agaugust:


South Africa has:

0 Long Endurance OPV
0 Stealth IPV
0 Stealth MPV
0 Stealth OPV
0 High speed ocean interceptor

Come back when you have something.

0 Friagtes
0 Subs

0 warships = Coat Guard

Henry120:


The Half-French Rooivalk is obsolete, archaic and has no place in the modern battle space!

We know this, Denel knows this, the buyers who rejected it also know this....... Hell, even the SAAF knows this.

And yet is has capabilities your Hind can only dream of

Henry120:


Patches689, your emotional rant does nothing to placate the indisputable fact that the Rooivalk is obsolete and out of it depths.

Enough evidence has been provided, with credible sources, including IHS janes and multiple South-African news sites. The Rooivalk half-french Helicopter runs on computers that are 30 years old.

The IHS Janes and Engineeringnews articles are crystal........ the Rooivalk runs on old, ancient computers.

- the Dailymaverick goes on to say only slight upgrades were done on the block 1F, with actual new additions been the mokopa missiles. Missiles which haven't been ordered by the SAAF.


1. South-Africa does not have the capabilities or expertise to design and produce Helicopters. The Apartheid Government didn't have it in the 70's, you don't have it today.

The Apartheid Government had unhindered access to a wide range of French Helicopters/ blueprints and French expertise. This was the base of the Rooivalk.

- Helicopters running on 30 years old computers cannot be considered as advanced.

It makes both Tactical, Economic and military sense to get Proven attack Helicopters from trusted and reliable Helicopter suppliers than to be stuck with a 65% French Helicopter that is both obsolete and unproven.

- There is nothing largely indigenous about the Rooivalk !!!!

The Half-French Rooivalk is no where in the class of the Tiger, Z-10 or the Apache...... not even the Hind.


The SAAF is stuck with a largely irrelevant Helicopter, that is unproven and obsolete.

You actually beleive the trash you write?

Rooivalk capabilities have been laid out

The age of its equipment is irrelevant

Because:

It has capabilities your brand new hind does not

Thus, if it is obsolete - what then is your Hind? A dinosour?

Dude, your Rooivalk obsession shows us that you are deeply jealous

Henry120:


[b]Rooivalk Remains 30 Years Obsolete.

Fake Upgrades :

There is NO PROOF that the Rooivalk computers or avionics were upgraded as proposed. No proof the money was release, no proof the job was done.

The only certain upgrade was to add ability to use Mokopa missile which was never ordered into service.

Next job was the over-heating cannon that was cooled from overheating, repaired, not upgraded. ZERO technology advancement. Same old gun

Rooivalk remains 30 years obsolete....even Rwanda won't buy it !


"Denel Aviation finally handed over five new Rooivalk Mark 1 combat helicopters to the South African Air Force on 1 April 2011, after years of development, building and testing.

The new Rooivalk Mk.1 is not much different to its old predecessor , the AH-2 Rooivalk.

The cannons which used to be a bother on the older Rooivalk by overheating very quickly and preventing rapid and sustained fire, have now been fixed.

The chief of the South African Air Force General Carlo Gagiano said, “ What is new is the Mokopa missile , which was test-fired at the Overberg range a long time ago and we had some very good results.”

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2011-04-04-rooivalk-the-next-generation-mark-1/#.VWZ7hvlVhBd

"The investment comes despite the helicopter's builder, Denel, questioning the viability of the 23-year-old project. The rotorcraft's cockpit reflects an avionics and computer processing power system that is now two decades old.

They are divided on whether the project is worth the effort. Some sources say it amounts to throwing good money after bad and paying for a Porsche to do a CitiGolf's job."

http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5449&catid=96:defence-and-aerospace-technology


Rooivalk remains a 30 year obsolete attack helicopter.

CASE CLOSED
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Rooivalk Specifications:

Thales TopOwl Helmets
- A Thales Avionics TopOwl helmet-mounted sight display (HMSD) provides the crew with a head-up display of information for nap-of-the-earth flight (NOE).
- TopOwl incorporates an integrated measurement system for directing an articulated weapon such as the cannon, or air-to-air missile seeker heads (look to kill capabilities).

Electronic Warfare
- Rooivalk's electronic warfare suite is the fully integrated helicopter electronic warfare self-protection suite (HEWSPS)
- incorporates: radar warning, laser warning and countermeasures dispensing system.
- The system is flight-line programmable and in-flight adaptable to match the threat library with the mission's area of operation.
-radar warner features low-effective radiated power (ERP) / pulse Doppler radar detection beyond radar detection range, ultra broadband frequency coverage, high pulse density handling and internal instantaneous frequency measurement.
- laser warner provides broadband laser frequency coverage to detect and display rangefinding, designating and missile guidance laser threats.
- the countermeasures dispensing system, which is operated in manual, semi-automatic or fully automatic mode, is charged with chaff and flare cartridges.

TDATS (Target detection, acquisition and tracking)

- The TDATS sight is equipped with a low-level television sensor
- Forward-looking infrared (FLIR)
- autotracker
- laser rangefinder
-laser designator.

Navigation
- Doppler radar velocity sensor
- Thales Avionics eight-channel global positioning system
- heading sensor unit and an air data unit.

Communication
- two VHF/UHF transceivers with FM, AM with digital speech processing
- one HF radio with frequency hopping
- secure voice and data channels
- and an IFF transponder.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/rooivalk/

[size=20pt]Now your job is simple:

1. Show which of these capabilities existed 30 years ago
2. Show which of these capabilities your Hind has. [/size]

Henry120:


1, South-Africa cannot afford it. Orders were cut primarily because the South-African government could not afford them.

In-affordability began during the programmes development.

African countries choose the MI-28N, Apache and MI-35M because they are better assets, proven assets and with an adequate supply of spares dependability.

Price is just an add on factor imported Helicopters have over the half-french rooivalk.

The Rooivalk was rejected by the U.K, Australia, Malaysia, Turkey etc etc.

- the AH was built primarily with French help to meet both South-African needs and those of export clients.

It makes no sense to sink in 1 billion dollars in a program, spend 40 million dollars per AH and get only 12.

I said if China, Turkey or India were in the position of South-Africa, the Helicopter would have done well in Africa. This is a fact!

Nigeria is getting the T-129, the Nigerian Chief of Air Staff confirms this.

Turkey has the 6th largest Economy in Europe. It is a very important nation in the EuroAsia region. It has the Economy and the military strength to match it's importance.

The Half-French Rooivalk is an obsolete AH running on 30 years old computers nobody wants. These facts have been proven time and again.

1, orders were cut because the size of the Sandf was cut from 500,000 to less than 100,000. South Africa spent $7 billion on the arms deal - we could've aquired as many Rooivalk as we want

2. No evidence to suggest that the Rooivalk was rejected by anyone and it beat the Apache and tiger in Turkish trials

3.how many Z-10 or ATAK are there in Africa? Lol - fact disproved

Russian helps are chosen because they are cheap - that is all


Rooivalk with 30 year-old computers beat the brand new tiger and Apache in Turkey - this has been proven over and over


Look Henry, I know that you love talking about the Rooivalk but this is getting boring

Henry120:


The only thing dedicated about the Rooivalk is "French".

List French components

Henry120:


My sources are up to date!

They are literally out of date

stillchris:


your navy is not proper.

using frigates and subs to perform the work of OPV and corvette.

SA has no navy

Wat?

I can't even

agaugust:


Lot's of food and drinks inside NNS Thunder, enough to last for many weeks.

Long Endurance OPV is bigger than a house, food plenty, drink yourself drunk, life is sweet on NNS Thunder marathon voyage around Africa.

No ship in South African navy has that long endurance capacity.

Envy will rooooast you
.

No African warship is as old

agaugust:


When did you last see ship vs ship combat in Africa or in this world? Over 30 years ago.

The only active sea threat today worldwide is piracy, OPVs are reigning.

Nigeria, Ghana, Cameroon, Angola, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Kenya, are all hunting for OPV to safeguard their oceans.

Frigates and submarines have become little use since 30 years ago.

Anyway, your Soweto frigates have only about a dozen anti-ship missiles, and there are decoy launchers counter measures on Nigerian navy OPVs for self defence against enemy missiles.

So, once we waste your missiles, we will turn it into a gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPVs have superior gun firepower over the South African navy frigates.
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Your chaff dispensers are 100% effective?

you don't have a navy

Fact

Patchesagain:


Same vessel

This is awesome, I dont even have to write anything and you humiliate yourself through the demonstration of your complete lack of knowladge

You are the one with lack of knowledge of sea warfare.

The Warrior class strike craft (ex Minister class) in service with the South African Navy are modified Sa'ar IV (Reshef class) fast attack craft. Yours have been modified to have different specifications, so show us the data for South African variant, show us your range !

Show me a source that says SAN Warrior class is EXACTLY the same as Israeli navy Saar class.

Then show me the data for South African Warrior class, show us how you got range of 4,000 miles.

If you don't prove your claim, then you are forever Patches the anointed fraudster ! Thief ! Fraud !
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Patchesagain:


You are the one who cannot prove that Nigerian OPV has a longer range

Nope, you made the first claim that Warrior OPV has longer range, double range of P18N.

patches689:


Regardless of the size of your opv it's range will have to more than double to meet that of the warrior class

Warrior class is a better opv in terms of range

So, you started it, you made claim with no citation.

Now, show us citation for the range of P18N 2,000 miles and Warrior class 4,000 miles.

Prove it, or else all your Cape Colony people will become my intellectual slaves, I have defeated your entire homeland
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Patchesagain:


As reserve platforms

They were never used......

......Because SAN was stupiid enough to buy rotten 60 year old warships that cannot sail, some have become spare parts cannibalized.

Foolish Soweto navy purchasing department, ripped off again by white masters in Europe in minesweeper raw deal
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Patchesagain:


What is the range of your OPV?

You claimed the P18N range is 2,000 miles. Show us your source, or you just created the figures from your shiiit hole bum ?
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Patchesagain:


0 Friagtes
0 Subs

0 warships = Coat Guard

All navies around the world today are doing coast guard job.....no sea wars, only piracy

Meanwhile, Anti-missile counter-measures and superior gun firepower gives Nigerian OPVs superiority over South African Frigates.
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Patchesagain:


No African warship is as old

The South African navy minesweepers are aged 60 years, 10 years older than NNS Thunder
.

Patchesagain:


Your chaff dispensers are 100% effective?

you don't have a navy

Fact

Your anti-ship missiles are 100% effective? No !

NNS Centenary has anti-missile decoy launchers, ANTI-anti-ship missile counter measures that are specially built for protecting modern frigates/destroyer warships against enemy missiles in high threat naval sea combat theatres.

The Nigerian P18N OPVs will defeat ALL the few Exocet missiles on South African Valour Frigates, the combat will turn to gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPV 76mm guns are more sophisticated and have longer range superior to the older guns/shorter range of the Valour frigates.

Nigeria will use OPVs to sink ALL South African frigates ! FACT !


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Patchesagain:


Just like no warships can be found in the Nigerian Navy

OPVs are warships, just not missile armed.

NNS Aradu is a missile frigate in reserve.

Nigeria does not need our Frigate to sink enemy Frigates, our P18N OPV is enough. Anti-missile counter-measures and superior gun firepower gives Nigerian OPVs superiority over South African Frigates.

Did I shock every South African with these anti-missile systems on NNS Centenary ? Yes !

It will be your new nightmare on Nairaland !
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agaugust:


You are the one with lack of knowledge of sea warfare.

The Warrior class strike craft (ex Minister class) in service with the South African Navy are modified Sa'ar IV (Reshef class) fast attack craft. Yours have been modified to have different specifications, so show us the data for South African variant, show us your range !

Show me a source that says SAN Warrior class is EXACTLY the same as Israeli navy Saar class.

Then show me the data for South African Warrior class, show us how you got range of 4,000 miles.

If you don't prove your claim, then you are forever Patches the anointed fraudster ! Thief ! Fraud !
.

I have done exactly what you asked

Stop wasting my time with outrageous demands and semantic arguments

agaugust:
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Nope, you made the first claim that Warrior OPV has longer range, double range of P18N.




So, you started it, you made claim with no citation.

Now, show us citation for the range of P18N 2,000 miles and Warrior class 4,000 miles.

Prove it, or else all your Cape Colony people will become my intellectual slaves, I have defeated your entire homeland
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[size=20pt]
P18N range is 3000 miles
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Shocking revelation!!

Outranged dramatically by the warrior class opv!!!

Yet again Patrick the office worker has out-researched Augustus the military researcher using only his tablet and brain!!

Yet again Patrick has educated Nigerians about their own equipment!!!

120 million Nigerian brains and you could not find the Information!

You needed a south African brain to educate you - just like you needed south African brains to teach you how to fight!!

#PostLikeAugubug [/size]

agaugust:


......Because SAN was stupiid enough to buy rotten 60 year old warships that cannot sail, some have become spare parts cannibalized.

Foolish Soweto navy purchasing department, ripped off again by white masters in Europe in minesweeper raw deal
.

Fantasy land

agaugust:


You claimed the P18N range is 2,000 miles. Show us your source, or you just created the figures from your shiiit hole bum ?
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P18N range is 3000 miles
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Shocking revelation!!

Outranged dramatically by the warrior class opv!!![/size]

agaugust:


All navies around the world today are doing coast guard job.....no sea wars, only piracy

Meanwhile, Anti-missile counter-measures and superior gun firepower gives Nigerian OPVs superiority over South African Frigates.
.

Being this delusional

Just because there is no war now doesn't new mean there will never be one

Navies role is naval combat

Coast guards role is maritime security

We have a navy

You have a coast guard

Are you really saying that an Opv stands a chance against a frigate? Please say yes

agaugust:


The South African navy minesweepers are aged 60 years, 10 years older than NNS Thunder
.

Our River Class Minesweeper are from the 1980's

Were the 1980's 60 years ago?

Buff.oon

agaugust:


Your anti-ship missiles are 100% effective? No !

NNS Centenary has anti-missile decoy launchers, ANTI-anti-ship missile counter measures that are specially built for protecting modern frigates/destroyer warships against enemy missiles in high threat naval sea combat theatres.

The Nigerian P18N OPVs will defeat ALL the few Exocet missiles on South African Valour Frigates, the combat will turn to gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPV 76mm guns are more sophisticated and have longer range superior to the older guns/shorter range of the Valour frigates.

Nigeria will use OPVs to sink ALL South African frigates ! FACT !


.

Are your chaff launchers 100% effective?

How much chaff can they dispense?

If you think that an Opv stands a chance against a Frigate then you need to stop posting in military forums

agaugust:


OPVs are warships, just not missile armed.

NNS Aradu is a missile frigate in reserve.

Nigeria does not need our Frigate to sink enemy Frigates, our P18N OPV is enough. Anti-missile counter-measures and superior gun firepower gives Nigerian OPVs superiority over South African Frigates.

Did I shock every South African with these anti-missile systems on NNS Centenary ? Yes !

It will be your new nightmare on Nairaland !
.

Arad is not sea worthy and has no crew

Provide citation that your corvette has chaff dispensers

Then provide stats for its effectiveness

And yet again, I remind you - Nigerian navy has no warships

Nightmare? Please, you are the resident donkey

Henry120:


1, South-Africa cannot afford it. Orders were cut primarily because the South-African government could not afford them.

In-affordability began during the programmes development.

African countries choose the MI-28N, Apache and MI-35M because they are better assets, proven assets and with an adequate supply of spares dependability.

Price is just an add on factor imported Helicopters have over the half-french rooivalk.

The Rooivalk was rejected by the U.K, Australia, Malaysia, Turkey etc etc.

- the AH was built primarily with French help to meet both South-African needs and those of export clients.

It makes no sense to sink in 1 billion dollars in a program, spend 40 million dollars per AH and get only 12.

I said if China, Turkey or India were in the position of South-Africa, the Helicopter would have done well in Africa. This is a fact!

Nigeria is getting the T-129, the Nigerian Chief of Air Staff confirms this.

Turkey has the 6th largest Economy in Europe. It is a very important nation in the EuroAsia region. It has the Economy and the military strength to match it's importance.

The Half-French Rooivalk is an obsolete AH running on 30 years old computers nobody wants. These facts have been proven time and again.

Jezz!! this man. Do you know that SA budget is more than that of the whole of west African countries combined including Nigeria. We can afford all military hardwares that we wish to have, it is just that military is not prioritised in budget allocations. Our authorities say they don't see a need for now as SA still need massive infrastructure that equals or supersede that of Australia. They say their mandate is to get rid of all slums and modernise SA to look like fully developed state. Don't ever insinuate that we don't afford, the only thing is that our focus is somewhere else and that is to modernise the country.

France did not help SA with the Rooivalk project, SA started the project while still under great pressure of sanctions. The Rooivalk is using the French made engine same as your Igirigi, same as Z10, same as T-129, etc are all using foreign made engines. So what is your problem with SA Rooivalk flying with French engines while many other platforms outside are flying with foreign engines other than from the country of origin. You can sing your half-french song for as long as you want, but we don't really care because the world knows that DENEL is the owner of intellectual property behind the Rooivalk. They service it and do whatever that they want with it without having to ask for permissions. The project of Rooivalk must have troubled you that you really wouldn't make peace with the fact that SA is the only African country to have ever build the gunship and still is going to build another one that is going to become a success story.


#go and die with your jealousy.

Patchesagain:


Just like no warships can be found in the Nigerian Navy

Nigeria does not have a navy, only a brown water navy that would be chasing after pirates for the rest of their entire lives.

Patchesagain:


Are your chaff launchers 100% effective?

How much chaff can they dispense?

If you think that an Opv stands a chance against a Frigate then you need to stop posting in military forums

[size=20] A bing bang. Not a chance.[/size]

Patchesagain:


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P18N range is 3000 miles

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Shocking revelation!!

Outranged dramatically by the warrior class opv!!!

Yet again Patrick the office worker has out-researched Augustus the military researcher using only his tablet and brain!!

Yet again Patrick has educated Nigerians about their own equipment!!!

120 million Nigerian brains and you could not find the Information!

You needed a south African brain to educate you - just like you needed south African brains to teach you how to fight!!

#PostLikeAugubug [/size]

[size=20pt]

Bwahahahaaha

I am smarter than you are, so I forced you to eat your own words.

Now Patches has h.umiliated himself, you said before that the P18N range is 2,000 miles.....

patches689:


Range of warrior class: 4000 miles

Type 056 OPV: 2000 miles

Fact

BWA-HAHAHAHA

Trust a Nigerian, a smarter nation to force a dull nation South African to commit s.uicide here

I knew the range is 3,000 miles for P18N, the source you used is the same source from which I got the decoy launchers/anti-missile.....Navy Recognition website, I set you up to trap yourself, and you fell flat for it !

So why did you cut down the Nigerian OPV range from 3,000 miles to 2,000 miles yesterday? Do you know that you have now confirmed yourself as an anointed fraudster? The whole forum now sees you Patches as a liar, fraud, thief !

Am I done with you now? No. More humiliation for y.ou Patches, let a military researcher from Great Nigeria teach you about sea warfare.

Now you say SAN Warrior class boat out-ranges NN P18N OPV, you are very wrong !

Learn now office worker Patrick, learn from Augustine defense industry worker, the son of Naija land, Nigeria the great :

Warship operational performance is NOT determined by miles of range, rather, sea voyage is determined by ENDURANCE days at sea !


South African Warrior boat endurance at sea = 10 days

Nigerian P18N OPV ship endurance at sea = 20 days

Means the SAN boat has only half time to survive at sea, the Nigerian OPV has double time to operate at sea.

Nigerian navy OPV is far superior to South African toy OPV only good for a swimming pool

SOURCE :

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Now bow down to Nigeria for educating South Africa again as usual....we own you !
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Patchesagain:


Are you really saying that an Opv stands a chance against a frigate?

Please say yes

I say NO
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