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Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by donstan18: 10:18am On Mar 03, 2018 |
AntiBrutus: Lol, you re right. I think if we are to consider meaning and reasonable views into some cliche used against women , we"ll get to know that they re all fallacy |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by MissWrite(f): 10:30am On Mar 03, 2018 |
greiboy: SSG, you're always determined to disagree with me. But here, in this case........I don't see why you would. 1. When you say men demand sex, and I say that's what they value from a woman's repertoire; I don't see the disagreement. You have to value something to want it and then demand it. 2. What reason did I cite for the aspiration for independence by some women? To have social value whether they have a man or not (last paragraph)? The number is staggering, actually. Enough to constitute a movement. 3. I did not say men "like" sex more than women. I thought my junk food analogy was apt . |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by donstan18: 10:39am On Mar 03, 2018 |
MissWrite: Cool, gotten your point. Perfect! |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Nobody: 10:50am On Mar 03, 2018 |
MissWrite:lol I don't always disagree. I have actually made my points and on the topic clear since yesterday, which seems to go against your views in this case. 1) Men demand for sex because women hoard it not because they value it more than women. Women create artificial scarcity to use sex as bargaining chip to gain unfair advantages, particularly those women who have nothing else to offer. who might be in the majority in Africa and Nigeria society in particular based on observations of antibroke men sentiment among Nigerian women 2) You made reference to the fact that women try to gain financial independence because they want to free themselves from a mygonist society. They want to have greater control of their destiny and I asked if you sincerely believed that to be the only reason why women seek independence in Nigeria, because other available information about the rise of young ladies turning sugar mummy and demanding for sex might go against your assertions 3) I thought you said men "most men value sex and much else" to make it seem like women don't actually value sex as much as men. which is why I asked if you believe men like sex more than women? . |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 10:54am On Mar 03, 2018 |
donstan18: Yes, women offer sex and men don't, in general. Women are evolutionarily built to be more attractive than men. They are equipped with more features of attractiveness and with subtleness of features. Men are equipped with features to poke (bam bam shagawabam) and to demonstrate strength. Women are a more beautiful and attractive creature, hence the offerings of something worth taking. Simple! That is why I can never have an iota of understanding of the brain of homosexual men. As women are generally more attractive, it is far more easier for them to get sex, so they don't usually need any offers. They offer it to men, who on average, find it harder to get sex using their features. Men have to demonstrate to women why they be the one to have sex with her. That is done by demonstrating position, assets, potential performance, emotional connection and/or long-term benefits. When a man wants to bone the living day light out of a woman, it is facilitated by his attraction to her physical features. Up to this day in my life, I am yet to meet a woman I want to bone because: - "Oh, she is so intelligent" - "Oh, she has a great job" - "Oh, she is rich" - "Oh, she cooks like Iya Morufu" - "Oh, she is such a good singer" - "Oh, her handwriting looks very nice" NOOOOOO! I look at her fcking body and then think I would love to fck the shenanigans out of that fcking body. To keep it long-term is when the secondary kicks in: her personality. So they don't only offer sex if it is a long-term thing. Even on the short term/one-night stand, a good personality is an unbeatable offering that raises her profile. On the other hand, the features of a man that normally triggers women wanting sex from a man is (a) what is in it for her on the long term [a keeper] or (b) she just wants to be naughty [usually no strings]. At the end of the day, in both situations a & b, the men usually have to prove to her that she would get what she wants before she offers the sex. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by MissWrite(f): 10:56am On Mar 03, 2018 |
greiboy: Lol. Okay. That's valid, in my opinion. |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Nobody: 10:58am On Mar 03, 2018 |
MissWrite:ok no p Happy weekend 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by MissWrite(f): 10:59am On Mar 03, 2018 |
greiboy: Wish you same, sweets........ |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 11:01am On Mar 03, 2018 |
greiboy: Why is it wrong? |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by donstan18: 11:08am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sagamite: Cool, you are in general saying that women offer sex to men, ofwhich we should disregard the motion that sex is a both gender tabling....sex should now be said to be a woman's thing if i'm to agree with you. |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 11:10am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Jman06: Brilliantly said, nigga! 2 Likes |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 11:12am On Mar 03, 2018 |
donstan18: Yep. In general, uncomprehensive and basic summarisation: "Women offer sex in exchange for men offering long-term companionship". |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Nobody: 11:18am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sagamite: 1) Medically it is not right as it may have impact on the health of the person, on the long run. I know you will talk about protection, but some of the victims of sexually transmitted diseases have also claimed to have used protection before their ordeal 2)it is about ethics. I believe our brain works in a uniform way, so certain traits can give insight into other possible characters of the same person. I won't consider such a person as having any moral conduct or standards. I also believe the person is cheap based on society generally accepted definition of ethics and moral standards when it comes to sex. NB: look at the definition of cheap, slut and promiscuous to clarify this point 3)I believe such people indulging in sexual practice with random people may also may put the lifes of others in danger on the long run besides STDs , retribution from a jealous lover, confrontation with possible Physical assault etc .... |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by donstan18: 11:18am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sagamite: @Bolded. In reverse, are long-term companionships meant for only men to offer? if YES, should we now concur to the cliche that "Women offers nothing but sex in a relationship". If NO, what then do men give in exchange for women's long-term companionship. I need to understand you point well. |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 11:21am On Mar 03, 2018 |
greiboy: Sex can only be used as a bargaining chip for unfair advantage for guys who decide to put one woman on a pedestal and make her believe you do not have alternative avenues. May Olodumare never make me that kind of guy. Wife/Girlfriend/Fuckbody/Interest, if you don't gi'me sex, I would always strive to get it from other avenues, which I would been consistently developing anyway, just in case. Always strive to engage from a position of strength and comfort from any group/individual who you know is selfish & unpredictable, and has power of benefaction over you. A person with numerous choices does not beg for a choice. |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Nobody: 11:24am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sagamite:Exactly bro nice points It is just slightly hard for most guys to reach that high position you speak of in your post. But I get your point. |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 11:27am On Mar 03, 2018 |
greiboy: Huh? Medically? What impact? Please highlight what scientific research you are referring to. greiboy: Amsorry! Whose ethics? greiboy: Erm .................."your" opinion? greiboy: Maybe. But even humans having sex at all "may also put the lifes of others in danger on the long run besides STDs , retribution from a jealous lover, confrontation with possible Physical assault etc ....". So what does that tell you? |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 11:34am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Chikita66: Think about what YOU normally want them for. And tell us. 1 Like |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 11:35am On Mar 03, 2018 |
donstan18: By and large, yes, because that is typically core to the need of most women but not for most men. Your first "if" is not a logical consequence of the yes. It does not offer a logical flow and induction. Most men (not all) that need long term commitment from women are usually the insecure type, ..........and there are many of them. Another bunch of men that need long term commitment from women are the ones that think it helps them adapt to social norms. A small bunch of men that need long term commitment from women are the ones that have found one they see as perfect or close to it. In short, if you are a man seeking long-term commitment from a woman who don't see as perfect or close to it, you are just an insecure, sad motherfucker and/or sheep. |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 11:35am On Mar 03, 2018 |
donstan18: By and large, yes, because that is typically core to the need of most women but not for most men. Your first "if" is not a logical consequence of the yes. It does not offer a logical flow and induction. Most men (not all) that need long term commitment from women are usually the insecure type, ..........and there are many of them. Another bunch of men that need long term commitment from women are the ones that think it helps them adapt to social/religious norms. A small bunch of men that need long term commitment from women are the ones that have found one they see as perfect or close to it. In short, if you are a man seeking long-term commitment from a woman who you don't see as perfect or close to it, you are just an insecure, sad motherfucker and/or sheep. |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Nobody: 11:40am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sagamite: 1) People are more at risk of sexually transmitted diseases when they have sex with random partners than when they don't have sex with random partners, I believe this a scientific proven fact Of course, there are other reasons for sexually transmitted diseases. which must all equally be avoided if possible https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sexually-transmitted-diseases-stds/symptoms-causes/syc-20351240 2) Ethics is a set of moral principles, especially ones relating to or affirming a specified group, field, or form of conduct. I made mentioned of searching for the definitions of cheap, slut and promiscuous to clarify how sleeping around can be considered as unethical 3) Every thing we do in life is putting us at potential risk of something, but some of our actions might increase the risk and chances of something bad happening For example, Driving on the road is a potentially dangerous activity that could lead to death, no matter how careful we may claim to be, but drinking and driving increases the risk of an accident. Same analogy can be applied to sex..
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Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 11:40am On Mar 03, 2018 |
greiboy: It takes mental and emotional training and re-inforcement. It takes the ability to put up the middle finger to social norms and expectations. It takes the capability to be comfortable with condemnation of your position by society. Don't ever put women on a pedestal. If you decide to put one woman on a pedestal, make sure it is because her attitude and content of character is worth it and has been repeatedly genuinely demonstrated, not because she is a woman and "that is what a reaaaaal man doooooooes". Fck that shyt, nigga! 1 Like |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 11:46am On Mar 03, 2018 |
greiboy: More at risk! Good! So you know there is risk with a single person too? Now what do you understand about: a) Risk mitigation? b) Risk-reward balance? You realise you can have zero-risk of sexually transmitted disease if you don't engage in sex? greiboy: So are culture, religion and tradition. And many of such are full of illogical, inconsistent, moronic shyt. Do you know where such can kiss in my wonderful anatomy? If I wanna fck, am gonna fck. greiboy: This goes back to the question in (1). |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 11:58am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Safiaaa: Fcking true! That applies even to the best of us. 1) Women are hot! 2) We want sex frequently and badly. 3) We have to work to smell getting it, talk less of even getting it. When you work for something, you have made an investment, be it an emotional, reputational, financial or labour type. When you make an investment, you expect and want a return. And women do know you have made this investment because they would not let you smell it except their is some investment. And as long as they know you are waiting for the return of your investment, they can manipulate. The length, breadth and depth of their manipulation in exchange for a man's investment maturing depends on the man's experience, self-valuation, confidence, attractiveness, societal conformity, wooing training, level of alternative choices, recent famine and his give-a-fcks! This goes back to my advise above about self-training. 1 Like |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Nobody: 12:00pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sagamite:The higher the risk the higher the reward, but do you also understand we have different risk appetite to begin with, especially if the risk isn't really worth the stress Will I risk my life for pleasurable experience, hell no It is like my analogy of drinking and driving or answering a phone call while driving. it has massive rewards because one will be completing two task at the same time, but if it goes wrong, death could be the ultimate price Same analogy applies to sex, Good pleasure but death could be the ultimate price 2) This culture and tradition is not illogical especially when the risk is obviously not worth it |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 12:04pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
greiboy: So you have got a bit of grasp on risk management. Now tell me why you think the risk is not worth it and what you think should be the risk appetite? |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Nobody: 12:08pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sagamite: The reward is only pleasurable experience that will last for some seconds or minutes The risk are diseases, physical assault and emotional trauma and the ultimate price of death that could last for a life time It is quite obvious the risk isn't worth the reward |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 12:31pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
greiboy: Before I respond to this, please first tell me how you apply this your own risk appetite. In regards to sex. No sex? No sex before marriage? No sex unless in a committed relationship (whatever the fck that means)? No sex until I see a health certificate? No sex unless a girl demonstrates to me that she is religious and frigid? No sex with multiple women at a time? Please highlight for me. |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Sagamite(m): 12:39pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Neyoor: Nonsense! You can make love outside marriage. 1 Like |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Nobody: 1:32pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sagamite: @No sex before marriage I have always made my intention clear on this forum and in real life that I don't support that ideology because many people often indulge in sexual acts secretly. Sex before marriage is also an important way to understand the sexual capacities of your partner before marriage. i.e. you can understand if the level of sex drive of your partner is compatible with yours and so on. @No sex before committed relationship. I support this idea with all my heart. I believe it is the right approach for any sane mind. I understand that not all committed relationships lead to marriages and not all partners are faithful in a committed relationship, but I reckon it is safer than having sexual intercourse with any random person. @certificate to demonstrate freedom from diseases before any sexual intercourse; Funny enough, that is a norm in the country I had my bachelors degree. The country once had a HIV epidemic and it is normal for ladies to show you the results of their hiv status before sexual intercourse. in Nigeria, that maybe hard to accomplish, So you are left with your own intuition, you have to observe your partners character carefully I.e. is she loose her general character her reaction about certain things You test her without her knowledge. NB; some ladies might pretend, so it is better you observe her for her long time ...................................................................... No, I don't believe in religious girls and you may have to define rigid in this context to get my full answer I believe the aforementioned points have taken care of Your last question NB: I am not saying these are full prove measures, but only preventive measures. it doesn't necessarily mean bad things cannot happen but the chances of that happening is reduced by taking these measures For instance, the federal ministry of health put out preventive measures during the Ebola crises in 2014, this doesn't mean some people despite using this preventive measures will not contact the diseases but it reduces the possibility. Same principles apply here. These same measures have been used by some of our parents for decades now .......................................................................... Now my questions 1) Will you marry/date a woman that sleeps with random men? why? 2) Will you recommend every woman or man to sleep around?if so, why? 3) Will you associate yourself with such a person, particularly the female i.e. how will you feel if the lady is your sister or family member, and why? 4) Do you genuinely believe people who sleep around are not at risk of any danger more than people who don't ? if so, Why? |
Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by obiorathesubtle: 1:50pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
greiboy: I'm not sure we all do.. I've never been in an orgy
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Re: Do Men Offer Sex? by Nobody: 1:55pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
obiorathesubtle:You know I meant sexual urge or desire now judging by the context of my discussions with the guy I was responding too I wrote that in the heat of an argument. 1 Like |
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