anietieh:

Its a pity that the first poster's thread has been hijacked. Yet i find it illuminating that it has been hijacked by people like harakiri, nuclear boy, tudor etc.

I am not very educated but i do have a lot of biblical knowledge. For the first poster, i will simply say, in answer to the question in his thread subject:

1. the holy spirit does not display power in that way so your question "is it a good way to show Gods power" does not even arise because that is not Gods power being displayed.

Then i wish harakiri could respond to many of the answers proffered to his questions. It seems that he has gotten tired of the thread. I would also like to know if any of the answers given have satisfied him so that i know which ones to answer or if i should answer all.

@ nuclear boy, you really do know what you are talking about and im glad people like you still exist.

For me the key thing is to have an open mind. My father used to say that the problem most people have is that a man convinced of his opinion is always of the same.

If someone is willing to reason, and not let any thing, previous bias or idea prevent the absorption of a new idea or thought, then the person is more likely to gain.

I wish though that harakiri had taken nuclearboy's advice and posted his question as a new thread, and that way, it would have been easier to focus on the discussion centered on his questions and less fanatics would come in saying things like "God is a mystery", etc. or "man of god" when those ideas are utterly false. I believe that harakiri is seeking for answers. And i know how frustrating it is when one seeks for answers and yet cannot find them. The only ones given are unsatisfactorily. I believe i have reasonable answers to his questions and i hope he gives me a chance to give him my answers.

To tudor, i can only say, that when searching for answers, sincerity is the only thing that determines whether or not one will succeed in getting the true answers. If one is sincere, when he finds the answer, even though it conflicts with all he/she has previously believed, and strongly so, his/her sincerity will make him see that his previous stance was wrong and it takes a great man to do that.  

nuclearboy:

@harakiri:

I actually had convinced myself you wanted answers rather than a showing of "I'm a dude and can insult anyone. Big ups to me, yeah!".

But after this time, you come up with "you want to see an angel", "proof that Jehovah is the real God via Him appearing to you etc" and the desire to see a real live "miracle". Look in the mirror, dude - you are the miracle here to demand God "appear" to you. To salve your bruised ego, perharps? To bow before you and hail the mighty "harakiri", defender of them that believe not? or to beg you to believe in Him (seeing as that will make Him truly God, abi?) and stop chasing His potential worshippers away, ehn? 

Enjoy your days, dude but one last word - Fear is measured usually by aggression. The more the aggression, the greater the fear. Its called a defence mechanism. Whist you wish its our fear of hell that makes us believe, your refusal to consider alternative thinking and the ferociousness of your attacks (God should show) show a much greater fear - that of requiring excuse to stay where you are no matter how inadequate. Your desire for and joy in support as expressed above tells the story of one seeking approval. As they say, it takes a man to cry in public.

bondxie:

@ Tudor and Harakiri

Am sure if any scientist comes with a theory now to proof that God reside in Moon, U will surely believe. Cos everything to u is being measure by what science say, nosense.

whiteroses:

i attend christ embassy manchester, they told us his anointimng reaches us even from nigeria and its true, any sunday i attend church i usually feel blessed, lucky and generally happy throughout that week and when i dont i feel low. maybe its all in my head i dont know

bros1234:

Scientific proof of God's existence,

I didnt want to get too far with this argument but these Harakiri, Tudor and co is pushing me to get back to my archives instead of my marketing job. My first input on proving the existence of God scientifically is for you guys to consider these arguments

First - The sincere seeker on whether God exists must assume a position of neutrality.  we first have to deal with our philosophical predispositions. If, for example, I am already dedicated to the philosophical idea that nothing can exist outside of the natural realm  no amount of evidence could convince me otherwise.

If we accept the first point then i would go ahead to raise two arguments

1.  the non-existence of God cannot be proven. One cannot prove a universal negative. Alternatively, the existence of God is provable.

2. The concept, design, and intricate details of our world necessitate an intelligent designer. Read about the concept of Intelligent design here- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design

3. Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, there is still enormous debate as to the possiblity of life  evolving naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?

4.The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?
In philosophy we do agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard.[b] So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?

Guys lets cut these crap and accept the obvious.

And and and and and dont push me man. Many of us Christians have seen all these your arguments, compared and contrasted and accepted the truth. I dont want to get back to school and pick my philosophy books pls

There is God

nuclearboy:

Also, do you believe Jesus was wrong when He said those who follow Hin must NOT be called teacher, master, Rabbi or father in any form and that we are equal?

yelanst:

MR HARAKIRI,U WANTED  EVIDENCE THAT ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT GOD EXIST AND THAT THE BIBLE IS REAL. THINK ABOUT THIS ANCIENT BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN REVIEWED FOR MANY CENTURIES, BUT, STILL REMAINS CURRENT NOW AND, UNDOUBTLY, MANY YEARS TO COME. MOST OF THE PHYSICS AND CHEM TEST BOOKS U READ ARE BEING REVIEWED ANNUALLY TO MAKE THEM CURRENT.
(1) THINK ABOUT GODS PROMISE TO ISREAL OF MAKING THEM GREAT AND UNDEFEATABLE IN ANY WAR THE FIGHT. IS THAT HAPENNING TODAY OR NOT?
(2)SERVERAL THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, JESUS SAID THAT AT THE END TIMES, NATIONS SHALL RISE AGAINST NATIONS AND KINGDOMS AGAINST KINGDOM, FAMINES, TRIBULATIONS, EARTHQUAKES, ETC. I BELEIVE U DO  KEEP ABREAST WITH THE PRESENT DAY PHENOMENA.
(3)  READ ECCLESIASTES 9:11,  "THE RACE IS NOT FOR THE SWIFT, ". DID YOU EVER BELIEVE THAT FRANCE AND ITALY, THE TWO SEMI-FINALIST PLAYERS IN THE LAST EDITION OF THE WORLD CUP, WILL NOT MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND  IN TIS EDITION OF THE WORLD CUP.
(4) "THE SWORD SHALL NOT DEPART FROM YOUR HOUSE". TILL DATE HAS THE SWORD DEPARTED FROM THE HOUSE OF DAVID AS A RESULT OF THE KILLING OF URIAH.(DONT ASK ME FOR DETAILS, DO SOME RESEARCH.)
(5)"I WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS YOU AND CURSE THOSE WHO CURSE YOU". GERMANY LOST THE 2ND WORLD WAR SIMPLY B/C THE PROSECUTED AND KILLED OVER SIX MILLION JEWS. AMERICA IS BLESSED TODAY SIMPLY B/C THE ALWAYS FIGHT FOR THE JEWISH COURSE. BESIDES, TODAY YOU WILL SEE WITH ME THAT THE JEWS ARE PROSPEROUS IN WHATEVER THE DO. MOST AMERICAN SCIENTISTS ARE JEWS. THESE DUDES ARE BLESSED B/C GOD BLESSED THEM THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO AND IT IS STILL MANIFESTING IN THEM TILL DATE.
MY FRIEND, THINK ABOUT ALL THIS. FOR THE FACT THAT THIS SO CALLED HEBREW MYTH( ACCORDING TO SOME POSTERS) CALLED THE BIBLE SILL FINDS RELEVANCE AFTER THOUSANDS OF YEARS ATTEST TO THE FACT THE AUTHOR MUST BE A SUPERNATURAL BEING. THANK YOU.

yelanst:

MR HARAKIRI,U WANTED  EVIDENCE THAT ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT GOD EXIST AND THAT THE BIBLE IS REAL. THINK ABOUT THIS ANCIENT BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN REVIEWED FOR MANY CENTURIES, BUT, STILL REMAINS CURRENT NOW AND, UNDOUBTLY, MANY YEARS TO COME. MOST OF THE PHYSICS AND CHEM TEST BOOKS U READ ARE BEING REVIEWED ANNUALLY TO MAKE THEM CURRENT.
(1) THINK ABOUT GODS PROMISE TO ISREAL OF MAKING THEM GREAT AND UNDEFEATABLE IN ANY WAR THE FIGHT. IS THAT HAPENNING TODAY OR NOT?
(2)SERVERAL THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, JESUS SAID THAT AT THE END TIMES, NATIONS SHALL RISE AGAINST NATIONS AND KINGDOMS AGAINST KINGDOM, FAMINES, TRIBULATIONS, EARTHQUAKES, ETC. I BELEIVE U DO  KEEP ABREAST WITH THE PRESENT DAY PHENOMENA.
(3)  READ ECCLESIASTES 9:11,  "THE RACE IS NOT FOR THE SWIFT, ". DID YOU EVER BELIEVE THAT FRANCE AND ITALY, THE TWO SEMI-FINALIST PLAYERS IN THE LAST EDITION OF THE WORLD CUP, WILL NOT MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND  IN TIS EDITION OF THE WORLD CUP.
(4) "THE SWORD SHALL NOT DEPART FROM YOUR HOUSE". TILL DATE HAS THE SWORD DEPARTED FROM THE HOUSE OF DAVID AS A RESULT OF THE KILLING OF URIAH.(DONT ASK ME FOR DETAILS, DO SOME RESEARCH.)
(5)"I WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS YOU AND CURSE THOSE WHO CURSE YOU". GERMANY LOST THE 2ND WORLD WAR SIMPLY B/C THE PROSECUTED AND KILLED OVER SIX MILLION JEWS. AMERICA IS BLESSED TODAY SIMPLY B/C THE ALWAYS FIGHT FOR THE JEWISH COURSE. BESIDES, TODAY YOU WILL SEE WITH ME THAT THE JEWS ARE PROSPEROUS IN WHATEVER THE DO. MOST AMERICAN SCIENTISTS ARE JEWS. THESE DUDES ARE BLESSED B/C GOD BLESSED THEM THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO AND IT IS STILL MANIFESTING IN THEM TILL DATE.
MY FRIEND, THINK ABOUT ALL THIS. FOR THE FACT THAT THIS SO CALLED HEBREW MYTH( ACCORDING TO SOME POSTERS) CALLED THE BIBLE SILL FINDS RELEVANCE AFTER THOUSANDS OF YEARS ATTEST TO THE FACT THE AUTHOR MUST BE A SUPERNATURAL BEING. THANK YOU.

nuclearboy:

No offence meant, whiteroses,  but which would you prefer - anointing from God or from Chris Oyaks? Also, do you believe Jesus was wrong when He said those who follow Hin must NOT be called teacher, master, Rabbi or father in any form and that we are equal?

Its in your head and its unhealthy putting a man where you should put God.

Blessings, Sister 

miskuritas:

Just my two cents, I personally think these people delibrately throw themselves on the floor, nobody in their right mind can say those that fell down were falling under the annointing, they fell down delibrately.

nuclearboy:

@harakiri:

I actually had convinced myself you wanted answers rather than a showing of "I'm a dude and can insult anyone. Big ups to me, yeah!".

But after this time, you come up with "you want to see an angel", "proof that Jehovah is the real God via Him appearing to you etc" and the desire to see a real live "miracle". Look in the mirror, dude - you are the miracle here to demand God "appear" to you. To salve your bruised ego, perharps? To bow before you and hail the mighty "harakiri", defender of them that believe not? or to beg you to believe in Him (seeing as that will make Him truly God, abi?) and stop chasing His potential worshippers away, ehn? 

Enjoy your days, dude but one last word - Fear is measured usually by aggression. The more the aggression, the greater the fear. Its called a defence mechanism. Whist you wish its our fear of hell that makes us believe, your refusal to consider alternative thinking and the ferociousness of your attacks (God should show) show a much greater fear - that of requiring excuse to stay where you are no matter how inadequate. Your desire for and joy in support as expressed above tells the story of one seeking approval. As they say, it takes a man to cry in public.

yelanst:

MR HARAKIRI,U WANTED  EVIDENCE THAT ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT GOD EXIST AND THAT THE BIBLE IS REAL. THINK ABOUT THIS ANCIENT BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN REVIEWED FOR MANY CENTURIES, BUT, STILL REMAINS CURRENT NOW AND, UNDOUBTLY, MANY YEARS TO COME. MOST OF THE PHYSICS AND CHEM TEST BOOKS U READ ARE BEING REVIEWED ANNUALLY TO MAKE THEM CURRENT.
(1) THINK ABOUT GODS PROMISE TO ISREAL OF MAKING THEM GREAT AND UNDEFEATABLE IN ANY WAR THE FIGHT. IS THAT HAPENNING TODAY OR NOT?
(2)SERVERAL THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, JESUS SAID THAT AT THE END TIMES, NATIONS SHALL RISE AGAINST NATIONS AND KINGDOMS AGAINST KINGDOM, FAMINES, TRIBULATIONS, EARTHQUAKES, ETC. I BELEIVE U DO  KEEP ABREAST WITH THE PRESENT DAY PHENOMENA.
(3)  READ ECCLESIASTES 9:11,  "THE RACE IS NOT FOR THE SWIFT, ". DID YOU EVER BELIEVE THAT FRANCE AND ITALY, THE TWO SEMI-FINALIST PLAYERS IN THE LAST EDITION OF THE WORLD CUP, WILL NOT MAKE IT TO THE SECOND ROUND  IN TIS EDITION OF THE WORLD CUP.
(4) "THE SWORD SHALL NOT DEPART FROM YOUR HOUSE". TILL DATE HAS THE SWORD DEPARTED FROM THE HOUSE OF DAVID AS A RESULT OF THE KILLING OF URIAH.(DONT ASK ME FOR DETAILS, DO SOME RESEARCH.)
(5)"I WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS YOU AND CURSE THOSE WHO CURSE YOU". GERMANY LOST THE 2ND WORLD WAR SIMPLY B/C THE PROSECUTED AND KILLED OVER SIX MILLION JEWS. AMERICA IS BLESSED TODAY SIMPLY B/C THE ALWAYS FIGHT FOR THE JEWISH COURSE. BESIDES, TODAY YOU WILL SEE WITH ME THAT THE JEWS ARE PROSPEROUS IN WHATEVER THE DO. MOST AMERICAN SCIENTISTS ARE JEWS. THESE DUDES ARE BLESSED B/C GOD BLESSED THEM THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO AND IT IS STILL MANIFESTING IN THEM TILL DATE.
MY FRIEND, THINK ABOUT ALL THIS. FOR THE FACT THAT THIS SO CALLED HEBREW MYTH( ACCORDING TO SOME POSTERS) CALLED THE BIBLE SILL FINDS RELEVANCE AFTER THOUSANDS OF YEARS ATTEST TO THE FACT THE AUTHOR MUST BE A SUPERNATURAL BEING. THANK YOU.

bros1234:

Let me say this here. From what harakiri wrote last its obvious he wants us to prove that the one to be recognised as the creator is the YAHWEH or God preached by the Jewish guys.I would like to ask if he in any way belive first there there is a supreme being behing the creation of the world. Only then would we be able to now narrow it
down as to where he is revealed from.I would supply further arguments when I know exacyly what he is asking

Or i might as well help him in drawing conclusions before posting by considering the theory of intelligent design.Otherwise  harakiri and tudor  shld  explain how tiny molecules in an organism could be a result of chance.

Consider the illustration of the concept of design with the example of Mount Rushmore, A research carried out several years ago, upon which are carved the clearly recognizable images of Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt . By contrast, a naturally occurring rock in Hawaii casts a shadow that resembles President John F. Kennedy , illustrating an accidental occurrence in nature. It is self-evident that a sculptor (in this case, Gutzon Borglum) carved Mount Rushmore. The sheer number of details in which the Mount Rushmore faces resemble the faces of the four presidents testifies to the presence of an intelligent cause, a human sculptor. No one could seriously attribute these magnificent faces to the creative forces of wind, rain, sleet, and hail.


Image 1 - An intelligent design: Mount Rushmore with presidents Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt, and Lincoln.

Image 2 - An accident of nature: President John F. Kennedy's profile formed by shadow cast by a large rock in Hawaii.

Tudór:


By your argument an unknowing person who looks at the acccidental rock in hawai would be right to conclude it was by a sculptor, because it resembles a human face and looks designed too, right?

bros1234:

My argument is that while intelligent design makes sense, chance does not. As u saw in the two images, the sculpted images represent smethin. [/b]But the accidental accumulation does not. It would be unfair to look at the world and man with such organised artification and credit it to chance or accident. The point is that someone, some person is behind the creation, a supreme being. What is he, who is he?