@oyb- research how The Great Depression in america was ended. Through the building of infastructure and factories.

platinumnk:

^^ There are a lot of people who can care less about the welfare of others, as long as they make their personal gain.

What do we gain with staying together?
Two main groups that seek seperation?

Believe me, there are people who care, they need to be granted a better opportunity.


Look at Korea, what happened to South Korea and North Korea?

Even China Mainland and Hongkong

As long as people form over the new Blackberry, they wont stand up to the reason why there is no electricty to charge it.

SO i guess the people,the ones that care about this country are people like you that feel it is better we separate.

What do we gain for staying together ?

And my own question is how will your separation bring about a miracle. You may be as deluded and confused as Gaddafi who has probably the slightest idea on how the separation or break up will miraculously solve all our problems.

By the way how may countries are you suggesting we break up into ? And what will form the basis and determining factor ? Or are you also suggesting we follow your deluded break up leader's , Gaddafi opinion we break up into 2 based on religious divide.

What a set of deluded goons

Leave platimuk, because she graded road in her village suddenly 10 million Nigerians should die to break up the country and we don't even know if the south will be like north korea. One family with loads of money seizing power and enriching their family, its just shows how naive you lot are and how you lack accurate knowledge of how things work in this country.

^^Funny how you didnt mention South Korea

Always afraid of "what ifs"
After 50 Years you still want to continue this foolishness?


Give it time, lol your delusion is becoming Reality

hatch#:

SO i guess the people,the ones that care about this country are people like you that feel it is better we separate. 

What do we gain for staying together ?   

And my own question is how will your separation bring about a miracle. You may be as deluded and confused as Gaddafi who has probably the slightest idea on how the separation or break up will miraculously solve all our problems.

By the way how may countries are you suggesting we break up into ? And what will form the basis and determining factor ?  Or are you also suggesting we follow your deluded break up leader's , Gaddafi opinion we break up into 2 based on religious divide.

What a set of deluded goons   

You seem to have no solutions on how we can live together amicably other than random rants.

I base my theory on facts, on a particular pattern that has been the trend before and after independence.

When an article is written thousands of miles away in Europe, Muslim hordes start massacring Igbos in the North, when a journalist who we have never seen talk less of interacted with makes a random comment about Islam , Igbos are the casualty of slaughter, when a Dutch journalist draws an offensive sketch about Muhammad, Igbos going about their peaceful businesses in the North become victims of human carnage

I lived in the North as a student and as a corper, I interacted with those Igbos whose parents lived in Kano during the pre-Biafra war era, I know what I have seen and how I narrowly escaped death during a certain riot.

This has not happened once or twice but hundreds of times since the 60s, it shows a lack of repentant behaviour toward these despicable acts of genocide and massacres.

Are you asking me for the sake of so called fake peace to live in the same house with someone I know is plotting my downfall?

Please speak for yourself and your experiences and stop generalising this whole affair. All this naïve piece of journalism is getting you nowhere,

New International Version (©1984)
While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

platinumnk:

^^Funny how you didnt mention South Korea

Always afraid of "what ifs"
After 50 Years you still want to continue this foolishness?


Give it time, lol your delusion is becoming Reality

Interesting you form an analogy with South Korea and North Korea when these two countries have a track record of successs. Even North Korea is 10 times more developed than anywhere in Nigeria. The only difference is that they are socialist/communist.

LOL, this is so much different than the Nigerian situation. Moreover the Korean situation was a result of the second world war. further, I am always skeptical of any analogy because they are more often than not spurious in nature.

frosbel:


You seem to have no solutions on how we can live together amicably other than random rants.

I base my theory on facts, on a particular pattern that has been the trend before and after independence.

When an article is written thousands of miles away in Europe, Muslim hordes start massacring Igbos in the North, when a journalist who we have never seen talk less of interacted with makes a random comment about Islam , Igbos are the casualty of slaughter, when a Dutch journalist draws an offensive sketch about Muhammad, Igbos going about their peaceful businesses in the North become victims of human carnage

I lived in the North as a student and as a corper, I interacted with those Igbos whose parents lived in Kano during the pre-Biafra war era, I know what I have seen and how I narrowly escaped death during a certain riot.

This has not happened once or twice but hundreds of times since the 60s, it shows a lack of repentant behaviour toward these despicable acts of genocide and massacres.

Are you asking me for the sake of so called fake peace to live in the same house with someone I know is plotting my downfall?

Please speak for yourself and your experiences and stop generalising this whole affair. All this naïve piece of journalism is getting you nowhere,

New International Version (©1984)
While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

Hmm. how are the hausa/northereners plotting your downfall? Nigeria is still a tribal nation after 50 years and that its situation looks ok to me. You mentioned that Igbo people are being slaughtered in the North, but is it because they are igbo or because they are christians. You interacted with igbo people but did you try and find out from hausa people themselves why they used to kill igbo people in the north.

By the way separating would serve no different solution, than all the igbo people moving back to alaigbo and staying there, so why not seek the alternative.

SEFAGO:



Hmm. how are the hausa/northereners plotting your downfall? Nigeria is still a tribal nation after 50 years and that its situation looks ok to me. You mentioned that Igbo people are being slaughtered in the North, but is it because they are igbo or because they are christians. You interacted with igbo people but did you try and find out from hausa people themselves why they used to kill igbo people in the north.

By the way separating would serve no different solution, than all the igbo people moving back to alaigbo and staying there, so why not seek the alternative.

@ frosbel

I have said it time and time that this frosbel is nothing but a tribal ethnic bigot who blames all the woes of his people on the hausa / muslim / north.
Its intersting that people like him sit far away in Uk and call for a deluded breakup from the comfort of Daddy's crib far far away.

You think sey na beans abi ?

First of all conquer this your hate then gradually you will see reason. All these toy internet soldiers can always make this kind of break up noise
You are lucky that the internet provides you a medium to express your deluded thoughts. In the real world people like you would have been
charged with treason for instigating such.

Any way toothless bulldogs like you are nothing different from Gaddafi. Deluded and confused

platinumnk:

^^Funny how you didnt mention South Korea

Always afraid of "what ifs"
After 50 Years you still want to continue this foolishness?


Give it time, lol your delusion is becoming Reality

Why mention south korea when I see the lights of what the odili's can do. Your delusion makes you think they will become saints when we break up, I laugh in igbo and hausa. Just come to Nigeria and lead the CHARGE I PROMISE TO ESCORT YOU TO ASO ROCK.

Chrisbenogor:

Just come to Nigeria and lead the CHARGE I PROMISE TO ESCORT YOU TO ASO ROCK.

Are you indirectly identifying one the many issues with Nigeria? The clampdown on freedom of expression and speaking out against the government? Nice.

Why do someone have to come down before change can be made?

I gave a very good example before, which is - During a period of War, the people that actually make the decisions as to where to attack and what not do not engage in the battle, but their decisions are vital.

When these our toy internet soldiers who are from this Pro "Nigeria must- break - up" camp decide to buy their return tickets to take the lead then i guess we will take them seriously.
[list]
[li] Elrazur[/li]
[li]frosbel[/li]
[li] platinumnk[/li]
[li]Ezeuche[/li]
[/list]

Until then,we can assume that it is the same old noise from the same old gang ! 

hatch#:

When these our toy internet soldiers who are from this Pro "Nigeria must- break - up" camp deide to buy their return tickets to take the lead then i guess we will take them seriously.
[list]
[li] Elrazur[/li]
[li]frosbel[/li]
[li] platinumnk[/li]
[li]Ezeuche[/li]
[/list]

Until then,we can assume that its the same noise from the same old gang !

It get boring going round and round in circles. While I believe time is ripe for another way, I think most people back at home will probably feel the same.

I am not actively advocating for war, however there is a big possibility there could be a civil war if Nigerians opt to break up Nigeria because of the resources and interest etc. At this point, I think it is better to embrace any possible outcome - even if that means war - than continuously going down the same way in like we have in the past 5 decades.

Again you and a few others do not seem to realise that everyone of us do not have to come home to lead a war perse. War can be fought in many ways, please remember that for next time.

ElRazur:


It get boring going round and round in circles. While I believe time is ripe for another way, I think most people back at home will probably feel the same.

I am not actively advocating for war, however there is a big possibility there could be a civil war if Nigerians opt to break up Nigeria because of the resources and interest etc. At this point, I think it is better to embrace any possible outcome - even if that means war - than continuously going down the same way in like we have in the past 5 decades.

Again you and a few others do not seem to realise that everyone of us do not have to come home to lead a war perse. War can be fought in many ways, please remember that for next time.

Clown, Listen to your self talk !
Very sad that people like you choose to talk like a compass from the 4 cardinal points of your mouth.

# Confused and deluded ! thats what you are.

hatch#:

Clown, Listen to your self talk !
Very sad that people like you choose to talk like a compass from the 4 cardinal points of your mouth.

# Confused and deluded ! thats what you are.

I think you should go back to read my post in the original thread.

Again, there is a difference between actively seeking war - warmongering - and saying if war happens then it happens. Surely, you can see these are two different things?

The fact remains, I do not have to be at home to fight IF there is a war. Wars can be fought in many ways. There is nothing rubbish about what am saying, but I guess if you cannot counter my points after removing the misconception you have, it is cool to attack the man right? It is called ad hominem.

Eziachi:

This is a sordid argument we have heard for ages but it doesn’t hold any water. The reason those governors don’t do much is because their ruler ship are based on the rules of those that gives them the monthly allocation. They are governed and guided by the culture of Nigeria and not the culture of the East instilled in us through our inherited cultures and traditions. (Omenani/Nso Ani)
What is the culture of Nigeria? Nigeria don’t have a culture, let alone the one that can guide a leader, hence they made up their own as they go along and sometimes influence by other external factors, like in the north where religion is their guiding principle, hence their clamour for Sharia law.  How many Western states were clamouring for Sharia irrespective of high rate of Moslems among them?
 The last time we had governments in the West/East under Chief Awo and Michael Okpara guided by our culture and tradition, the result was wonderful performances in term of achievements, as their governments based in Ibadan and Enugu is made at home and nearer to the people and not answerable to external forces as found with those of today, that only answers to their Abuja lords that manufactured them and imposed them on the people.
As I kept asking people like you, would OBJ have ever made it as a head of state of an Odua nation?  But it was Nigeria that made it possible for him to rule even twice, what does that tell you, when you start using present governor created by Nigeria as a measure of what the leadership of the merging nations will be?
Can you imagine SOMEONE like Ohakim of Imo state anywhere nears the leadership of a possible Biafra state or Yar Adua ahead of Buhari if isolated in an Arewa nation? Never!

I dont think the delusional ones would read and understand this piece.
Very easy to comprehend.

hatch#:

Clown, Listen to your self talk !
Very sad that people like you choose to talk like a compass from the 4 cardinal points of your mouth.

# Confused and deluded ! thats what you are.

Hatch you are a typical dictator, those who do not agree with you should be charged with treason. God forbid that someone like you should ever smell the corridors of power.

It is specifically people like you in the same brand as Mugabe et al that totally hate any challenge to their narrow line of thought and subdue opposition even if it involves violence.

We all have diverse contributions to make to Nigeria be it at home or abroad, and when the times comes we will play our part.

And if you have read carefully my comments you will realise that I have never recommended or advocated for war.

I have my opinions and you have yours, lets practise the civilised concept of mutual respect.

Finally I do not hate people of Northern origin or background otherwise that will render my christian ethic useless. I am only concerned about the plight of Christians and Igbos who bear the brunt of slaughterings in the Northern region whenever a remotely connected issue occurs elsewhere and upsets our muslims brothers .

For now leave us alone jo and go and implement your one NIGERIA , lol.

ElRazur:



Are you indirectly identifying one the many issues with Nigeria? The clampdown on freedom of expression and speaking out against the government? Nice.

Why do someone have to come down before change can be made?

I gave a very good example before, which is - During a period of War, the people that actually make the decisions as to where to attack and what not do not engage in the battle, but their decisions are vital.

And the only way to change that is to spill close to ten million lives excluding yours abi?
You just pronounced yourself a spineless soldier wanting to lead a war, don't worry if you come platimuk and frosbel will be giving the orders and then you and your family members will carry them out. YOU MY FRIEND ARE A BLOODY NIGERIAN, you are SELFISH and what you are doing reeks of cowardice!

Chrisbenogor:

And the only way to change that is to spill close to ten million lives excluding yours abi?
You just pronounced yourself a spineless soldier wanting to lead a war, don't worry if you come platimuk and frosbel will be giving the orders and then you and your family members will carry them out. YOU MY FRIEND ARE A BLOODY NIGERIAN, you are SELFISH and what you are doing reeks of cowardice!

For you warmongers there are more peaceful ways to resolve our issues.

Do not think war, war and war, think solution, solution and solution.

frosbel:

For you warmongers there are more peaceful ways to resolve our issues.

Do not think war, war and war, think solution, solution and solution.

OK Justice of peace, can you tell us how you intend to split the country in peace?

Chrisbenogor:

And the only way to change that is to spill close to ten million lives excluding yours abi?
You just pronounced yourself a spineless soldier wanting to lead a war, don't worry if you come platimuk and frosbel will be giving the orders and then you and your family members will carry them out. YOU MY FRIEND ARE A BLOODY NIGERIAN, you are SELFISH and what you are doing reeks of cowardice!

Do you want a blunt answer or want it sugar coated?

Here, I do not do candy post. Again look at the bigger picture instead of focusing on me. I want a better Nigeria and will gladly embrace an alternative solution even if it means war.

If the lives of people [Including mine] have to be scarified for the greater good, then yes so be it. The difference between you and me is this - You are okay with people pretending things is working in Nigeria, even after 50 years of trying. On the other hand, I am not. I am being realistic.

If anyone is self-fish here, it is you. You are happy with wallowing in the same path that have yielded little or nothing in the past 50 years. On the other hand, I am tired of the same path way and you seem to have a problem with this.  

Yes I appreciate that there may be war and I stated that I have no problem with that. How that makes me spineless is beyond me. I suppose your problem is the fact that I am vocal about my opinion and I just happen to live outside Nigeria?   What a flawed approach.

They say the it gets darkest just before down, perhaps we are already heading into the darkest section of Nigeria's history? Hopefully, it will be a dawn for the better where people are not forced to be part of what they may not want to be.

Chrisbenogor:

OK Justice of peace, can you tell us how you intend to split the country in peace?

Easy

Plan 1 or total separation


1. National Referendum to agree or disagree, obviously the greater vote wins

2. UN, EU, AU AND Ecowas Brokered agreement to separate with clearly marked borders

3. Fair and equitable distribution of natural and mineral resources.


Plan 2

Regional based decentralised government

1. Every region responsible for their budgetary,economic and internal security affairs.

2. Federal government is responsible for military affairs and oversees the fair and equitable allocation of resources.

3. Once again will require an internationally brokered agreement.


The lists under each plans are not exhaustive.

Chrisbenogor:

OK Justice of peace, can you tell us how you intend to split the country in peace?

How can it be when we have people like you that appears to want to keep holding people together in a relation they do not want to be a part off?

Anyway, there are ways and there are ways, however I do not think splitting up will be peaceful. But then, who knows?

oya commence splitting - berlin conference episode II

ElRazur:

Do you want a blunt answer or want it sugar coated?

Here, I do not do candy post. Again look at the bigger picture instead of focusing on me. I want a better Nigeria and will gladly embrace an alternative solution even if it means war.

[b]If the lives of people [Including mine] have to be scarified for the greater good, then yes so be it. The difference between you and me is this - You are okay with people pretending things is working in Nigeria, even after 50 years of trying. On the other hand, I am not. I am being realistic.

If anyone is self-fish here, it is you. You are happy with wallowing in the same path that have yielded little or no in the past 50 years. On the other hand, I am tired of the same path way and you seem to have a problem with this.

Yes I appreciate that there may be war and I stated that I have no problem with that. How that makes me spineless is beyond me. I suppose your problem is the fact that I am vocal about my opinion and I just happen to live outside Nigeria? What a flawed approach.

They say the it gets darkest just before down, perhaps we are already heading into the darkest section of Nigeria's history? Hopefully, it will be a dawn for the better where people are not forced to be part of what they may not want to be.[/b]

+100000000000000000000000000000000000 (wheres the infinty symbol)

ym me joo!

for those of us laboring under the illusion that spliting nigeria will lead to an end to bloodletting . . . interesting thread - you'll get to see ezeuche talking out of the other side of his mouth


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-416730.0.html


http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=169074

Ebonyi Communal Clash Claims More Lives
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http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=169074

"By Chinedu Eze, 03.21.2010

The communal clash between the people of Ezillo clan who are the aborigines and the Ezza settlers over struggle for land has claimed four prominent people from Cross Rive State. The quartet were burnt to death during the week on an emissary to the troubled community.


Report said mercenaries allegedly employed by the Ezzas killed and burnt to death the victims who were on their way to Ogoja through the Enugu-Abakaliki highway that cuts through the warring community and that their four-wheel-drive vehicle with the number, LN 304 AAA, belonging to a director in the Federal Civil Service who was also killed in the incident, was also burnt down.
THISDAY learnt that Cross River State Government sent a delegation to Ebonyi State Government on Tuesday, protesting the killings and the state government is striving to end the crisis by any possible means.


Besides the aforementioned, other killings have been taking place along the highway and in the various villages of the community.
According to eye witness account, the crisis is still on-going in spite of all the efforts to end it because the Ezzas who have dominant population in the state refused to resettle in portion of land given to them by the state government, while the Ezillo people defiantly insisted that the Ezzas, known as Ezza Ezillos must leave the community.


The clash which started on May 10, 2008 has claimed more than 600 lives with property worth more than N1 billion destroyed.
A senior official of the Ebonyi state government told THISDAY that efforts made by the state government to reconcile the two warring clans ended in futility as political interests seem to have suffused the major reason why the crisis started, which is the resistant of the Ezillos against alleged plan of the Ezza settlers to take over the community by their superior population and overwhelming wealth.


But the Ezzas have dismissed the fears, alleging that the Ezillos had always wanted to force them out of the community, which became their home way back in the 1930s, when their great grand fathers were invited to help Ezillos fight their neighbours in the enduring struggle for land.
A prominent son of Ezillo and a public servant in the state told THISDAY at the weekend that Ezillo people are eager to make peace, complaining that Ezza people have engaged in guerilla warfare to exterminate the Ezillos, adding that to make peace both parties should make sacrifices.

THISDAY also gathered that the Ezzas who rejected the place given to them in the community by the state government, arguing that it was a stream of land that lies in the boundary between two communities, requested that one half of the community should be allocated to them, while the Ezillos reject such request, insisting that they could only concede what government has already given to the Ezza Ezillos.
“Government moved from the initial 52.5 hectares of land given to them and enlarged it to 306. 29 hectares; this is additional landmass of 253.5 hectares as contained in the broadcast of the governor, Chief Martin Elechi,” a source told THISDAY.
But Ignatius Nwali from the Ezza clan told THISDAY that his people decided to continue to launch attacks because in the past whenever a truce was agreed on the Ezillo people would break it and they would be caught unawares, noting that until their own conditions are met they would not stop the fight.


“The area that Ezza people want is on this side of Ebonyi River . Due to the good relationship and good co-existence our grandfathers had with their grandfathers they agreed to live together. But since they want to flush us out or eliminate or prevent us from enjoying the fruit of the labour of our grandfathers, we have requested that we live at one side of the community. The land where we live before, we are ready to forfeit— those land at the other side of Ebonyi River is what we want. That is what we want now.”
Dr Onyekachi Eni, Chief Press Secretary to the Ebonyi State Governor told THISDAY, “Since this crisis broke out, Governor Martin Elechi has left no stone unturned to resolve it. He has been personally involved in the various peace building initiatives of the state government."

platinumnk:

@oyb- research how The Great Depression in america was ended. Through the building of infastructure and factories.

sorry, i live in nigeria - building of infrastructure etal is simply another way for our elite to steal. did u hear of the power plant commissioned in ph two years ago and built by rockson engineering? i only hope it is finally working . what the continued contracts to repair roads?

for those of us laboring under the illusion that spliting nigeria will lead to an end to bloodletting . . . interesting thread - you'll get to see ezeuche talking out of the other side of his mouth

Oh and you forgot the part where ibos might still be killed in the North of Nigeria regardless of a separation. The problem isn't alaigbo as part of nigeria, its the christians in the north who are ample prey for crazed arab wannabes.

Due to the killings in Ebonyi i hereby ask for Ebonyi state to become an independent republic to stop the bloodshed !

hatch#:

Due to the killings in Ebonyi i hereby ask for Ebonyi state to become an independent republic to stop the bloodshed !

Hatch sit down, take a deep breath and think about what you are saying.

Ebonyi crisis might have claimed the lives of hundred innocent victims which is trully traggic despite your delight, but the Northern crisis has claimed tens of thousands of lives and might still claim more.

Anybody who has not come to the conclusion yet that Ghaddafi is insane, such as person may have to have their own brains checked.

And anybody whose ideas keep coinciding with that of a mad man is definitely mad!

nex:

Anybody who has not come to the conclusion yet that Ghaddafi is insane, such as person may have to have their own brains checked.

And anybody whose ideas keep coinciding with that of a mad man is definitely mad!

He might be a ' mad man ' by your standards, but he is a ' mad man ' who knows how to run a country properly unlike your so called leaders who are totally sane , but cannot even run a village effectively, lol.

frosbel:

He might be a ' mad man ' by your standards, but he is a ' mad man ' who knows how to run a country properly unlike your so called leaders who are totally sane , but cannot even run a village effectively, lol.

but he's a muslim - have you forgotten all your issues with muslims - or they can suddenly run countries properly when it suits your arguments ?

oyb:

but he's a muslim  - have you forgotten all your issues with muslims - or they can suddenly run countries properly when it suits your arguments ?

Thanks for raising this point because it is about time I addressed it.

1. I do not have issues with Muslims as a race, far from it , I have countless very close Muslims friends and we discuss these issues such as violence, differences of religion , etc.

2. The crux of the matter is militant Islam which prevails in the far north and which contributed to the massacre of tens of thousands of Christians since the 1960s

3. The people who perform these acts of Jihad and massacres are normally of Fulani extract many times involving mercenaries from Chad and Niger.

4. The politicians in the north often use the almanjaris to cause mayhem and murder when it suits their purpose

5. Too much Saudi Arabia interference in the North.


In summary I like us to get on with all and sundry but I am weary of certain extremist ideologies that constitute a threat to the peace and cohabitation of Nigerians.

Over 50s of living together is enough evidence that it cannot work.

My goodness if you are married to your wife for 50 years and you still do not get on, you should go for deliverance.