Matthew 5:19 "Least in the kingdom of heaven" changed to "least in relation to the kingdom of the heaven." The passage indicates that a disobedient believer who sins can still find forgiveness and eternal life. The JWs believe heaven is reserved for only 144,000 specially designated servants of God. The revision suggests more separation between these groups through a status hierarchy.
Matthew 25:46 "Eternal punishment" changed to "everlasting cutting-off." The Greek word kolasis translated "punishment" indicates continuous torment, but the NWT revision suggests "termination," as the JWs promote the doctrine of annihilationism regarding condemned souls.
Mark 1:4 "Baptism of repentance" changed to "baptism [in symbol] of repentance. " Nothing in the original Greek text justifies the insertion of "in symbol." The revision undermines the significance of John the Baptist's ministry, the Jewish meaning of baptism and the Christian sacrament of baptism in contrast to the more regimented JW baptism requirements.
Luke 12:8 "Acknowledges me" changed to "confesses union with me." The addition of "union" suggest something more than what the original Greek actually states and adds further credibility to the NWT distortion presented in John 6:56 below.
Luke 23:43 'Today you will be with me" changed to "I tell you today, You will be with me." Jesus assured the thief on the cross that their spirits would soon enter the spiritual/heavenly realm together. As the JWs reject the belief in the conscious survival of the human spirit after death, their revision suggests that "today" deals with the time of the statement rather than the relocation of their spirits.
John 1:1 "Word was God" changed to "Word was a god." The JWs reject the orthodox Christian belief in the deity of Jesus. The revision asserts that Jesus was someone other than God Himself.
John 1:12 "Believe" changed to "exercise faith." The orthodox Christian doctrine of spiritual justification and rebirth before God by belief in Jesus is in conflict with the JW doctrine of salvation by works (i.e., obedience to their organization). The revision attempts to describe salvation as a continuous process rather than a radical encounter and transition (Same revision found in John 3:16, 18; 6:29; Rom. 4:3, 10:4, 9, 10.)
John 6:56 "Remains in me" changed to "remains in union with me." The mystical union between the individual human spirit and the Spirit of Jesus is obscured by restructuring "in" with a compound form. The substitution implies more separation between a Christian and Jesus. (Same revision found in John 14:20; Rom. 8:1, 2, 10; 12:5; 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 3:28; Eph. 1:13*; 2:10, 13, 15, 21, 22; 3:6; Col. 1:14*, 16*, 27; 2:6, 10*, 11, 12*; 3:3; 1 Thes. 4:16; 5:18; 1 John 3:24; 4:4; 5:20. Verses with an asterisk (*) indicate where the revision uses "by means of" or "in relationship to" rather than "in union with."
John 8:58 "I am" changed to "I have been." Same intent as described in Exodus 3:14 above.
John 14:14 "IF YOU ask [me] anything in my name, I will do it."
"me" is omitted to deny the fact we pray to Jesus. John 14:14 should also be mentioned. In the NWT this reads; "IF YOU ask anything in my name, I will do it." The Greek text in the KIT, however, has ME after ask, so that it should be translated; "If you ask ME anything in my name, I will do it." It is true that some later Greek manuscripts omitted this word, but most of the earlier ones include it, and most modern editions of the Greek NT include it. At the very least, the NWT ought to have mentioned this in a note!
John 14:17 "Beholds him or knows him" changed to "beholds it or knows it." The revision ignores the context of the pronoun with the Comforter role in the preceding verse to deny the personality of the Holy Spirit.
John 17:5 "Glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you" changed to "glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you." The original text reflects the shared deity of God the Father and Jesus before the creation of the world, but the revision suggests different natures as implied by different states of glory.
John 17:21 "Are in me" changed to "are in union with me." The original statement by Jesus indicates his shared deity with the Father. The revision undermines this by suggesting a greater separation between them.
Acts 10:36 "Lord of all" changed to "Lord of all [others]." The revision suggests that even though Jesus is highly honored, he is still one among many of God's created beings. (Similar revisions found in Rom. 8:32; Phil. 2:9; Col. 1: 16-17.)
Acts 20:28 They change "God purchased the church with His own blood" to God purchased the church with the blood of His son" Wrath and indignation will come to every Jw from the Governing Body, who even suggests God purchased the church with His own blood... the blood of Jesus... who is God!
Romans 2:29 "By the Spirit" changed to "by spirit." Although the definite article 'the" does not literally appear in the Greek, it is implied by the form that (pneuma) appears in. The revision, however, translates pneuma in a more abstract form to evade the reality of the Holy Spirit. (Same revision found in Rom. 15:19; Eph. 2:22; 3:5; Titus 3:5; James 2:26; 2 Peter 1:21.)
Rom 8:1 "Therefore those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation," Which omits the word NOW. The NWT omits key words when to include them may contradict JW doctrine. The most glaring example is
Rom 8:1 "Therefore those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation," Which omits the word NOW. This omission is evidently motivated by the fact that the JW's do not believe anyone can claim NOW to be free of condemnation.
Romans 8:23a "Have the firstfruits of the Spirit" changed to "have the firstfruits, namely the spirit." This represents another form of disguising the separate personality of the Holy Spirit as in Rom. 2:29 above. The original text refers to the derivatives of the Spirit, but the revision identifies the spirit as a derivative.
Romans 8:23b "The redemption of our bodies" changed to "the release from our bodies by ransom." This revision avoids the suggestion that there is continuity of either body or soul after death. Their teaching that the soul ceases to exist at the death of the body precludes the ownership of, or relationship to, a body that must be redeemed.
Romans 8:28 "All things" changed to "all his works." The revision undermines the sovereignty of God by suggesting that He controls only the things He is directly involved in doing. This implies that God does not work ALL things together for the good of those that love God, but only those things which he himself does, over which he has control.
Romans 8:29 "Those God foreknew" changed to "those whom he gave his first recognition." The revision obscures the nature of God's knowledge and power as a first recognition may or may not be foreknowledge.
Romans 9:5 "Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!" changed to "Christ, [sprang] according to the flesh: God who is over all, [be] blessed forever." The direction proclamation that Christ is God is obscured by the altered text.
Romans 10:13 "Lord" changed to "Jehovah." This revision obscures the fact that the Lord referred to in verse 13 is the same Lord called Jesus in verse 9. Since the JWs reject the deity of Jesus, the revision is made accordingly. The Greek word, kurios, translated "Lord" has been revised to "Jehovah" over 200 times in the NWT. The JWs insist that this is the only valid title for God, even though Greek-speaking Jews used "Lord" and "God" in place of "Yahweh" (the source of "Jehovah" throughout their Septuagint translation of the Old Testament. Furthermore, the Bible contains dozens of names for God other than Lord, Yahweh, or Jehovah.
Romans 13:1 "Authorities that exist have been established by God" changed to "authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God." Since the JW regard saluting a flag, military service and similar forms of submission to government as idolatry, they have added words to the text to weaken the proclaimed authority of government.

1 Corinthians 6:19 "Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit" changed to "the body of YOU people is [the] temple of the holy spirit." To avoid recognition of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the individual believer, the revision modifies "body" to a more collective form in harmony with the opposing JW doctrine.
1 Corinthians 10:4 "The Rock was Christ" changed to "that rock-mass meant the Christ." The passage depicts the preincarnate Jesus exhibiting his divine nature by being present many centuries earlier. This revision tries to conceal his eternal nature with a more figurative interpretation of "the Rock."
1 Corinthians 12:11 "As he determines" changed to "as it wills." The NWT finds many ways to disguise the personality of the Holy Spirit. In this case the third person pronoun exercising individual conscience and will is replaced with an impersonal pronoun.
1 Corinthians 14:14-16 "Spirit" changed to "[gift of the] spirit." Like several other Biblical passages, this one indicates the distinctive presence of the human spirit as distinguished from the mind and body. The JWs evade these distinctions and try to disguise them with related revisions.
The phrase GIFT OF THE is added in brackets five times, changing "SPIRIT" to "[GIFT OF THE] SPIRIT." The NWT elsewhere frequently paraphrases the simple word SPIRIT, especially when referring to the immaterial aspect of human nature, to avoid the implication that such a spirit has a reality distinct from the body. For instance, Heb 12:19 "the Father of spirits" (or the spirits) becomes "the Father of OUR SPIRITUAL LIFE." In
Gal. 6:18 "your spirit" is paraphrased "THE SPIRIT YOU SHOW." Similar rewording's are introduced in passages where the simple translation of "spirit" or "Spirit" might imply that God's Spirit is a person, contrary to the JW's doctrine that the Holy Spirit is God's "active force." So, Jude's description of certain men as "not having the Spirit" (or more literally, not having spirit" is rendered "NOT HAVING SPIRITUALITY" (Jude 19).
1 Corinthians 15:2 "By this gospel you are saved" changed to "through which YOU are also being saved." Similar to the Acts 16:30 revision above, this one again obscures the completeness of salvation by grace. The JW's salvation exists as an extended process ("being saved" with the outcome being uncertain until final judgment before Jehovah.
Galatians 6:18 "Your spirit" changed to "the spirit YOU [show]." Similar to the I Cor. 14 revision above, this one attempts to obscure the reality of the individual human spirit by presenting it more as an attitude of action than an entity.
Philippians 1:23 "To depart and be with Christ" changed to "the releasing and the being with Christ." Paul's eagerness indicates that the believer's spirit goes immediately into Christ's presence at death. The revision suggests that death and being with Christ are two separate steps in an extended process, as the JWs believe in soul sleep (i.e., the unconscious state of the human spirit awaiting the resurrection).
In Phil 1:23-24 several words are added without brackets that, along with some other changes, completely alter the structure and thereby also the meaning of the text. The passage reads in the NWT (with added words in brackets so you can see here) "I am under pressure from [THESE] two things; [BUT WHAT] I do desire is the releasing and the being with Christ, for this, [TO BE SURE], is far better." There are other errors as well, but the additions indicate here clearly change the meaning so as to avoid the test's implication that Paul would be with Christ after death. Some of the additions in brackets in the NWT so clearly change the meaning it is a wonder that more JW's don't question them? In 1Cor 14:12-16 the phrase GIFT OF THE is added in brackets five times, changing "spirit" to "[GIFT OF THE] spirit." The result is that Paul's contrast between his own personal "spirit" and his "mind" is removed. To assure that this contrast is missed, the word "MY" is also added in brackets before "MIND" twice in verse 15 but not before SPIRIT. Thus the simple contrast between "the spirit" and "the mind" (or "my spirit" and "my mind" NASB) is changed to "the [GIFT OF THE] spirit" and [MY] mind."
Phil 2:6 "Although Jesus existed in the form of God, He did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself" (He grasped equality and let it go to become a man) has been changed to "although Jesus was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NWT teaches that Jesus was never equal with God nor did he ever grasp at it. Notice the word seizure, which implies grabbing that which is not yours to grab ie equality. If Jesus was created by God, why would He be considered humble for not thinking of himself as equal to God. That is not humility, but reality! However since Jesus was equal to God, it would require great humility to give up his status as God and become a man through Mary.
Col 1:16-20 the word "[other]" has been added 5 times where it is not in the Greek Awful embarrassing for Jw's to read this verse with the [other] removed. Why it would mean Jesus was not a creature but God. By adding "other" to "all other things" Jw's attempt to avoid the obvious original intent of the Greek that Jesus is above all created things implying Jesus is not a creature!
The addition of the word OTHER is usually justified by an appeal to such texts as Luke 11:41-42 and Luke 13:2,4, where the word OTHER is also added after the word ALL. However, in these passages (and in others were the same practice is rightly followed) the addition of the word OTHER doesn't change the meaning, but simply makes it read smoother. In Col 1:16-20 , however, whether one adds "OTHER" makes a great deal of difference to the meaning! What is so often noticed is that the NWT does this same thing in several other passages as well (Acts 10:36; Rom 8:32; Phil 2:9) . In
Rom 8:32 , the word OTHER is not even placed in brackets, contrary to the work's stated practice. In all of these text, the intent seems to be to undermine the implication of the text that Jesus Christ is God.
Colossians 1:19 "His fullness" changed to "fullness." The definite Greek article (to), translated "his," indicates that Jesus shares the Father's divine nature as also shown in Col. 2:9. The revisions evade the truth by concealing the similarity of the two passages.
Also notable is Col 1:19 "because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him." Here the little word THE is omitted before FULLNESS. This is significant, because NWT renders "ALL FULLNESS" is ambiguous, whereas "ALL THE FULLNESS" clearly refers to the fullness of God's own being (compare Col 2:9).
Col 2:6-12 Again, in Col 2:6-12 "IN HIM" and "IN WHOM" (en auto, en ho) becomes "IN UNION WITH HIM" (v.6) "IN HIM" (V.V. 7,9) "BY MEANS OF HIM" (V. 10) and "BY RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM" (V.V..11,12). These variations serve only JW doctrine! They have no other purpose, they undermine the unity of the passage, which is that Christian life consists solely of a supernatural relationship with God through faith in Christ. There are many other passages where IN is paraphrased to avoid the otherwise clear meaning of the text. For example, In Matt. 5:19 IN becomes "IN RELATION TO" so as to avoid the passages teaching that some who disobey the law's commandments and teach others to do so will nevertheless be accepted "in the kingdom of heaven" (which JW's believe will be restricted to the 144,000 special chosen and sanctified believers).
Colossians 2:9 "The fullness of deity" changed to "the fullness of the divine quality." The Greek theotes, translated "deity," literally means divine essence or divinity. As the JWs reject the divine nature of Jesus, a revision is inserted to suggest that Jesus is limited to only divine-like characteristics.
I Timothy 4:1 "The Spirit" changed to "the inspired utterance." This revision attempts to obscure the reality and activity of the Holy Spirit by representing it as a message instead of an entity. (Similar revisions found in 1 John 4:1, 3, 6 with "expression" being utilized in place of "utterance." A straightforward "the SPIRIT says" would too obviously imply the personality of the "Spirit".
Titus 2:13 "Our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" changed to "the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus." Similar to the Rom. 9:5 revision shown above, a distinct proclamation of Jesus as God is obscured by the altered text. (Similar rewording also found in 2 Peter 1:1.)
Hebrews 1:6 "But when He again brings his First-born into the inhabited earth, he says: 'And let all God's angels worship him' ." (New World Translation, 1950, 1961, 1970 editions, The NWT revised 1971 edition was changed to read, "do obeisance to" rather than "worship". This change remains to this day, even though the original word chosen by the 4 NWT translators, was accurate to the Greek. However the Watchtower society was losing so may new converts because of the word "worship" (only God gets worshipped) that they did the typically dishonorable thing and chose the obscure unknown word "obeisance" to complete the deception of new converts.
Hebrews 1:8 "Your throne, 0 God" changed to "God is your throne." The revision avoids addressing the Son, Jesus, as God to validate the JWs' rejection of his divine nature.
Hebrews 9:14 "The eternal Spirit" changed to "an everlasting spirit." Similar to the Rom. 2:29 revision above, the switching of the article before the adjective represents the work of the Holy Spirit in a more indirect/ impersonal manner.
Hebrews 12:9 "Father of our spirits" changed to "Father of our spiritual life." Similar to the I Cor. 14 revision shown above, this one tries to obscure the distinctive reality of human spirits by replacing them with a more abstract noun.
Hebrews 12:23 "The spirits of righteous men" changed to "the spiritual lives of righteous ones." This revision represents the same noun-switching as described in Heb. 12:9 above.
Hebrews 12:28 "We are receiving a kingdom" changed to "we are to receive a kingdom." An orthodox Christian understanding of the Kingdom recognizes it as primarily established through Jesus' victorious death, then further through post-resurrection displays of his power, and perpetually through the addition of new believers into God's family. The JWs teach that Jesus' Kingdom did not begin until his invisible return in 1914. The form of the Greek word for "receiving" (paralambano) implies a current condition, but the revision suggests a future event according to the JW doctrine.
1 Peter 1:11 "Spirit of Christ in them was pointing" changed to "the spirit in them was indicating concerning Christ." Another example of the supernatural presence of Jesus in the life of a Christian is obscured again by this revision as the JW doctrinal view presents him as more limited.
I Peter 3:18-19 "By the Spirit, through whom" changed to "in the spirit. In this [state]." Similar to several examples presented above, in this passage the presence and personality of the Holy Spirit is obscured with a more abstract representation of the Holy Spirit to accommodate the JW doctrine.
1 John 4:1-6 "Spirit" changed to "inspired expression" Even clearer is 1 John 4:1-6. John has just stated that we know our union with God is secure "owing to the spirit which he gave us" (3:24). The next sentence in the NWT reads; "Beloved ones, believe not every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God" (4:1). One would never suspect from this rendering that "INSPIRED EXPRESSION" translates the same Greek word (pneuma) as "SPIRIT" in 3:24 (see 4:2,3,6). John's whole point is that although the Spirit's presence assures us of God's love, we are not to believe every "spirit" that claims to be from God but test each one by the teachings it prophets espouses. "Because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (4:1). The NWT obscures this point to avoid the implication that God's Spirit is a person rather than a force (just as the demonic spirits are personal entities and not impersonal forces, as the JW accept).
The same doctrinal bias can be seen in 1 Tim 4:1, where the NWT reads; However, the inspired utterance says...." A straightforward "the SPIRIT says" would too obviously imply the personality of the "Spirit".
Jude 19 "Have the Spirit" changed to "having spirituality." Similar to Gal. 6:18 above, this revision attempts to obscure the separate presence of the Holy Spirit.
Revelation 3:14 "Ruler of God's creation" changed to "beginning of the creation by God." The altered prepositions distract from the sovereignty of Jesus indicated in the passage and suggests that the real power of creation was accomplished through the Father, as the JWs believe that Jesus is a created being.

The number of alterations in NWT is endless

OneJ:


U refused to answer my Qstn : "Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his works, Prov 8::22" Mr solite3, who be that person in that verse? Is Jesus one of the "sons of God" in Job38:7? U no fit answer.. .
Jesus Christ tell me say U be liar. Him done see God come tell me the truth. John 3:16, John 20:30,31. Matt 16:13-17.
But U never see God ,U dey lie lie dey deceive yourself.
Keep believing the poo.

"There are three that bear record in heaven. The father the son & holy ghost: these three are one" 1 John5:7. KJV.

"God was manifest in the flesh"1Tim 3:16.KJV

"Alpha & Omega" Rev 1:11. KJV

"Godhead" Colossians 2:9. KJV

"By him" John 1:3, Colos1:16 , He 1:2. KJV

"I am that I am" Exodus 3:14. KJV

" a god" Acts 12:22, 28:6, twisted to "God" Jn1:1c. KJV

these corrupted & forged verses (not found in any of the oldest manuscripts in existence) were the very foundation of your dubious "truth".


Dalu rinne.

what you called called corrupted and forged were either the implied meaning or using the another word with same meaning.

solite3:

smh

Hello friend,

Go back and answer those questions

OneJ:


U refused to answer my Qstn : "Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his works, Prov 8::22" Mr solite3, who be that person in that verse? Is Jesus one of the "sons of God" in Job38:7? U no fit answer.. .
Jesus Christ tell me say U be liar. Him done see God come tell me the truth. John 3:16, John 20:30,31. Matt 16:13-17.
But U never see God ,U dey lie lie dey deceive yourself.
Keep believing the poo.


i) "There are three that bear record in heaven. The father the son & holy ghost: these three are one" 1 John5:7. KJV.

ii) "God was manifest in the flesh"1Tim 3:16.KJV

iii) "Alpha & Omega" Rev 1:11. KJV

iv). "Godhead" Colossians 2:9. Rom 1:20. KJV

v) "By him" John 1:3, Colos1:16 , He 1:2. KJV

vi) "I am that I am" Exodus 3:14. KJV

vii). "a god" Acts 12:22, 28:6, twisted to "God" Jn1:1c. KJV
( The Word, the son of God is a god, not Almighty God. Because both Acts 12:22 & 28:6 share the same Greek grammatical construction with John 1:1.)

These corrupted & forged verses ( i- vii) that are not found in any of the oldest manuscripts in existence) were the very foundation of your dubious "truth".


Dalu rinne.

Trinity peddlers viewing this thread, your false doctrine was sweetened by these forgeries highlighted above.

solite3:
1 Corinthians 6:19 "Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit" changed to "the body of YOU people is [the] temple of the holy spirit." To avoid recognition of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the individual believer, the revision modifies "body" to a more collective form in harmony with the opposing JW doctrine.
1 Corinthians 10:4 "The Rock was Christ" changed to "that rock-mass meant the Christ." The passage depicts the preincarnate Jesus exhibiting his divine nature by being present many centuries earlier. This revision tries to conceal his eternal nature with a more figurative interpretation of "the Rock."
1 Corinthians 12:11 "As he determines" changed to "as it wills." The NWT finds many ways to disguise the personality of the Holy Spirit. In this case the third person pronoun exercising individual conscience and will is replaced with an impersonal pronoun.
1 Corinthians 14:14-16 "Spirit" changed to "[gift of the] spirit." Like several other Biblical passages, this one indicates the distinctive presence of the human spirit as distinguished from the mind and body. The JWs evade these distinctions and try to disguise them with related revisions.
The phrase GIFT OF THE is added in brackets five times, changing "SPIRIT" to "[GIFT OF THE] SPIRIT." The NWT elsewhere frequently paraphrases the simple word SPIRIT, especially when referring to the immaterial aspect of human nature, to avoid the implication that such a spirit has a reality distinct from the body. For instance, Heb 12:19 "the Father of spirits" (or the spirits) becomes "the Father of OUR SPIRITUAL LIFE." In
Gal. 6:18 "your spirit" is paraphrased "THE SPIRIT YOU SHOW." Similar rewording's are introduced in passages where the simple translation of "spirit" or "Spirit" might imply that God's Spirit is a person, contrary to the JW's doctrine that the Holy Spirit is God's "active force." So, Jude's description of certain men as "not having the Spirit" (or more literally, not having spirit" is rendered "NOT HAVING SPIRITUALITY" (Jude 19).
1 Corinthians 15:2 "By this gospel you are saved" changed to "through which YOU are also being saved." Similar to the Acts 16:30 revision above, this one again obscures the completeness of salvation by grace. The JW's salvation exists as an extended process ("being saved" with the outcome being uncertain until final judgment before Jehovah.
Galatians 6:18 "Your spirit" changed to "the spirit YOU [show]." Similar to the I Cor. 14 revision above, this one attempts to obscure the reality of the individual human spirit by presenting it more as an attitude of action than an entity.
Philippians 1:23 "To depart and be with Christ" changed to "the releasing and the being with Christ." Paul's eagerness indicates that the believer's spirit goes immediately into Christ's presence at death. The revision suggests that death and being with Christ are two separate steps in an extended process, as the JWs believe in soul sleep (i.e., the unconscious state of the human spirit awaiting the resurrection).
In Phil 1:23-24 several words are added without brackets that, along with some other changes, completely alter the structure and thereby also the meaning of the text. The passage reads in the NWT (with added words in brackets so you can see here) "I am under pressure from [THESE] two things; [BUT WHAT] I do desire is the releasing and the being with Christ, for this, [TO BE SURE], is far better." There are other errors as well, but the additions indicate here clearly change the meaning so as to avoid the test's implication that Paul would be with Christ after death. Some of the additions in brackets in the NWT so clearly change the meaning it is a wonder that more JW's don't question them? In 1Cor 14:12-16 the phrase GIFT OF THE is added in brackets five times, changing "spirit" to "[GIFT OF THE] spirit." The result is that Paul's contrast between his own personal "spirit" and his "mind" is removed. To assure that this contrast is missed, the word "MY" is also added in brackets before "MIND" twice in verse 15 but not before SPIRIT. Thus the simple contrast between "the spirit" and "the mind" (or "my spirit" and "my mind" NASB) is changed to "the [GIFT OF THE] spirit" and [MY] mind."
Phil 2:6 "Although Jesus existed in the form of God, He did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself" (He grasped equality and let it go to become a man) has been changed to "although Jesus was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NWT teaches that Jesus was never equal with God nor did he ever grasp at it. Notice the word seizure, which implies grabbing that which is not yours to grab ie equality. If Jesus was created by God, why would He be considered humble for not thinking of himself as equal to God. That is not humility, but reality! However since Jesus was equal to God, it would require great humility to give up his status as God and become a man through Mary.
Col 1:16-20 the word "[other]" has been added 5 times where it is not in the Greek Awful embarrassing for Jw's to read this verse with the [other] removed. Why it would mean Jesus was not a creature but God. By adding "other" to "all other things" Jw's attempt to avoid the obvious original intent of the Greek that Jesus is above all created things implying Jesus is not a creature!
The addition of the word OTHER is usually justified by an appeal to such texts as Luke 11:41-42 and Luke 13:2,4, where the word OTHER is also added after the word ALL. However, in these passages (and in others were the same practice is rightly followed) the addition of the word OTHER doesn't change the meaning, but simply makes it read smoother. In Col 1:16-20 , however, whether one adds "OTHER" makes a great deal of difference to the meaning! What is so often noticed is that the NWT does this same thing in several other passages as well (Acts 10:36; Rom 8:32; Phil 2:9) . In
Rom 8:32 , the word OTHER is not even placed in brackets, contrary to the work's stated practice. In all of these text, the intent seems to be to undermine the implication of the text that Jesus Christ is God.
Colossians 1:19 "His fullness" changed to "fullness." The definite Greek article (to), translated "his," indicates that Jesus shares the Father's divine nature as also shown in Col. 2:9. The revisions evade the truth by concealing the similarity of the two passages.
Also notable is Col 1:19 "because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him." Here the little word THE is omitted before FULLNESS. This is significant, because NWT renders "ALL FULLNESS" is ambiguous, whereas "ALL THE FULLNESS" clearly refers to the fullness of God's own being (compare Col 2:9).
Col 2:6-12 Again, in Col 2:6-12 "IN HIM" and "IN WHOM" (en auto, en ho) becomes "IN UNION WITH HIM" (v.6) "IN HIM" (V.V. 7,9) "BY MEANS OF HIM" (V. 10) and "BY RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM" (V.V..11,12). These variations serve only JW doctrine! They have no other purpose, they undermine the unity of the passage, which is that Christian life consists solely of a supernatural relationship with God through faith in Christ. There are many other passages where IN is paraphrased to avoid the otherwise clear meaning of the text. For example, In Matt. 5:19 IN becomes "IN RELATION TO" so as to avoid the passages teaching that some who disobey the law's commandments and teach others to do so will nevertheless be accepted "in the kingdom of heaven" (which JW's believe will be restricted to the 144,000 special chosen and sanctified believers).
Colossians 2:9 "The fullness of deity" changed to "the fullness of the divine quality." The Greek theotes, translated "deity," literally means divine essence or divinity. As the JWs reject the divine nature of Jesus, a revision is inserted to suggest that Jesus is limited to only divine-like characteristics.
I Timothy 4:1 "The Spirit" changed to "the inspired utterance." This revision attempts to obscure the reality and activity of the Holy Spirit by representing it as a message instead of an entity. (Similar revisions found in 1 John 4:1, 3, 6 with "expression" being utilized in place of "utterance." A straightforward "the SPIRIT says" would too obviously imply the personality of the "Spirit".
Titus 2:13 "Our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" changed to "the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus." Similar to the Rom. 9:5 revision shown above, a distinct proclamation of Jesus as God is obscured by the altered text. (Similar rewording also found in 2 Peter 1:1.)
Hebrews 1:6 "But when He again brings his First-born into the inhabited earth, he says: 'And let all God's angels worship him' ." (New World Translation, 1950, 1961, 1970 editions, The NWT revised 1971 edition was changed to read, "do obeisance to" rather than "worship". This change remains to this day, even though the original word chosen by the 4 NWT translators, was accurate to the Greek. However the Watchtower society was losing so may new converts because of the word "worship" (only God gets worshipped) that they did the typically dishonorable thing and chose the obscure unknown word "obeisance" to complete the deception of new converts.
Hebrews 1:8 "Your throne, 0 God" changed to "God is your throne." The revision avoids addressing the Son, Jesus, as God to validate the JWs' rejection of his divine nature.
Hebrews 9:14 "The eternal Spirit" changed to "an everlasting spirit." Similar to the Rom. 2:29 revision above, the switching of the article before the adjective represents the work of the Holy Spirit in a more indirect/ impersonal manner.
Hebrews 12:9 "Father of our spirits" changed to "Father of our spiritual life." Similar to the I Cor. 14 revision shown above, this one tries to obscure the distinctive reality of human spirits by replacing them with a more abstract noun.
Hebrews 12:23 "The spirits of righteous men" changed to "the spiritual lives of righteous ones." This revision represents the same noun-switching as described in Heb. 12:9 above.
Hebrews 12:28 "We are receiving a kingdom" changed to "we are to receive a kingdom." An orthodox Christian understanding of the Kingdom recognizes it as primarily established through Jesus' victorious death, then further through post-resurrection displays of his power, and perpetually through the addition of new believers into God's family. The JWs teach that Jesus' Kingdom did not begin until his invisible return in 1914. The form of the Greek word for "receiving" (paralambano) implies a current condition, but the revision suggests a future event according to the JW doctrine.
1 Peter 1:11 "Spirit of Christ in them was pointing" changed to "the spirit in them was indicating concerning Christ." Another example of the supernatural presence of Jesus in the life of a Christian is obscured again by this revision as the JW doctrinal view presents him as more limited.
I Peter 3:18-19 "By the Spirit, through whom" changed to "in the spirit. In this [state]." Similar to several examples presented above, in this passage the presence and personality of the Holy Spirit is obscured with a more abstract representation of the Holy Spirit to accommodate the JW doctrine.
1 John 4:1-6 "Spirit" changed to "inspired expression" Even clearer is 1 John 4:1-6. John has just stated that we know our union with God is secure "owing to the spirit which he gave us" (3:24). The next sentence in the NWT reads; "Beloved ones, believe not every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God" (4:1). One would never suspect from this rendering that "INSPIRED EXPRESSION" translates the same Greek word (pneuma) as "SPIRIT" in 3:24 (see 4:2,3,6). John's whole point is that although the Spirit's presence assures us of God's love, we are not to believe every "spirit" that claims to be from God but test each one by the teachings it prophets espouses. "Because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (4:1). The NWT obscures this point to avoid the implication that God's Spirit is a person rather than a force (just as the demonic spirits are personal entities and not impersonal forces, as the JW accept).
The same doctrinal bias can be seen in 1 Tim 4:1, where the NWT reads; However, the inspired utterance says...." A straightforward "the SPIRIT says" would too obviously imply the personality of the "Spirit".
Jude 19 "Have the Spirit" changed to "having spirituality." Similar to Gal. 6:18 above, this revision attempts to obscure the separate presence of the Holy Spirit.
Revelation 3:14 "Ruler of God's creation" changed to "beginning of the creation by God." The altered prepositions distract from the sovereignty of Jesus indicated in the passage and suggests that the real power of creation was accomplished through the Father, as the JWs believe that Jesus is a created being.

U still dey kwantinue with your fallacies.. U no go repent ?
Make I give only one example for all the lie lie U copy & paste above.

Colossians 2:9 " The fullness of deity" is the same as the "fullness of the divine quality". The key word there is "divine" ,which means "deity". But in your corrupted & forged KJV, una dubiously smuggle "Godhead" put for there.(and Romans 1:20).


Chambers 21st century Dictionary says "divine" means "belonging or relating to,or coming from God or a god".

Therefore, the dictionary description fits perfectly with John 1:1 (NWT) rendition which correctly reads " ...a god was the word..."
This is solid proof that Jesus is not Almighty God ,his Father.

Mr Solite3, is "Godhead" the same in meaning with deity or divine?
"Mr solite3, your "Godhead" dey for inside Bible manuscript?


In Hebrew 9:14 , pls explain to nairalanders, what is the difference between "eternal spirit" & "everlasting spirit"?


U are so blinded by your falsehood sotayy U see the truth U dey deny & confuse yourself.

Sotayy U dey use KJV based on the corrupted & proven forgeries of the textus receptus dey find fault with a more accurate rendition in NWT which is based on the older more reliable manuscripts of the holy scriptures.
U come here dey defend lie lie, U no get shame?

solite3:
what you called called corrupted and forged were either the implied meaning or using the another word with same meaning.

Shey your "Godhead" mean deity for trinity vocabulary but eee no dey inside Bible manuscript. (Colossians 2:9. Roman 1:20). If U be English teacher U set exam, your students give U "Godhead". as another word for "deity ", make U talk true, U go dash them pass mark ?

solite3:
Like the Mormon's Bible, the NWT was translated with help of the Holy Spirit: (inspiration)
If you notice the very significant Watchtower quote below, they do not claim the translators knew Greek and Hebrew, only that they were "experienced" and "anointed". By experienced, they mean that they had been JW's for a long time and would tow the party line. By "anointed", they mean inspired by the Holy Spirit. So not only do JW's believe that the Watchtower is inspired, they believe the NWT is translated by inspiration. This is the same claim that Joseph Smith made when he translated the Book of Mormon. 1. "a translation committee of experienced anointed Christians was organized to produce the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures in English." (Watchtower, October 15, 1997, How the Bible Came to Us, p 11-12)
2. Mr. Franz was asked to explain how "translations and interpretations of the Bible were made." Franz replied that they " passed to the Holy Spirit who, invisible, communicates with Jehovah's Witnesses - and the publicity department." (Franz is the head of the Publicity Department).
A. The first thing you say to a JW's before you study with them is that you not accept anything from the NWT as authoritative. But they won't accept any other Bible in their heart, even though they might allow you to use one.
1. The NWT is so extremely biased & perverted, it is questionable if any Hebrew or Greek scholars worked on it. It is nothing more than a sectarian paraphrase, not a translation.
2. No one uses the NWT except the Jw's.
3. Jw's on the other hand will use nothing else!
4. It has undergone many revisions.
5. It is not a translation, but a corrupt sectarian paraphrase
B. Unlike every major translation, the NWT paraphrase was produced under a cloud of secrecy.
1. The Organization made this statement about the NWT: "It is the truth rather than its servant that should be honored and proclaimed," Russell wrote in 1900, adding: "There is too much disposition to credit truth to the preacher, forgetful that all truth is of God, who uses one or another servant in its proclamation as it may please him." This is the principal reason why writers and translators of Watch Tower publications, as well as members of the New World Bible Translation Committee, choose to remain anonymous. (Awake, Oct 22, 1989, p. 20)
2. During a court trial in Glasgow, Scotland in 1954, Franz was asked by the Government lawyer just who the translators were. Franz replied under oath: "That is an absolute secret. It will never be revealed now or even after death." Only someone with something to hide would be so intent on secrecy. He was asked: "What happens if somebody submits a translation. Does the committee examine it? Mr. Franz: No. I give it my 0.K., then the President, Mr. N. H. Knorr, has the last word." He was further asked to explain how "translations and interpretations of the Bible were made." Franz replied that they emanated from God: "passed to the Holy Spirit who, invisible, communicates with Jehovah's Witnesses - and the publicity department." (Franz is the head of the Publicity Department).
C. The NWT translators were: Nathan Knorr, Albert Schroeder, George Gangas, Fred Franz, M. Henschel
"Fred Franz however, was the only one with sufficient knowledge of the Bible languages to attempt translation of this kind. He had studied Greek for two years in the University of Cincinnati but was only self-taught in Hebrew." ["Crisis of Conscience"; by Raymond Franz; Commentary Press, Atlanta; 1983 edition; footnote 15; page 50.]
Four out of the five men on the committee had no Hebrew or Greek training at all. They had only a high school education. Franz studied Greek for two years at the University of Cincinnati, but dropped out after his sophomore year. When asked in a Scotland courtroom if he could translate Genesis 2:4 into Hebrew, Franz replied that he could not. The truth is that Franz was unable to translate Hebrew or Greek.
What we are left with is a very inexperienced translating committee that twisted Scripture to make it fit the Society's doctrine.
D. Original published statements to document this can be found in
1. Raymond Franz', Crisis of Conscience, p. 50 (Franz, Knorr, Schroeder, Gangas),
2. William Cetnar's, Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses, pp. 68-9 (Franz, Knorr, Schroeder, Gangas, Henschel)
3. Jerry Bergman's, Jehovah's Witnesses and Kindred Groups, p. 39 (Franz).
4. Interestingly, both Cetnar and Bergman set forth material that indicates that the well-known Bible Scholar Edgar J. Goodspeed had some input to the NWT. Cetnar indicates that Goodspeed was not terribly pleased with the result.
E. Examples of mistranslation within NWT in order to teach their that Jesus was created:
First and most obviously to anyone who has looked at the NWT is the appearance of JEHOVAH in the NT portion over two hundred times where the Greek text has KURIOS (LORD). The second way in which the NWT has systematically abused the divine names or titles is in its handling of text in which Jesus is called God (Isa 9:6; John 1:1,18; 20:28; Rom 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1; 1 John 5:20; Acts 20:28) , of these, the NWT translates four so that Jesus is not called God at all
(Rom 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1) , and two so that he is "A god" or "god" (John 1:1, 18) . The remaining three texts (Isa 9:6; John 20:28; 1 John 5:20) , are not mistranslated, but are interpreted so that either Jesus is not called God at all or he is called God only in a lesser sense. In short, wherever possible, the NWT translates texts that call Jesus God in such a way as to keep the text from making that identification!
Genesis 1:2 "Spirit of God" changed to "God's active force." The revision modifies the original noun with a more impersonal form as the JWs reject the orthodox Christian belief in the personality of the Holy Spirit.
Exodus 3:14 "I am" changed to "I shall prove to be." The revision clouds the connection between God's self proclaimed title and Jesus' proclamation of being the same in John 8:58, as the JW rejects the deity of Jesus.
Numbers 1:52 "Under his own standard" changed to "by his [three-tribe] division." The Hebrew word degal translated as "standard" literally means flag or banner. Since the JWs regard saluting a flag as an act of idolatry, the text has been altered according to their doctrinal bias. (Same revision found in Num. 2:2, 3, 10, 18, 25; 10: 14, 18, 22, 25.)
Isaiah 43:10 "Nor will there be one after me" changed to "after me there continued to be none." The original future tense of the verb indicates that there will never be another being sharing in God's divinity. The altered tense suggests credibility to the JW doctrine of Jesus' becoming a "mighty god" while still being less than Jehovah in nature. (See the John 1: I discussion below for another expression of this JW distortion.)
Ecclesiastes 12:7 "The spirit returns" changed to "the spirit itself returns." The passage indicates the return of a human spirit to God after death. Since the JWs believe in an unconscious state after death, "itself' has been inserted to suggest a more impersonal reference to spirit.
Matthew 2:11 "Bowed down and worshipped him" changed to "did obeisance to it" The JWs evade recognizing Jesus as worthy of worship as a divine being by altering the form of honor that he receives from men and angels. The Greek word proskuneo literally means "worship." The use of "obeisance" is a NWT adaptation. (Same revision found in Matt. 8:2; 9:18, 14:33; 15:25; 28:9, 17; Mark 5:6; 15:19; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; Heb. 1:6.)

LIES & HALF TRUTHS galore.....

"I am that am" is not even in Hebrew language, neither is it in the Hebrew masoretic texts.
Every Bible scholar knows it.

No Jew would make that dubious utterance smuggled into Christendom.

It would do U good to spend time to research on the more accurate renditions of those verses U put up above than copy & paste the half truths & misrepresentations of online bloggers seeking for traffic.

JWs use all Bibles more than U who is fixated with only one Bible version,
the one U find convenient to propagate your lie lie...
(Pls
visit jw.org & read any Bible translations U see there.) That's why we can confidently identify which Bible versions gives a more accurate rendition of the oldest manuscripts.

Thanks to advances in technology, any inquisitive , honest hearted individual can conduct a thorough personal research to discover what's true or forged

The NT writers ,and even Jesus himself quoted extensively from the OT, and as such, it is proper to use the Divine name because they used it too. (Deut 8:3, Matt 4:4) ..
LORD (kyrios) is not the Divine name. In Koine Greek , "Yave" ( also called Iehovah in Greek) the Divine name was substituted for LORD.

Peacefullove:


Hello friend,

Go back and answer those questions

The solite3 guy know say he go use him own hand condemn him falsehood if he ever responds to your questions & mine too that he has been dodging.... Lols.

Peacefullove, shalom.

OneJ:


The solite3 guy know say he go use him own hand condemn him falsehood if he ever responds to your questions & mine too that he has been dodging.... Lols.

Peacefullove, shalom.

not change and substituted the word of God for something else.
kjv is inspired.
I can't keep on going round in circles, if there is any issue keep reading my previous post until you understand better. you and peaceful love

MuttleyLaff:


So shall My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire ,
And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
- Isaiah 55:11

I will bow down toward Thy holy temple,
And give thanks unto Thy name for Thy mercy and for Thy truth;
For Thou hast magnified Thy word above all Thy name.
- Psalm 138:2

You can respect your word, you can value your word, your word can carry substance or carry weight,
you can send your word on errand to accomplish things for you
and that the word not return void back to you without achieving that you sent it about

Word, is and can be, so powerful,
that by mere obeying the prompt of the Word, standing on the Word and focusing on the Word,
just like the Peter did, one can do, a once in a lifetime, out of this world, extraordinary and supernatural thing

Good!. So why do you find it difficult accepting that Jesus is God's word?.. Why do you seek to separate Jesus Christ from God?. Why do you try to make them two far different persons.

Your word is distinct from you, but can never be separate from you, neither can your word exist without you.

Jesus Christ is the word of God, and the visible image of the invisible God.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


Read this passage below carefully and critically, and see who Jesus Christ really is.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

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Hmm... Did you understand what you responded to in the first place?. Are you saying angels assume the titles of God's name when presenting their message?, I strongly disagree. You said it yourself. They tell who they are, their names, who they serve and who sent them. Never in the bible did any angel assume the names of God, or His position and title like Jesus did, why because Jesus is not like them nor is He in their rank. In fact, the angels were made by Him.

Some one may say trinity does not guarantee salvation, that's true, but what if the person denying the trinity is actually denying who Jesus Christ really is, does that not affect his salvation.

I see your clever maneuvering around the subject, but you can't deny the truth.

Revelation 1:9 [b]I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Everytime human beings have attempted to worship an angel of God, they've always resisted it. But we see in the passage above, that when John bowed down to worship Jesus, He never objected, then He said... I am alpha and omega...!. And here you're saying what does that mean, just so you could wave it aside. You can deceive other people, but you can't deceive yourself and God. It's not how well you can quote the scriptures, the devil does it very well, but he's a devil.

Seek the real Jesus, otherwise salvation is far away. Jesus loves you.

The JWs claim to believe in the Holy Spirit, but they merely reffer to Him as mere force. That's false teaching!, why?, because they're against trinity. But that's clearly against the scriptures.

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Who else through out the bible have ever said this like Jesus said?. What does that mean?.

If a your father is a king or a chief, and he sends you in an errand somewhere, do you go there to say, I the king of so and so kingdom said this and that, do you not acknowledge the original source?, but whereby the original source and the messenger are one and the same what do you then expect?.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


Seek and know the real Jesus Christ.

solite3:
not change and substituted the word of God for something else.
kjv is inspired.
I can't keep on going round in circles, if there is any issue keep reading my previous post until you understand better. you and peaceful love

Hello young man, Here are the real issue. reply to it please


Okay. . fast question: Since your Bible admit that Creation can mean to be Born ( Psalm 90:2 Mountains are Born ) , The first creation that was born should be called what ?



Not just a son but a begotten son, Solite3 see your life, See how you are struggling to answer a simple question all because you know it can expose your lies


Begotten meaning :

egotten - /bɪˈɡɒt(ə)n/
1. past participle of beget.

beget - /bɪˈɡɛt/
verb
1. (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.




How was Jesus begotten or BRING INTO EXISTENCE? By sexual intercourse or by Creation

Peacefullove:





Hello young man, Here are the real issue. reply to it please


Okay. . fast question: Since your Bible admit that Creation can mean to be Born ( Psalm 90:2 Mountains are Born ) , The first creation that was born should be called what ?



Not just a son but a begotten son, Solite3 see your life, See how you are struggling to answer a simple question all because you know it can expose your lies


Begotten meaning :

egotten - /bɪˈɡɒt(ə)n/
1. past participle of beget.

beget - /bɪˈɡɛt/
verb
1. (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.




How was Jesus begotten or BRING INTO EXISTENCE? By sexual intercourse or by Creation

for the sake of others I will repeat it

firstborn does not mean first created


Psalms 89:27
Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

in the verse above God promised to make Davd his firstborn, it doesn't mean God was making David the first creature but an exaltation of the Davidic throne.


Question: "What does it mean that Jesus is the 'first-born' over Creation?"
Answer: In a letter to the church at Colossae, the Apostle Paul gave an intriguing description of Jesus. In it, he explained Christ's relationship to God the Father and to creation. Some have claimed that Paul’s description of Christ as the first-born of creation means that Jesus was created -- not eternal, not God. Such a doctrine, however, conflicts with the rest of the Bible. Christ could not be both Creator and created; John 1 clearly names Him Creator. Let’s take a careful look at the passage where Jesus is called the first-born.
Colossians 1:15-21
“And He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the first-born from the dead; so that He Himself might come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.”
Jesus is God
Christ’s relationship to His Father begins with the phrase "the image of the invisible God." The word “image,” meaning copy or likeness, expresses Christ's deity. This word involves more than a resemblance, more than a representation. He is God! Although He took on human form, He has the exact nature of His Father (Hebrews 1:3).
The "Word" of John 1:1 is a divine Person, not a philosophical abstraction. In the incarnation, the invisible God became visible in Christ; deity was clothed with humanity (Matthew 17:2). God is in Christ: visible, audible, approachable, knowable, and available. All that God is, Christ is.
Jesus is Lord of Creation
The description "first-born of all creation" speaks of Christ’s preexistence. He is not a creature but the eternal Creator (John 1:10). God created the world through Christ and redeemed the world through Christ (Hebrews 1:2-4).
Note that Jesus is called the first-born, not the first-created. The word "first-born" (Greek word "prototokos" signifies priority. In the culture of the Ancient Near East, the first-born was not necessarily the oldest child. First-born referred not to birth order but to rank. The first-born possessed the inheritance and leadership.
Therefore, the phrase expresses Christ's sovereignty over creation. After resurrecting Jesus from the dead, God gave Him authority over the Earth (Matthew 28:18). Jesus created the world, saved the world, and rules the world. He is the self-existent, acknowledged Head of creation.
Finally, the phrase recognizes Him as the Messiah: "I will make Him [Christ] My first-born, higher than the kings of the earth" (Psalm 89:27).
Six times the Lord Jesus is declared to be the first-born of God (see Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:15, 18; Hebrews 1:6; 12:23; Revelation 1:5). These passages declare the preexistence, the sovereignty, and the redemption that Christ offers.
Thus, the phrase "first-born of all creation" proclaims Christ’s preeminence. As the eternal Son of God, He created the universe. He is the Ruler of creation!

solite3:



for the sake of others I will repeat it

firstborn does not mean first created


Psalms 89:27
Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

in the verse above God promised to make Davd his firstborn, it doesn't mean God was making David the first creature but an exaltation of the Davidic throne.


Question: "What does it mean that Jesus is the 'first-born' over Creation?"
Answer: In a letter to the church at Colossae, the Apostle Paul gave an intriguing description of Jesus. In it, he explained Christ's relationship to God the Father and to creation. Some have claimed that Paul’s description of Christ as the first-born of creation means that Jesus was created -- not eternal, not God. Such a doctrine, however, conflicts with the rest of the Bible. Christ could not be both Creator and created; John 1 clearly names Him Creator. Let’s take a careful look at the passage where Jesus is called the first-born.
Colossians 1:15-21
“And He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the first-born from the dead; so that He Himself might come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.”
Jesus is God
Christ’s relationship to His Father begins with the phrase "the image of the invisible God." The word “image,” meaning copy or likeness, expresses Christ's deity. This word involves more than a resemblance, more than a representation. He is God! Although He took on human form, He has the exact nature of His Father (Hebrews 1:3).
The "Word" of John 1:1 is a divine Person, not a philosophical abstraction. In the incarnation, the invisible God became visible in Christ; deity was clothed with humanity (Matthew 17:2). God is in Christ: visible, audible, approachable, knowable, and available. All that God is, Christ is.
Jesus is Lord of Creation
The description "first-born of all creation" speaks of Christ’s preexistence. He is not a creature but the eternal Creator (John 1:10). God created the world through Christ and redeemed the world through Christ (Hebrews 1:2-4).
Note that Jesus is called the first-born, not the first-created. The word "first-born" (Greek word "prototokos" signifies priority. in the culture of the Ancient Near East, the first-born was not necessarily the oldest child. First-born referred not to birth order but to rank. The first-born possessed the inheritance and leadership.
Therefore, the phrase expresses Christ's sovereignty over creation. After resurrecting Jesus from the dead, God gave Him authority over the Earth (Matthew 28:18). Jesus created the world, saved the world, and rules the world. He is the self-existent, acknowledged Head of creation.
Finally, the phrase recognizes Him as the Messiah: "I will make Him [Christ] My first-born, higher than the kings of the earth" (Psalm 89:27).
Six times the Lord Jesus is declared to be the first-born of God (see Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:15, 18; Hebrews 1:6; 12:23; Revelation 1:5). These passages declare the preexistence, the sovereignty, and the redemption that Christ offers.
Thus, the phrase "first-born of all creation" proclaims Christ’s preeminence. As the eternal Son of God, He created the universe. He is the Ruler of creation!

Solite3, Its unfortunate that you have grown so low in your defences that you can't reply in your own words except you quote the above gabbage .


Let us examine the copy and paste presented

At RED _ the first born is not necessarily the oldest child, But he is a CHILD!!! Fact

Again , you admit Jesus is called First BORN of God.

God born mountains too, So how was Jesus Born ? How is he a Child ?

I need your response

begotten - /bɪˈɡɒt(ə)n/
1. past participle of beget.

beget - /bɪˈɡɛt/
verb
1. (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.




How was Jesus begotten or BRING INTO EXISTENCE? By sexual intercourse or by Creation

cc: Solite3

Peacefullove:

begotten - /bɪˈɡɒt(ə)n/
1. past participle of beget.

beget - /bɪˈɡɛt/
verb
1. (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.




How was Jesus begotten or BRING INTO EXISTENCE? By sexual intercourse or by Creation

cc: Solite3

Read the reply again carefully. it explains to you what firstborn mean.
bring up any bible verse that tells you Jesus was created.
there volumes of verses that tell you Jesus was not created but you ignore them.
Jesus the only begotten Son of God was not created but he was with the father from all eternity.
Begotten means he carried the full and complete nature of God and has a special relationship as a Son to a Father.

solite3:
Read the reply again carefully. it explains to you what firstborn mean.

Yes, it says firstborn doesn't necessarily have to he the first child .

By so doing , it never denies Jesus is a Child of someone.

Does a Child have a beginning ?

bring up any bible verse that tells you Jesus was created.

Bring up a verse that said directly that Mountains are created. ?

But I have a verse that said He is First that was BORN of all creation. Basic evidence 101

Just as I have a verse that said Mountains are BORN

Both means the same thing. They were both " BORN " , how ? I guess you know how

there volumes of verses that tell you Jesus was not created but you ignore them.
Jesus the only begotten Son of God was not created but he was with the father from all eternity.
Begotten means he carried the full and complete nature of God and has a special relationship as a Son to a Father .

Solite3 in a state of confusion

THE QUESTION says HOW WAS HE BEGOTTEN ? Comprehende

Of course, Same Greek word was applied to Isaac , How was Isaac only begotten ? Did he have a beginning ? Now did Jesus have a beginning as a Son ?

Waiting for your response

Peacefullove:


Yes, it says firstborn doesn't necessarily have to he the first child .

By so doing , it never denies Jesus is a Child of someone.

Does a Child have a beginning ?



Bring up a verse that said directly that Mountains are created. ?

But I have a verse that said He is First that was BORN of all creation. Basic evidence 101

Just as I have a verse that said Mountains are BORN

Both means the same thing. They were both " BORN " , how ? I guess you know how



Solite3 in a state of confusion

THE QUESTION says HOW WAS HE BEGOTTEN ? Vomprehende

Of course, Same Greek word was applied to Isaac , How was Isaac only begotten ? Did he have a beginning ? Now did Jesus have a beginning as a Son ?

Waiting for your response

Isaac has a created father but Jesus has an uncreated father let's say like father like son.

Mountains were created because God created all things.

solite3:
Isaac has a created father but Jesus has an uncreative father let's say like father like son.

Eeyah having an uncreated father equals not created, why are you like this ?

Abraham all sons also have a created Father

And all God's Sons as well have an uncreated Father. Making the angels uncreated ?

Mountains were created because God created all things.

Jesus was created because all things CAME FROM HIS FATHER.

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Hmm... Did you understand what you responded to in the first place?. Are you saying angels assume the titles of God's name when presenting their message?, I strongly disagree. You said it yourself. They tell who they are, their names, who they serve and who sent them. Never in the bible did any angel assume the names of God, or His position and title like Jesus did, why because Jesus is not like them nor is He in their rank. In fact, the angels were made by Him.

Some one may say trinity does not guarantee salvation, that's true, but what if the person denying the trinity is actually denying who Jesus Christ really is, does that not affect his salvation.

Jesus is the Son of God Almighty not God Almighty. Stop confusing yourself sir.

I see your clever maneuvering around the subject, but you can't deny the truth.

Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, [b]for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

You can't twist this verse to say something different to support your man made doctrine.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Even the Rev 1:9 you quoted up there says it all..check the bolded.

If Jesus is God Almighty, who gave him revelation here?

Who does Jesus hear from?

Who's word is Jesus?

Everytime human beings have attempted to worship an angel of God, they've always resisted it. But we see in the passage above, that when John bowed down to worship Jesus, He never objected, then He said... I am alpha and omega...!. And here you're saying what does that mean, just so you could wave it aside. You can deceive other people, but you can't deceive yourself and God. It's not how well you can quote the scriptures, the devil does it very well, but he's a devil.

Where exactly did John worshipped Jesus in the verses you quoted above?

Jesus is the Son of God, He was begotten by God Almighty, he was anointed and appointed by God Almighty.

Surely the truth has come to you and it is as clear as ever.

Seek the real Jesus, otherwise salvation is far away. Jesus loves you.

The JWs claim to believe in the Holy Spirit, but they merely reffer to Him as mere force. That's false teaching!, why?, because they're against trinity. But that's clearly against the scriptures.

The real Jesus said he is the Son of God but you Primesky said no he is God Almighty.

Who else through out the bible have ever said this like Jesus said?. What does that mean?.

If a your father is a king or a chief, and he sends you in an errand somewhere, do you go there to say, I the king of so and so kingdom said this and that, do you not acknowledge the original source?, but whereby the original source and the messenger are one and the same what do you then expect?.

If Jesus is God Almighty, who sent Him?
Who does Jesus hear from?
who's will was he seeking? because Jesus seeks not his own will but the will of the father God Almighty.

John 14:7 [b]If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
[b]

Jesus is the image of the invisible God the father not the Father, he (Jesus) came to make the father known. Stop quoting scriptures out of context.

Seek and know the real Jesus Christ.

Seriously, you need to seek and know the real Jesus, yes! the Son of God.

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I insist my brother you will not lose your reward in Heaven for helping out a brother in Christ, brother Primesky

solite3:

kjv is inspired.

Inspired indeed, but by whom? And to what end?

Here is what Christianity.com has to say on the matter:

Consider how preposterous it was to have a team of elite scholars writing for a largely illiterate public. We can only stand back in amazement at their achievement. Think how ludicrous the translation mandate was. It called for a product commissioned to reinforce a clear-cut royal political agenda, to be done by elite scholarly committees, reviewed by a self-serving bureaucracy, with ultimate approval reserved to an absolutist monarch. The final product was intended primarily for public and popular consumption. It was to be read orally -- intended more to be heard in public than to be read in private

STORY BEHIND KING JAMES BIBLE

Also listen to this very short history on how it was written.

tomakint:

I insist my brother you will not lose your reward in Heaven for helping out a brother in Christ, brother Primesky

Amen!. God bless you too brother. We shall stand together, work together in God's vineyard, and sing the victory song before the throne. Thanks bro.

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You're responding to what you don't yet understand, that's just the problem.

Jesus Christ is 'the son of God!. Who else has that title?.But you don't even understand what that means.

Jesus Christ is the word of God, is your word different from you, though being distinct?.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The bible tells us that Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. So are they not the same?. Is your image a different person from you, though it be distinct?. If someone sees my picture, will they say it's a different person?. Can my picture do anything at all without my power?, Can't I send my picture any where to represent me, as we do with our pass port photo graph?.

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

The Jews wanted to Stone Jesus Christ because He said, He is the son of God, and that by doing so, He made Himself equal with God, do you understand it better than the jews?.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Why should they attempt to stone Jesus Christ, are we not God's children after all?, are the angels not sons of God?. But there's something special about being 'the Son of God'!, sorry english language can't explain it to you. Otherwise the jews wouldn't have said what they said, or attempted what they did.

Again read the bible very well, before you counter the truth. John clearly bowed down to worship Jesus Christ, and that was clearly stated, but you have denied it.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Again, I ask you, how many first and last can there be?

Please, seek the Holy Spirit to open your understanding, and stop defending the lies of a man. The bible is very clear about these things. Thank you.

Primesky:


You're responding to what you don't yet understand, that's just the problem.

Jesus Christ is 'the son of God!. Who else has that title?.But you don't even understand what that means.

Jesus Christ is the word of God, is your word different from you, though being distinct?.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The bible tells us that Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. So are they not the same?. Is your image a different person from you, though it be distinct?. If someone sees my picture, will they say it's a different person?. Can my picture do anything at all without my power?, Can't I send my picture any where to represent me, as we do with our pass port photo graph?.

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

The Jews wanted to Stone Jesus Christ because He said, He is the son of God, and that by doing so, He made Himself equal with God, do you understand it better than the jews?.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Why should they attempt to stone Jesus Christ, are we not God's children after all?, are the angels not sons of God?. But there's something special about being 'the Son of God'!, sorry english language can't explain it to you. Otherwise the jews wouldn't have said what they said, or attempted what they did.

Again read the bible very well, before you counter the truth. John clearly bowed down to worship Jesus Christ, and that was clearly stated, but you have denied it.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Again, I ask you, how many first and last can there be?

Please, seek the Holy Spirit to open your understanding, and stop defending the lies of a man. The bible is very clear about these things. Thank you.

Jesus is the Son of God. Stop having problem with that.

Your picture looks exactly like you but it is not you in substance(flesh and blood).

Stop speaking from both sides of your mouth. Jesus was sent by someone higher in power and authority than him.

Trinity is not biblical and will never be.

Shalom Aleikhem

Primesky:
Good!.
So why do you find it difficult accepting that Jesus is God's word?..
Why do you seek to separate Jesus Christ from God?.
Why do you try to make them two far different persons.

Who are you addressing these questions to?

Primesky:
Your word is distinct from you, but can never be separate from you, neither can your word exist without you.

Jesus Christ is the word of God, and the visible image of the invisible God.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


Read this passage below carefully and critically, and see who Jesus Christ really is.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

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Who did you create and address this straw man to?

Maamin:


Jesus is the Son of God. Stop having problem with that.

Your picture looks exactly like you but it is not you in substance(flesh and blood).

Stop speaking from both sides of your mouth. Jesus was sent by someone higher in power and authority than him.

Trinity is not biblical and will never be.

Shalom Aleikhem

Your believe. Which one is speaking from both sides of the mouth. Do you understand what you're replying. Is God flesh and blood?. Oh Lord!, you can never understand the scriptures with canal mind, it won't work!. If your picture is you, is there any difference between you both?. More so, if such comparison is along spiritual lines. It's true we have baby Christians.

You guys don't understand this thing, yet you're the ones taking it overboard.

Why did the Jews seek to stone Jesus?. By claiming He is 'the Son of God', they said, He made himself equal with God, which for them is blasphemy, and for that, they sort to kill Him. Did you see that in your Bible?. Jesus is the son of God, means more than you naturally interpret it. You need the word of God revealed to you to understand this.


Since we have Christians of different level of maturity, and exposure and encounter with God, worse of, those who do not believe in the person of the Holy Spirit, I will purse on this subject. My worry is seeing the false religion of Jehovah witness coming here to spew absolute falsehood all the while pretending to be true. All the questions I asked them, they couldn't answer. They dodge those ones because it exposes their false religion. But they're fast with scripture twisting.

May God save His people from subtle lies cloaked in human reasoning.

Primesky:


Your believe. Which one is speaking from both sides of the mouth. Do you understand what you're replying. Is God flesh and blood?. Oh Lord!, you can never understand the scriptures with canal mind, it won't work!. If your picture is you, is there any difference between you both?. More so, if such comparison is along spiritual lines. It's true we have baby Christians.

You guys don't understand this thing, yet you're the ones taking it overboard.

Why did the Jews seek to stone Jesus?. By claiming He is 'the Son of God', they said, He made himself equal with God, which for them is blasphemy, and for that, they sort to kill Him. Did you see that in your Bible?. Jesus is the son of God, means more than you naturally interpret it. You need the word of God revealed to you to understand this.


Since we have Christians of different level of maturity, and exposure and encounter with God, worse of, those who do not believe in the person of the Holy Spirit, I will purse on this subject. My worry is seeing the false religion of Jehovah witness coming here to spew absolute falsehood all the while pretending to be true. All the questions I asked them, they couldn't answer. They dodge those ones because it exposes their false religion. But they're fast with scripture twisting.

May God save His people from subtle lies cloaked in human reasoning.

SERIAL. LIAR, U dodged the questions labelled. "A to E" that 'Peacefullove' asked U on the thread for hellfire topic.
That topic is still trending on this (religion) section of NL.



Previously, U asked me "Who then is Jesus Christ?" My reply was that "I wonder if your brain go fit reason on the answer Matt16:13-17. "You are the Christ. The son of the son of the Living God", Christ said his Father revealed it to Simon Peter.



U threw shades at me rather than confirm what U read in Matt 16:13-17 ( Go read your response in No 11 of this thread).


U usually resort to shades & spurious claims rather than respond to questions put to U.
Stop lying, Oga Primesky.


"We are not stoning you for any of these", replied the Jews,"but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man,claim to be God"..... why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I AM GOD'S SON" John 10:33-36.

The Jews made the false allegation that Jesus "claim to be God".
Jesus replied them that he is God's son.

Don't get it twisted


"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...". John 3:16.
Oga, this Truth is so unpalatable to your ears, go remove am from your Bible na !

Angel na son of God , Jesus Christ na son of God, man na son of God. Until U beg Baba God to give U sense of understanding, your brain no go reset.

Trinity is a man made fallacy. A lie remains a lie, whether U call am Godhead, 3 in 1, 1 in 3 etc.
(Matt 28:19 no call am 3 in 1. Una go forge the lie put for 1 John 5:7kjv, make eee for sweet well well. What a dubious forgery!)
If U like keep throwing shade , U just dey waste your time.

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Your believe. Which one is speaking from both sides of the mouth. Do you understand what you're replying. Is God flesh and blood?. Oh Lord!, you can never understand the scriptures with canal mind, it won't work!. If your picture is you, is there any difference between you both?. More so, if such comparison is along spiritual lines. It's true we have baby Christians.

According to you Jesus is Yahweh, so you tell me if he is flesh and blood.

For the record, yes! There is difference between my picture and I, for the fact that it is the exact projection of my rigorous figure and appearance. It is still not the real me, it can't be my boss, it is inanimate, I can send my picture anywhere I deem fit to represent me as long as it will be accepted and serve the purpose.

You guys don't understand this thing, yet you're the ones taking it overboard.

You are the one taking it overboard here. It is very clear like a black gaot in daylight.

Why did the Jews seek to stone Jesus?. By claiming He is 'the Son of God', they said, He made himself equal with God, which for them is blasphemy, and for that, they sort to kill Him. Did you see that in your Bible?. Jesus is the son of God, means more than you naturally interpret it. You need the word of God revealed to you to understand this.

Oh now when I say Jesus is the Son of God my own interpretation suddenly doesn't measure up to what is required to you..hmmmm!

The Jews seek to kill him because they wrongly thought Jesus was blasphemous.

Since we have Christians of different level of maturity, and exposure and encounter with God, worse of, those who do not believe in the person of the Holy Spirit, I will purse on this subject. My worry is seeing the false religion of Jehovah witness coming here to spew absolute falsehood all the while pretending to be true. All the questions I asked them, they couldn't answer. They dodge those ones because it exposes their false religion. But they're fast with scripture twisting.

May God save His people from subtle lies cloaked in human reasoning.

I am not JW just so you know.


Shalom aleikhem!

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Oh the Jews erroneously thought he was blasphemous. Indeed!

I have said before, as long as you guys don't believe not understand the way and things of the spirit,even as you guys do not believe in the Person of the Holy Spirit, it will be difficult for you to grasp this truths. Look at how you're interpreting the picture/image example, purely human, is as if I'm talking to a complete unbeliever. Now, the image is one and the same person, but different capacity and ability. Don't forget we're talking about a spirit being here. I once gave example of this using water, ice and vapour, and I said, that though they be one, they're have different roles and capacities, but are one and the same. How difficult is that to understand?. Oh Lord please have mercy on your people.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

If there exist a Godhead, what or who make up the Godhead?. We are the body of Christ, and He is the head of the church. If the Godhead dwells in Him bodily, who and who make up the Godhead according to the scriptures?.

Will you also say the writer erroneously wrote that?.