be, And if the oil Money build no court, then your folks and the justice system will be, And if the staffs in oil companies don't have their children in your schools then your profit will be, And when you are juxtaposed with your contemporaries in the oil and gas sector you are, Guess the Arse hole has got some cerebrum |
Re: Militants Destroy Shell Facility In Rivers by ezeagu(m): 8:10pm On Feb 22, 2010 |
jp philips: I guess your argument is that a country without oil profits cannot survive, which makes me wonder what state of hell-on-earth Nigeria must have been before the 70's. |
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