patches689:

The mutual defence pact says nothing about pirates, and if a nation wishes to invoke the Mutual Defence Act they must submit documentation to SADAC within 30 days before any members can act - thus it is a passive defence pact not an ACTIVE defence pact
http://www.issafrica.org/pubs/Books/ProspectsForASecurity05/AppendG.pdf

so in conclusion:

1. The attack was much closer to Nigeria than South Africa
2. South Africa has no responsibility to patrole Angolan waters

NOT TO MENTION THAT YOU CAPTURED THE SHIP OFF THE COAST OF NIGERIA

“Subsequent report from IMB on Jan. 25 located her about 50nm South West of Pennington Oil Terminal in Nigeria.
http://www.punchng.com/news/navy-intercepts-hijacked-greek-merchant-tanker/

As usual your argument is reliant on lies and mis-information

Nope, the fact that South Africa signed a SADC defense pact with Angola gives your big boasting Soweto mouth the responsibility to ensure security of the whole SADC region.

Thank you for posting the SADC defense agreement document/proof, I didn't have it before, thanks bros

The ship was found in West Africa after hijack inside Angolan waters because South African Valour Frigates and Submarines FAILED to catch it, your foolish navy has NO OPV in your west coast...ZERO force projection !

Welcome to the world of Piracy my dear South Africa, you are now part of the club
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MikeZA: From that map you can see Northern Angola is closer to Nigeria than Cape town.

patches689: A.rgument d.estroyed

Yes your own argument is d.estroyed by the fact that the piracy map you guys have been posting here is old and out-dated 2012 data, the new Angolan piracy recorded for your South Africa led SADC joint defense agreement region was in this new year 2014.

Again, South Africa is welcome to the club....a new piracy map of Africa 2014 will soon be drawn to replace the out-dated 2012 map below

Bwahahaha

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MikeZA: Nope,nuclear weapons are more of "deterrent weapons". Similar to Main battle tanks today.

You were caught lying again man. You've been exposed again. Trying to pass of a niger-delta, bayelsa state training exercise for the north-east.

AugustineAgain:

You prove your fake ICBM flew, you are the ones making claims, prove it !

First, its a ballistic missile.

Second:

The Jericho II is a solid fuel, two-stage long-range ballistic missile system. There was a series of test launches into the Mediterranean from 1987 to 1992, the longest at around 1,300 km, mostly from the facility at Palmachim, south of Tel Aviv. Jane's reports that a test launch of 1,400 km is believed to have taken place from South Africa's Overberg Test Range in June 1989.[8]

The RSA-3 was produced by the Houwteq (a discontinued division of Denel) company at Grabouw, 30 km east of Cape Town. Test launches were made from Overberg Test Range near Bredasdorp, 200 km east of Cape Town. Rooi Els was where the engine test facilities were located. Development continued even after South African renunciation[10] of its nuclear weapons for use as a commercial satellite launcher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(missile)

AugustineAgain:

Nope, the fact that South Africa signed a SADC defense pact with Angola gives your big boasting Soweto mouth the responsibility to ensure security of the whole SADC region.

Thank you for posting the SADC defense agreement document/proof, I didn't have it before, thanks bros

The ship was found in West Africa after hijack inside Angolan waters because South African Valour Frigates and Submarines FAILED to catch it, your foolish navy has NO OPV in your west coast...ZERO force projection !

Welcome to the world of Piracy my dear South Africa, you are now part of the club
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Again, it is a passive defence agreement - we have no responsibility to police their waters.

Second, there is not agreement that says we must police their waters

Third, the ship was captured in Nigerian waters - not in SADAC waters

There is ZERO piracy in South African waters. South Africa is not SADAC, we are only one of many many members

AugustineAgain:



Yes your own argument is d.estroyed by the fact that the piracy map you guys have been posting here is old and out-dated 2012 data, the new Angolan piracy recorded for your South Africa led SADC joint defense agreement region was in this new year 2014.

Again, South Africa is welcome to the club....a new piracy map of Africa 2014 will soon be drawn to replace the out-dated 2012 map below

Bwahahaha

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[size=15pt]You liar - these images are up to date 2014 images.[/size]
http://www.icc-ccs.org/piracy-reporting-centre/live-piracy-map


2 incidents of Piracy in THE WHOLE OF SADAC - ZERO attacks in South African, Mozambican or Namibian waters
11 in Nigerian waters alone!!

[size=15pt]Nigeria cannot even police its own waters!! Brown Water navy that cannot even operate in brown water [/size]

AugustineAgain:

Nope, the fact that South Africa signed a SADC defense pact with Angola gives your big boasting Soweto mouth the responsibility to ensure security of the whole SADC region.

Thank you for posting the SADC defense agreement document/proof, I didn't have it before, thanks bros

The ship was found in West Africa after hijack inside Angolan waters because South African Valour Frigates and Submarines FAILED to catch it, your foolish navy has NO OPV in your west coast...ZERO force projection !

Welcome to the world of Piracy my dear South Africa, you are now part of the club
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Nope, the fact that South Africa signed a SADC defense pact with Angola gives your big boasting Soweto mouth the responsibility to ensure security of the whole SADC region.

Show us where it says that
http://www.issafrica.org/pubs/Books/ProspectsForASecurity05/AppendG.pdf

making up lies doesnt help your argument

The ship was found in West Africa after hijack inside Angolan waters because South African Valour Frigates and Submarines FAILED to catch it, your foolish navy has NO OPV in your west coast...ZERO force projection !

If we wanted to we could have a Frigate, a sub and an OPV as well as maritime patrol aircraft there 24/7

But its not our responsibility, Angola has not asked us for help and thus we have no mandate to operate in their EEZ

[size=15pt]Nigeria is incapable of patroling its own waters - what does that say about your own force projection?[/size]

Henry120:

You were caught lying again man. You've been exposed again. Trying to pass of a niger-delta, bayelsa state training exercise for the north-east.

Need another geography lesson?

patches689:

First, its a ballistic missile.

Second:

The Jericho II is a solid fuel, two-stage long-range ballistic missile system. There was a series of test launches into the Mediterranean from 1987 to 1992, the longest at around 1,300 km, mostly from the facility at Palmachim, south of Tel Aviv. Jane's reports that a test launch of 1,400 km is believed to have taken place from South Africa's Overberg Test Range in June 1989.[8]

The RSA-3 was produced by the Houwteq (a discontinued division of Denel) company at Grabouw, 30 km east of Cape Town. Test launches were made from Overberg Test Range near Bredasdorp, 200 km east of Cape Town. Rooi Els was where the engine test facilities were located. Development continued even after South African renunciation[10] of its nuclear weapons for use as a commercial satellite launcher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(missile)

Are you s.ick ? You are posting Israel's Jericho ICBM, is South Africa and Israel the same country?

Believed to have been tested is NOT proved to have been tested

We too believe Epe missile in Nigeria has been tested to 120km range !

You must be s.ick....Mumu

#ShowUs Soweto ICBM Proved Tested

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patches689:

Need another geography lesson?

You need a lesson about humiliation?
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patches689:

Need another geography lesson?

You need another lesson about humiliation?
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AugustineAgain:

Are you s.ick ? You are posting Israel's ICBM, is South Africa and Israel the same country?

You must be s.ick....Mumu

#ShowUs Soweto ICBM

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lol

Are you too dense to connect the dots?

AugustineAgain:

You need a lesson about humiliation?
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Well, you Nigerians are the experts at being humiliated... how many towns does BH now hold? How many men ran into the hills?

Clown

patches689:

lol

Are you too dense to connect the dots?

There are no dots anywhere except that Israel is proved to have tested ICBM but no proof for South Africa ! FACT !

Are you s.ick ? You are posting Israel's Jericho ICBM, is South Africa and Israel the same country?

Believed to have been tested is NOT proved to have been tested

We too believe Epe missile in Nigeria has been tested to 120km range !

You must be s.ick....Mumu

#ShowUs Soweto ICBM Proved Tested

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[size=15pt]LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL [/size]

Embarrased GOC Orders Arrest Of Army Deserters

The General Officer commanding the 3rd Army Division in Jos, Major General JS Zaruwa was shocked to find so many soldiers roaming the streets of Michika in Adamawa State when he made a private visit to his home in the area.

The soldiers deserted Biita after Boko Haram militants returned to avenge a rout of their men a week ago.

Upon seeing the soldiers hanging out mostly around a brothel known as “BOLINGO” with their rifles slung around their shoulders, the army General invited Lt. Colonel BMG Martins, the commanding Officer of the Special Operations Battalion who also doubles as their commanding officer, to call them to order, or arrest them enmasse our source said.

Martins then ordered several unit commanders, to rein in the boys but an apparently unperturbed rank and file refused to take his orders.



SaharaReporters was told by an army team engaging in intelligence in the area that the issue of discipline, specifically the refusal of soldiers to listen to their superiors and unwarranted abandonment of fighting positions, have become a big concern to the authorities in Abuja.

The soldiers who were sacked from army posts in Biita and Izge-Damboa in Borno state by Boko Haram fighters have remained in Michika, refusing the order by the GOC to return to their posts.

Some of the soldiers said they will not return to the frontlines unless they are provided with adequate equipment to confidently confront Boko Haram.

According to the soldiers, the army has only one functioning armored tank in the entire area, the armored tank in deployed to guard Vimtin in Mubi local government of Adamawa State. Vimtin is the hometown of Air Vice Marshal Alex Badeh, Nigeria’s Chief of Defense Staff.
http://www.theparadigmng.com/?p=18981#

AugustineAgain:

There are no dots anywhere except that Israel is proved to have tested ICBM but no proof for South Africa ! FACT !

Are you s.ick ? You are posting Israel's Jericho ICBM, is South Africa and Israel the same country?

Believed to have been tested is NOT proved to have been tested

We too believe Epe missile in Nigeria has been tested to 120km range !

You must be s.ick....Mumu

#ShowUs Soweto ICBM Proved Tested

.

At this point you are simply making a fool of yourself.

Go do some reading on the topic and then get back to us.

AugustineAgain:

There are no dots anywhere except that Israel is proved to have tested ICBM but no proof for South Africa ! FACT !

Are you s.ick ? You are posting Israel's Jericho ICBM, is South Africa and Israel the same country?

Believed to have been tested is NOT proved to have been tested

We too believe Epe missile in Nigeria has been tested to 120km range !

You must be s.ick....Mumu

#ShowUs Soweto ICBM Proved Tested

.

And no, Nigeria has no such thing as the Epe... Nigerian scientists are too busy thinking about gays and playing with magnets

@Henry120

Here is something for you (i will be sure to continually re-post it)

[size=15pt]Boko Haram exploits Nigeria's slow military decline[/size]

Reuters) - Two decades ago Nigeria's military was seen as a force for stability across West Africa. Now it struggles to keep security within its own borders as an Islamist insurgency in the northeast kills thousands.

A lack of investment in training, failure to maintain equipmentand dwindling cooperation with Western forces has damaged Nigeria's armed services, while in Boko Haram they face an increasingly well-armed, determined foe.

The Nigerian military is a shadow of what it's reputed to have once been," said James Hall, a retired colonel and former British military attaché to Nigeria. "They've fallen apart."

Unlike Nigerian peacekeepers in the 1990s, who were effective in curbing ethnic bloodshed in Sierra Leone and Liberia, those in Mali last year lacked the equipment and training needed to be of much use in the fight against al Qaeda-linked forces, sources involved in that mission say.

Hall said the Nigerian peacekeepers had to buy pick-up trucks and their armor kept breaking down. They spent a lot of time o[b]n base or manning checkpoints.[/b]

The militants know the military's limitations. A police source said a fighter jet flew over the market town of Gamburu on Monday as a group of gunmen killed at least 125, but the killers didn't flinch, knowing they could not be targeted while scattered in a densely populated area.

LOW MORALE

Morale is also a problem, says a ground soldier deployed in the northeast who did not wish to be named.

He said the food was bad, sleeping conditions rough, very few people get the leave to which they are entitled, and they live in constant fear of Boko Haram attacks.

"There is just a kind of hopelessness hanging over us," he said.

The military isn't that short of money on paper. In 2014 security will swallow nearly 938 billion naira ($5.8 billion), a quarter of the federal budget. Of that, the defense ministry will take more than a third, but only 10 percent is for capital spending.

A government advisor says there was some evidence a few senior officers were pocketing money meant for equipment, so corruption may also be a factor in the shortfalls.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/09/us-nigeria-military-insight-idUSBREA4809220140509

patches689: @Henry120

Here is something for you (i will be sure to continually re-post it)

9

It goes both ways brother.


I would soon tear this post apart and you apart.

AugustineAgain:

You prove your fake ICBM flew, you are the ones making claims, prove it !

. fas.org/nuke/guide/rsa/missile/

After the Boko Haram issue, problems in Libya and Egypt etc, I will like to reorder the list of greatest armies as follows :

1) South Africa
2) Egypt
3)Ethiopia
4)Algeria
5)Morocco
6)Sudan
7) Kenya
8 ) Cameroon
9) Nigeria
10) Tanzania
11) Libya
12) Ghana
13) Uganda
14) Kenya

frosbel: After the Boko Haram issue, problems in Libya and Egypt etc, I will like to reorder the list of greatest armies as follows :

1) South Africa
2) Egypt
3)Ethiopia
4)Algeria
5)Morocco
6)Sudan
7) Kenya
8 ) Cameroon
9) Nigeria
10) Tanzania
11) Libya
12) Ghana
13) Uganda
14) Kenya

Your opinion is no longer relevant. Just in case you don't know, this is your south-africa.

frosbel:

"Unfortunately, the SANDF is already sitting with an array of expensive hardware that it cannot deploy, either because it lacks the skilled crews –" because it can’t afford the running costs."


"South Africa has the oldest infantry troops in the world"

"the 2012 Defence Review, says the SANDF is “critically deficient in the skill, motivation, and ethos that is required to operate"


The South African National Defence Force (SANDF), which should be saving lives, is becoming an "armed welfare service which is saving jobs,"


"We are spending too much on personnel, we are spending too little on operations and we are spending much too little on capital acquisition,"
This was evidenced by more than half the defence budget (R20.4 billion) going to personnel costs.


tated unambiguously that the SANDF was in a state of decline characterised by force imbalance between capabilities, ageing technology, and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems.



This, together with new equipment, training from the Americans and British, innovative technology and a careful collection of evidence is beginning to show results. But it is an uphill battle.


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http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/05/fighting-cape-town-s-notorious-gangs

Nigeria isn't the only country battling terrorism, the U.S has been battling terrorists for more than 20 years.

Russia, above 15 years
China
India, 20+ years
Turkey, 20+ years

Terrorism is a global problem.

Henry120:

Your opinion is no longer relevant. Just in case you don't know, this is your south-africa.


Nigeria isn't the only country battling terrorism, the U.S has been battling terrorists for more than 20 years.

Russia, above 15 years
China
India, 20+ years
Turkey, 20+ years

Terrorism is a global problem.

but nigeria is the only country where terrorists have identifiable territroy

AugustineAgain:

Nope, the fact that South Africa signed a SADC defense pact with Angola gives your big boasting Soweto mouth the responsibility to ensure security of the whole SADC region.

Thank you for posting the SADC defense agreement document/proof, I didn't have it before, thanks bros

The ship was found in West Africa after hijack inside Angolan waters because South African Valour Frigates and Submarines FAILED to catch it, your foolish navy has NO OPV in your west coast...ZERO force projection !

Welcome to the world of Piracy my dear South Africa, you are now part of the club
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ANGOLANS ARE NOT AS CRAZY AS YOU ARE. LASTLY ANGOLA IS NOT SOUTH AFRICA.

patches689:

but nigeria is the only country where terrorists have identifiable territroy

Operations are currently on going. Margaret thachter lost her entire cabinet in a hotel bombing by the IRA, and she only escaped assassination by her whiskers.

60 percent of the countries I listed have passed through this same situation as nigeria.

Henry120:

Your opinion is no longer relevant. Just in case you don't know, this is your south-africa.


Nigeria isn't the only country battling terrorism, the U.S has been battling terrorists for more than 20 years.

Russia, above 15 years
China
India, 20+ years
Turkey, 20+ years

Terrorism is a global problem.

BH has embarrassed your military in combat many times and holds territory.

MikeZA: BH has embarrassed your military in combat many times and holds territory.

You connived with the terrorists. You posted the terrorist videos. You helped the terrorists spread their propaganda.

In the terrorist video you joyfully posted on nairaland, 8 troops tops were over-ran by over 300 terrorists armed with 14.5mm, 50 calibers, PKM's and RPG's.

It is conflict.

The british had to beg the taliban for safe passage after they were over-ran in helmand province, afghanistan.


The terrorists you spread their propaganda on nairaland have and continue to feel the wrath of the nigerian military even into chad, niger and cameroun.


Nigeria is battling insurgents from mali-algeria - CAR (your SANDF ran away from).

Henry120:
You connived with the terrorists. You posted the terrorist videos. You helped the terrorists spread their propaganda.
In the terrorist video you joyfully posted on nairaland, 8 troops tops were over-ran by over 300 terrorists armed with 14.5mm, 50 calibers, PKM's and RPG's.
It is conflict.
The british had to beg the taliban for safe passage after they were over-ran in helmand province, afghanistan.
The terrorists you spread their propaganda on nairaland have and continue to feel the wrath of the nigerian military even into chad, niger and cameroun.
Nigeria is battling insurgents from mali-algeria - CAR (your SANDF ran away from).

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO STOP TELLING LIES? WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS THAT BH IS CONTROLLING MUCH OF YOUR LAND. LIKE IT OR NOT.

A VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION:

AugustineAgain:
Are you s.ick ? You are posting Israel's Jericho ICBM, is South Africa and Israel the same country?
Believed to have been tested is NOT proved to have been tested
We too believe Epe missile in Nigeria has been tested to 120km range !
You must be s.ick....Mumu

#ShowUs Soweto ICBM Proved Tested
.

READING HELPS A LOT GO BACK AND READ AGAIN ABOUT RSA-3.

Henry120:

You connived with the terrorists. You posted the terrorist videos. You helped the terrorists spread their propaganda.

In the terrorist video you joyfully posted on nairaland, 8 troops tops were over-ran by over 300 terrorists armed with 14.5mm, 50 calibers, PKM's and RPG's.

It is conflict.

The british had to beg the taliban for safe passage after they were over-ran in helmand province, afghanistan.


The terrorists you spread their propaganda on nairaland have and continue to feel the wrath of the nigerian military even into chad, niger and cameroun.


Nigeria is battling insurgents from mali-algeria - CAR (your SANDF ran away from).

that your assumptions fokk@n NAI

Mikeza, @patches689 aka Patrick

Among other major customers for Russian rotary-wing aircraft were China (52 Mi-171E helicopters for $624 million), Afghanistan (10 aircraft, to be purchased with Pentagon money), Sri Lanka (14 Mi-171Sh helicopters), Nigeria (about 10 Mi-17/171s), Ghana (six Mi-17s) and Argentina (three examples of the Mi-171E modification).

http://www.ato.ru/content/another-successful-year

Henry120:

Operations are currently on going. Margaret thachter lost her entire cabinet in a hotel bombing by the IRA, and she only escaped assassination by her whiskers.

60 percent of the countries I listed have passed through this same situation as nigeria.

Feel free to show me where the IRA hoisted their flag over English sovereign territory