Akin1212:


I think he just confessed to us that he knows nothing of this creator. He has been avoiding questions for over 24 hours.

If this creator is beyond his reasoning then how can he know him?

Because a puzzle is beyond your reasoning doesn't stop a more informed colleague in your office to help you out. Or you have never in your life asked for answers to things you are not sure of?

Are you a proud employee that would rather bungle a job rather than ask for directions? Someone then gives you directions and you reject it and bungle the job...does that make you a great employee?

frank317:


if i draw a circle, i can definitely identify the starting point... sorry i am not smart enough to relate how this answers my question. Can u help me out? i am lost.

Very good...you can identify the starting point because YOU CREATED IT... can another person identify the starting point of this circle?

Are we getting somewhere?

OkaiCorne:


If I tell you what I know, your feeble mind cannot carry it...so what is the point telling you.

This Eternal Creator has touched my intellect to better my life and also counsel others out of their personal challenges...and I will tell you that Science has no bloody explanation on the experience and encounters I've had.

If your belief in the absence of a Creator works for you...enjoy your life na...

But I can tell you that science has touched more lives than any of your imaginary creator can dream of. Ask Seun, Bill Gates, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, and much more.

Your eternal creator can fuck_ off, and while he does that, you can remind him to invent his own way of communication and stop using one created with science.

Akin1212:


But I can tell you that science has touched more lives than any of your imaginary creator can dream of. Ask Seun, Bill Gates, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, and much more.

Your eternal creator can Bleep off, and while he does that, you can remind him to invent his own way of communication and stop using one created with science.

If the Eternal Creator gotta bleep off...tell that to your Parents as well...now that you are all grown and independent

I love this microscopic mindset of yours...I guess everything that was done to advance Humanity were only done by atheists abi?

OkaiCorne:


Because a puzzle is beyond your reasoning doesn't stop a more informed colleague in your office to help you out. Or you have never in your life asked for answers to things you are not sure of?

Are you a proud employee that would rather bungle a job rather than ask for directions? Someone then gives you directions and you reject it and bungle the job...does that make you a great employee?

Ask someone who depends solely on 100% intuition and zero logic? You are sore loser, I swear.

OkaiCorne:


Very simple! Because it is beyond my level of understanding does not change it from becoming the TRUTH!

u cannot know if its the truth if its beyond ur level of understanding. Stop calling what u dont understand the truth. simply say u dont understand it. The Truth is, 'U DONT UNDERSTAND IT'

Did you know everything about life from the first day they gave birth to you?

No... and i dont go about calling things i dont know the truth.

Did you understand the whole TRUTH on life at a tender age?

Nope and I dont go about calling all these things that I dont understand the truth.

On the bolded part...do you know you need more than your five senses to know the TRUTH?

I need logic to know the truth... I need to be humble and apt in reasoning to know the truth. I dont base my truth on intuitions and assumptions.

Akin1212:


Ask someone who depends solely on 100% intuition and zero logic? You are sore loser, I swear.

Let an independent person(s) judge who the sore loser is between you and me

According to you...everything great on this planet came through the minds of Atheistic scientists right?

OkaiCorne:


If the Eternal Creator gotta bleep off...tell that to your Parents as well...now that you are all grown and independent

I love this microscopic mindset of yours...I guess everything that was done to advance Humanity were only done by atheists abi?

My parents are not to be compared with imaginary ghost friend. Maybe you parents are...

I think the concept of your creator fucking_ off really touched some nerves endings... Eyah, sorry ehn, I just didn't have a choice than to tell it to fuck_ off. There, I said it again.

frank317:

u cannot know if its the truth if its beyond ur level of understanding. Stop calling what u dont understand the truth. simply say u dont understand it. The Truth is, 'U DONT UNDERSTAND IT'


No... and i dont go about calling things i dont know the truth.


Nope and I dont go about calling all these things that I dont understand the truth.


I need logic to know the truth... I need to be humble and apt in reasoning to know the truth. I dont base my truth on intuitions and assumptions.

And you are absolutely correct. Relying on Intuition alone or logic alone is a faulty approach.

You need a healthy blend of both...

OkaiCorne:


But you knew you parents were your parents by intuition at first... and you were happy ...weren't you?

Intuition came first but logic later followed...

I think logic sets intuition straight. we will be misled if we have intuition without logic.

Akin1212:


My parents are not to be compared with imaginary ghost friend. Maybe you parents are...

I think the concept of your creator fucking_ off really touched some nerves endings... Eyah, sorry ehn, I just didn't have a choice than to tell it to fuck_ off. There, I said it again.

But your parents are the source of your existence...just as an Eternal Creator is the source of the Universe...

do you really want to display your scientific wisdom to Nairalanders again?

OkaiCorne:


Let an independent person(s) judge who the sore loser is between you and me

According to you...everything great on this planet came through the minds of Atheistic scientists right?

Don't cry, but most importantly, don't assume. If you have seen a post where I said all things were created by atheistic scientists, quote it and let's.

But at least, science was used and the name of the creator was not used to invent anything.

I think science has bruised your creator's ego.

frank317:


I think logic sets intuition straight. we will be misled if we have intuition without logic.

I guess you understand why we need a healthy blend of both.

Imagine intuition as water and logic as the bottle. That is what I have been trying to tell your other friend about...but I guess he is a LOST CAUSE.

Akin1212:

Don't cry, but most importantly, don't assume. If you have seen a post where I said all things were created by atheistic scientists, quote it and let's.

But at least, science was used and the name of the creator was not used to invent anything.

I think science has bruised your creator's ego.

Call out a religious scientists in the last ones you just mentioned.

I guess Seun is a Christian? or Zuckerberg is a Buhddist?

Akin1212:


Frank 3 Gbosas for you for that question.

CAN YOU SEE HIS SHALLOW ANSWER?

LET ME BREAK HIS HEART NOW, WHEN YOU WERE BORN, THERE WERE TRUTHS AND THERE WERE LIES. YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS TRUE AND WHAT WAS A LIE. SO, SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THE ANALOGY AS YOU HAVE BEEN BRINGING UNRELATED ANALOGIES, YOU CANNOT KNOW WHAT IS TRUE IF IT IS BEYOND YOUR REASONING. IT MAY BE TRUE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW. WHICH MEANS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. NO WONDER.

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG

One simple question...how did you know your parents before the logic part of your brain developed?

OkaiCorne:


Very good...you can identify the starting point because YOU CREATED IT... can another person identify the starting point of this circle?

Are we getting somewhere?

No, someone else cannot identify the starting point and when he is asked he should simply say he does not know the starting point instead of saying ridiculous statements like.."I dont know the starting point but i am sure is has a starting point"... Duh thats answers nothing. or say that "I dont know the starting point but i am sure it was started by someone, i guess that someone is Akin (when in reality Frank drew it).

OkaiCorne:


I guess you understand why we need a healthy blend of both.

Imagine intuition as water and logic as the bottle. That is what I have been trying to tell your other friend about...but I guess he is a LOST CAUSE.

You see why I said earlier that your reasoning is faulty, it's sad you can't see it.

You don't need intuition when you have logic. It's people without logic that use intuition, and of course, people like you.

Good reasoning is expensive though.

OkaiCorne:


And you are absolutely correct. Relying on Intuition alone or logic alone is a faulty approach.

You need a healthy blend of both...

so how does this answer the question on how u got to know the creator is one person?

frank317:


No, someone else cannot identify the starting point and when he is asked he should simply say he does not know the starting point instead of saying ridiculous statements like.."I dont know the starting point but i am sure is has a starting point"... Duh thats answers nothing. or say that "I dont know the starting point but i am sure it was started by someone, i guess that someone is Akin (when in reality Frank drew it).

The Eternal Creator designed things as we know on the principle of Circle/Cycles...if you observe time on a larger scale...events are cyclical and not linear.

Can you identify the starting point of this Universal Cycle where the Creator resides?

Do you recall on this thread and another thread where I categorically stated that I DO NOT KNOW IT ALL?? and I am on a journey to understanding this TRUTH wholly?

Do you want me to quote the thread here?

OkaiCorne:


But your parents are the source of your existence...just as an Eternal Creator is the source of the Universe...

do you really want to display your scientific wisdom to Nairalanders again?

what is AN EXTERNAL CREATOR?

how did u arrive that this creator is external and is just one being?

frank317:


what is AN EXTERNAL CREATOR?

how did u arrive that this creator is external and is just one being?

You are asking me this question again? Stimulate your intuition and find out the answer. I am tired of repeating myself...

OkaiCorne:


I guess you understand why we need a healthy blend of both.

Imagine intuition as water and logic as the bottle. That is what I have been trying to tell your other friend about...but I guess he is a LOST CAUSE.

what has intuition thought u about this creator?

frank317:


what has intuition thought u about this creator?

A lot...but in summary...

The answers to the most complex things in life are usually in the most basic things. The more you understand the basics...the more you can handle advanced matters. It is a paradox that works out well...

Frank317...it is better you have a personal experience...afterall, evidence is more persuasive when you experience it rather than[i] make inquiries...[/i]

OkaiCorne:


The Eternal Creator designed things as we know on the principle of Circle/Cycles...if you observe time on a larger scale...events are cyclical and not linear.

how did u know that there is an external creator? what if this universe has just always existed? what if that an many creator balls? why assume AN EXTERNAL CREATOR when in reality, u dont know?

Can you identify the starting point of this Universal Cycle where the Creator resides?

NO... I am not even sure the universe has a starting point... I am not sure there is a creator that resides anywhere... i simply know nothing about the begining of the universe.

Do you recall on this thread and another thread where I categorically stated that I DO NOT KNOW IT ALL?? and I am on a journey to understanding this TRUTH wholly?

u actually really knows nothing... u dont even know the route to this ur journey of truth. this is what i want u to accept.

Do you want me to quote the thread here?

no need...

frank317:

how did u know that there is an external creator? what if this universe has just always existed? what if that an many creator balls? why assume AN EXTERNAL CREATOR when in reality, u dont know?


NO... I am not even sure the universe has a starting point... I am not sure there is a creator that resides anywhere... i simply know nothing about the begining of the universe.


u actually really knows nothing... u dont even know the route to this ur journey of truth. this is what i want u to accept.


no need...

Bros I agree with you, I don't know anything...You that knows something, please teach me. I want to learn na. Abi na Science you wan use teach me?

From infancy...how did you know your parents were your parents...was it Intuition or Logic? which one came first?

If I have given countless examples at basic level that no one can exist without a creator...why is it difficult to accept this at a higher level?

Una Atheists ehn...

OkaiCorne:


You are asking me this question again? Stimulate your intuition and find out the answer. I am tired of repeating myself...

YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION

stop going in circles... i am much more intelligent than u assume. When i see the answer to my question i will know it.

OkaiCorne:


A lot...but in summary...

The answers to the most complex things in life are usually in the most basic things. The more you understand the basics...the more you can handle advanced matters. It is a paradox that works out well...

Frank317...it is better you have a personal experience...afterall, evidence is more persuasive when you experience it rather than[i] make inquiries...[/i]

do u realize that u didnt just answer my question?

let me repeat the question in case it was lost on u..
what did this intuition of urs tell u about the so called creator u so much believe in

u claim u know nothing... but u act like u know it all

frank317:


YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION

stop going in circles... i am much more intelligent than u assume. When i see the answer to my question i will know it.

If you are really intelligent...why can't you arrive at a conclusion from the basic examples I gave you an extrapolate this on a larger scale?

Does life have a pattern or is it haphazard...is nature and the Universe we live in no longer guided by rules and patterns and systems?

frank317:


do u realize that u didnt just answer my question?

let me repeat the question in case it was lost on u..
what did this intuition of urs tell u about the so called creator u so much believe in

u claim u know nothing... but u act like u know it all

There you go again...this would be the third thread I would be correcting this false impression of yours...

Do you really want me to bring links to the previous threads here?

OkaiCorne:


Bros I agree with you, I don't know anything...You that knows something, please teach me. I want to learn na. Abi na Science you wan use teach me?

From infancy...how did you know your parents were your parents...was it Intuition or Logic? which one came first?

If I have given countless examples at basic level that no one can exist without a creator...why is it difficult to accept this at a higher level?

Una Atheists ehn...

I know my parents are my parents from learning... I live with them, they love me enough, they look like me, they care for me, i act like them, i belong to their family, they act like other parents, I have learnt what being a parent is and they are a good example.

again how does this answer the question on how u got to know the creator is one being?

frank317:


I know my parents are my parents from learning... I live with them, they love me enough, they look like me, they care for me, i act like them, i belong to their family, they act like other parents, I have learnt what being a parent is and they are a good example.

again how does this answer the question on how u got to know the creator is one being?

I am trying to explain how your instincts (gut feeling) can lead you to the correct answer before your logic catches up to confirm it.

When you were a baby...did you use your instincts or logic to know your parents were your parents?

I guess you are trying to correct over 5 billion people in the world that their instincts are wrong in believing there is an Eternal Creator right?

Keep it up...you guys will go far.

OkaiCorne:


If you are really intelligent...why can't you arrive at a conclusion from the basic examples I gave you an extrapolate this on a larger scale?

Does life have a pattern or is it haphazard...is nature and the Universe we live in no longer guided by rules and patterns and systems?

I want to be honest and no insult intended... I think u are so unintelligent to realize that ur examples do not answer the question... u are carried away by what u think u know when in reality u know nothing... i am really sorry for u.