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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:16pm On Aug 21, 2015
iblawi:


I guess this map was made in South Africa.

This your Sahara desert is wonderful.
Thanks for proving us right and Agaugust wrong!!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:21pm On Aug 21, 2015
agaugust:


Thanks for your map, the South African fraudsters posted a map that has no city names yet claim the Sahara desert reaches Dafur Sudan, the thing actually ends at the capital city of Sudan called Khartoum as seen clearly by your map.

So South Africans need to show us proof that their SANDF army had the courage to deploy a long standing force inside Sudanese capital where the power of Omar El Basir 's military might is based !
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OMG!!! you cant even read a map!!!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:23pm On Aug 21, 2015
Henry120:


No evidence = into the dustbin it goes.
We never said it was in service with SAAF, we said its being manufactured for SAAF/SANDF and we backed up our claims with citations.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:31pm On Aug 21, 2015
A few pics of SAN, doing even more exercises today!!!!!!!!
Rest of the pics on the other thread if you wish to view them.

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:58pm On Aug 21, 2015
jln115:

OMG!!! you cant even read a map!!!

OMG !!!! See bugler calling the owner a thief. You read the map, Sahara desert ends at Khartoum while Dafur is below the Sahara. You southies box yourselves into a tight corner then try to lie your way out of it but we Naijas always nail yöu.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/africa/sd.htm

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Shegofams(m): 11:05pm On Aug 21, 2015
Lezzlie:
Great. This here is a long thread. And it's more or less recycled rhetorics. No one accepts anything as fact.

The same argument over and over

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:27am On Aug 22, 2015
agaugust:


OMG !!!! See bugler calling the owner a thief. You read the map, Sahara desert ends at Khartoum while Dafur is below the Sahara. You southies box yourselves into a tight corner then try to lie your way out of it but we Naijas always nail yöu.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/africa/sd.htm

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Fvck your stup1d!!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:32am On Aug 22, 2015
Henry120:


No evidence = into the dustbin it goes.

Evidence has been provided
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:34am On Aug 22, 2015
agaugust:


[s]Since when did google books become a reliable source of Denel weapons?

Both Denel manufacturer and Defenceweb has said maximum range of A-Dartar missile is 19 km ONLY.[/s]

#Short Legged Missile cheesycheesy

Its not "google books"

You think google wrote it?

Range is 20km

Deal with it
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:36am On Aug 22, 2015
agaugust:


[s]Dude, inasmuch as we all have national pride, let us not wreck this forum with deliberate falsification of facts as you often do. The people who read this thread have complained about unnecessary repetitions of what has been clearly proved.

Your argument or lying does not remove the 3 Lynx Mk.89 anti-submarine warfare helicopters from Nigerian navy air arm storage facility, we own them for life. Go hug electricity transformer if it hurts you.


Other marks are: 21 (Brazil), 23 (Argentina), 25 (Netherlands UH-14A for SAR), 27 (Netherlands SH-14B for ASW, 88 (West German ASW model and 89 (Nigerian navy for ASW and SAR with 43-1 engines, RCA radar and other updates [/s]

http://www.informationgazette.info/Weapon-6.html
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No one cares what you call them, facts are this:

1. They are not operational
2. You have no qualified crew to operate them
3. They have no sonar bouys
4. They can only hunt surfaced submarines

These are simple facts, if you cannot deal with that then it is your problem.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:50am On Aug 22, 2015
Henry120:

1. You have HMD, but your missile only has a 19km range. Nigeria has only HUD, however our missile has an over 22km range. WVR, we see you, we kill you!

A-Darter is not largely immune to counter-measures.......... Anyway, i see no real use for a counter-measure when you are dead?

2. SAAF has 0 combat qualified Pilots, compared to over 40 combat qualified NAF F-7 pilots.


3. Official flying records show your Gripen Pilots do not achieve the minimum flying time to be considered combat qualified.


4. As proven with same sources, the SAAF did not have a maintenance contract for their Gripen Jets for over an 18 month period. Records also show 12 Gripen are in long term storage at any one time.


5. Your Air-Force is borderline hopeless, and saddled with equipment it does not have the expertise to Fly, Maintain or Run.

[size=15pt]You see how pathetic henry120 is? I ask for proof, for citations, for sources... and all he does is say exactly what he said again! [/size]

1. Gripen is moving at mach 2.0, 2km is not a large enough distance to prevent it firing
1a. A-darter can intercept your missile
1b. Gripen can jam your missile

2. According to whom? According to what are you making this statement?

3. Which records? I keep asking and you keep refusing to post them

4. And during that time Gripen were maintained by SAAF.
4a. And a contract has been signed
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33123:saaf-receives-gripen-support-contract&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

4b. Records show that no Gripen are in storage at any one time
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-31821/

Liar

5. 22 000 hours tell a different story

Dude, you can keep repeating yourself, but it will never change the facts that the SAAF is so far ahead of the NAF that the two are not even in the same ball-park

Now, lets talk about the NAF shall we


Nigeria has an Air Force with few functional aircraft. The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is largely irrelevant.

As of 2009, most of its fleets were grounded and its training institutions were constrained with shortages of technical skills such as instructors and institutional facilities. The highest percentage of the actual allocation to NAF compared with the annual budget proposal was just 31% in 2002. Evidently, the current budgetary allocations to the NAF cannot sustain effective and efficient aircraft maintenance activitie[/b]s. This is due to the constraints in spares acquisition. Lack of funding has been responsible for an inability to preserve aircraft regularly… [b]Aircraft become due for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) with time, and not by hours flown, because they are most of the time grounded for unserviceability. The reasons for unserviceability are usually traceable to lack of spares occasioned by insufficient funding.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/air-force.htm

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:57am On Aug 22, 2015
agaugust:


OMG !!!! See bugler calling the owner a thief. You read the map, Sahara desert ends at Khartoum while Dafur is below the Sahara. You southies box yourselves into a tight corner then try to lie your way out of it but we Naijas always nail yöu.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/africa/sd.htm

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 7:51am On Aug 22, 2015
agaugust:


OMG !!!! See bugler calling the owner a thief. You read the map, Sahara desert ends at Khartoum while Dafur is below the Sahara. You southies box yourselves into a tight corner then try to lie your way out of it but we Naijas always nail yöu.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/africa/sd.htm

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You are a fucke..n retard, I thought you were much clever since you said you have MBA. Did you buy it?




Map of Darfur




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Darfur_2011.png

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 7:55am On Aug 22, 2015
Henry120:


1. You have HMD, but your missile only has a 19km range. Nigeria has only HUD, however our missile has an over 22km range. WVR, we see you, we kill you!

A-Darter is not largely immune to counter-measures.......... Anyway, i see no real use for a counter-measure when you are dead?

2. SAAF has 0 combat qualified Pilots, compared to over 40 combat qualified NAF F-7 pilots.


3. Official flying records show your Gripen Pilots do not achieve the minimum flying time to be considered combat qualified.


4. As proven with same sources, the SAAF did not have a maintenance contract for their Gripen Jets for over an 18 month period. Records also show 12 Gripen are in long term storage at any one time.


5. Your Air-Force is borderline hopeless, and saddled with equipment it does not have the expertise to Fly, Maintain or Run.


Over 40 combat qualified NAF F7 pilots with only three operational F7s. Bwahahahaha… Do you actually make sense?


That means the entire part of your pilots do not fly enough hours.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:09am On Aug 22, 2015
jln115:

Longest firing 155mm Howitzers IN THE WORLD, some of the best HMDs IN THE WORLD, some of the best ATGMs IN THE WORLD, some of the best periscopes IN THE WORLD, some of the best WVR missiles IN THE WORLD, some of the best MRAPs IN THE WORLD, some of the best 127mm MLRSs IN THE WORLD, some of the best EW suits IN THE WORLD, some of the best IFVs IN THE WORLD.....These are facts mate

BTW if the A-Darter was so sh11t why did Brazil choose it over the iris-t?

-You do not have some of the best HMDs in the world

- You do not have some of the best ATGMs in the world

- You do not have some of the best WVR missiles or Periscope

- Typhoon K, Navistar Maxxpro, Bushmaster, Cougar, Kipri are the worlds best MRAPs

- you do not have some of the best 127mm MRLS

- You do not have some of the best EW suite either

- you do not have some of the best IFVs

You got too much pap clogged around your brain area, hence the current set of delusional rants!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:26am On Aug 22, 2015
patches689:


Now, lets talk about the NAF shall we


Nigeria has an Air Force with few functional aircraft. The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is largely irrelevant.

As of 2009, most of its fleets were grounded and its training institutions were constrained with shortages of technical skills such as instructors and institutional facilities. The highest percentage of the actual allocation to NAF compared with the annual budget proposal was just 31% in 2002. Evidently, the current budgetary allocations to the NAF cannot sustain effective and efficient aircraft maintenance activitie[/b]s. This is due to the constraints in spares acquisition. Lack of funding has been responsible for an inability to preserve aircraft regularly… [b]Aircraft become due for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) with time, and not by hours flown, because they are most of the time grounded for unserviceability. The reasons for unserviceability are usually traceable to lack of spares occasioned by insufficient funding.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/air-force.htm


Congrats, you posted a 2009 source, citing "evidence" from 2002. Your fairy tale source is 15 years old!







As is custom, No evidence = into the dustbin it goes!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:51am On Aug 22, 2015
jln115:

We never said it was in service with SAAF, we said its being manufactured for SAAF/SANDF and we backed up our claims with citations.

No you did not!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Lezzlie(m): 9:19am On Aug 22, 2015
Shegofams:


The same argument over and over
Southies are desperate. An e - victory will be readily accepted for the real one. grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Lezzlie(m): 9:32am On Aug 22, 2015
jln115:

Fvck your stup1d!!
Lame defence, Olodo.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iblawi(m): 9:48am On Aug 22, 2015
patches689:



Now, lets talk about the NAF shall we


Nigeria has an Air Force with few functional aircraft. The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is largely irrelevant.

As of 2009, most of its fleets were grounded and its training institutions were constrained with shortages of technical skills such as instructors and institutional facilities. The highest percentage of the actual allocation to NAF compared with the annual budget proposal was just 31% in 2002. Evidently, the current budgetary allocations to the NAF cannot sustain effective and efficient aircraft maintenance activitie[/b]s. This is due to the constraints in spares acquisition. Lack of funding has been responsible for an inability to preserve aircraft regularly… [b]Aircraft become due for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) with time, and not by hours flown, because they are most of the time grounded for unserviceability. The reasons for unserviceability are usually traceable to lack of spares occasioned by insufficient funding.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/air-force.htm

How old is this news? Am sure it's not the current NAF .
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:31am On Aug 22, 2015
Henry120:


Congrats, you posted a 2009 source, citing "evidence" from 2002. Your fairy tale source is 15 years old!







As is custom, No evidence = into the dustbin it goes!








The insinuation you make about SANDF purportedly nine gripen pilots belong to 2010 news. So how does your claim stand while ours has to go down in the dustbin. You are pathetic.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:44am On Aug 22, 2015
Henry120:


[s]-You do not have some of the best HMDs in the world

- You do not have some of the best ATGMs in the world

- You do not have some of the best WVR missiles or Periscope

- Typhoon K, Navistar Maxxpro, Bushmaster, Cougar, Kipri are the worlds best MRAPs

- you do not have some of the best 127mm MRLS

- You do not have some of the best EW suite either

- you do not have some of the best IFVs

You got too much pap clogged around your brain area, hence the current set of delusional rants![/s]

"because i say so"

Provide citations or get out
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:47am On Aug 22, 2015
Henry120:


Congrats, you posted a 2009 source, citing "evidence" from 2002. Your fairy tale source is 15 years old!







As is custom, No evidence = into the dustbin it goes!







Nope

I have posted evidence to support my claims

Your job is now to post evidence that shows that the situation in your airforce has changed.

Until then:

- Nigeria has an Air Force with few functional aircraft

- The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is largely irrelevant.

- As of 2009, most of its fleets were grounded

- its training institutions were constrained with shortages of technical skills such as instructors and institutional facilities.

- the current budgetary allocations to the NAF cannot sustain effective and efficient aircraft maintenance activities.

- Lack of funding has been responsible for an inability to preserve aircraft regularly… Aircraft become due for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) with time, and not by hours flown, because they are most of the time grounded for unserviceability. usually traceable to lack of spares occasioned by insufficient funding.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/air-force.htm

#CheckmateFaggit
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:48am On Aug 22, 2015
Henry120:


No you did not!



Uhhh... what then is the defence web article? Is it a cassava? A potatoe?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:08pm On Aug 22, 2015
patches689:


Nope

I have posted evidence to support my claims

Your job is now to post evidence that shows that the situation in your airforce has changed.

Until then:

- Nigeria has an Air Force with few functional aircraft

- The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is largely irrelevant.

- As of 2009, most of its fleets were grounded

- its training institutions were constrained with shortages of technical skills such as instructors and institutional facilities.

- the current budgetary allocations to the NAF cannot sustain effective and efficient aircraft maintenance activities.

- Lack of funding has been responsible for an inability to preserve aircraft regularly… Aircraft become due for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) with time, and not by hours flown, because they are most of the time grounded for unserviceability. usually traceable to lack of spares occasioned by insufficient funding.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/air-force.htm

#CheckmateFaggit

Congrats your source is a dodgy 15years old link!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:10pm On Aug 22, 2015
Henry120:


-You do not have some of the best HMDs in the world

- You do not have some of the best ATGMs in the world

- You do not have some of the best WVR missiles or Periscope

- Typhoon K, Navistar Maxxpro, Bushmaster, Cougar, Kipri are the worlds best MRAPs

- you do not have some of the best 127mm MRLS

- You do not have some of the best EW suite either

- you do not have some of the best IFVs

You got too much pap clogged around your brain area, hence the current set of delusional rants!
1. Cobra HMD
2. Mokopa and Ingwe
3. A Darter
4. SERO 400 periscope and OMS 100 optronic mast
5. Actually the RG35,33,31, MambaMK5, CasspirMK6, marauder , matador are some of the best MRAPs in the world.
6. Find me more than 3 127mm MLRSs that can fire further than the bateleur.
7. I suggest you read up on our EW suits, you'll be amazed.
8. Badger IFV
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:13pm On Aug 22, 2015
Lezzlie:
Lame defence, Olodo.
What?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 12:23pm On Aug 22, 2015
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40404:sandf-members-to-be-recognised-for-gallantry-after-sudan-incident&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

SANDF members to be recognised for gallantry after Sudan incident


A platoon of South African soldiers from 8 South African Infantry Battalion will be cited for gallantry after being accosted by heavily armed militia in Darfur, Sudan.

On 18 August a team of 37 South African National Defence Force (SANDF) members were escorting an United Nations team on a long range patrol to north of the South African Company Operating Base (COB), Mellit in the Darfur Region of Sudan as part of their deployment with the Unamid peacekeeping mission in the region. The patrol comprised four Mamba Armoured Personnel Carriers (APCs), one Recovery Vehicle and two Land Cruisers. The patrol was to a small village, called Selibilo, 51km north of the base. The team was led by Lieutenant Phiri, a Platoon Commander from 8 South African Infantry Battalion.

On the way back to the COB the team was ambushed by an armed group and a stand-off ensued, SANDF Joint Operations said in a statement. As the protection element of the patrol had passed the ambush point, this allowed the militia to stop the second group behind them. The SANDF said that the militia were aiming an anti-tank weapon and 12.7 mm machineguns at them and had further militia members deployed on a hillside nearby.

The militia fighters then ordered the Section Commander to get out of his vehicle while pointing a weapon at him. Two fighters jumped onto one of the APCs, with one pointing a weapon at the SANDF light machine gun (LMG) gunner whilst a second armed man removed the LMG gunner from the vehicle. They demanded to see the Platoon Commander and when he arrived they ordered him to surrender and give them all their weapons otherwise they would kill everyone. “However, the Platoon Commander, Lt Phiri refused,” the SANDF said.

After two hours of negotiations to return the 7.62mm machinegun, the militia told Phiri that his members were surrounded by eight vehicles from a southerly direction and six others from a northerly direction but Phiri still refused to hand over anything. The militia then took firing positions, prompting Phiri to deploy his troops on the ground in a battle formation. He informed his troops that they would move out of the area with all vehicles, walking alongside the vehicles irrespective of the obstruction by the militia members.

Before the patrol started moving out of the danger area on foot, one of the militia members punctured the rear tyre of one of the UN Land Cruisers. One of the SANDF members observed this and pushed him away from the vehicle, all the while with automatic weapons being pointed at him. Phiri instructed the recovery vehicle to come forward and tow the UN vehicle.

The SANDF Mambas were able to move forward with the troops alongside, with weapons being pointed in both directions. “They safely moved out of the danger area and proceeded back to the base after mounting the vehicles one kilometre from the danger zone. The members who stood their ground in the face of great danger will be cited for their deed of bravery,” the SANDF statement concluded.

Around 2 000 SANDF personnel are currently taking part in peacekeeping operations, as South Africa increases its role in regional conflict resolution and peacekeeping efforts. SANDF troops are deployed in Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

The SANDF has more than 800 troops deployed in Sudan with the African Union and United Nations as part of Unamid (their joint operation in Darfur).

The SANDF has recorded several incidences in Sudan – for instance, on 11 April 2010, four South African UN Police personnel were attacked in South Darfur and abducted and two vehicles stolen. They were released sixteen days later. On 26 August 2010 the South African contingent had one assault rifle stolen.

An attack on a Unamid patrol in North Darfur on 12 November 2012 killed one South African; an attack on a Unamid patrol on 17 October 2012 killed one South African in North Darfur; and an attack on a South African Unamid patrol in North Darfur on 29 October 2014 injured three. The ambush was on a section dispatched from the South African battalion base to collect water.

Earlier this year President Jacob Zuma, as commander-in-chief of the SANDF, extended the South African deployment in Darfur by another 12 months. Keeping the 850 soldiers in Sudan until March 31 next year will cost R369,079,895 for the 12 months.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MduZA: 12:26pm On Aug 22, 2015
Lezzlie:
[s][/s] lame.

Take some pap and come up with something smarter.

voetsek!!!!!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:26pm On Aug 22, 2015
Henry120:


Congrats your source is a dodgy 15years old link!

debunk it

untill you do it stands as fact
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:35pm On Aug 22, 2015
patches689:

debunk it
untill you do it stands as fact
No Source = No bueno.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 12:39pm On Aug 22, 2015
Henry120:

Congrats your source is a dodgy 15years old link!

That source was written in 2012.

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