sonmvayina:
It is not an actual story or a literal one.. It is to reach us the fact that God does not accept human sacrifice only animal..... That why he provided the ram...

LordReed:
Yeah but you still get attempts to wash the story. Even on here you see MuttleyLaff challenging the narrative that Jephthah actually roasted his daughter.

Dantedasz:
NOT CHALLENGING, rather STANDING LOGIC ON IT'S HEAD.

MuttleyLaff:
Jephthah never barbecued his daughter. Did not, in the first place nurse any plan to barbecue a human being even.

Logically there is no way Jephthah would have considered nursing barbecuing a human being. It defies any logic an Israelite would stand for. Besides that, it is crystal clear in Judges 11:31b what Jephthah planned to barbecue. Only the blind, deceiver and ignorant would not acknowledge or know this

MuttleyLaff:
Classic! I love this.

MuttleyLaff:

Coolio

MuttleyLaff:
He was in the first part of the vow thinking of whatever comes to meet him, human being or otherwise, and then clarified his intention in the second part of the vow what he will do, if what comes out happens to be an animal

MuttleyLaff:

It is the issue. The pronoun is a game changer. The pronoun is truth standing and on steroids.

MuttleyLaff:
Would you kindly please tell all and remind others, what is the pronoun used in Judges 11:31b Madam JujuSugar?

MuttleyLaff:
That's because you are in denial

LordReed:


Yeah but you still get attempts to wash the story. Even on here you see MuttleyLaff challenging the narrative that Jephthah actually roasted his daughter.

Dantedasz:
Keep on doing this. You are doing a good job of the tail wagging the dog.

JujuSugar:

Are you trying to say God did not know that Jephthah's daughter was the first person Jephthah would see?

CodeTemplar:
God may know but Jephthah knew it was a possibility before vowing.
It isn't about God here but Jephthah.

A man who pretends to be a cab driver or tricycle operator to kidnap his victims shouldn't turn around and blame God if caught because God knew he was going to be caught.

He knew he could be caught.

JujuSugar:

I swear. These christians have an annoying habit of being dodgy as fvck.

JujuSugar:
Ok

JujuSugar:
Lame

JujuSugar:
Whatever

JujuSugar:

Seriously. It doesn't matter

JujuSugar:
The pronoun used is "it". Your point?

JujuSugar:
No. Its because you're desperately trying to distort the verses as much as you possibly can to deny the obvious moral of the story: God is fundamentally evil and a narcisstic sociopath who accepts the sacrifice of children without second thoughts. He has no excuse here because he knew exactly who would come out and meet Jephthah on his way back. Feel free to keep chasing your shadow on this issue.

JujuSugar:

Don't you see the problem here? How can a loving God know that someone would commit a crime, but let him go ahead even when the said crime will endanger both him and his victims?

MuttleyLaff:
I thoroughly enjoy nonstamp' video again, very satirically entertaining again.

Do you know what your problem is. You are so blinkered by the trees, so can't because of them see the woods, that is why you are so fixated on the impression that Jephthah barbecued his daughter and other Abraham Isaac God misgivings you have

JujuSugar:
Don't you see the problem here? How can a loving God know that someone would commit a crime, but let him go ahead even when the said crime will endanger both him and his victims?

JujuSugar:

Don't you see the problem here? How can a loving God know that someone would commit a crime, but let him go ahead even when the said crime will endanger both him and his victims?

MuttleyLaff:
It's hilarious you saying God is responsible for your sins

MuttleyLaff:

Cripple

MuttleyLaff:

People don't want to believe the truth because it will shatter their illusions

MuttleyLaff:

It does as a crucial specimen of evidence matter

MuttleyLaff:

Don't hit a man, talkess talk less a madam, when down. The pronoun you've just confirmed is self evidence.

MuttleyLaff:

I am sure you took English classes in primary and secondary school

MuttleyLaff:

Where did you get the warped idea God accepts sacrifice of children? Jephthah clearly stated in Judges 11:31a that if its human or animal that comes out to meet, such will be dedicated to God's purpose, then went on in Judges 11:31b to qualify his earlier pronounced vow, that, if it happens to be an animal, then it animal will be given up as a burnt offering to God

CodeTemplar:
If you are asking God to take away our will do act creatively and destructively entirely, then you are asking God to turn the human race into a computer simulation.
In Eden, Adam ate the tree of knowledge of good and bad. That tells us there was a preceding factor in the case of Jephthah. Stop blaming God for all your woes and start looking more at yourself.

MuttleyLaff:
This your scenario is so amateurish and full of naivety because of not understanding and knowing that God's integrity and His love is unquestionable. His character has no stain, blot or blemish. No one can scandalise God.

MuttleyLaff:

If I were to test you both youse budaatum and frank317, the test will have to involve something you cherish, something you hold dearly, it will have to be with something they'll will have to kill you first and the prise your clinging on to fingers, off before they'll take the thing off you. You know thats how the cookie crumbles now.

MuttleyLaff:

You are letting your emotions get the better of you

JujuSugar:

The idea of an omniscient, omniscient being contradicts the idea of free will. If God knows perfectly all future events, then all future events have already happened, therefore existence would ultimately be pointless and unimaginably drab. God is the author of the book and we're just characters in it. Every choice you make has already been written. He knows the end from th beginning Denying this would be denying God's omni qualities.

MuttleyLaff:
Keep on jumping from pillar to post with invalid comparisons

CodeTemplar:

If God doesn't give men the chance to act out their hearts, man will claim they are not capable of doing such since it never happened. It is like a poor man hoping to hammer or hit big so he can date one of the 'big' girls in town. if he gets the money he plans to date the girl and will, God already knows but is hesitant in blessing that man financially. The man goes to God and accuses God of starving him before men and finally God tests him by giving him his wish of money and boom! ... He goes to sin by dating that girl.
Finally he has followed his heart and somebody somewhere hurt by the act, may a wife to the man, starts saying God is wicked or bad for allowing his husband to cheat. Is God really wicked? Never. His anger is there, agreed but God isn't a bully.

The man had his will power all along. Remember Adam named all the animals in the garden and whatever name he gave them God agreed to it.

Man has a free will and God won't stifle it just to force us into heaven, instead he has prepared his word to feed our spirit and help strengthen our mind, soul, and spirit.

MuttleyLaff:
They are not murders, that was God carry out and/or executing judgement. Now God specifically personally and directly authorised those people to carry out His command.

CreepyBlackpool:


Shifting, swinging, clutching straws, its like they just taught you those words in this week's reading comprehension passage.

JujuSugar:
And its baffling how ignorant you are of the relationship between predestination and free will

JujuSugar:
I know right? Its crazy

JujuSugar:
Advertise it all you want. It's irrelevant

JujuSugar:
It's not. If it is then why didn't God caution Jephthah from sacrificing his daughter if the pronoun is as vital as you're making it to be?

JujuSugar:
I did. I'm equally sure you have the ability to read?

JujuSugar:

Twisting the scriptures to suit your argument - Christian logic #101
Sir Muttley, @bolded please specify exactly where in the bible Jephthah indicated this exemption...

JujuSugar:
The idea of an omniscient, omniscient being contradicts the idea of free will. If God knows perfectly all future events, then all future events have already happened, therefore existence would ultimately be pointless and unimaginably drab. God is the author of the book and we're just characters in it. Every choice you make has already been written. He knows the end from the beginning Denying this would be denying God's omni qualities.

JujuSugar:
What's so hard for you to understand about the concepts of free will and predetermination,Mr. MuttleyLaff? You still haven't justified God's role in the Jephthah issue, so till then, kindly buzz off.

JujuSugar:

You're limiting God's omnipotence and omniscience here. These two can't coexist with free will. I'm open to correction if you think they aren't mutually exclusive concepts

budaatum:

Isn't that also what boko haram and alqaeda say when they blow people up?

budaatum:

How is it an invalid comparison? Even today, the Jews justify their stealing of the land the Palestinians were on with what their god supposedly told them, so why would you not accept when Jihadists blow you up because their god told them to?

budaatum:

Funny thing is, he's guilty of them all!

MuttleyLaff:
When you are done having a hard on, will you then please give me the names of those people that committed those acts in the Christian Crusades that God authorised.

budaatum:

Seriously, Muttley? Do you seriously not know the Crusaders were "God's Warriors", and they were fighting "God's War" ? Or are you claiming God didn't send them?

MuttleyLaff:
It is not a bad deed, if God Himself auhorises you to do it.

MuttleyLaff:
Where in the Bible did God send them budaatum. We see God telling Abraham to go kill, we see God in the Bible telling the Israelites to kill the Canaanites etcetera. When and where in the Bible are the Crusaders mentioned and given authorisation by God to go on warrior paths budaatum?

budaatum:

We don't see God telling Abraham anything, muttley, we simply read it and some of you think some god truly spoke to some Abraham, and unfortunately jump from that to god talking to them too!

MuttleyLaff:

[s]You are, what you are. Trust me, if I were God and knowing what and all I know about you, your bitchiness and all, I'll probably would not let you see the light of existence, but then God is more forgiving than I am, God is in more control of affair of things more than I am, so your tiny lucky arse sees the light of day on early and you are still here taking in oxygen[/s]

MuttleyLaff:

Glad we sing from the same hymnn hymn book there

MuttleyLaff:

It is the show-stopper, the spanner thrown in the wheel of fantasy that Jephthah barbecued his daughter

MuttleyLaff:
How many times do you want me to refute this. Watch my mouth and read my lips, it did not happen. Jephthah, even never nursed an idea to barbecue a human being. That is fake news

MuttleyLaff:
Good, then go back to read what I dropped about pronouns in one of my earliest posts on this thread

MuttleyLaff:
I numerous times already have, but because you do selective reading, you only read what you want to see and believe

MuttleyLaff:
So just because the author knows everything about the character, the book should not be written or acted in a play, huh?

MuttleyLaff:
Don't you dare use that tone with me madam. Keep it in check

CodeTemplar:
Stop being redundant bros. Gods omnipotence and omniscient nature doesn't contradict free will.

MuttleyLaff:
Swap see with read then and stop acting like you don't know or understand what I mean by that comment

JujuSugar:
I've demonstrated my claim. You demonstrate yours.