Primesky:


I agree with you on this one sir.

Although, I wish we wouldn't be arguing about anything here, but that matter is very important. I know you are looking at it from an angle, and I am looking at it from an angle obviously different from you.

Do you agree that you as a single person, you're a trinity made up of body, soul and spirit?.

You keep getting it twisted with your illustrations, you must understand that for the mere fact that Humans are tripartite beings made up of Body, Soul and Spirit doesn't make God Almighty so. The origin of Trinity Doctrine is enough for you to know that it is not Biblical. If you are still arguing on this, then you will do well to explain to us what the Bible was saying in the Book of Revelations chapter 5 verse 6 when it mentioned the Seven Spirits of God. You must understand that there is no mystery whatsoever attached to the Doctrine of Trinity as widely said but just confusion. If you think I am joking, try to ask 10 different members of your church where you fellowship who are workers and seek their opinions on The Trinity I can assure you that you will be shocked at their submissions. Try it and see.

Primesky:


I agree with you on this one sir.

Although, I wish we wouldn't be arguing about anything here, but that matter is very important. I know you are looking at it from an angle, and I am looking at it from an angle obviously different from you.

Do you agree that you as a single person, you're a trinity made up of body, soul and spirit?.

Well if going by man's definition i can CHOOSE to agree with any theory i like, but going by the Bible (God's word) i'll say NO! Because according to the Bible man is a soul just like every other creatures on this planet and souls don't last forever if God didn't allow it(Ezekiel 18:4) and we're all having the same spirit which is the breath of life that's activating the body, whenever the breath or spirit stops functioning we drop dead just like every other creatures.(Psalms 146:3,4¦Ecclesiastes 3:19,20¦9:4-10)The only difference between man and beast is our God's given intellect to choose between right and wrong(image of God)that's all! The soul simply means the information you gathered in your brains:names,hobby,taste,specialisation and all other important info represents your soul but all will be active as long as the body lives, immediately the body stops functioning they're gradually deleted. The only hope of downloading everything back depends on God's will and that's if you're not going to harm others, that's why Jesus constantly warns His followers to be careful of what they keep in their brains. Matthew 5:27,28¦ 6:19,20¦ 7:24-27

tomakint:


You keep getting it twisted with your illustrations, you must understand that for the mere fact that Humans are tripartite beings made up of Body, Soul and Spirit doesn't make God Almighty so. The origin of Trinity Doctrine is enough for you to know that it is not Biblical. If you are still arguing on this, then you will do well to explain to us what the Bible was saying in the Book of Revelations chapter 5 verse 6 when it mentioned the Seven Spirits of God. You must understand that there is no mystery whatsoever attached to the Doctrine of Trinity as widely said but just confusion. If you think I am joking, try to ask 10 different members of your church where you fellowship who are workers and seek their opinions on The Trinity I can assure you that you will be shocked at their submissions. Try it and see.

If God made me and you a tripartite being, and then said to have made us in His own image, that gives us a clue of the reality. God's capacity on this scale is higher. I see your mind is made up on this. I have no intention to argue with a brother. How the unsaved can be saved is my primary concern here.

Neither you nor me know it all. We are still learning about God, in fact, no one angel knows everything about God, they too are learning and discovering Him continually despite being there for many ages. The deep things of God are communicated on a one on one basis. The closer you draw to God, the more mystery He reveals to you. For me, there are somethings I'm not even allowed to say in the open. You probably have yours, I don't know. It's just personal knowledge. Why?, we have believers of different levels of knowledge. Ultimately, let's try and make it home first (heaven) our Heavenly Father will show us more things and sure we will understand it better by and by.

Riofidelio:
Well if going by man's definition i can CHOOSE to agree with any theory i like, but going by the Bible (God's word) i'll say NO! Because according to the Bible man is a soul just like every other creatures on this planet and souls don't last forever if God didn't allow it(Ezekiel 18:4) and we're all having the same spirit which is the breath of life that's activating the body, whenever the breath or spirit stops functioning we drop dead just like every other creatures.(Psalms 146:3,4¦Ecclesiastes 3:19,20¦9:4-10)The only difference between man and beast is our God's given intellect to choose between right and wrong(image of God)that's all! The soul simply means the information you gathered in your brains:names,hobby,taste,specialisation and all other important info represents your soul but all will be active as long as the body lives, immediately the body stops functioning they're gradually deleted. The only hope of downloading everything back depends on God's will and that's if you're not going to harm others, that's why Jesus constantly warns His followers to be careful of what they keep in their brains. Matthew 5:27,28¦ 6:19,20¦ 7:24-27

Please, people of God know the bible for yourselves, I don't understand what in the world is happening, even though Jesus said it. The fact that one is quoting the right scriptures doesn't make his/her assertions correct. Don't believe me if you will, but take hold of the bible, read it like never before, back to back as many times as possible, but ensure you have a solid relationship with God through Jesus Christ, that's the only way not to be confused or decieved. The trick and subtlety is too thin to easily discover. I rest my case on this here.

Primesky:


Please, people of God know the bible for yourselves, I don't understand what in the world is happening, even though Jesus said it. The fact that one is quoting the right scriptures doesn't make his/her assertions correct. Don't believe me if you will, but take hold of the bible, read it like never before, back to back as many times as possible, but ensure you have a solid relationship with God through Jesus Christ, that's the only way not to be confused or decieved. The trick and subtlety is too thin to easily discover. I rest my case on this here.

Primesky: was Adam existing in the spirit realm before God created him on earth? Where did Adam go when he died? Man is a soul. He is body (dust,flesh ) plus breathe of life,(spirit ). Gen2:7. James 2:26. Gen3:19, Eccl12:7. 3:19,20. Ps alm104:29. 146:3,4.
God gave man the revelation that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God. (Matt16:13-17. Rev1:1. John20:30,31. 1Cor11:3. John14:28. Mark 1:1.) It's not rocket science. Shalom.

Primesky:


Please, people of God know the bible for yourselves, I don't understand what in the world is happening, even though Jesus said it. The fact that one is quoting the right scriptures doesn't make his/her assertions correct. Don't believe me if you will, but take hold of the bible, read it like never before, back to back as many times as possible, but ensure you have a solid relationship with God through Jesus Christ, that's the only way not to be confused or decieved. The trick and subtlety is too thin to easily discover. I rest my case on this here.

Well it's not a matter of resting a case you only need humility so that when you come in contact with someone with the power of the holy spirit to open up the scriptures with discernment before you you won't just continue arguing blindly based on popular customs and traditions that has no root in God's word! Isaiah 54:17¦Luke 24:32 So if you're unable to open the scriptures with efficacy my friend you need to meditate thoroughly and pray really hard because there's nothing Christlike in you therefore go back and check those teaching you if truly they're working for Jesus the wonderful counselor!

OneJ:

Primesky: was Adam existing in the spirit realm before God created him on earth? Where did Adam go when he died? Man is a soul. He is body (dust,flesh ) plus breathe of life,(spirit ). Gen2:7. James 2:26. Gen3:19, Eccl12:7. 3:19,20. Ps alm104:29. 146:3,4.
God gave man the revelation that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God. (Matt16:13-17. Rev1:1. John20:30,31. 1Cor11:3. John14:28. Mark 1:1.) It's not rocket science. Shalom.

He didn't know why their Pastors often warn them not to engage in biblical topics with true Christians! They thought Jesus who said "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free" don't know what He was saying, perhaps the truth is just that easy to come by yet majority of Jesus' contemporaries failed to grasp it and now it has become so cheap that every Dick and Harry could easily find! Matthew 7:13,14

tomakint:



I keep wondering where the issue or debates of "Jesus Christ Equal God Almighty should be debated" when Jesus Christ already addressed that issue in John 10: 30-38; 

30. I and my Father are one.
31.  Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33. The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35. If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36. Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37. If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Looking at Christ's own defense here is just ok for anyone who wants to learn that Christ never addressed himself as "God" but always call himself "Son of God" as seen in verse 36 where he countered the wrong insinuation by the Jews when they wrongly accused him of making himself "God" in verse 33.

I have heard some Pastors and teachers of the Holy Scriptures saying Jesus Christ was the same as "I AM THAT I AM" and even linked that to what Jesus said before the Jews in John 8: 58 when he said, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." which to me is barbaric and unscriptural. 

Some even take John 1: 1-5 as meaning Jesus Is God the Father when it is very clear here the word God here is what Jesus Christ said in John 10: 34; "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" here Christ was quoting Psalms 82:6; "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." here Jesus was trying to make the Jews realized that if mere men (mortals) are referred to as god then how much him that came from God, sanctified and ordered to be the Word of God to mankind cannot address himself as "Son of God"? (John 10: 35-36). 

If you are going with the Doctrine of Trinity as saying Jesus is of equal status as God Almighty then you are rewriting the Bible which should not be seen with someone professing Christ as his personal Lord and Saviour. Reflect on this, if Jesus is of equal status and form with God then why does the Bible say this; "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" (Deuteronomy 6:4) and you wondered why Jesus said the followings; 
"You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:28); "16. And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why do you call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19: 16 -17) you can study; Mark 10: 17-18, Luke 18: 18-19. It is very simple Jesus Christ gave all respect to His Father in Heaven as the only God that is Good and not even Him for he always "reverence His Father". I don't think it would be appropriate to say "a God is showing reverence to another God" which is clearly what you are insinuating. Jesus also said this about His God, my God, your God whom we worship; "But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:36). Even the book of Mark 13: 32 was deeper in this; "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."! As you can see if Jesus is God of equal power and form with God he wouldn't have said only God is good nor him accepting the fact that not even him as the "Son" knows the hour when the last days judgment shall come.

I can go on and on where Christ was speaking and not his Apostles now but him talking about his status with God which I believe you can relate to but let me stop here because I know as an Holy Spirit- filled reader of the Bible you can be guided by the Spirit of Wisdom and Truth to know more about Jesus Doctrine which is Divine and Doctrines of Men which is sensual. Take care and God bless you.

God bless u

OneJ:

Primesky: was Adam existing in the spirit realm before God created him on earth? Where did Adam go when he died? Man is a soul. He is body (dust,flesh ) plus breathe of life,(spirit ). Gen2:7. James 2:26. Gen3:19, Eccl12:7. 3:19,20. Ps alm104:29. 146:3,4.
God gave man the revelation that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God. (Matt16:13-17. Rev1:1. John20:30,31. 1Cor11:3. John14:28. Mark 1:1.) It's not rocket science. Shalom.

Man is a Spirit that have a soul and dwells in a body. Adam and all who ever lived on this earth are spririt who dwelth in a fleshly body. As such after death, they continue to exist as spirit in a waiting place either in heaven or hell until the final day. For you and your colleague, whatever scripture I give that doesn't suit your believe, you call it pagan doctrine. What away to buy minds. Look at these scriptures below, perhaps they are pagan doctrines as well.

Luke 16:23 [b]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

This story was told by Jesus himself!. Father Abraham who died long ago, is seen here active somewhere. The two new arrivals (rich man and Lazarus) we're clearly separated into waiting places based on the decisions they made when they were still alive in the body on earth. Yet, after the physical death, they continued to live. Is this one also a pagan doctrines from Jesus Christ?.


Deuteronomy 32:22 [b]For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
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All through the bible, we have clear warnings and descriptions of hell, and who goes there. But you won't see this, instead you call it pagan doctrine, just to give yourself a false sense of ease. You will surely account for all your decisions. You better repent.

If pastors are the ones instructing me, who then are the ones instructing you?.

Primesky:


Man is a Spirit that have a soul and dwells in a body. Adam and all who ever lived on this earth are spririt who dwelth in a fleshly body. As such after death, they continue to exist as spirit in a waiting place either in heaven or hell until the final day. For you and your colleague, whatever scripture I give that doesn't suit your believe, you call it pagan doctrine. What away to buy minds. Look at these scriptures below, perhaps they are pagan doctrines as well.

Luke 16:23 [b]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

This story was told by Jesus himself!. Father Abraham who died long ago, is seen here active somewhere. The two new arrivals (rich man and Lazarus) we're clearly separated into waiting places based on the decisions they made when they were still alive in the body on earth. Yet, after the physical death, they continued to live. Is this one also a pagan doctrines from Jesus Christ?.


Deuteronomy 32:22 [b]For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
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All through the bible, we have clear warnings and descriptions of hell, and who goes there. But you won't see this, instead you call it pagan doctrine, just to give yourself a false sense of ease. You will surely account for all your decisions. You better repent.

If pastors are the ones instructing me, who then are the ones instructing you?.

The problem here is cause by misinformed translators who thought they're interpreting the inspired writings but ended up confusing people. HELL~English =Sheol~Hebrew=Hades~Greek simply means GRAVE~simplified English. To help you grasp the concept you're asked "where was Adam before God created him on earth?" and "at death where did he go?" you've managed to fabricate unsupported theories about where he went after death but "where was Adam before creation?" Your fabrication has a hole so it's leaking as Lazarus who died was resurrected by Jesus. So if Lazarus's soul or spirit as you said has gone to heaven for rest or enjoyment what good has Jesus done for the guy by raising him for those murderers to start hunting for Lazarus again? You're quoting a parable of Jesus concerning Lazarus and the rich man to support the hellfire doctrine, OK (1)Who was Lazarus and what exactly was the virtuous works of Lazarus or is abject poverty a criteria for heaven? (2) Who was the rich man and what evil did the he do to warrant going to hell or is it a sin to be rich? (3) between the rich man's table and the gate of his house how many yards because Jesus said Lazarus often DESIRE to BE FED by the crumbs falling from the rich man's table and at the same time Lazarus is always at his gates? (4) what type of dog will be licking the sour in his legs that can't be chased of by Lazarus who is still very much alive? (5) where was Abraham sitting before Lazarus was taken to his bosom? (6) how close is heaven from hell? Please if you can unravel this sacred secrets then your hellfire doctrine could make a little sense!

Riofidelio:
The problem here is cause by misinformed translators who thought they're interpreting the inspired writings but ended up confusing people. HELL~English =Sheol~Hebrew=Hades~Greek simply means GRAVE~simplified English. To help you grasp the concept you're asked "where was Adam before God created him on earth?" and "at death where did he go?" you've managed to fabricate unsupported theories about where he went after death but "where was Adam before creation?" Your fabrication has a hole so it's leaking as Lazarus who died was resurrected by Jesus. So if Lazarus's soul or spirit as you said has gone to heaven for rest or enjoyment what good has Jesus done for the guy by raising him for those murderers to start hunting for Lazarus again? You're quoting a parable of Jesus concerning Lazarus and the rich man to support the hellfire doctrine, OK (1)Who was Lazarus and what exactly was the virtuous works of Lazarus or is abject poverty a criteria for heaven? (2) Who was the rich man and what evil did the he do to warrant going to hell or is it a sin to be rich? (3) between the rich man's table and the gate of his house how many yards because Jesus said Lazarus often DESIRE to BE FED by the crumbs falling from the rich man's table and at the same time Lazarus is always at his gates? (4) what type of dog will be licking the sour in his legs that can't be chased of by Lazarus who is still very much alive? (5) where was Abraham sitting before Lazarus was taken to his bosom? (6) how close is heaven from hell? Please if you can unravel this sacred secrets then your hellfire doctrine could make a little sense!

My dear stop lying!. Ahhh!. The Lazarus Jesus raised is different from the Lazarus in the story above. You don't even know the bible, and you just assume all manner of things to cover up your deceptions.

Please, stop blaming translation here. There are clear statement about hell fire. Some scriptures I gave above even mentioned flames. In the scripures below, both Jesus and James the apostle, clearly mentioned fire, Jesus Christ went further to say, the fire will be unquenchable. Then again, in the book of Revelation, we have lake of fire. How can you deny such obvious truth?.

Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

Adam began to exist on earth when God decided to create him. But Adam and you, and me and all mankind and the child that will be born tomorrow, all have been planned right from the foundation of the world. The choice we all will make is left for us. For instance, while we put a particular later date as the time of Jesus crucifixion, for God, the matter has already been concluded even before Adam was created. So the question, where was Adam before God created him, Adam was in God, God only formed the house (body) he came to dwell in. The real Adam is a spirit being and that came from God!. And all of us came from him, that's why his sins affected us even though we weren't born yet!. Where his spirit is now, I don't know. Whether Adam repented or not I don't know, so I can't tell where he is now. But I know from scriptures that after Jesus died, He went to preach to the spirits in prison. I gave you that passage. So after death, the spirits of the dead continue to live somewhere, Adam must be somewhere, but I don't know where.

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

How come God knew Jeremiah before He formed him in the belly?. Where was he that God knew him?.


Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

We all were made by God from one stock which is Adam, Adam became corrupted by sin which affected all of us, more like a virus affecting all of us. Rather than throwing all of us away, God deviced a way to salvage and redeem us. That redemption was through Jesus Christ. Now anybody who doesn't get cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ is automatically a waste, and it's by choice!, so no one can accuse God of being responsible for there being lost. I'm not going to go further here. I will not because of you, delve into deep knowledge that may confuse my young brothers and sisters. Since you've made up your mind to believe that the bible is a pagan doctrine, nothing I will say here will mean anything to you.

May the Lord open your eyes in Jesus name. Amen!

Primesky:


Peacefullove, there's only one God! I'm not saying there are two or three, that will be blasphemy. What I am saying is that we have one God who manifest himself in three personalities.

Primesky why , go study your holy book

Not according to your bible, there is one God, The Father . 1 Corinth 8 vs 6

Is the father composed of three personalities ?

He has even given us (man) a clue to who He is or How He is, in that He made us in His own image. Please answer the following questions below.


1. How many are you as a person? That I mean your entire personality is made up of what and what?.

Peacefulove is one single personality . not 3 persons in one .

2. Before Jesus Christ came to earth who was He and what was His name?.


Let's start from these two. Please don't misunderstand me. But answer these two questions first, then we can discuss. Thank you.

Son of God. Says John 3 vs 16

Now why is he called son of God ? Please I need a response

Primesky:


I agree with you on this one sir.

Although, I wish we wouldn't be arguing about anything here, but that matter is very important. I know you are looking at it from an angle, and I am looking at it from an angle obviously different from you.

Do you agree that you as a single person, you're a trinity made up of body, soul and spirit?.

hahahaha all this just to prove your trinity , You don't know how ignorant you sound with this analogy, your analogy is dead on arrival


So you are telling us Animals are Made in the image of God too? Soooo funny

Are you not aware they have spirit and are souls according to your Bible . ?

Peacefullove:


Primesky why , go study your holy book

Not according to your bible, there is one God, The Father . 1 Corinth 8 vs 6

Is the father composed of three personalities ?



Peacefulove is one single personality . not 3 persons in one .



Son of God. Says John 3 vs 16

Now why is he called son of God ? Please I need a response

Peacefullove, I have also told you, that there's only one God. I am not, and I have not said there are more than one God. Please don't misunderstand me.

1. Peacefullove, do you have a body, a soul and a spirit?

2. Was Jesus ever called the word of God in the bible?.

3. Who created the Universe and everything in it, according to the bible?.

Peacefullove:


hahahaha all this just to prove your trinity , You don't know how ignorant you sound with this analogy, your analogy is dead on arrival


So you are telling us Animals are Made in the image of God too? Soooo funny

Are you not aware they have spirit and are souls according to your Bible . ?

Hmm... Has it degenerated into mockery now?. Where in the bible did you see that animals have souls and spirit. Please, if you don't know it, don't assume!.

Yes, my analogy will sound ignorant to you because you don't know it, and you don't act like you want to know.

Meanwhile, you said the bible said animals have souls and spirits. Please, you who know the scriptures very well, point that verse or verses for me because I don't know. Thanks

Primesky:


Hmm... Has it degenerated into mockery now?. Where in the bible did you see that animals have souls and spirit. Please, if you don't know it, don't assume!.

Yes, my analogy will sound ignorant to you because you don't know it, and you don't act like you want to know.

Meanwhile, you said the bible said animals have souls and spirits. Please, you who know the scriptures very well, point that verse or verses for me because I don't know. Thanks

Psalm 104 vs 29

You hide Your face, they are dismayed; You take away their spirit, they expire And return to their dust.

There it is in HD , Animals have spirit.

Do they have soul ?

and the third part of the creatures having souls died in the sea; . Revelation 8 vs 9


So can you now see why your analogy lacks substance . Failed effort at proving Trinity

Primesky:


Peacefullove, I have also told you, that there's only one God. I am not, and I have not said there are more than one God. Please don't misunderstand me.

Your bible said the one God is the Father . Is the father composed of tree personalities ? This thing is very simple

1. Peacefullove, do you have a body, a soul and a spirit?

This doesn't make sense, Unless you want to admit even animals are made in the image of God. ( see my first post)

2. Was Jesus ever called the word of God in the bible?.

Word OF who ? Himself ?

3. Who created the Universe and everything in it, according to the bible?.

Yahweh is the creator , Jesus acknowledged - Matthew 19 vs 4-6.

Even Jesus was created as indicated in the word , " Son OF God " , likewise the Angel's are Also given that name. If you don't agree, be bold enough to tell us why Jesus and the Angela are all sons of God ?

Peacefullove:


Your bible said the one God is the Father . Is the father composed of tree personalities ? This thing is very simple



This doesn't make sense, Unless you want to admit even animals are made in the image of God. ( see my first post)




Word OF who ? Himself ?




Yahweh is the creator , Jesus acknowledged - Matthew 19 vs 4-6.

Even Jesus was created as indicated in the word , " Son OF God " , likewise the Angel's are Also given that name. If you don't agree, be bold enough to tell us why Jesus and the Angela are all sons of God ?

Hahaha... Why are you avoiding my question?, do you have spirit, soul and body?. Yes or no!.

Where in the bible is it stated that animals have souls and spirits, please show me.

Where in the bible did it tell you that Jesus was created?. I will gladly appreciate it if you can point that out. So being called son of God now means He was created?.

With all you've said, can you read the passages below and explain them. Thanks.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Here God was speaking and creation was happening. What was God speaking?.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Very well, God created all things, here we're told the Word was with God and the Word was God, then that all things were made by him!. Do we have two Gods here?, no!.

I want to ask you again. Are you a different person from your word?. Can your word exist without you?. Does your word know anything at all of its ownself?. Does your word go anywhere it likes if you don't direct it there?.

Please answer the above questions?.


Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

So, tell me what's happening here.
Because he was born as a human and was in the form of man, He did everything not to glorify himself in the flesh. Now see what He (Jesus) said about himself.

Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Who said the above?. Lets see again.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

The first and the last is the same one who died and rose again. Is that difficult to understand?.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.


Can we have two first and last, who is equally the only God?. Seek the Holy Spirit to guide you. This thing is open for you to see.

Peacefullove:


Psalm 104 vs 29

You hide Your face, they are dismayed; You take away their spirit, they expire And return to their dust.

There it is in HD , Animals have spirit.

Do they have soul ?

and the third part of the creatures having souls died in the sea; . Revelation 8 vs 9


So can you now see why your analogy lacks substance . Failed effort at proving Trinity

Oh wow, interesting!. So in a bid to discredit me, you removed breath and put spirit, hahaha... Oh sorry, maybe there's another version of bible you're using. But I've tried to see. This is what I found below.

Psalms 104:29- KJV. Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, [/b]they die, and return to their dust.

Psalm 104 Vs 29 (NIV) When you hide your face,
they are terrified;
[b]when you take away their breath,
they die and return to the dust.

Psalm 104 :29 7(NLT) But if you turn away from them, they panic. When you take away their breath, they die and turn again to dust.

Psalm 104:29 (Amp) You hide Your face, they are dismayed; You take away their breath, they die And return to their dust.

Are you going to now tell me spirit and breath are the same?. Another failed attempt at denying trinity

For your information, animals don't have both souls and spirits as men do because they were not created in the image of God. They have souls but not spirit. Only man has both body, soul and spirit. So stop trying so hard to hide the truth by quoting what I don't know.

But why ?

Primesky:


Hahaha... Why are you avoiding my question?, do you have spirit, soul and body?. Yes or no!.

Where in the bible is it stated that animals have souls and spirits, please show me.

Where in the bible did it tell you that Jesus was created?. I will gladly appreciate it if you can point that out. So being called son of God now means He was created?.

With all you've said, can you read the passages below and explain them. Thanks.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Here God was speaking and creation was happening. What was God speaking?.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Very well, God created all things, here we're told the Word was with God and the Word was God, then that all things were made by him!. Do we have two Gods here?, no!.

I want to ask you again. Are you a different person from your word?. Can your word exist without you?. Does your word know anything at all of its ownself?. Does your word go anywhere it likes if you don't direct it there?.

Please answer the above questions?.


Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

So, tell me what's happening here.
Because he was born as a human and was in the form of man, He did everything not to glorify himself in the flesh. Now see what He (Jesus) said about himself.

Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Who said the above?. Lets see again.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

The first and the last is the same one who died and rose again. Is that difficult to understand?.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.


Can we have two first and last, who is equally the only God?. Seek the Holy Spirit to guide you. This thing is open for you to see.

You would have done better, if you think am wrong he was called Son of God because he was created. By explaining why he was called son of God , just like the angels

Tell this thread why Jesus is called " Son of God ?

Primesky:


Oh wow, interesting!. So in a bid to discredit me, you removed breath and put spirit, hahaha... Oh sorry, maybe there's another version of bible you're using. But I've tried to see. This is what I found below.

Psalms 104:29- KJV. Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, [/b]they die, and return to their dust.

Psalm 104 Vs 29 (NIV) When you hide your face,
they are terrified;
[b]when you take away their breath,
they die and return to the dust.

Psalm 104 :29 7(NLT) But if you turn away from them, they panic. When you take away their breath, they die and turn again to dust.

Psalm 104:29 (Amp) You hide Your face, they are dismayed; You take away their breath, they die And return to their dust.

Are you going to now tell me spirit and breath are the same?. Another failed attempt at denying trinity

For your information, animals don't have both souls and spirits as men do because they were not created in the image of God. They have souls but not spirit. Only man has both body, soul and spirit. So stop trying so hard to hide the truth by quoting what I don't know.

that you saw breath doesn't mean Spirit is wrong ... Next time, u research matter's before u conclude. The original word is ruach. Check strong concordance of Bible word's


7307. ruach ►
Strong's Concordance
ruach: breath, wind, spirit
Original Word: ר֫וּחַ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: ruach
Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh)
Short Definition: spirit


Will you still deny ?

Peacefullove:


You would have done better, if you think am wrong he was called Son of God because he was created. By explaining why he was called son of God , just like the angels

Tell this thread why Jesus is called " Son of God ?

My dear Jesus was never created. He is the first born of all creation of God. Firstborn here is even different from what you know it to be. The original word used to describe Jesus Christ in the test is 'prototokos'. I suggest you read it up and see for yourself. He was the very beginning of all creation not one of them. Jesus is the visible image of God.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Do we now start probing the meaning of Son in Hebrew and Greek to know what they actually connote?. Can you tell me that the child of a man is created?. God brought Jesus forth in a different manner from the way other creatures, angels and men came about. It's never the same. That's why the term begotten only applies to Jesus Christ and no body else. Oh English language will not allow us. The word love for example, has four different other words in Greek. You must understand the particular one used to comprehend the meaning in English. But that aside, a begotten son can not also be a created son.

Primesky:


My dear Jesus was never created. He is the first born of all creation of God. Firstborn here is even different from what you know it to be. The original word used to describe Jesus Christ in the test is 'prototokos'. I suggest you read it up and see for yourself. He was the very beginning of all creation not one of them. Jesus is the visible image of God.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Do we now start probing the meaning of Son in Hebrew and Greek to know what they actually connote?. Can you tell me that the child of a man is created?.

Don't put ropes in your legs while trying to defend a scam.

The child is a Creation. Or you want to tell me every human being given birth to are not Creations?

God brought Jesus forth in a different manner from the way other creatures, angels and men came about. It's never the same.

tell us that different manner

That's why the term begotten only applies to Jesus Christ and no body else.

Isaac was a begotten son too , I guess he wasn't created ?

You just dig more complications for yourself

Oh English language will not allow us. The word love for example, has four different other words in Greek. You must understand the particular one used to comprehend the meaning in English. But that aside, a begotten son can not also be a created son.

Are you aware Isaac is also n begotten son.

Is Isaac a Creation ?



Was Isaac brought into existence in a manner different from other Sons of Abraham ?

The bold defeat your first assumption of different manner .

Peacefullove:


that you saw breath doesn't mean Spirit is wrong ... Next time, u research matter's before u conclude. The original word is ruach. Check strong concordance of Bible word's


7307. ruach ►
Strong's Concordance
ruach: breath, wind, spirit
Original Word: ר֫וּחַ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: ruach
Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh)
Short Definition: spirit


Will you still deny ?

Really?, that your application of spirit is wrong. Lord have mercy!. See don't work yourself trying to disprove trinity, OK?. Even the strong's dictionary you consulted, you didn't apply it correctly. The word is used in different context, but you didn't see that one. Now go back to your strong dictionary, where you copied the above definition of breath, go down to the 'd' section/part, you will see this.

d. it departs at death: Psalm 78:39 (Dr a wind that passeth away 2e); חַיֵּי רוּחִי Isaiah 38:16 (Di principle of life), Psalm 146:4; [b]especially Psalm 104:29; Psalm 104:30; [/b]Job 17:1; Job 34:14 (compare Job 34:15), Isaiah 57:16; Ecclesiastes 8:8 (twice in verse) (wind Wild); אֵינְךָ יוֺדֵעַ מַהדֶּֿרֶךְ הָרוּחַ Ecclesiastes 11:5, compare Ecclesiastes 3:21; over ag. הָרוּחַ תָּשׁוּב אֶלהָֿאֱלֹהִים אֲשֶׁר נְתָנָהּ Ecclesiastes 12:7; בְּיָָֽדְךָ אַפְקִיד רוּחִי Psalm 31:6.

Now take a look at the bolded above, the very scripture you quoted to support your claim about spirit and breath, notice that strong describes it as a wind that passeth away, and even went ahead to say especially that very scripture you quoted!. Hahaha.. Next time do a thorough job before you accuse somebody. How many times will I burst your bubble?.

You know what, I will leave you here, because you're just looking for a way to disprove the obvious reality, and not to learn. So the argument is really not edifying.

Primesky:


Really?, that your application of spirit is wrong. Lord have mercy!. See don't work yourself trying to disprove trinity, OK?. Even the strong's dictionary you consulted, you didn't apply it correctly. The word is used in different context, but you didn't see that one. Now go back to your strong dictionary, where you copied the above definition of breath, go down to the 'd' section/part, you will see this.

d. it departs at death: Psalm 78:39 (Dr a wind that passeth away 2e); חַיֵּי רוּחִי Isaiah 38:16 (Di principle of life), Psalm 146:4; [b]especially Psalm 104:29; Psalm 104:30; [/b]Job 17:1; Job 34:14 (compare Job 34:15), Isaiah 57:16; Ecclesiastes 8:8 (twice in verse) (wind Wild); אֵינְךָ יוֺדֵעַ מַהדֶּֿרֶךְ הָרוּחַ Ecclesiastes 11:5, compare Ecclesiastes 3:21; over ag. הָרוּחַ תָּשׁוּב אֶלהָֿאֱלֹהִים אֲשֶׁר נְתָנָהּ Ecclesiastes 12:7; בְּיָָֽדְךָ אַפְקִיד רוּחִי Psalm 31:6.

Now take a look at the bolded above, the very scripture you quoted to support your claim about spirit and breath, notice that strong describes it as a wind that passeth away, and even went ahead to say especially that very scripture you quoted!. Hahaha.. Next time do a thorough job before you accuse somebody. How many times will I burst your bubble?.

You know what, I will leave you here, because you're just looking for a way to disprove the obvious reality, and not to learn. So the argument is really not edifying.

Who ask you for the meaning of ruach ?

Learn to differentiate word from meaning.

Ruach is spirit . Yes proved !, you can't deny that

Spirit is like wind or breath that passes away , that is meaning.

Point is animals have spirit just like man, thanks to your post, Spirit in living things we can see is like wind NOT some fictional entity in human body . But BREATH or wind .

Sense


Since its now so clear that Animals have Ruach ( Spirit ) just like man , Do you now say they are made in the image of God ?

Now you should see why I called your first analogy dead on arrival.

Peacefullove:


Don't put ropes in your legs while trying to defend a scam.

The child is a Creation. Or you want to tell me every human being given birth to are not Creations?



tell us that different manner



Isaac was a begotten son too , I guess he wasn't created ?

You just dig more complications for yourself



Are you aware Isaac is also n begotten son.

Is Isaac a Creation ?



Was Isaac brought into existence in a manner different from other Sons of Abraham ?

The bold defeat your first assumption of different manner .

Oh Lord!. You keep shifting post and you claim wisdom right?. When we talk about God, you will jump and come down to man's level, just confusing yourself.

Every human being is a creation. But who were we talking about?. Was it human being or Jesus Christ?.

No man can say his son or child is created, he will say begotten because the child came out directly from him!

The same way it applies to Jesus Christ and God the Father. See how you're trying to twist this one as well.

I have bursted your bubble of spirit and breath, in which you misquoted strong's dictionary all in a bid to disprove the truth. Now you've come with another tactics of switching the persons involved from God to man.

It's very clear, you're not here to know, rather to prove a point. And you have failed in every attempt. Some of your assumptions have turned up to be lies, but you're still pressing on with it. This discussion is not edifying, rather it has become an argument of wit. Sorry, I won't indulge you anymore. Keep shifting post.

My position is summarised in the verse below.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Primesky:


Oh Lord!. You keep shifting post and you claim wisdom right?. When we talk about God, you will jump and come down to man's level, just confusing yourself.

Every human being is a creation. But who were we talking about?. Was it human being or Jesus Christ?.

No man can say his son or child is created, he will say begotten because the child came out directly from him!

The same way it applies to Jesus Christ and God the Father. See how you're trying to twist this one as well.

I have bursted your bubble of spirit and breath, in which you misquoted strong's dictionary all in a bid to disprove the truth. Now you've come with another tactics of switching the persons involved from God to man.

It's very clear, you're not here to know, rather to prove a point. And you have failed in every attempt. Some of your assumptions have turned up to be lies, but you're still pressing on with it. This discussion is not edifying, rather it has become an argument of wit. Sorry, I won't indulge you anymore. Keep shifting post.

My position is summarised in the verse below.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Which bubble do you burst ? Let me allow you console yourself with that anyway

Ruach is Spirit . ( I even gave you proof)


Back to Issue of Begotten.

Isaac was begotten by sexual intercourse, how was Jesus begotten. . ... ?

Be bold to answers this Bro

tomakint:
God is Supreme and He Alone Is One but how come some Christians call Jesus God When the Bible never said so. Below is my take with references from the Holy Scriptures;

I Saw In The Night Visions, And, Behold, One Like The Son Of Man (Jesus Christ) Came With The Clouds Of Heaven, And Came To The Ancient Of Days (God Almighty Father, Yahweh), And They Brought Him Near Before Him. (Daniel 7: 13)
The Revelation Of Jesus Christ, Which God (Yahweh, Jehovah) Gave Unto Him, To Shew Unto His Servants Things Which Must Shortly Come To Pass; And He Sent And Signified It By His Angel Unto His Servant John: (Revelation 1:1)

Jesus Said Unto Them, If God Were Your Father, Ye Would Love Me: For I proceeded Forth And Came From God (Yahweh); Neither Came I Of Myself, But He Sent Me. (John 8: 42) How Come Trinitarians Are Preaching Three Gods With Equal Powers And Strength When The Bible Never Said So. What Do You Believe? Bible Never Calls Jesus As God Almighty But Calls Him Only Begotten Son Of God Who Is Subservient To God Almighty And Was Sent By God To Redeem All Mankind To God Almighty By The Shedding Of His Precious Blood As Instructed By The Ancient Of Days.

@the bold portion - Which version of the bible are you reading? see below:

John 10:30 King James Version (KJV)
30 I and my Father are one.

benjibabs:


@the bold portion - Which version of the bible are you reading? see below:

John 10:30 King James Version (KJV)
30 I and my Father are one.

Benjibabs ,in the same manner that Jesus & his disciples are one (john17:11,,21) just as husband & wife are one (matt19:4-6). Can two walk together (in unity) unless they agree? Amos 3:3.

Primesky:


Oh wow, interesting!. So in a bid to discredit me, you removed breath and put spirit, hahaha... Oh sorry, maybe there's another version of bible you're using. But I've tried to see. This is what I found below.

Psalms 104:29- KJV. Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, [/b]they die, and return to their dust.

Psalm 104 Vs 29 (NIV) When you hide your face,
they are terrified;
[b]when you take away their breath,
they die and return to the dust.

Psalm 104 :29 7(NLT) But if you turn away from them, they panic. When you take away their breath, they die and turn again to dust.

Psalm 104:29 (Amp) You hide Your face, they are dismayed; You take away their breath, they die And return to their dust.

Are you going to now tell me spirit and breath are the same?. Another failed attempt at denying trinity

For your information, animals don't have both souls and spirits as men do because they were not created in the image of God. They have souls but not spirit. Only man has both body, soul and spirit. So stop trying so hard to hide the truth by quoting what I don't know.

U said "animals don't have souls & spirit" .Na big lie ooo. The spirit refers to d breathe of life. Spirit is life-giving. (Eccl3 :19,20. James 2:26).. U guys confuse yourselves about understanding of the phrase. "image of God". It simply means that only Adam possessed God-given powers of superior intelligence (which other animals don't have.) for man to have dominion over other animals. ( Gen1:26-28). Seth was in the likeness of Adam ,his father. (Gen5:3).
(Adam was in the image of God just as Jesus was in the image of the invisible God. Therefore, Jesus is the first born of creation. Colossians1:15. He was created. Yes !!!)
Man is never a spirit because "flesh & blood can not inherit the kingdom of God in heaven. Flesh(man) gives birth to flesh(man). Spirit gives birth to spirit "(john3 :5,6. 1Cor15: 40. Man is a fleshly entity. Angels are spirit entities. Pls don't get it twisted.

Primesky:


Oh wow, interesting!. So in a bid to discredit me, you removed breath and put spirit, hahaha... Oh sorry, maybe there's another version of bible you're using. But I've tried to see. This is what I found below.

Psalms 104:29- KJV. Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, [/b]they die, and return to their dust.

Psalm 104 Vs 29 (NIV) When you hide your face,
they are terrified;
[b]when you take away their breath,
they die and return to the dust.

Psalm 104 :29 7(NLT) But if you turn away from them, they panic. When you take away their breath, they die and turn again to dust.

Psalm 104:29 (Amp) You hide Your face, they are dismayed; You take away their breath, they die And return to their dust.

Are you going to now tell me spirit and breath are the same?. Another failed attempt at denying trinity

For your information, animals don't have both souls and spirits as men do because they were not created in the image of God. They have souls but not spirit. Only man has both body, soul and spirit. So stop trying so hard to hide the truth by quoting what I don't know.

Well it's a pity that you only want to stick to the popular ideology in your locality but my friend if you must know animals have both BODY(the physical formation for identity which deteroriates at death and return to dust) SOUL(that innate tendency to store information) and SPIRIT(the breath of life God blew into the nostril of all creatures to sustain the life force in them) at death the only thing that comes out is the spirit(breath) because it's the ACTIVE FORCE keeping creatures alive,so both body and soul DIES! It's like you agreed with the first two so you can read to confirm that animals have spirit in Ecclesiastes 3:18-20 For easier understanding think about your tv set,radio,fan,refridgerator,air conditioner and other electronic devices all have different functions but when there is no electricity to power it they're all useless,the same could be said of the spirit were referring to on this matter it totally differ from ANGELS who are separate unseen intelligent creatures! Translators also believe what you believe but remember Jesus' comment to help honesthearted people for faith "few are the ones finding the wisdom from God which will help them to gain salvation" Matthew 7:13,14 compared Amos 8:11,12 so don't rely on popular tradition because FEW is what Jesus said,and if you're intelligent you should know that what you're hearing now is NOT POPULAR like all religious believe even Muslims who publicly refute Jesus' sonship!God bless you.