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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:34pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:



You are missing a vital point I made which is why your entire submission is invalid.

I said putting aside all we know about evolution.

In other words let's assume man did not evolve based on what evolution says but still needs water to survive.

I also asked "how can man create water to sustain the entire earth" and not the small way your video depicts.

Let me repeat. I AM NOT THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT EVOLUTION AND MANS ALLEGED ORIGIN.

I am coming from another angle. This is so the truly critical minds can think outside the box.

If man needed water he had to have first evolved but I am not thinking in line with evolution but discarding that idea and working with a different idea.

Try again cheesy

Your alternate reality is a contradiction to itself: If man and every life on earth never needed water to survive, how then did it occur that out of the blue man needs water?

If man needed water then man must have evolved with water therefore the planet man evolved from must have water but if man didn't need water at all to survive in the first place the whole notion of a sudden need for water defeats your own implication of critical thinking since the question itself fails in this stead.

I could show you a way to step out of the problem this question creates for you if you ask nicely... lol..

Answer this very related question: What if now at this moment we all suddenly requires to breath in plutonium and not oxygen to survive?

Think about the relation and implication of such a paradoxical frog jump, i'm a patient person and i have faith you can figure that basic implication out

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 7:35pm On Sep 07
Martinez19:
If there is no water at, survival would be impossible except there are chemical means to produce water or we evolve to scrap out our dependence on water. If both ways are not possible, we would die out because you are alive if the environmental conditions supports or else you die out. Butterflylion you have a reply, anything else?

Apart from replies such as mine(which speaks on and contribute to the survival of aerobic life or other lifeforms in absence of water), I don't see the purpose of your thread. Or I that the only purpose.

You are still confined to the box of evolution. Read my comments again.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by 701ecilana: 7:35pm On Sep 07
adepeter2027:
I dont even understand the op sef...
No be your type dey here.

Johnnydon22, pls help lecture this child.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by sonofluc1fer: 7:40pm On Sep 07
Assume only man needs x to survive.
Imagine x doesn't exist.
How will man create x?

Na wa. Critical thinking, nkita thinking.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Martinez19(m): 7:42pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:


You are still confined to the box of evolution. Read my comments again.
if you remove evolution, survival will be impossible except there are chemical means to produce water. In absence of any chemical means to produce water, we would all die out.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by obinna58(m): 7:42pm On Sep 07
bennyann:
Would humans exist without water?

Maybe another set of species that can adapt to an earth without water.

This thread would be interesting cheesy

Another set of species in God's image u mean grin
Simply say God will make it possible for human to survive without water
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by sonofluc1fer: 7:42pm On Sep 07
The Great Water meeting.

The men of the kingdom gathered under the great Iroko tree. They pondered how to make that which they needed to exist. Ponder they did, so critically and so deeply that they forgot they existed.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 7:43pm On Sep 07
johnydon22:


Your alternate reality is a contradiction to itself: If man and every life on earth never needed water to survive, how then did it occur that out of the blue man needs water?

If man needed water then man must have evolved with water therefore the planet man evolved from must have water but if man didn't need water at all to survive in the first place the whole notion of a sudden need for water defeats your own implication of critical thinking since the question itself fails in this stead.

I could show you a way to step out of the problem this question creates for you if you ask nicely... lol


I know you are struggling to break out from the box at the moment.

Stop looking at the problems.... Look for the solutions.

I said on this earth of mine there is no rain, no condensation and evaporation, no seas and all water bodies. Plants do not need water to survive but only man does.

I could have easily said man needs water to survive but plants do not in this my earth but I said the opposite.

How would we be able to sustain ourselves as many as we are on this earth assuming we never evolved the way we are told.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:45pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:


You are still confined to the box of evolution. Read my comments again.
butterflylion:

Again my question is based on an earth where we humans are the ones who have this need and also based on the assumption that we did not evolve from water sources yet need it.

Simple argumentative implications, how can you make statements without realising the implications of these statements on your own argument. The very statement that the assumption proposes man that did not evolve from water sources causes an implication that man evolved from non-water sources in this alternate reality

So try and understand argumentative positions and their implications because how ever you put it, your statement will invoke evolutionary process by implication - Well the bar is low, i would't expect you to understand any of this

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 7:45pm On Sep 07
Martinez19:
if you remove evolution, survival will be impossible except there are chemical means to produce water. In absence of any chemical means to produce water, we would all die out.


Can we easily create water in large scales for all 7 billion of earths population?
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Proudgorgeousga(f): 7:45pm On Sep 07
grin lol @Nkita thinking
sonofluc1fer:
Assume only man needs x to survive.
Imagine x doesn't exist.
How will man create x?

Na wa. Critical thinking, nkita thinking.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by AgentOfAllah: 7:45pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:



please stick to the thread. I created scenarios and an enabling environment for out of the box reasoning.

Asking about legs and flying donkeys and eliminating same environment or scenario is derailing this thread.
It's unfortunate you think I am eliminating an "enabling environment for out of the box reasoning". Is it possible to eliminate something that is non-existent?

The only thing you've succeeded in doing is create a scenario that disables any kind of reasoning, irrespective of which side of the box such a reasoning is intended to take place. My hypothetical was supposed to demonstrate as much! If you can't give an intelligent answer to it, how is it you expect people to give intelligent answers to problems within an imagined universe you've created whose laws are as nebulous as those of a universe that allows 10-legged-boy-eating flying donkeys to exist.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:47pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:



I know you are struggling to break out from the box at the moment.

Stop looking at the problems.... Look for the solutions.

I said on this earth of mine there is no rain, no condensation and evaporation, no seas and all water bodies. Plants do not need water to survive but only man does.

I could have easily said man needs water to survive but plants do not in this my earth but I said the opposite.

How would we be able to sustain ourselves as many as we are on this earth assuming we never evolved the way we are told.

I think you are the one struggling to clutch on to an already destroyed premise ... grin grin grin grin Anyway here is more mathematical problems for you
sonofluc1fer:
Assume only man needs x to survive.
Imagine x doesn't exist.
How will man create x?

Na wa. Critical thinking, nkita thinking.
grin

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 7:48pm On Sep 07
johnydon22:



Simple argumentative implications, how can you make statements without realising the implications of these statements on your own argument. The very statement that the assumption proposes man that did not evolve from water sources causes an implication that man evolved from non-water sources in this alternate reality

So try and understand argumentative positions and their implications because how ever you put it, your statement will invoke evolutionary process by implication - Well the bar is low, i would't expect you to understand any of this


You are still confined to evolution when I have repeatedly said PUTTING ASIDE ALL WE KNOW ABOUT EVOLUTION.

I Am not coming from the angle of evolution my dear. Break free from that for a moment maybe then you would level out.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:48pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:



Can we easily create water in large scales for all 7 billion of earths population?
7 billion people that somehow didn't need water until they got to that number then suddenly needed water...!!!!



This is where critical thinking came to be buried ... cheesy cheesy cheesy

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Martinez19(m): 7:49pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:


you are still behind with the updated information I provided so saying stylishly that I am not intelligent is welcome.

Put all you know about evolution aside.

Man being made up of 50% water does not mean we must need water (follow my train of thought)

Even if we do need water but we came to the scene not via evolution ( according to my angle on this thread). So how would we sustain ourselves without any water source on earth?

follow your chain of thought? You wan give person psychosis? A rational mind cannot be subjected to irrationality.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 7:50pm On Sep 07
AgentOfAllah:

It's unfortunate you think I am eliminating an "enabling environment for out of the box reasoning". Is it possible to eliminate something that is non-existent?

The only thing you've succeeded in doing is create a scenario that disables any kind of reasoning, irrespective of which side of the box such a reasoning is intended to take place. My hypothetical was supposed to demonstrate as much! If you can't give an intelligent answer to it, how is it you expect people to give intelligent answers to problems within an imagined universe you've created whose laws are as nebulous as those of a universe that allows 10-legged-boy-eating flying donkeys to exist.


my universe does not follow the laws you know. My universe does not subscribe to mans evolutionary process as declared scientifically (that is the foundation of my Question) I have been emphasising on putting evolution aside. Can nobody here reason outside their confined boxes?
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:50pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:



You are still confined to evolution when I have repeatedly said PUTTING ASIDE ALL WE KNOW ABOUT EVOLUTION.

I Am not coming from the angle of evolution my dear. Break free from that for a moment maybe then you would level out.

Argumentative implications my friend, simple implications - you don't even grasp your own problems
AgentOfAllah:


The only thing you've succeeded in doing is create a scenario that disables any kind of reasoning, irrespective of which side of the box such a reasoning is intended to take place. My hypothetical was supposed to demonstrate as much! If you can't give an intelligent answer to it, how is it you expect people to give intelligent answers to problems within an imagined universe you've created whose laws are as nebulous as those of a universe that allows 10-legged-boy-eating flying donkeys to exist.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 7:52pm On Sep 07
johnydon22:
7 billion people that somehow didn't need water until they got to that number then suddenly needed water...!!!!



This is where critical thinking came to be buried ... cheesy cheesy cheesy

I have asked that you look away from the problems. You keep doing that by default.

Look at the solutions. It's not about the number or how they got to that but the fact that they are there and need this which they cannot give themselves in the quantity they would need to thrive.

Look away from the problem grin
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:53pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:



my universe does not follow the laws you know. My universe does not subscribe to mans evolutionary process as declared scientifically (that is the foundation of my Question) I have been emphasising on putting evolution aside. Can nobody here reason outside their confined boxes?

perfectly suitable reply to this is this one
AgentOfAllah:


The only thing you've succeeded in doing is create a scenario that disables any kind of reasoning, irrespective of which side of the box such a reasoning is intended to take place. My hypothetical was supposed to demonstrate as much! If you can't give an intelligent answer to it, how is it you expect people to give intelligent answers to problems within an imagined universe you've created whose laws are as nebulous as those of a universe that allows 10-legged-boy-eating flying donkeys to exist.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Martinez19(m): 7:53pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:



Can we easily create water in large scales for all 7 billion of earths population?
I don't think so(though I stand to be corrected).
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 7:55pm On Sep 07
johnydon22:


perfectly suitable reply to this is this one


You are set on auto pilot I can see. So I will stop asking that you look away from the problem.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:56pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:


I have asked that you look away from the problems. You keep doing that by default.

Look at the solutions. It's not about the number or how they got to that but the fact that they are there and need this which they cannot give themselves in the quantity they would need to thrive.

Look away from the problem grin
now you have agreed there was a problem with your question which then leads back to my first reply grin grin the problems are paradoxical therefore invalidates the premise of the argument thus the need for you to review your question and please critically think about the question you wish to ask next time.

you are asking for critical thinking for questions that doesn't measure up to critical thinking .. haaaaaaaa!!! cheesy cheesy

So let's hear what next you've got

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by bennyann: 7:57pm On Sep 07
sonofluc1fer:
Assume only man needs x to survive.
Imagine x doesn't exist.
How will man create x?

Na wa. Critical thinking, nkita thinking.

I like the way you've structured it grin

It would be easier if anyone can tell of any element we never evolved with but we needed it as time goes on and with science we were able to create that particular element. Now, is there anything like that so far, no matter how minute or unimportant?

Maybe we should just skip to a direct question like how can water be created in large quantity for continuous use to satisfy an unlimited need of a particular specie in a waterless world?

I'm sure the op knows what he's talking about and where he's driving at though.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 7:58pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:



You are set on auto pilot I can see. So I will stop asking that you look away from the problem.
gbosaaaa the question has a problem you have agreed.. my work is done, i'm glad you did yourself.


well done bro, well done!!! grin grin grin

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by sonofluc1fer: 7:58pm On Sep 07
butterflylion:

my universe does not follow the laws you know.
Indeed. It follows no laws. Critical thinking requires a few rules and guidelines.

butterflylion:

My universe does not subscribe to mans evolutionary process as declared scientifically (that is the foundation of my Question) I have been emphasising on putting evolution aside.
We have. The problem is you put thinking aside too.

butterflylion:

Can nobody here reason outside their confined boxes?
We can. The problem is your box looks like a coffin.


A coffin for all that logic holds dear.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 8:00pm On Sep 07
johnydon22:
now you have agreed there was a problem with your question which then leads back to my first reply grin grin the problems are paradoxical therefore invalidates the premise of the argument thus the need for you to review your question and please critically think about the question you wish to ask next time.

you are asking for critical thinking for questions that doesn't measure up to critical thinking .. haaaaaaaa!!! cheesy cheesy

So let's hear what next you've got


I see no problems with my question. My comment was to force you to stop talking about what you see. It's not about what you see theoretically.

There is a real practical problem in my world that needs a solution.

The simplest things cause the most headaches grin
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by johnydon22(m): 8:00pm On Sep 07
sonofluc1fer:

Indeed. It follows no laws. Critical thinking requires a few rules and guidelines.


We have. The problem is you put thinking aside too.


We can. The problem is your box looks like a coffin.


A coffin for all that logic holds dear.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by AgentOfAllah: 8:03pm On Sep 07
sonofluc1fer:

Indeed. It follows no laws. Critical thinking requires a few rules and guidelines.


We have. The problem is you put thinking aside too.


We can. The problem is your box looks like a coffin.


A coffin for all that logic holds dear.
Blood of Jesus!!! This guy, you're savage! grin grin

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by bennyann: 8:03pm On Sep 07
obinna58:


Another set of species in God's image u mean grin
Simply say God will make it possible for human to survive without water

grin

I'm trying to go the science way and you're taking me along the religious path. grin

Na wa o. Which one you want? sad
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 8:04pm On Sep 07
johnydon22:
gbosaaaa the question has a problem you have agreed.. my work is done, i'm glad you did yourself.


well done bro, well done!!! grin grin grin


I hope you have read my response which also refers to this.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Martinez19(m): 8:04pm On Sep 07
johnydon22:
now you have agreed there was a problem with your question which then leads back to my first reply grin grin the problems are paradoxical therefore invalidates the premise of the argument thus the need for you to review your question and please critically think about the question you wish to ask next time.

you are asking for critical thinking for questions that doesn't measure up to critical thinking .. haaaaaaaa!!! cheesy cheesy

So let's hear what next you've got
if you don't take it easy on these sheeples, they will run mental trying to comprehend your posts. Their brain tissues are too soft to receive conc. philosophy and science of this order. You must break it down bit by bit so that in their confusion they will not think you are saying jargons and start saying only a "... fool thinks there is no God."

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