FighterPilot:


SANDF can wear 20 different uniforms if it wants to but we do not want to stoop to that level of mediocrity. Many militaries in the world have joined our style of wearing only common camo for all armed services. It is very important because it limit potential impersonation from the enemy.

No proof that many militaries around the world are now on one single camo, you sampled all the 150 countries armies around the world?

There is NO WAY one camo can work for an army in green jungle terrain, brown bush terrain, white snow terrain, mixed urban city terrain, yellow sand desert .

Look at your useless SANDF brown camo in a green vegetation terrain, your CLEARLY VISIBLE army will never blend with the environment, snipers will be knocking off your troops coconut heads from 2 km away
.

FighterPilot:
Every SANDF member is issued with a helmet from basic training till to his resignation or retirement and that's compulsory.

Every Nigerian soldier is issued with helmet too, we have more than enough helmets. So why was Patches posting rubbish?

FighterPilot:


Helmets are cheap and we have a lot of them than you can count. There were also reports that some soldiers complained about the heat because most of the countries in central and west Africa are hot.

So Nigerian soldiers too are justified for temporarily removing helmets in semi-desert hot climate. Tell Patches.

agaugust:

So Nigerian soldiers too are justified for temporarily removing helmets in semi-desert hot climate. Tell Patches.

However, I still fail to understand how can your military men still wear private bennies on a scorching sun and still violating dress code by mixing uniform. A cap would have rather been better than a bennie. People wear bennies in cold weather.

Helmets are cheap and even rebels can afford to buy them and even extra ones to play football with. It is only that they are not allowed to make legitimate arms deal with any company.

agaugust:


No proof that many militaries around the world are now on one single camo, you sampled all the 150 countries armies around the world?

There is NO WAY one camo can work for an army in green jungle terrain, brown bush terrain, white snow terrain, mixed urban city terrain, yellow sand desert .

Look at your useless SANDF brown camo in a green vegetation terrain, your CLEARLY VISIBLE army will never blend with the environment, snipers will be knocking off your troops coconut heads from 2 km away
.

SANDF camo works magic at every terrain. It has a pattern that Americans have tried to figure out for many years.

Military camos.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_clothing_camouflage_patterns

agaugust:


Every Nigerian soldier is issued with helmet too, we have more than enough helmets. So why was Patches posting rubbish?

You started it.

iblawi:
Mumu most of your companies can't survive with your problems on Economy, corruption, lazy workers etc. They are leaving your people unemployed and creating jobs for Nigerian. They all see future in Nigeria than in South Africa. We rule the continent mumu.

stop lying, how many pwople are in the middle class bracket in nigeria? fewer than SA

iblawi:
Mumu most of your companies can't survive with your problems on Economy, corruption, lazy workers etc. They are leaving your people unemployed and creating jobs for Nigerian. They all see future in Nigeria than in South Africa. We rule the continent mumu.

SA companies are just venturing outside the shores of the country to expand their business. Now do you want to tell me that Coca-Cola, KFC, VW and BMW were also not doing well in their various countries?

FighterPilot:




SA companies are just venturing outside the shores of the country to expand their business. Now do you want to tell me that Coca-Cola, KFC, VW and BMW were also not doing well in their various countries?

I can provide links to backup his claim ... more recent ones.

iterator24:
I can provide links to backup his claim ... more recent ones.

Man, any business would invest anywhere they see potential and media would only make unfounded statements and speculations. Any business in the world has a mission of seeing themselves expanding to the world.

FighterPilot:



Man, any business would invest anywhere they see potential and media would only make unfounded statements and speculations. Any business in the world has a mission of seeing themselves expanding to the world.

" Mumu most of your companies can't survive with your problems on Economy, corruption, lazy workers etc. They are leaving your people unemployed and creating jobs for Nigerian. They all see future in Nigeria than in South Africa. We rule the continent mumu."

Lezzlie:
No words can do justice in describing your buffoonery -cum- below par deductive reasoning. I should also add sophistry to your list of vices.

ACRIC has nothing to do with ASF. It is Zuma's desperate attempt to leave a legacy other than corruption and ineptitude.

Only 13 countries supports ACIRC so far

South Africa is dying for relevance and are desperate to be seen as what they are not. S.A can't even pull ACIRC off. No money, no troops and no airlifting capabilities.

ACIRC was almost scrapped at the AU meeting held in South Africa but to save the host's face it was shelved.

Read below another excerpt: The idea of a rapid response tool under the AU Commission – as opposed to a region-based ASF – can be an innovative tool, as most conflicts do not neatly fall into regional categorisations. De facto the ACIRC is intended to address gaps and flaws in the existing security architecture.

However, in practice it is confronted with significant challenges that endanger the whole project. At the forefront is political disunity. Although the ACIRC was adopted by the AU assembly it rests only on the support of a minority of African countries.

1. "ACRIC has nothing to do with ASF"

The ACIRC will serve as an interim measure ahead of the establishment of a permanent African Standby Force, which was originally expected to be operational by 2015. Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl

Bah told delegates the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) would become part of the ASF. This means ACIRC, which SA Army Chief Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo said would be operational this month, effectively has a shelf life of six months if the December 2015 deadline for operationalisation is adhered to.

-DefenceWeb

2. "Only 13 countries support ACRIC"

Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl

Weird how all it takes is 13 countries to get something endorsed by the AU...

3. "S.A can't even pull ACIRC off. No money, no troops and no airlifting capabilities"

You want me to post the deployment again? Cuz guess what... we have all of the above.


So, apart from not actually knowing what ACRIC is... you seem to have a problem with ACRIC because South Africa is (as usual) leading the way and Nigeria has yet again been overshadowed.

agaugust:


1. The vice guy wore body armour and many most of our men wore same, we gave him.

2. SANDF wears same uniform because that is the only single camo army has, you have none for jungle terrain like we have. That Konduga battalion was reported by vice news as a mix of different army regiments from different terrain parts of Nigeria, jungle platoons mixed with dessert platoons, yes uniforms must differ.

You post no sources, you just post random photos.

Rag tag SANDF goes to war with soldiers wearing no helmet and some wearing Cricket players team face caps that I see in the stadium
.

1. No, allmost none of your men have body armor

2. SANDF cammo is designed to be used in multiple terrain types. This is a fact. No, uniforms in professional armies generally do not get mixed - only in rag tag militia

Post one citation that the SANDF is lacking standard equipment such as ammo/body armor etc

I have many about nigeria

agaugust:


[s]"The Su-30 MKI fleet of India is fitted with a tarang radar warning receiver RWR indigenously developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su-30mki-multirole-fighter-aircraft-india/

India is NOT Malaysia, all Su-30 flankers have radar warning receiver RWR you goat brain

Patches gets demolished 7 times in 7 days air warfare[/s]
.

Do russian Su30's have RWR?

Citations please

Lol, the only one who is being demolished here is you... we are talking about Russia v USAF and you are posting about Indian SU30's? Clown!?!

agaugust:


Message for @Patches
.

You must have something in order to leave it behind. \


Jackass

agaugust:


No proof that many militaries around the world are now on one single camo, you sampled all the 150 countries armies around the world?

There is NO WAY one camo can work for an army in green jungle terrain, brown bush terrain, white snow terrain, mixed urban city terrain, yellow sand desert .

Look at your useless SANDF brown camo in a green vegetation terrain, your CLEARLY VISIBLE army will never blend with the environment, snipers will be knocking off your troops coconut heads from 2 km away
.

1. We have talked about this, the US military/English/French etc are all only using one cammo type

2. Yes, cammo can work on jungle/desert/Savannah.

3. Yes, generally when you take a close-up picture of a person... you can see the person in the picture.

Stop wasting our time with your childish arguments

agaugust:


Every Nigerian soldier is issued with helmet too, we have more than enough helmets. So why was Patches posting rubbish?

No - Nigerian army is renowend for not issuing men with equipment

Your army is a rag tag militia... men in mismatched cammo, civilian clothing, only an AK47 and one magazine for it

Pathetic

agaugust:


So Nigerian soldiers too are justified for temporarily removing helmets in semi-desert hot climate. Tell Patches.

Your men are not wearing any equipment at all.

iterator24:

" Mumu most of your companies can't survive with your problems on Economy, corruption, lazy workers etc. They are leaving your people unemployed and creating jobs for Nigerian. They all see future in Nigeria than in South Africa. We rule the continent mumu."

Bwahahaha… how do they leave people unemployed as if they are shutting down their businesses in SA. Your comment is very stupid. In fact most of the SA companies that invested in other African countries have most of the branches and headquarters in SA still employing people. They don't shut down their business and relocate it somewhere else. The business remains and all that they do they explore other growing markets in other part of the world.

What SA companies do is that they expatriate all the profit and expand their business in SA by employing more people to make the product that they will subsequently export abroad

agaugust:


1. The vice guy wore body armour and many most of our men wore same, we gave him.

2. SANDF wears same uniform because that is the only single camo army has, you have none for jungle terrain like we have. That Konduga battalion was reported by vice news as a mix of different army regiments from different terrain parts of Nigeria, jungle platoons mixed with dessert platoons, yes uniforms must differ.

You post no sources, you just post random photos.

Rag tag SANDF goes to war with soldiers wearing no helmet and some wearing Cricket players team face caps that I see in the stadium
.

The immediate past Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Alex Badeh (retd.), has said the Army he headed was one with no equipment.
http://www.punchng.com/news/i-headed-an-army-with-no-equipment-badeh/

Stories of Nigerian soldiers running away from Boko Haram militants have been widely reported - but low on ammunition and allocated vehicles that don't work, a former soldier says they are being outgunned and overpowered.

"Imagine me and you are fighting," the soldier tells me. "We both have guns but while you are wearing a bullet proof vest, I'm carrying an umbrella."
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30930767

Even Boko Haram, a rag tag insurgent force, is better equipped than the pathetic disorganzied mob you call an army

FighterPilot:



Bwahahaha… how do they leave people unemployed as if they are shutting down their businesses in SA. Your comment is very stupid. In fact most of the SA companies that invested in other African countries have most of the branches and headquarters in SA still employing people. They don't shut down their business and relocate it somewhere else. The business remains and all that they do they explore other growing markets in other part of the world.

What SA companies do is that they expatriate all the profit and expand their business in SA by employing more people to make the product that they will subsequently export abroad

Guy you are dull cos you only reason from 1 point.

Your citizens are still fighting cos 22,000 workers are about losing there jobs in 1 sector alone, the news is everywhere and your incompetent policemen are killing the workers for protesting.

Your citizens are protesting your Zulu government should start fighting corruption as it is becoming unbearable. That news is also everywhere.

Your economy is not growing and most companies earnings are falling due to low production/output which is Forcing them to retrench workers. Nigeria is there safe heaven.

Your companies are running to Nigeria to survive at the same time creating jobs for Nigerians with the money earned in your country.

So who do you think is losing more, your citizens or ours?

Mumu answer me.

please before accusing or at least excusing any thing,be very sure. Why would anyone be against militaries wearing different camos in THEIR own land.when in my bedroom i wear what i like or at least good for me.but when outside my abode.i wear what suits the outside.resently when the nigerian military(the army)went to mali they all wore desert camos.even far back in the lib-sirl war.they wore the green camo.when fighting outside our borders we were camos that suits the terrain.chess everyone. Even mast ur ba tors.hehe

Patchesagain:


1. "ACRIC has nothing to do with ASF"

The ACIRC will serve as an interim measure ahead of the establishment of a permanent African Standby Force, which was originally expected to be operational by 2015. Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl

Bah told delegates the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) would become part of the ASF. This means ACIRC, which SA Army Chief Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo said would be operational this month, effectively has a shelf life of six months if the December 2015 deadline for operationalisation is adhered to.

-DefenceWeb

2. "Only 13 countries support ACRIC"

Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl

Weird how all it takes is 13 countries to get something endorsed by the AU...

3. "S.A can't even pull ACIRC off. No money, no troops and no airlifting capabilities"

You want me to post the deployment again? Cuz guess what... we have all of the above.


So, apart from not actually knowing what ACRIC is... you seem to have a problem with ACRIC because South Africa is (as usual) leading the way and Nigeria has yet again been overshadowed.

What is the state of continental rapid reaction forces to preemptively stem violence?

In 2003, the AU finalized plans for a rapid reaction unit, the African Standby Force (ASF), that could be deployed around the continent in the event of “grave circumstances.” Yet today, only three of five African regions – Western, Southern, and Eastern Africa – have their brigades ready to deploy. Because of the failure of the ASF to act in the face of state collapse in Mali in 2012 and the Central African Republic in 2013, South Africa proposed a new, slimmer rapid-reaction force, the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC), in July 2013. The ACIRC has been critiqued by some as being remarkably similar to the ASF and thus needlessly duplicative. As such, the AU summit will inevitably discuss the status of these forces: regarding the ASF, there will likely be pressure on countries in North and Central Africa to accelerate their progress, whereas discussions on ACIRC will center on the question of duplication and the current state of contributions.

[size=8pt]
For its part, Nigeria has been steadfast in its assertions that it can address the insurgency alone. Whether the question of external intervention in Nigeria will arise at the AU summit is unclear. While the Boko Haram insurgency is indeed one of the continent’s most pressing security challenges, Nigeria, which is one of the AU’s most powerful members, has historically been quick to foreclose discussions of its domestic problems within the Africa Union. It might veto discussions again.[/size]



The idea of a rapid response tool under the AU Commission – as opposed to a region-based ASF – can be an innovative tool, as most conflicts do not neatly fall into regional categorisations. De facto the ACIRC is intended to address gaps and flaws in the existing security architecture.

However, in practice it is confronted with significant challenges that endanger the whole project. At the forefront is political disunity. Although the ACIRC was adopted by the AU assembly it rests only on the support of a minority of African countries.

So far 13 countries have committed to the project. With the opposition camp being filled with political heavyweights such as Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya or Nigeria (all four are major troop contributors to peacekeeping missions) it is doubtful if the ACIRC can gather enough political momentum and military capability to get off the ground quickly. Additionally South Africa’s spear-heading of the initiative and its leadership ambitions are not well received everywhere.


The second major challenge is the open question of how to harmonise the ACIRC with existing peacekeeping structures such as the ASF: while the ACIRC is supposed to be only a stop-gap instrument until the full operationalisation of the ASF, which from the beginning was supposed to have a rapid response capability, de facto it is much more.

The idea of a rapid response instrument under the direct administration of the AU runs against the design of the ASF which is based on regional support.


There are serious challenges.

Reaction from the continent’s other powerhouse, Nigeria, whose support is indispensable, has been lukewarm despite deputy foreign minister Nuruddeen Mohammed’s assurance that Nigeria was by no means “allergic” to military intervention in resolving crises.

Critics are also concerned that the ACIRC may draw attention away and undermine the investment that has been put into launching the ASF. If the AU has been unable to agree on a standby force for more than a decade it remains doubtful it would be possible to organise a more complex and costly rapid reaction force since the fundamentals are not very different for both of these forces.




Two things are clear: ACIRC is nor meant to morph into the ASF as you claim.

Also the countries supporting ACIRC are so few. All my sources are from YOUR OWN PRESS.


So there we have it, little minded,quivering Patrick. You will always lose.

No matter how hard you try to twist reports and facts, I'll always smoke you out.

South Africa is struggling desperately for relevance my dear boy.

And enjoy this monent; you're living in the midnight hours of the last vestiges of the glory of your masters Botta and De Klerk.

Everything is falling aways fast and south Africa is falling with it.

But you always claim it was a jump not a fall.

It's a long way down to nothing for you

FighterPilot:


You started it.

Nope, Patches started it out of envy of Nigerian army super new kit that's the best in Africa, this photo choked him with envy.

Patchesagain:


Do russian Su30's have RWR?

Citations please

Lol, the only one who is being demolished here is you... we are talking about Russia v USAF and you are posting about Indian SU30's? Clown!?!

Bwahahaaha

Nigerians will ALWAYS defeat you South Africans in any debate on earth.

You first said Su-30 has no radar warning receiver RWR. I proved you wrong.

You changed story and said only Malaysian Su-30 has RWR. We proved you wrong again.

I told you EVERY reasonable jet fighter on earth has a RWR, and every Su-30 Flanker has it, you should have accepted defeat once instead of getting Nigerians to humiliate y.ou 3 times in 3 days.

According to Sukhoi company the manufacturer, Su-30 series are standard built with RWR

" 6.0 Electronic countermeasure equipment
6.1. Radar warning receiver with an expansion block
6.2. Chaff and heat flare dispenser
6.3. Radio jamming transmitter in pod ."

http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su30mk/lth/

You now see why Nigerian brains are 100 times better than the Southie dullards in your top ranked South African universities, we b.eat you ALL THE TIME
.

Patchesagain:


1. We have talked about this, the US military/English/French etc are all only using one cammo type

2. Yes, cammo can work on jungle/desert/Savannah.

3. Yes, generally when you take a close-up picture of a person... you can see the person in the picture.

Stop wasting our time with your childish arguments

1. USA and Europe have not all fully changed to one single camo, we proved that here last year, so don't drag us back. The NATO countries have no plans of going into any African green jungle to fight war, they don't care. Plus the new single camo is still under experiment and field testing, the soldiers are already complaining about poor blending with environment. Also, the new USA single camo is far superior to the tailors roadside textile material used for SANDF brownie uniforms, the USA camo is made to be far more green than brown.

2. South African brown camo is a failure inside African green terrain, it only works in your homeland brown environment. That uniform will get SANDF troops killed in large numbers by snipers in a green vegetation battle theater.

3. See your failed single brown homeland camo and compare Nigerian green jungle camo that we use in jungle terrain.

#ONE CAMO = FAILURE TO BLEND.....your army can only fight at home where land is brown

agaugust:


Nope, Patches started it out of envy of Nigerian army super new kit that's the best in Africa, this photo choked him with envy.

How is it the best in Africa?

agaugust:


1. USA and Europe have not all fully changed to one single camo, we proved that here last year, so don't drag us back. The NATO countries have no plans of going into any African green jungle to fight war, they don't care. Plus the new single camo is still under experiment and field testing, the soldiers are already complaining about poor blending with environment. Also, the new USA single camo is far superior to the tailors roadside textile material used for SANDF brownie uniforms, the USA camo is made to be far more green than brown.

2. South African brown camo is a failure inside African green terrain, it only works in your homeland brown environment. That uniform will get SANDF troops killed in large numbers by snipers in a green vegetation battle theater.

3. See your failed single brown homeland camo and compare Nigerian green jungle camo that we use in jungle terrain.

#ONE CAMO = FAILURE TO BLEND.....your army can only fight at home where land is brown

By next year the US will b using one universal ACU and has already been launched on the July 1.


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/06/02/US-Army-unveils-new-camouflage-combat-uniforms-slated-for-release-next-month/1001433256005/

I told you that our camo paterns works wonders just like a chameleon.

Soldier 2000 camo is not a play my child. Is not copied from China, US or Britain like what many militaries including Nigeria did. SA was not lazy to conduct their own research to come with its own unique pattern.

FighterPilot:


How is it the best in Africa?

Show me an African country with better kits than Nigeria.....
.

FighterPilot:


By next year the US will b using one universal ACU and has already been launched on the July 1.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/06/02/US-Army-unveils-new-camouflage-combat-uniforms-slated-for-release-next-month/1001433256005/

Is South Africa a slave colony of USA so that if they do any wrong thing you must copy them like a slave with no brain of your own?

US Army has changed camo pattern several times in a fruitless search for one single camo for all terrain.

Anyway, the new USA camo is not brown like SANDF camo you dunce, the new US camo is much more of green .

SANDF brown camo is a failure in green jungle. The new USA camo is totally different from yours !

agaugust:


Bwahahaaha

Nigerians will ALWAYS defeat you South Africans in any debate on earth.

You first said Su-30 has no radar warning receiver RWR. I proved you wrong.

You changed story and said only Malaysian Su-30 has RWR. We proved you wrong again.

I told you EVERY reasonable jet fighter on earth has a RWR, and every Su-30 Flanker has it, you should have accepted defeat once instead of getting Nigerians to humiliate y.ou 3 times in 3 days.

According to Sukhoi company the manufacturer, Su-30 series are standard built with RWR

" 6.0 Electronic countermeasure equipment
6.1. Radar warning receiver with an expansion block
6.2. Chaff and heat flare dispenser
6.3. Radio jamming transmitter in pod ."

http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su30mk/lth/

You now see why Nigerian brains are 100 times better than the Southie dullards in your top ranked South African universities, we b.eat you ALL THE TIME
.

Su30MK is the export version

Again, we are talking about the Russian airforce... why are you talking about Su30's operated by India and other export partners?

Do your research and stop wasting my time with childish games