InesQor:

@Joagbaje: That's splitting hairs, bro. Remission involves forgiveness

Joagbaje:

Yes I agree with you but forgiveness is pardon for sin, atonement is cover up of sin , the sin is still there but , repercussion is withheld. remission wipes sin of as though it never existed.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood (ATONEMENT) of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission (FORGIVENESS) of sins.

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Psa 32:1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

Joagbaje:

So this nature of sin ,is not what you ask forgiveness for. It has to be taken away. This is the "remission" of sin nature .and you recieve a new nature of righteousness by faith.

Joagbaje:

Yes I agree with you but forgiveness is pardon for sin, atonement is cover up of sin , the sin is still there but , repercussion is withheld. remission wipes sin of as though it never existed.

nuclearboy:

WOFers' are not really smudges! They are more like thick black paint over a vehicle windscreen with the words - "minimum speed 100MPH. Just trust in pastor chris" - on the opaque interior of the glass. Can you imagine a supposed pastor misapplying the Bible and deliberately changing the meaning of God's Word. We used to say Muslims derailed threads with distraction - this is mastery at its peak and they have nothing on him! I'm greater than John. Only me has forgiveness. Others cannot be forgiven. You're insulting me by correcting me. So why didn't Peter say same when Paul corrected him? And no wonder your pastors are having children from all over their congregations. Soon too, banks will ask if you are CE so they know if they are safe employing you

Rubbish! I wish I could put a box of christmas bangers inside your nostrils and set them off.

And yes, Jesoul, EVERYTHING JESUS SAID BEFORE HIS RESURRECTION IS OFF NO IMPORT TODAY because there is better revelation knowledge now! . Shey the Bible said "Jesus wept" abi? Today, He would outright faint

JeSoul:

^claiming? lol, David what planet do you live on? Pasitor Jo Agbaje is a well known pastor of CEC here on NL.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-423566.0.html

JeSoul:

. . . so in effect, you have re-defined the word "remission" to mean "taking away of the sinful nature"?
I got news for you oga.

Remission of sin = Forgiveness of sin.
"Forgiveness" wipes sin as though it never existed in the same way "Remission" does.

It would appear you're trying to create a seperate class or levels of "forgiveness":
Those whose sin nature have been "Remitted" > Those whose sins have merely been "Forgiven" - where is your scripture for this one?

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master -- that's all.'

davidylan:

Oh yeah that's what i thought. He's a CEC pastor not a christian. those two are mutually exclusive.

nuclearboy:

Now I know why you won Poster of the year!

@Jesoul,

My revered sister, this re-defining is actually a small part of it. Don't forget their "daddy" said Stephen was killed because he didn't know God enough. When the Bible says "call no man on earth your father", I take that to mean God is "daddy" Once another person then is given that tag, you've named your "god" and his "word" must be numero uno! And in this "god's" word (the HOLY ROR) remission is diffferent from forgiveness.

davidylan:

is joagbaje claiming to be a christian?

InesQor:

Joagbaje said the sin is still there but , repercussion is withheld



Yeepa!!!!

Joagbaje:

what are you yepaiing about ? The [size=16pt]atonement[/size] only cover sin but does not wash sin away . It expires and has to be renewed yearly. It is the blood of Jesus that washed away sin and eliminate it completely.

Heb 10:4
For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the [size=16pt]atonement[/size].

Joagbaje:

Altheia pls get off my back! You are the confused person.The word used for Atonement in Romans is not the same as OT in meaning. I don't want issues with you because you are not a discussant but a typical Nigerian street fighter without fruits of the spirit.

nuclearboy:

@Jesoul:

You want a "god" to answer to a man? Have you fogotten that platforms differ? One is arguing from ROR and the other from the ordinary Bible - agreement can never be found!

Another problem you can solve for me, Jesoul is to let me know - where can I learn to read Aramaic, Hebrew and Old Greek? I hate being an illiterate when it comes to "the original revelation knowledge meanings of the words" in scripture. Be a good sis and point me in the right direction

Enigma:

Enitan 'me dear bredren'

Nice to see you here - again! It's not such a big deal if you are not going to church at the moment. It is more important that you keep holding on to the most crucial things --- placing your belief and trust in God Almighty and in Jesus His only begotten son; spend time to study Jesus' words and strive to follow His teachings as best as you can, the rest will eventually fall into place.

By the way, I still come to the FTA thread except that I only post occasionally.



Your brother has not gone to church in 8yrs. Why dont you invite him to the church you attend or you dont attend church services too. To fellowship with other brethren is very important and vital. Even Jesus did that regularly also the apostles like Paul.

Acts 17:1-2
    Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: [2] And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

We are admonished not to forsake the assembly of believers.

Hebrews 10:25
    Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.

nuella2:

@ Enigma

Even if two or three christians that gather for fellowship, they are to grow. Is not a village meeting, if they know what they are doin, they will certainly go out and preach the gospel to people. So lets say they bring in two converts every month, before the end of the year they will have atleast 24 members added to them. Members were added to the the early church daily, so the gathering should not just be a bible discussion class and eat meat pie without preaching the gospel. Such a gathering is unfruitful. My point is even if they start small in ten years time they will not be small, unless the gathering is for critics who do no work but only talk about whats wrong in other gatherings. Personally i cant be part of a group that do not atleast go out to preach the gospel once a month. Then what is the gathering for?