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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:30am On Aug 31, 2014
AugustineAgain:

Cuba got South Africa to agree a troop withdrawal, hence victory.

Cuban supported side MPLA rules Angola today and flies their flag, hence total victory
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South Africa was going to give Namibia independance from the 70's onwards.

But we would not do so with PLAN insurgents and massive Cuban formations in the North.

We destroyed PLAN (SWAPO is not PLAN) and got the Cubans to withdraw

We were never concerned with who ran Angola - that was beyond the scope of our objectives, if we were we would have taken the whole country during Operation Savannah

Thus, clearly, we were victorious.

Again, Lies dont make good arguments.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:33am On Aug 31, 2014
AugustineAgain:

SAAF has ONLY 10 Rooivalks and with 2011 technology.

Nigeria has 36 Helicopter gunships including 6 Hind E with 2014 technology.

We have almost 4 times more powerful helicopter force, and best in Africa after Egypt

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No, your Hind with "2014 technology" does not compare at all, in any way shape or form to the Rooivalk.

I refer you to this post:

patches689:
We only got 10 as they are expensive, and because we only need 10.

The Hind is not the worlds most heavily armed.

Hind Maximum weapons payload: 1,500 kg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-24#Specifications_.28Mi-24.29

Rooivalk Maximum weapons payload: 2000kg
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1994/1994%20-%202293.PDF

Its combat tests are a history of failure - how many shot down in Afghanistan? Was it... 70?
And no, a second hand Hind is no where near reliable.

The Hind also is a nice big target, cant hover for sh1t and is about as maneuverable as a bus. Not to mention dated avionics, no missile or laser warning systems, no nape of the earth capabilities, Russian export models are armed with obsolete ATGM's, terrible targeting equipment etc etc etc the list goes on and on... its biggest flaw is that it is INHERENTLY FLAWED. Its not a dedicated attack helo, and its not a dedicated transport - thus it is terrible at both

Its popular because it is cheap - that is all.

And in the end of the day, when hitting the same targets, against the same enemy, in the same conditions - the Rooivalk was found to be superior.

Not to mention that the Rooivalk has a longer range, higher service ceiling, climbs faster, faster cruising speed and comes armed with the best ASM in the world

[size=15pt]So the Rooivalk is better armed, smaller, more agile, faster during operational speeds, has a longer operational range, has better avionics, better weapons and is found, in 1-on-1 combat situations to be better[/size]

Dude, we make better Hinds than you can afford to buy

Not to mention that 90% of your "36 helicopter gunships" are just troop transports with rocket pods attacked to them, which makes them beyond useless.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:34am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

Cuba kept the largest part of Angola to MPLA and protected them if threatened.

Today UNITA is dead
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We never realy gave a sh1t about UNITA

We kept them alive while they served our interests. Once they stopped serving our interests they became irrelevant.

What happened in Angola (as long as there were no Cuban troops) was none of our concern.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:36am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

Rooivalk is a rebel worthy helicopters with only one hour combat experience in 20 years grin

Hind has fought against jets, radar, and missiles in more than 30 wars in 40 years.

Reason why country buys a Rooivalk except the manufacturing nation that made the half French Rooivalk grin
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70 Hind were shot down by Rebels in Afghanistan.

That makes it less than Rebel worthy.

The hind is an obsolete flying donkey.

Weapon systems are not judged on arms sales.

And it only took the Rooivalk 1 hour of combat to prove that it was superior to the Hind... what does that say about your hind?

Reminder: South Africa makes a better Hind than Nigeria can afford to buy.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:40am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

You said SA is super rich, why buy only 10 Helicopters because they are expensive?

We have said before that SANDF is broke and empty pocketed grin

You need only 10 Helicopter gunships? SA has a land mass bigger than Nigeria that has 36.

Then how do you project force in your SADC region with ONLY 10 helicopter gunships ?

You will NEVER be the strongest military in Africa with scanty number of equipment
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We got 10 because we only need 10.

The SANDF is not broke and is about to have its budget doubled and $9 Billion in Aquisitions.

Yes, we only need 10 as:

1. We know how to use them
2. They are real attack helicopters - not confused troop transports
3. Each Rooivalk is worth 10 Hind

Dude, Rooivalk is a pure bred attack helicopter that is superior to the Hind in every way.

How do we project force with only 10 attack helicopters?

Well... it only took 2 Rooivalk to defeat 4 seperate rebel groups in Eastern Congo. Nigerias mythical helicopter fleet has yet to defeat any rebel groups.

[size=15pt]Why are your hinds not helping you take back your lost terrirtory? Because Nigeria cannot even porject force in Nigeria!![/size]

You will never be the strongest military in Africa while BH defeats you every single day of the week.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:41am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

Ask your ANC war veterans...

http://mg.co.za/tag/umkhonto-wesizwe-military-veterans-association
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MK was a non entity in South Africa.

The common man throwing stones on the streets did more for the liberation struggle - it was a revolution, not an insurgency
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:55am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

Tyring to counter everything I say on this forum will only make you look like a fool, and give a public impression that South Africans are d.ullards

I said maverick missile is the best and you are arguing with me over missiles made where I live. Fool.

Maverick has many new versions.

Maverick from day one is built as multirole ASM including anti-armour and anti-ship role.

Hellfire does not do anti-ship combat.

Maverick is carried by 25 types of aircraft including many Jet fighters.

Hellfire is carried by fewer aircraft and NO jet fighter.

Always attacking my post because you want to prove you know more than I do, will only make you a bigger fool than people expect.

Inferiority complex is a deadly disease grin
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A longass post that says nothing grin Typical.

Dude, you know absolutely nothing... I could go through your posts and highlight all the absolutly ridiculous things you have said, but I dont have enough time!! Lol, you said the Maverick is the best in the world - its not, Brimstone is, RBS-15 Mk 3 is, AGM-130 is. Maverick is obsolete 1970's junk.

Anyway,

We are talking about ASM's that are designed for use on Helicopters.

So to stop you constantly moving the goal posts let me be extremely specific for you: The Mokopa is the best helicopter launched ASM-ATGM in the world. The Rooivalk is the only helicopter that carries it. And milimeter band radar means that it is multi-role - anything with ANY metal in it can be targeted.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:00am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

Nope, I didn't lie, the source says it's a 2012 report, they could draw a map in 2014 if the wish, but research report was from 2012 data.

The data is outdated, SADC region of South Africa's influence has joined the new world piracy map of victims in 2014 grin

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YOU FVCKING LIAR - YOU ARE INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO SAY THAT OUR POSTS ARE FROM A DIFFERENT SOURCE

Go to the link:
http://www.icc-ccs.org/piracy-reporting-centre/live-piracy-map


[size=15pt]Its a LIVE piracy map - up-to-date, live, this second... there is no clearer way I can explain it you asshat.[/size]

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:03am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

[size=15pt]Now that South Africa has joined the maritime piracy club, you will soon be running to Lagos for training and lectures by Nigerian navy, our track record speaks volumes that will burst your eardrums grin grin

We rule the blue waters from West Africa to South Africa !

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/20/nigeria-pirates-idUSL6N0GL31Y20130820

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There have been ZERO attacks in South African waters
There have been ZERO attacks in Nambian waters
Since we have been patroling Mozambiquean waters - there have been ZERO attacks


This year alone there have been 11 attacks in Nigerian waters.

Why would we want training from those that cannot even secure their own waters?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 2:04am On Aug 31, 2014
Just wanted to share this:

FIVE THINGS YOU NEVER KNEW ABOUT THE SOUTH AFRICAN MILITARY.

http://www.africandefence.net/five-things-you-never-knew-about-the-south-african-military/
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:07am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:


Your story said some few Nigerian soldiers went to fvck a.sha.wo when there was problem around town, they are men now, they went for 'extra-curricular activities' with some fun loving girls in a brothel, is that your personal problem?

Then the other few men who said they don't want to fight, they can go home, we have 30,000 soldiers in NE war zone ready to die for Nigeria.

South African army could not stand the sight of 15 body bags and whole 50,000 soldiers refused to return to face Seleka
grin
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This guy thinks the prostitutes are the important part of the story?

Your men have deserted

Your men refuse to obey orders to return to the front

Your men display clear cut cowardice in the face of the enemy - that is a shootable offence in a war-time military.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:09am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

[size=14pt]You came late to this forum...

" Nigeria Resumes Rocket Testing


AFTER an extended hiatus, Nigeria has resumed its controversial testing of rockets at the Centre for Space Transport and Propulsion (CSTP)—an operational arm of the National Space Research and Development Agency (NASRDA).
Dr. Charles Attah Osheku, the new CSTP director and chief executive officer, confirmed Friday, in a late night phone interview, that a series of test firings of experimental rockets were conducted last March and also in April.

The launches, he said, are ongoing: “We are conducting the tests primarily for scientific purposes, but also as training exercises for our technical personal and a challenge to our scientists and engineers, for whom the experience is vitally important”.

A NASRDA scientific officer, who requested anonymity, reported that CSTP has recently launched several rockets “with varying degrees of success”. Some of these, he said, had reached altitudes of three kilometers, possibly higher.

The size and configuration of the crafts, or whether there is foreign involvement, was not specified. The Guardian had, on Sunday, November 16, 2008, reported that CSTP had been secretly launching indigenously constructed experimental rockets.

During The Guardian’s visit to Epe, in 2008, Oluremi A. Fashade, the then Coordinator of the Centre, brought out one of the rockets and released a video of a successful test. The solid fuel missile was about three metres long and constructed entirely from locally sourced materials.

In his interview, Fashade — who now heads Research and Development at the African Regional Centre for Space Science and Technology Education, Il-Ife — said NASRDA would eventually “graduate to bigger and more complex craft.”

Osheku did not reveal the exact dimensions of the rockets his Centre is currently testing. But an earlier interview, with another source, left the impression that these missiles are larger than the ones Fashade had been experimenting with.

Another uncertainty is the site of the launches. At Epe, the testing range was adjacent to the campus of Lagos State University — and may still be.

But when Fashade was Coordinator, he told The Guardian that NASRDA would construct a new launch facility, on a remote island, off Nigeria’s coast.

No one is willing to discuss this now. When the subject was broached to Dr. S.O. Mohammed, the director general at NASRDA, his reaction was: “We don’t want to talk about ‘launch sites’. The Federal Government will decide if, and when, that issue is to be addressed.”

Internationally, rocketry is a sensitive subject, because it encompasses “dual use technology”—instruments that can be used, either for peaceful or military purposes. “Nigeria must, therefore, tread softly,” Mohammed allowed, ” to avoid sending the wrong signals about our intentions, which are entirely peaceful”.

The Space Roadmap mandates NASRDA to develop a full-scale launch vehicle by 2025. But the Agency also has research, training and instructional programmes that are contingent upon rocket development.

This includes a miniature satellite programme, Mohammed noted, whose centrepiece is CanSat— a satellite the size of a soft drink can. It is being developed, with Japanese collaborators, for atmospheric and space weather research"

http://www.theguardianmobile.com/readNewsItem1.php?nid=17349

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a long source that says nothing about Nigeria having anything other than toy-rockets

Well done... you are doing now what we were doing in the 1980's

Get back to us in 2025 when you have something to atucally show us.

mugu
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:11am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

Nigeria is buying more new equipments and weapons that eyes can see, Spartans, Big Foots, 6 Night Mission Hind E, and 40 more transport helicopters, Super Tucanos, extra 20,000 troops recruited, more MGLs, upgrade of Alpha jets night combat capability, 7 new ISTAR aircraft, Russian Antonovs keep landing in Abuja and NAF base Makurdi.

What we see is a renewal of Nigeria as black Africa's military leader...
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hahahahaha


90% of those things are myths!!

Nigeria is Africa's military cripple... you rank with Congo: Nations that do not have controll of all of their territory
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:13am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

ISIS rules Iraq. Taliban rules rural Afghanistan. El-Shabab rules part of Somalia, Moro Islamic insurgents have k.illed a whole battalion of American and government soldiers in Philippines and holds territory.

Find useful comments to make and stop wasting people's time here.

1. Lol, I agree, Nigeria is on par with Iraq
2. Please point it out on a map
3. No no no no no no no and again - no.

Find truthfull or logical comments to make and stop wasting peoples time here.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:14am On Aug 31, 2014
Centrifude:

That awkward moment when you realise that M.K members (Rebels) Carried more ammo than the current average Nigerian Soldier.

#justsaying

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 2:20am On Aug 31, 2014
[quote author=patches689][/quote]

LOL!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:53am On Aug 31, 2014
Centrifude:

That awkward moment when you realise that M.K members (Rebels) Carried more ammo than the current average Nigerian Soldier.

#justsaying

Your rag tag ANC freedom fighters that have never seen the gate of military academy in their life-time?

You better be #justsaying, and let it end like that
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:08am On Aug 31, 2014
FighterPilot:

I personally fail to understand how can all these land craps and seizures transpire on the home land of the army purported to be the best in Africa. The military which has faded faster than expected and suffer embarrassment of the century at the hands of just wimp boys.

No amount of propaganda will ever deviate people from what they want to believe and what they see as the truth. No amount of propaganda will ever erase all the embarrassment suffered.

By the way, let me just drop it here and take a tactical maneuver.

You better do, because Nigerian military is about to take Strategic Maneuver that will shock the world, and prove...

Who has the strongest army in Africa.


[size=16pt]Nigerian military preparing for final offensive on Boko Haram[/size]


Nigeria is NOT in a hurry....Strategic Maneuver with patient planning....Masters of war...Slow poison

"Nigerian troops will soon launch a massive military offensive to end insurgency in the northeast region of the West African country, Chief of Army Staff Lt.-Gen. Kenneth Minimah has said."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/xinhua-news-agency/140824/nigerian-troops-launch-offensive-restive-northeast

South African military academy has produced military illiterates like you and your zero-experienced officers. Go read...

[img]http://carleton.ca/fpa/wp-content/uploads/9780415777711.jpg[/img]

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:19am On Aug 31, 2014
Msauza:

[size=12pt]No pirate in this world would even dare to approach SA waters. Just ask them they will relate it more better to you.

The victorious Rhino poachers that played land pirate inside Kruger park have shown sea pirates that South Africa is a fertile crime world grin
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:24am On Aug 31, 2014
patches689:


1. We extracted men who came under ambush
2. We defended our base until Seleka offered a cease fire

You extracted SANDF men who ran to hide under the armpits of your masters the French army inside a peaceful airport grin grin
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:51am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

Your rag tag ANC freedom fighters that have never seen the gate of military academy in their life-time?

You better be #justsaying, and let it end like that
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They were re-trained by the SANDF - so yes
Most were extensivly trained in Russia - so yes

Lies and arguments - bad combinations

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:52am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

You better do, because Nigerian military is about to take Strategic Maneuver that will shock the world, and prove...

Who has the strongest army in Africa.


[size=16pt]Nigerian military preparing for final offensive on Boko Haram[/size]


Nigeria is NOT in a hurry....Strategic Maneuver with patient planning....Masters of war...Slow poison

"Nigerian troops will soon launch a massive military offensive to end insurgency in the northeast region of the West African country, Chief of Army Staff Lt.-Gen. Kenneth Minimah has said."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/xinhua-news-agency/140824/nigerian-troops-launch-offensive-restive-northeast

South African military academy has produced military illiterates like you and your zero-experienced officers. Go read...

[img]http://carleton.ca/fpa/wp-content/uploads/9780415777711.jpg[/img]

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Big words and no results

The only illterates are those whom lose bases and towns to rag-tag militia in toyota pickups.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:53am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

The victorious Rhino poachers that played land pirate inside Kruger park have shown sea pirates that South Africa is a fertile crime world grin
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The victorius boko haram have played lad pirate across the whole of northern nigeria and have shown sea pirates Nigeria is a fertile crime world

BUT

The victorius Nigerian sea pirates know this - 11 attacks this year alone.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:55am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

You extracted SANDF men who ran to hide under the armpits of your masters the French army inside a peaceful airport grin grin
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Citation please.

Look buddy, you are just wasting everyones time.

There was an ambush, we counter-attacked, got the men out, withdrew to our base where Seleka engaged us again, we held our base, forced a seleka cease-fire and extracted the Bn after the regional body would not support a seizure of bangui

Your men lose base after base and run away in womans clothing and flee into neighboring countries

People in glass houses should not throw stones
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 6:13am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

The victorious Rhino poachers that played land pirate inside Kruger park have shown sea pirates that South Africa is a fertile crime world grin
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YOU WILL BECOME THE BEST GOAL POST SHIFTER OF THE YEAR. THE AWARD BELONGS TO YOU. SINCE WHEN IS NATURE CONSERVATION A MILITARY DUTY?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 10:17am On Aug 31, 2014
THE SOUTH AFRICAN SPECIAL FORCES HAVE JUST RESCUED THE LESOTHO PRIME MINISTER FROM A POSSIBLE ASSASSINATION DURING A COUP ATTEMPT. THE PRIME MINISTER WAS WISKED TO SOUTH AFRICAN AND THE REBELS FAILED TO LOCATE HIM AND LETS WAIT FOR AN ANGRY AND ALWAYS NEGATIVE SOUTH AFRICAN BASHING AUGUSTUS TO COMMENT.....SO GREAT FOR A HOLLYWOOD SOLDIERS

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 10:31am On Aug 31, 2014
I see sh1t has kicked off in Lesotho

I wonder if we will go in again...
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 11:12am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

ANC, they defeated SADF, flushed out the white generals, took over all weapons, renamed the military, occupied Pretoria , rule the whole of South Africa, ANC won, just as you say IRA was defeated because British flag flies in Ireland, ANC flies flag in South Africa after defeating the whole SADF military. tongue tongue tongue
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It was the job of the SADF to integrate others in the SANDF. ANC never fought any conventional battle they focused on terrorism.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 11:15am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

Who told you NOE is reserved by the whole world for the Rooivalk? Mi-35M Hind E is the latest Hind in the world and the best Hind ever with full Night Mission capabilities including NOE.

The day Rooivalk attempted Nap Of Earth flight, the system failed and the over-rated helicopter crashed into city electricity wires in broad day light. Rooivalk NOE is equal to ZERO tongue tongue
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The Rooivalk operates exclusively at NOE,it was one of the first attack helicopters to fly upside down. The Hind is complete turkey,real air forces are replacing it.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 11:18am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

Rooivalk carries no real air to surface missile, Mokopa is anti-tank missile. Best real air to surface missile in the world is the American Maverick ASM.

You don't make any Hinds, you upgraded a Russian Hind for Algeria.

The best and latest Hind in the world comes from Russia, the Mi-35 Hind E, more expensive than what Algeria has.

Keep romancing yourself in delusion cheesy
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Mokopa missile can be launched from jets,helicopters and vessels. Are you also gonna say the Brimstone missile isn't a ASM?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 11:18am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

Rooivalk carries no real air to surface missile, Mokopa is anti-tank missile. Best real air to surface missile in the world is the American Maverick ASM.

You don't make any Hinds, you upgraded a Russian Hind for Algeria.

The best and latest Hind in the world comes from Russia, the Mi-35 Hind E, more expensive than what Algeria has.

Keep romancing yourself in delusion cheesy
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Mokopa missile can be launched from jets,helicopters,UAVs,vehicles and vessels. Are you also gonna say the Brimstone missile isn't a ASM?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 11:26am On Aug 31, 2014
agaugust:

Cuba kept the largest part of Angola to MPLA and protected them if threatened.

Today UNITA is dead
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Yes,South Africa used UNITA as a buffer between its land and the communists. Everytime MPLA and Cuba tried to capture Southern Angola,they were smashed. UNITA is a political party and official opposition in Angola,they're dead in your fantasy world.

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