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Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 10:40am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


In fact, I am not going to answer your questions directly until you answer mine directly.

So, since you want to play cunny as your new tactics, let's play.

I have told you everything you need about energy
I have told you about the conversions and interactions
So, since yourself confessed you've learnt a great deal from that, connect the dots with energy concerning your questions. After all, you have a PHD. grin

So you wan park bus draw match like Mourinho abi? grin

Let's connect the dots on energy... If Energy is the HOE needed to cultivate the farm, is there not a FARMER needed to make the HOE do its work?

Can the HOE cultivate the farm on its own?

I am taking you back to the basics...so let's build up from here.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 10:43am On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


But you sir that does not reek of ignorance...please enlighten me on how illiterates in the Amazon forest instinctively knows all the sexual styles on planet earth without watching a Porn Clip or attend Reproduction class on Biology?

I agree with you o, I am IGNORANT, but please use Science to explain the questions I asked you.

Thank you sir...the man that knows it all through SCIENCE ALONE... I await your answers sir while you consult the same google that will confuse you further.

LoL, don't be frustrated oga, you started it. You don't learn sex styles from porn or in biology. You can invent it and what you invented might be what another person is doing elsewhere. That being settled, look below.
Illiteracy is not the inability to know sex styles, it's the inability to read and write. Keep exposing that ignorance I talked about.

CONTINUE READING...

Please, how dare you tell me to answer your questions? Do you have a conscience at all? I did that on energy and since you have decide to bring out your cunny ways, let's do it your way.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 10:44am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


LoL, don't be frustrated oga, you started it. You don't learn sex styles from porn or in biology. You can invent it and what you invented might be what another person is doing elsewhere. That being settled, look below.
Illiteracy is not the inability to know sex styles, it's the inability to read and write. Keep exposing that ignorance I talked about.

CONTINUE READING...

Please, how dare you tell me to answer your questions? Do you have a conscience at all? I did that on energy and since you have decide to bring out your cunny ways, let's do it your way.

My brother, stop acting like a caveman in the era of the internet.

So Illiteracy is just about inability to read and write? Continue...we are looking at you
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 10:45am On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


So you wan park bus draw match like Mourinho abi? grin

Let's connect the dots on energy... If Energy is the HOE needed to cultivate the farm, is there not a FARMER needed to make the HOE do its work?

Can the HOE cultivate the farm on its own?

I am taking you back to the basics...so let's build up from here.

See the bolded up there, I'm sure I did not see that. I am only playing your game of connecting dots. You want a direct answer, give one yourself. But you can't give what you don't have can you? That's the logic, always true and better than intuition.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 10:52am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


See the bolded up there, I'm sure I did not see that. I am only playing your game of connecting dots. You want a direct answer, give one yourself. But you can't give what you don't have can you? That's the logic, always true and better than intuition.

So I have to feed a grown up man with direct answers...it's fine then. Let us bet on something...all my indirect answers points to a direct answer I want you to conclude on.

But I can bet on my grave that if I give you the direct answers it is not going to change any single thing about your mindset.

I am stimulating your intuitive reasoning with all the countless analogies I've given you but...you have clearly demonstrated to us that it is possible to solve Furthermaths without knowledge of arithmetics.

We the great people of Nairaland, bow in awe of your scientifically driven wisdom.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 10:52am On Nov 06, 2017
I will help you with the answers to these questions, and I will make it understandable to a layman like you.
Can Science give me a direct answer as to why a yawn can be contagious?

Can Science explain how endorphins are generated through laughter?

Can science explains why certain birds arrange themselves instinct-wise in a "V" formation while migrating?

But first, first come, first serve. That's logic again.

Who created the planes of existence and for what purpose?

What caused the disruption of the planes of existence?

If it was our ancestors, what exactly did they do to disrupt it?

Answer these, then we continue.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 10:54am On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


So I have to feed a grown up man with direct answers...it's fine then. Let us bet on something...all my indirect answers points to a direct answer I want you to conclude on.

But I can bet on my grave that if I give you the direct answers it is not going to change any single thing about your mindset.

I am stimulating your intuitive reasoning with all the countless analogies I've given you but...you have clearly demonstrated to us that it is possible to solve Furthermaths without knowledge of arithmetics.

We the great people of Nairaland, bow in awe of your scientifically driven wisdom.

Just answer the questions and quit typing epistles, nobody is pitying you, they are probably laughing at you now and awaits your Bleep up. grin
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 10:54am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:
I will help you with the answers to these questions, and I will make it understandable to a layman like you.
Can Science give me a direct answer as to why a yawn can be contagious?

Can Science explain how endorphins are generated through laughter?

Can science explains why certain birds arrange themselves instinct-wise in a "V" formation while migrating?

But first, first come, first serve. That's logic again.

Who created the planes of existence and for what purpose?

What caused the disruption of the planes of existence?

If it was our ancestors, what exactly did they do to disrupt it?

Answer these, then we continue.

Did the Buhari example and the Council of Nicaea example make any sense to you before I continue further?
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 10:55am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


Just answer the questions and quit typing epistles, nobody is pitying you, they are probably laughing at you now. grin

But you haven't made any sense of my previous replies...what difference would my answer on this particular question do to someone who is unwilling to see beyond science and his five senses?

If truly I am talking trash, you would have found a way to dismiss me being the wise atheist that you are...but I guess you are still curious asking more questions.

Your reply to this post will let me know your motive once and for all...
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 10:55am On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


Did the Buhari example and the Council of Nicaea example make any sense to you before I continue further?


Oga, answer the questions directly. Don't bring any example. Answer the questions directly, feed me if that's how you want it to look.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 10:56am On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


But you haven't made any sense of my previous replies...what difference would my answer on this particular question do to someone who is unwilling to see beyond science and his five senses?

Are you feeling threatened now? grin cheesy
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 10:58am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


Are you feeling threatened now? grin cheesy

What shall it profit a man with a closed mindset to open a thread and ask questions on a matter he has concluded on in his mind? undecided

If you are not willing to learn anything outside your comfort zone...why all this stress? undecided
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:00am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


Oga, answer the questions directly. Don't bring any example. Answer the questions directly, feed me if that's how you want it to look.

Its confirmed that atheists are limited to only;

1) Direct answers,

2) Their five senses and;

3) The slow moving train of science.

Bros anything I tell you beyond all these, your mind cannot take it.

I got a client to handle...see you later today. I am really enjoying this game.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 11:00am On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


What shall it profit a man with a closed mindset to open a thread and ask questions on a matter he has concluded on in his mind? undecided

If you are not willing to learn anything outside your comfort zone...why all this stress? undecided

And is this the answer to the questions below?

Who created the planes of existence and for what purpose?

What caused the disruption of the planes of existence?

If it was our ancestors, what exactly did they do to disrupt it?
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:02am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


And is this the answer to the questions below?

Who created the planes of existence and for what purpose?

What caused the disruption of the planes of existence?

If it was our ancestors, what exactly did they do to disrupt it?

I thought I have answered the bolded...or did a combination of your 5 senses not pick it in a previous post? undecided
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 11:06am On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


I thought I have answered the bolded...or did a combination of your 5 senses not pick it in a previous post? undecided

So, you even know the ones you have answered. grin

Now I know you are conscious of your cunningness. Well, you will have to answer it again and if you're not willing just answer the rest and skip it.

Who created the planes of existence and for what purpose?

What caused the disruption of the planes of existence?

If it was our ancestors, what exactly did they do to disrupt it?
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:09am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212 this our discussion seems to be taking us nowhere. Can we at least focus on how Humanity can be better of whether there is a Creator or Not?

My points of view doesn't make sense to you , neither does yours appeal to me. But that cannot stop me from working with you on making the world a better place.

An atheist that improves Humanity is better than a religious person or a person with my own outlook to life who cannot do any single thing to better Humanity.

I am more concerned with improving Humanity than all these fruitless arguments.

Can we move on to our activities today and come back in the evening to discuss something more important. I don't know about you, but honestly I am already BORED with this discussion.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 11:11am On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


Its confirmed that atheists are limited to only;

1) Direct answers,

2) Their five senses and;

3) The slow moving train of science.

Bros anything I tell you beyond all these, your mind cannot take it.

I got a client to handle...see you later today. I am really enjoying this game.
Yes. I particularly. I am limited to Direct and logical answers, my five senses and Science.

But you, on the other hand, you are unlimited to indirect answers, your pseudoscience senses, and your beliefs. Keep it up, I am sure you reached your conclusion on "all atheists" based on intuition.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:11am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:

Yes. I particularly. I am limited to Direct and logical answers, my five senses and Science.

But you, on the other hand, you are unlimited to indirect answers, your pseudoscience senses, and your beliefs. Keep it up

I am BORED and TIRED, can we shift to something more useful than this?

I just think it's better to have unlimited options as long as you can use each of them effectively.

If you are efficient with the limited options you have...good and well. Just make progress that is what counts. And that is where religion has a little challenge I hope can be resolved as well.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 11:14am On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


I am BORED and TIRED, can we shift to something more useful than this?


Yes sure, the answers to these questions will spring up tangible points. I know you're scared but don't worry you don't have to accept anything I say. But people will see your ass in the open though.

Who created the planes of existence and for what purpose?

What caused the disruption of the planes of existence?

If it was our ancestors, what exactly did they do to disrupt it?
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:16am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


Yes sure, the answers to these questions will spring up tangible points. I know you're scared but don't worry you don't have to accept anything I say. But people will see your ass in the open though.

Who created the planes of existence and for what purpose?

What caused the disruption of the planes of existence?

If it was our ancestors, what exactly did they do to disrupt it?

Did you use science or instinct to know whether I am scared? undecided I AM BORED AND TIRED! Take it or leave it!
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 11:21am On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


Did you use science or instinct to know whether I am scared? undecided I AM BORED AND TIRED! Take it or leave it!

I used logic, you don't have it.

If you're not scared, why have you been avoiding the questions since yesterday?
When you're close to answering, the fear sets in and you withdraw again.
The time you have wasted dancing around would have been more than enough to answer these questions.

Just 3 lines of questions. That's where the truth lies. I dare you to answer them
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by waldigit: 11:52am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:
I am an atheist and I have asked a ton of Christians and Muslims, the children and slaves of Jehova and Allah these two questions. The wonder is that the first question's answer always raise the second question and they go mute. Answer it if you can but intelligently, but if you are stupid and you like e-war, I'm also at home for you.

1. Why can't God just kill Satan and everything will go back to normal, after all, he created him, so he should know how to kill him.

Their typical answer is always - God, either one, is a just God and he must follow due process.

And then the second question pops up

2. Can God do and undo and is he unquestionable?


If God can do and undo and is unquestionable, then the law can't hold him or question him.
If the law can question him, then he cannot do and undo and he is questionable. It's a simple logic

If you can answer this, and I can't come up with questions anymore, then I'm your convert.

You know what is amazing about you is that you use your sense that you designed, created and input in your skull to raise the questions above and those question help you conclude that there is no God.
Then it will be most amazing if you can use this same sense to settle all your life problems and be happy ever after.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:53am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


I used logic, you don't have it.

If you're not scared, why have you been avoiding the questions since yesterday?
When you're close to answering, the fear sets in and you withdraw again.
The time you have wasted dancing around would have been more than enough to answer these questions.

Just 3 lines of questions. That's where the truth lies. I dare you to answer them

Stop throwing tantrums. I know you will eventually grow up and understand all the clues I've given you as it appears your mind isn't yet mature.

Basic clues I gave you, you said I'm dribbling you.

I don't roll around with people who feels they know it all based on the little they know. I prefer people who are truly open to learning more. Or are you indirectly telling us you haven't learnt much in the past few years?

Why are you desperate for an answer to this last set of questions when you can't understand the basic clues I gave you?

Why do you want to know Further Math when you don't know arithmetics?
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 11:56am On Nov 06, 2017
waldigit:


You know what is amazing about you is that you use your sense that you designed, created and input in your skull to raise the questions above and those question help you conclude that there is no God.
Then it will be most amazing if you can use this same sense to settle all your life problems and be happy ever after.

You're absolutely correct, I am using my sense to pave ways for myself. I don't have any life problems and if any comes up, I will also deal with it with my sense.

At least, I am better than those who don't use their senses to solve their life problems but probably run to a god who doesn't ultimately help either.

So, what exactly is your point?
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:59am On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


You're absolutely correct, I am using my sense to pave ways for myself. I don't have any life problems and if any comes up, I will also deal with it with my sense.

At least, I am better than those who don't use their senses to solve their life problems but probably run to a god who doesn't ultimately help either.

So, what exactly is your point?

Calm down...I want to assure you that you are on the right track. I once flirted with atheism.

This is the path you are on;

RELIGION ------> ATHEISM/AGNOSTICISM----->ENLIGHTENMENT.


I am only concerned because, I don't want you to get stuck where you are currently with your 5 senses, Logic and Science alone.

Compare what you know today to what you knew 5 years ago. You made progress because you want to know, but don't fall for the trap that what you know currently is ALL THERE IS TO LIFE.

Imagine how you will develop 10 years from now?
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(m): 12:01pm On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


Stop throwing tantrums. I know you will eventually grow up and understand all the clues I've given you as it appears your mind isn't yet mature.

Basic clues I gave you, you said I'm dribbling you.

I don't roll around with people who feels they know it all based on the little they know. I prefer people who are truly open to learning more. Or are you indirectly telling us you haven't learnt much in the past few years?

Why are you desperate for an answer to this last set of questions when you can't understand the basic clues I gave you?

Why do you want to know Further Math when you don't know arithmetics?

Okay, for the sake of the discussion and your ego, my mind is not mature, I agree. But please answer the questions if you're not scared of the aftermath.
When you questioned me about Energy, did I give you clues? Why can't you reciprocate my kind gestures?
I am not an island of knowledge, that's why I am asking you questions. Why are you shy to answer them?
Give me the further maths if you're not scared of messing up.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 12:03pm On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


Okay, for the sake of the discussion and your ego, my mind is not mature, I agree. But please answer the questions if you're not scared of the aftermath.
When you questioned me about Energy, did I give you clues? Why can't you reciprocate my kind gestures?
I am not an island of knowledge, that's why I am asking you questions. Why are you shy to answer them?
Give me the further maths if you're not scared of messing up.

Be honest before every nairalander here...can you demonstrate how the Arithmetics I gave you led to maths and furthermaths?

You admitted your mind is not mature. How can you handle Furthermaths if you are still struggling with Arithmetics? You will not understand me even if I tell you. You will still conclude that I am wrong with your level of understanding.
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 12:07pm On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


Okay, for the sake of the discussion and your ego, my mind is not mature, I agree. But please answer the questions if you're not scared of the aftermath.
When you questioned me about Energy, did I give you clues? Why can't you reciprocate my kind gestures?
I am not an island of knowledge, that's why I am asking you questions. Why are you shy to answer them?
Give me the further maths if you're not scared of messing up.

It seems what is more important to you is proving me wrong than you having an open mind to learn...everyother Nairalander can see that clearly from your previous posts.

For the records...even if I am a PhD holder, it does not mean that I know everything...what is more important is having an open mind to learn...remove all the restrictions placed on your mind so you can be enlightened.

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Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Nobody: 12:08pm On Nov 06, 2017
Akin1212:


What was the testing for exactly? God wasn't sure Job was faithful or he cared so much about what Satan thinks and wanted to prove him wrong or he didn't see the future that Job would be faithful hence no need for the suffering or what?

God allowed his servant to suffer so he could show off to Satan. That's awesome. I thought God could see the end from the beginning. He knew Job would remain faithful, why let him suffer?

You people need to learn to see things from the reality point of view. All these pieces of evidence are proofs that God does not exist.

A proof that God does not exist? You are set on default, you see nothing but non existence. That doesn't portray you as an objective fellow.

Again, how did what I post show that God does not trust Job's integrity? Allowing someone to go and test Job to show the doubter that Job wholeheartedly serves God now shows that God doesn't trust Job's integrity? Common let's be honest dude. Will you be killed if you face the facts?
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 12:10pm On Nov 06, 2017
JMAN05:


A proof that God does not exist? You are set on default, you see nothing but non existence. That doesn't portray you as an objective fellow.

Again, how did what I post show that God does not trust Job's integrity? Allowing someone to go and test Job to show the doubter that Job wholeheartedly serves God now shows that God doesn't trust Job's integrity? Common let's be honest dude. Will you be killed if you face the facts?

Don't deal with the guy using a Bible...just common sense will do. I have given him countless examples...but it appears his mind is made up no matter what you tell him. Can someone with a microscopic mind like that learn anything?

I gave him an example of planes of existence using the thought process of a foremost global atheist Stephen Hawkins...bros no gree accept.

Common sense..bros no gree accept.

Sixth sense (Intuition) and how it works with logic...bros no gree accept.

Wetin I wan do again? undecided
Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Nobody: 12:13pm On Nov 06, 2017
OkaiCorne:


Don't deal with the guy using a Bible...just common sense will do. I have given him countless examples...but it appears his mind is made up no matter what you tell him.

And the funny thing is that they tink they are the ones being objective in a discussion while they are the ones oozing gaffe.

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