MikeZA: BH is now capable of briefly capturing land.


Nigerian soldiers are still running when BH attacks.

I don't think this army would be able to deal with a sophisticated enemy that can hit with great precision and heavy weapons.

You should start by telling us the land captured, with visual evidence to back it up.

@ thiza
Lmao,lots of talk, no fact to disprove my post. The U.N. Says your army is piss poor, rag tag and undisciplined. Accept it. That is why you didn't head the DRC mission.

patches689:

So you proved that one out of TENS OF THOUSANDS of officers is a fraud?

Well done.

SANDF trains harder than anyone else in Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkGDBczV_Tg

And we have the results to prove it.

Reminder: We killed more enemy in a "defeat" than you have killed BH to this date.

We have one of the longest range sniper kills in recorded history.

We defend towns. You lose towns and watch powerlessly as their inhabitants are slaughtered.

Your enemies parade equipment they have captured from you infront of cameras, while they violate your children.

Seleka? Lol. Seleka engaged you once,killed your men and you retreated home while they paraded their booty.Secondly,we don't keep scores on the boko boys we kill them in dozens per raid and they run off with as many of their dead as possible,just as the Cameroonians have confirmed.Bh know they can't attack any major FG fortification and have switched to low threat targets.Seleka knew they could get SALOANDF to abandon their base.

http://m.voanews.com/a/in-cameroon-bodies-of-boko-haram-fighters-quickly-disappear/1956969.html

http://maxsiollun./2014/07/22/bokoharam-infiltration-into-cameroon/

patches689:

Yes, because we are so heavily involved in AU deployments.

Also, those positions are political not operational

Your man will be flying a desk

The men on the ground will be commanded by their own SANDF commanders

the ones with the combat experience are rolling on wheelchairs.

No, pic related.

On the other hand, Nigerian soldiers with CONVENTIONAL combat experience do not exist... while your "COIN experience" is limited to being unable to defeat RUF for a decaded (and having to be bailed out by the British and the USMC) and fighting BH WHO HAVE BEEN GETTING STRONGER SINCE YOU LAUNCHED YOUR OFFENCIVE.


Plus, the AU as an organization is lead by a South African... so your General will be saluting a South AFrican in anycase.

Boom, two different arguments used to wreck your one myopic argument

bla bla bla bla bla...... I couldn't even finish reading the post cos all I see is whining. who isn't involved in AU deployments. even sierra Leon is in Somalia.

you further revealed your foolishness by calling such a political appointment. did you read the profile of the person appointed and his responsibilities?

and to add to your foolishness, you dare to compare a rotating political seat to a military position. you are frilly a waste of time.

and patches..... this is 2014. an era of counter insurgency and armed rebellions which currently plagues the continent, not conventional wars. wake up man. you can't be that slow.

your loan defence force and country has not paid the ultimate price to be respected militarily and your defence minister who also participated in picking a Nigerian General understands it far better than you. sorry if it hurts you but that's the reality, not all this ramblings of personal opinions on nairaland.

I won't waste time responding to you. your level of reasoning is understood.

dragon2:

Seleka? Lol. Seleka engaged you once,killed your men and you retreated home while they paraded their booty.Secondly,we don't keep scores on the boko boys we kill them in dozens per raid and they run off with as many of their dead as possible,just as the Cameroonians have confirmed.Bh know they can't attack any major FG fortification and have switched to low threat targets.Seleka knew they could get SALOANDF to abandon their base.

and the SALOANDF didn't disappoint. they chartered flights back home to sleep with their wives after losing few men. bloody cowards

You ill-informed fellow Africans....dont ever fool yourselves into thinking that SANDF is inferior to Morocco or Nigerian Armies. Yoooo please dont come here and write jajaragh comments..... SANDF is ranked in the same league with US Army, Russia, etc......here in Africa we can whoop any one *ass* any time we feel like doing so.

Henry120:

You should start by telling us the land captured, with visual evidence to back it up.

1. BH moves unmolested
2. BH occupies land

Boko Haram moves unopposed in strategic Nigerian town

A raid on an army base in north-east Nigeria and massacres of civilians in nearby villages have left Boko Haram free to move unopposed in a strategic garrison town, witnesses and security sources said.

Moving into the area could represent Boko Haram's biggest strategic success since a military offensive dislodged it from several cities and towns in Borno state last year.

Damboa lies on a major highway linking the northern and southern districts of Borno, which borders Cameroon, Chad and Niger. Other areas where the rebels roam freely are more remote.

"Boko Haram has actually taken over our communities," said Andrew Tada, a resident of Attagara village, one of those that emptied out after the weekend attack. "Boko Haram has sacked them and nobody dares go back."

He said residents had fled to the mountains during the attack. When they returned militants had gone but the town was deserted. Boko Haram fighters then set up road blocks.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35577:boko-haram-moves-unopposed-in-strategic-nigerian-town&catid=3:Civil%20Security&Itemid=113

You were saying?

dragon2: @ thiza
Lmao,lots of talk, no fact to disprove my post. The U.N. Says your army is piss poor, rag tag and undisciplined. Accept it. That is why you didn't head the DRC mission.

The U.N. Says your army is piss poor rag tag and undisciplined

Then why are we the biggest contributor and the force acheiving the best results?

Also, please show us where they said that.

That is why you didn't head the DRC mission.

You dont understand polotics do you?

South Africa and Rawanda dont get along

South Africa is a major Congolese ally

Congo and Rawanda hate each other

Tanzania gets along with Rawanda and Congo and is seen as neutral

The fighting is taking place on the border of Rawanda and Congo.

Now, take what I have told you and come up with a conclusion.

Also, the overall commander is a Brazilian.

patches689:

So you proved that one out of TENS OF THOUSANDS of officers is a fraud?

Well done.

SANDF trains harder than anyone else in Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkGDBczV_Tg

And we have the results to prove it.

Reminder: We killed more enemy in a "defeat" than you have killed BH to this date.

We have one of the longest range sniper kills in recorded history.

We defend towns. You lose towns and watch powerlessly as their inhabitants are slaughtered.

Your enemies parade equipment they have captured from you infront of cameras, while they violate your children.

You wrote a report and lied to yourselves. There were reporters from Aljazeera, France24, the BBC and TVC (from nigeria) on the ground in CAR. None of these reporters could verify the lies, your lying force put out. It is strange.


You want me to start posting Seleka rebels crusing in your equipment. You should start by showing us the town(s) captured by boko-haram.

patches689:

1. BH moves unmolested
2. BH occupies land

Boko Haram moves unopposed in strategic Nigerian town

A raid on an army base in north-east Nigeria and massacres of civilians in nearby villages have left Boko Haram free to move unopposed in a strategic garrison town, witnesses and security sources said.

Moving into the area could represent Boko Haram's biggest strategic success since a military offensive dislodged it from several cities and towns in Borno state last year.

Damboa lies on a major highway linking the northern and southern districts of Borno, which borders Cameroon, Chad and Niger. Other areas where the rebels roam freely are more remote.

"Boko Haram has actually taken over our communities," said Andrew Tada, a resident of Attagara village, one of those that emptied out after the weekend attack. "Boko Haram has sacked them and nobody dares go back."

He said residents had fled to the mountains during the attack. When they returned militants had gone but the town was deserted. Boko Haram fighters then set up road blocks.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35577:boko-haram-moves-unopposed-in-strategic-nigerian-town&catid=3:Civil%20Security&Itemid=113

You were saying?

Can you attach just just one photo to this report. Just one.

dragon2:

Seleka? Lol. Seleka engaged you once,killed your men and you retreated home while they paraded their booty.Secondly,we don't keep scores on the boko boys we kill them in dozens per raid and they run off with as many of their dead as possible,just as the Cameroonians have confirmed.Bh know they can't attack any major FG fortification and have switched to low threat targets.Seleka knew they could get SALOANDF to abandon their base.

http://m.voanews.com/a/in-cameroon-bodies-of-boko-haram-fighters-quickly-disappear/1956969.html

http://maxsiollun./2014/07/22/bokoharam-infiltration-into-cameroon/

Seleka? Lol. Seleka engaged you once,killed your men and you retreated home while they paraded their booty.

1. We lost 13 men, they lost between 400 and 800
2. Our lost "booty" is a single damaged Ghecko utility vehicle that was abandoned during the initial ambush
3. They requested a cease fire
4. We wanted to invade (we had a whole Bn plus Gripen and Rooivalk in Northern Congo for such purposes), but the relevant regional body would not support us. That doesnt sound like retreat
5. We werent there to defend the Capital in the first place

Should I start posting all the instances where Nigerian soldiers ran away in their own country and allowed BH to slaughter their own civilians?

Bh know they can't attack any major FG fortification and have switched to low threat targets.

Multiple instances of BH attacking hard targets have been posted (i just posted one)

And dont forget BH overran your airforce base and destroyed half your helicopter fleet.

Seleka knew they could get SALOANDF to abandon their base.

Yes. when you have 4000 men you should be able to defeat 200.

(Great argument, ya dingus)

Call us when BH stops humiliating you. As I have said before: Every day is the Battle of Bangui for the Nigerian Army

Henry120:

Can you attach just just one photo to this report. Just one.

I dont have to.

The words in the report are clear.

Stop changing the burden of proof to try escape the hole you have dug for yourself.

Henry120:

You wrote a report and lied to yourselves. There were reporters from Aljazeera, France24, the BBC and TVC (from nigeria) on the ground in CAR. None of these reporters could verify the lies, your lying force put out. It is strange.


You want me to start posting Seleka rebels crusing in your equipment. You should start by showing us the town(s) captured by boko-haram.

Yes, a world respected Military analyst and one of the biggest critics of the SANDF just "lied".

Facts are facts, and we have many.

Post all the pictures you want of one captured utility vehicle. I can post pictures of your boy from BH posing infront of 3 captured NA ARMORED VEHICLES - one of which is your famed Cobra.

chris365:

bla bla bla bla bla...... I couldn't even finish reading the post cos all I see is whining. who isn't involved in AU deployments. even sierra Leon is in Somalia.

you further revealed your foolishness by calling such a political appointment. did you read the profile of the person appointed and his responsibilities?

and to add to your foolishness, you dare to compare a rotating political seat to a military position. you are frilly a waste of time.

and patches..... this is 2014. an era of counter insurgency and armed rebellions which currently plagues the continent, not conventional wars. wake up man. you can't be that slow.

your loan defence force and country has not paid the ultimate price to be respected militarily and your defence minister who also participated in picking a Nigerian General understands it far better than you. sorry if it hurts you but that's the reality, not all this ramblings of personal opinions on nairaland.

I won't waste time responding to you. your level of reasoning is understood.

your loan defence force and country has not paid the ultimate price to be respected militarily

Except that time we spent 26 years kicking the sh1t out of 60 000 Cubans and 120 000 MPLA with only 4000 men? Or that same period of time when we annihilated PLAN so badly they were a non-entity until the last days of the war? Or when we captured most of Angola with only a handfull of men?

Lets not compare military histories. Ours stretches back to the trenches of WW1 and beyond. Yours only to Biafra in the 1960s.

We have fought more battles than Nigerian soldiers have killed BH.

The rest of your post is drivel.

Btw, your General is also in a rotating post. And whilst on his rotation, he will be saluting a South African

patches689:

I dont have to.

The words in the report are clear.

Stop changing the burden of proof to try escape the hole you have dug for yourself.

The burden of proof is on you to show pictorial evidence of captured towns. Did you not see captured towns in ukriane and Iraq?

How do so called reporters verify information, when they are in lagos or Abuja, and not on the ground in the north-east.

There is no active mobile phone service in borno state.

The military controls the flow of information from borno state.



Just a single photo.


In the U.S peeps run around their hoods killing people everyday, the murder rate in south-africa is even worse off.


On this matter, add a single verifiable photo.


Or is this the same as 3.3 million people been displaced in a city of 2.4 million people.

chris365:
and patches..... this is 2014. an era of counter insurgency and armed rebellions which currently plagues the continent, not conventional wars. wake up man. you can't be that slow.

South Africa has more COIN experience and conventional experience.

We are also better equipped for either.

Again, your argument meets a dead end.

patches689:

So you proved that one out of TENS OF THOUSANDS of officers is a fraud?

Well done.

SANDF trains harder than anyone else in Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkGDBczV_Tg

And we have the results to prove it.

Reminder: We killed more enemy in a "defeat" than you have killed BH to this date.

We have one of the longest range sniper kills in recorded history.

We defend towns. You lose towns and watch powerlessly as their inhabitants are slaughtered.

Your enemies parade equipment they have captured from you infront of cameras, while they violate your children.

Colonel William Dixon. The boys in CAR were commanded by this man.

As you can see his passing on latest battlefield knowledge.

patches689:


Facts are facts, and we have many.

Post all the pictures you want of one captured utility vehicle.

Good, you've verified that your vehicles and geckos were captured by Seleka.

Henry120:

The burden of proof is on you to show pictorial evidence of captured towns. Did you not see captured towns in ukriane and Iraq?

How do so called reporters verify information, when they are in lagos or Abuja, and not on the ground in the north-east.

There is no active mobile phone service in borno state.

The military controls the flow of information from borno state.



Just a single photo.


In the U.S peeps run around their hoods killing people everyday, the murder rate in south-africa is even worse off.


On this matter, add a single verifiable photo.


Or is this the same as 3.3 million people been displaced in a city of 2.4 million people.

You asked for proof you have it. You want a photo? Go take one yourself.

The burden of proof was never to show pictures, the burden of proof is to provide.... PROOF. Which is exactly what I have done.

The report is:

1. Fresh
2. Clear
3. Unambiguous
4. Factual

The burden of proof rests on you now, show us counter-evidence that the facts contained in said report are false.

If you wish to make ludicrous claims then I shall have to assume that you have conceded defeat.

Henry120:

Good, you've verified that your vehicles and geckos were captured by Seleka.

Nope, one Gecko was captured - and according to what was heard before parliament, it was most likely one that was donated to Bozize's soldiers.
http://www.pmg.org.za/report/20130404-defence-minister-central-african-republic-sa-soldier-deployment

Soft skinned vehicals did not belong to us so who gives a fvck?

Its not like they captured any prized armored vehicles

Henry120:

Good, you've verified that your vehicles and geckos were captured by Seleka.

. No vehicles were captured. What was captured are Cobra vehicles from your army.

The Hilux army is a joke.

patches689:

You asked for proof you have it. You want a photo? Go take one yourself.

The burden of proof was never to show pictures, the burden of proof is to provide.... PROOF. Which is exactly what I have done.

The report is:

1. Fresh
2. Clear
3. Unambiguous
4. Factual

The burden of proof rests on you now, show us counter-evidence that the facts contained in said report are false.

If you wish to make ludicrous claims then I shall have to assume that you have conceded defeat.

Why, of course, I'll post it.

A report you claim is factual was made by reporters who cannot call into borno state, are not in borno state and in an Age where there is facebook, twitter, youtube, flickr, instagram and nairaland.


I didn't ask for "any proof". I said provide proof with visual evidence. It's a simple enough demand........... I suppose.

patches689:

You asked for proof you have it. You want a photo? Go take one yourself.

The burden of proof was never to show pictures, the burden of proof is to provide.... PROOF. Which is exactly what I have done.

The report is:

1. Fresh
2. Clear
3. Unambiguous
4. Factual

The burden of proof rests on you now, show us counter-evidence that the facts contained in said report are false.

If you wish to make ludicrous claims then I shall have to assume that you have conceded defeat.

We won’t concede any state to Boko Haram –DHQ

July 22, 2014 by Everest Amaefule 80 Comments
   

 







Director of Defence Information, Maj.-Gen Chris Olukolade.

| credits: www.nigeriancurrent.com

Security agencies in the country have vowed that they will not concede any state of the federation to the Boko Haram Islamic sect or any other terrorist organisation.

The Director of Defence Information, Maj. Gen. Chris Olukolade, made the pledge at a press briefing in Abuja on Monday. The occasion was organised by the National Information Centre, chaired by the Director General of the National Orientation Agency, Mr. Mike Omeri.

Olukolade said, “We are not conceding any part of this country to any terrorist group. The Nigerian security agencies are active and will reverse every form of insecurity wherever. It won’t be stampeded by what is found on the social media.

“The fact remains that we are not conceding any of the state to terrorists. We are committed to securing Nigeria as mandated by the constitution and no group will be allowed to raise any flag in any part of the country. If you see someone hiding a flag under his bed and you want me to confirm it here; that is not possible.”

MikeZA: . No vehicles were captured. What was captured are Cobra vehicles from your army.

The Hilux army is a joke.

Any Seleka crusing in geckos and SANDF utility trucks are what exactly?


Not only do we use hilux trucks, the SANDF also parade in them, including multiple other militaries across the globe.

We have hundreds of cobras, VBL's, streits, cv3 bigfoots, Igirigi's in service. Really, we do not lack armoured vehicles.

Henry120:

Why, off course, I'll post it.

A report you claim is factual was made by reporters who cannot call into borno state, are not in borno state and in an Age where there is facebook, twitter, youtube, flickr, instagram and nairaland.


I didn't ask for "any proof". I said provide proof with visual evidence. It's a simple enough demand........... I suppose.

they got it from the horses mouth:

"Boko Haram has actually taken over our communities," said Andrew Tada, a resident of Attagara village, one of those that emptied out after the weekend attack. "Boko Haram has sacked them and nobody dares go back."

A soldier posted on the main road leading out of Damboa said a military offensive was underway to clear the Islamists out but there had been no security forces in the area for two weeks.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35577:boko-haram-moves-unopposed-in-strategic-nigerian-town&catid=3:Civil%20Security&Itemid=113

Yet again, Nigerians stick their heads in the ground and refuse to accept proof that their military is incompetent and failing in the war against BH.

dragon2: @ thiza
Lmao,lots of talk, no fact to disprove my post. The U.N. Says your army is piss poor, rag tag and undisciplined. Accept it. That is why you didn't head the DRC mission.

1. Poor: the SANDF spends more money on training soldiers than your defence force meaning you're the poor force.

2. Rag Tag: Your soldiers during attacks by BH run like crazy for their dear lives,no cohesiveness both physical and psychologically. Where are your sergeants?. Your defence force is rag tag force.

3. Discipline: what discipline when your army is still executing prisoners?

patches689:

South Africa has more COIN experience and conventional experience.

We are also better equipped for either.

Again, your argument meets a dead end.

How does this relate to been better equipped, your military is a goddamn retirement home.


"the 2012 Defence Review, says the SANDF is “critically deficient in the skill, motivation, and ethos that is required to operate"


"South Africa has the oldest infantry troops in the world"
. Lol.... The SANDF is a retirement home.

Henry120:

Any Seleka crusing in geckos and SANDF utility trucks are what exactly?


Not only do we use hilux trucks, the SANDF also parade in them, including multiple other militaries across the globe.

We have hundreds of cobras, VBL's, streits, cv3 bigfoots, Igirigi's in service. Really, we do not lack armoured vehicles.

Any Seleka crusing in geckos and SANDF utility trucks are what exactly?

1 singular Gecko that was donated to the CAR. Soft Skinned vehicals that did not belong to us and could be from any source.

Really, we do not lack armoured vehicles.
Well you have 3 less (at least)

Not only do we use hilux trucks, the SANDF also parade in them, including multiple other militaries across the globe.

Yeah, we use them for border policing and peace keeping in low risk areas. You use them on the front.

Which I understand since you lack MRAP's

patches689:

they got it from the horses mouth:

"Boko Haram has actually taken over our communities," said Andrew Tada, a resident of Attagara village, one of those that emptied out after the weekend attack. "Boko Haram has sacked them and nobody dares go back."

A soldier posted on the main road leading out of Damboa said a military offensive was underway to clear the Islamists out but there had been no security forces in the area for two weeks.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35577:boko-haram-moves-unopposed-in-strategic-nigerian-town&catid=3:Civil%20Security&Itemid=113

Yet again, Nigerians stick their heads in the ground and refuse to accept proof that their military is incompetent and failing in the war against BH.

"Boko-haram have taken over our communities" said Henry120 a resident of a town you've not seen (since you're in lagos), cannot speak to (since there is no mobile service in borno), cannot show a single photo to proof his village has been taken, since there are over 120 million mobile phone users in nigeria.




So stup1d can you get. How do they verify this ridiculous reports. How?

Henry120:

How does this relate to been better equipped, your military is a goddamn retirement home.


"the 2012 Defence Review, says the SANDF is “critically deficient in the skill, motivation, and ethos that is required to operate"


"South Africa has the oldest infantry troops in the world"
. Lol.... The SANDF is a retirement home.

Yes, average age of 33 in 2010. "So old"

And the URTP and MSDS are remedying the situation as we speak

How does this relate to been better equipped

We have allready proven we are better equipped.

"the 2012 Defence Review, says the SANDF is “critically deficient in the skill, motivation, and ethos that is required to operate"

Yes, to our 1st world standards.

Your standards are much lower, so you wouldent have a problem.

Henry120:

Any Seleka crusing in geckos and SANDF utility trucks are what exactly?


Not only do we use hilux trucks, the SANDF also parade in them, including multiple other militaries across the globe.

We have hundreds of cobras, VBL's, streits, cv3 bigfoots, Igirigi's in service. Really, we do not lack armoured vehicles.

Your army lacks armoured vehicles most of them aren't operational because of your poor decisions when it comes to acquisitions and maintenance.

The SANDF has a lot of armoured vehicles than your force by our force is smaller.

The SANDF has thousands of armoured and infantry fighting vehicles.

The Hilux army is weak.