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Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by loswhite(m): 12:54pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Wrong interpretation. It doesn't say do away with. It only says change, which means portions of it. Otherwise while would Paul uphold the law against eating blood if it has been done away with? What about Paul upholding homosexuality etc

Since the law has been done away with according to you, then go and have hot steamy sex with your mother tonight which the law warns against.
all your post is about sex with your mother...smh. you are just a waste pipe

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Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Horlufemi(m): 1:09pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


This thread is too hot for them to handle, so they resort to anger.

grin


It's useless trying to talk sense into you.

Those who believe without reason are impossible to convince with reason.

Cheers. Prosperity Gospel and Mammon Peddler

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Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 1:12pm On Mar 10, 2019
loswhite:
all your post is about sex with your mother...smh. you are just a waste pipe

You find it disgusting right?

Your friends want us to throw away the law that prohibits doing that.

Now, who's disgusting?
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 1:13pm On Mar 10, 2019
Horlufemi:

It's useless trying to talk sense into you.
Those who believe without reason are impossible to convince with reason.
Cheers. Prosperity Gospel and Mammon Peddler
The problem you have with the option is tithing which it mentioned.
Take away tithing and examined the rest. You still won't succeed in rubbish it.
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Darevofpeace(m): 1:32pm On Mar 10, 2019
snowxandria:


I have warned you to stop preaching and opening foolish threads upandan angry the era of false evil pastors like you is coming to an end soon undecided you have been warned
by his comments, we shall identify him,shouting "use ur head and you have been warned upandan"
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by arrestdarrester: 2:04pm On Mar 10, 2019
The Op here is confused. No one can operate 2 covenants. You may believe both old and new covenants but you cannot operate both.

All this confusion about whether Christians are to obey the law stems from legalistic mindsets that have failed to realize that Christ is our law giver and the Spirit of God he gives us is our law.

The Lord Jesus was not observing the law and yet He did not break a single law.

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Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by loswhite(m): 2:11pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


You find it disgusting right?

Your friends want us to throw away the law that prohibits doing that.

Now, who's disgusting?
We are not under any law bros carry your law to isreal
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 2:16pm On Mar 10, 2019
loswhite:
We are not under any law bros carry your law to isreal

Then go and have sex with your mama tonight.
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 2:18pm On Mar 10, 2019
arrestdarrester:
The Op here is confused. No one can operate 2 covenants. You may believe both old and new covenants but you cannot operate both.

All this confusion about whether Christians are to obey the law stems from legalistic mindsets that have failed to realize that Christ is our law giver and the Spirit of God he gives us is our law.

The Lord Jesus was not observing the law and yet He did not break a single law.

Was Jesus Christ not the same person that gave the laws in the old testament? Is the job of the Holy Spirit not to remind us of those laws?
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by babeosisi: 2:19pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:
There's currently a movement out there which wants Christians to throwaway the old testament part of the Bible and just stick with the new testament alone. Those behind this movement are mostly those against tithing. They say we are not to obey old testament laws because Christ has freed us from the law. They say those who obey the old testament laws are under a curse. Below are their favourite verses

Galatians 3:10 KJV
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

They quote the above verses when you tell them that tithe is very much relevant today as it was in the days of the children of Israel. They immediately quote tonnes of old testament laws which are very difficult to follow, and tell you that you simply want them to be under the curse of the law if they dare break any of them.

The problem with such people is that they don't understand the Bible because they lack the Holy Spirit which guides into all truth. That's why they have thrown away a whole portion of the Bible and have stick with the New Testament. Even the new testament which they claim to follow, they do not believe in it.

Now, is the old testament to be thrown away? No, because it is as good for us today as it was for those of old.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

As seen above, all scripture is profitable for doctrine. It doesn't say the old testament is not profitable nor does it say it is only the new testament that is profitable. It says all scripture. God gave us the old testament so that we can learn a lot from what happened before our time because such lessons will help us during the end times.

1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Now, concerning keeping old testament laws. We are to continue keeping them until Jesus Christ who died on the cross tells us otherwise. Now, he's not going to tell us otherwise because he's already stated what we need in the Bible, we just have to look therein. S, what did Jesus Christ himself said concerning the law? Let's hear him speak.

Matthew 5:17-20 KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Did you see where Jesus said he has thrown the law into the refuse dump? No, you can't find such. Rather what you'll find is him saying he came to fulfill it. He even said not one jot shall pass away. To show that what he said back in the old testament still stands, he placed a loss on whoever shall break one of the smallest of the commandments and even go ahead to teach men to do the same thing. That's why I pity those who say they won't tithe and go about teaching people against tithing on social media.

You may ask, if the laws of the old testament still stand, how come people no longer offer animal sacrifices and other practices of the old testament like ablution, keeping the Sabbath day etc?

Before I answer those questions, let me first of take you on a ride for understanding. Read the below verses.

Deutoronomy 22:5 KJV
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Leviticus 18:16 KJV
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD.

Both verses are Old Testament laws against incest and cross-dressing. Now, the people who say we should throw away the old testament and those who say we shouldn't obey the laws of Moses are so foolish in that they do not see the error in their saying. According to them, Jesus Christ has died to set us free. Did he died so that we can now cross-dress like homosexuals and sleep with our sister or mother? An old testament law also says we are not to bow down to idols. What these people are saying is that we can now bow down to idols because Jesus has set us free. These people don't know what Jesus set us free from, they just parrot junks which they heard a social media liar say. They might even say we don't need the law to teach us what is right from wrong because the Holy Spirit living in us will do that for us. That foolish statement made them throw away the old testament. But wait, let's see who the Holy Spirit is:

John 14:26 KJV
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit will bring to remembrance all what Jesus told us in the Bible. Now, how will you be able to remember what Jesus said in the old testament when you've thrown it away? Or don't you know that the entire Bible is about Jesus right from Genesis chapter 1 to the last chapter of Revelations? Jesus speaking:

John 5:54 KJV
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

To be honest with you, it is not every law in the old testament that we are to obey as Christians. But how do we know which to obey from those we aren't to obey? It is by listening to Jesus, listening to what he said back then in the old testament and now in the new testament. That's how we know that the laws on ablution and Sabbath have changed.

Concerning the law against idol worshiping, did Jesus change that the law in the new testament? No he didn't. That's why we still obey that law today. What about cross-dressing and incest? Those laws still stand because he didn't change them.

Now, there are some laws which he changed in the new testament. Remember he stated through Apostle Paul that since the Levitical priesthood changed, there came a change of the law. It doesn't say the law was thrown out, it only says it changed.

Hebrews 7:12 KJV
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The law which talked about not eating certain animals got changed in the new testament when Paul said we can eat all things.

Romans 14:2-13 KJV
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Remember the law against eating blood? That law still stands.

Genesis 9:4 KJV
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Acts 15:29 KJV
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

You see, whatever Jesus doesn't want us to continue with he clearly states it in the new testament. Now, whatever he didn't change about the old testament laws still remains. It means whatever he said back in the old testament must still be followed. If he didn't tell you to stop, you are not to stop. Since he hasn't told you to stop obeying the anti-cross dressing, the incest and so many laws of the old testament, why do you feel you can just wake up ome morning and stop obeying them?

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Where did Jesus command you that you shouldn't pay tithe any more? You will never find. The closest you find is him even upholding the law on tithing three times in the new testament. Since he hasn't told you to stop, who are you to stop paying tithe? What he said back then still stands and must be obeyed. If you go about disobeying it and telling people to disobey it too, then you will be the least in the Kingdom of God.

For all those who love to say Jesus has set them free from the curse of the law, so they are not going to obey the law, such people don't even understand that particular verse they quote. Jesus didn't set you free from the law so that you won't obey it any more. Rather, he set you free from seeing it as a means to eternal life. If you say you want to make heaven by not sinning at all i.e obeying all the law, then you will end up in hell fire. You will end up there because you can never succeed in obeying the entire law. It even becomes worst for you if you pass all but failed in one. You will be guilty of even the ones you passed.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Since no man can pass the whole law without failing one, Jesus had to come and make it easy for us to make heaven. He came, passed the law without sinning or failing any. When he died, his righteousness was taken from him and given to us who believe in him, while our sin was given to him.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


All we just have to do now is believe in him and Eternal life is ours.

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


We are saved by Grace, not by the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Does that mean since we are saved we can now bow down to idols, commit incest, not pay tithe, coveteousness, steal, cross-dress, murder etc? No, because it will mean we are disobeying the laws of the one who saved us. Guess what? we will receive spanking from him if we do such.

Hebrews 12:6 KJV
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

If you don't want God to keep spanking you, then get back to obeying his commandment which is a sign of love for him.

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Obey his laws because he is...

Hebrews 13:8 KJV
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Amen

This is such an ignorant post.This shows you don't know why Christ cane,you don't know the impact of his death and resurrection
First of all you are not a jew
Laws were for Jews outside Christ,you are not one.
Secondly there are 613 laws and ordinances ,how you pick and choose which to keep and which to discard beats me.
You already gave answers to your own questions.
You need a hood bible teacher after being born again

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Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by sacx: 2:35pm On Mar 10, 2019
OP, you don't understand the gospel
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Kingv(m): 2:36pm On Mar 10, 2019
You do not read for knowledge

This was a cry of the Psalmist for Jerusalem against Babylonians after they overthrew Jerusalem

Psalms expresses emotions. He was bitter against what was done to the Israelites and was crying out for vegeance

Korllami007:


Make I give you another one

Psalm 139 vs 9 kjv
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

New Living Translation
Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!

You want to be happy? Christians in the house smash your kids against the rock

Please kindly follow what the Bible preaches we all believe in it grin
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by sacx: 2:41pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Was Jesus Christ not the same person that gave the laws in the old testament? Is the job of the Holy Spirit not to remind us of those laws?


The law was given to men whose spirits were dead, are you aware? Do you have a dead spirit sir?
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 2:49pm On Mar 10, 2019
babeosisi:


This is such an ignorant post.This shows you don't know why Christ cane,you don't know the impact of his death and resurrection
First of all you are not a jew
Laws were for Jews outside Christ,you are not one.
Secondly there are 613 laws and ordinances ,how you pick and choose which to keep and which to discard beats me.
You already gave answers to your own questions.
You need a hood bible teacher after being born again

The part of the 613 laws which we are not to keep have been clearly scripted in the new testament. Examples are laws of diverse washings which has been stopped.

To know which ones to pick, simply use the rule of thumb: Whatever Jesus changed about the old testament laws in the new Testament means it is done away with and replaced with the new. Whatever part of the old testament which he didn't change in the new testament just know that we are to continue with it as it was in the old testament.
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 2:50pm On Mar 10, 2019
sacx:


The law was given to men whose spirits were dead, are you aware? Do you have a dead spirit sir?
Where is that written?

Since it was written for men with dead spirit, then go and sleep with your sister since your own spirit is alive and the law is not for you
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Kingv(m): 2:52pm On Mar 10, 2019
It is painful seeing that Christians believe God in their hearts without actions to back it up.

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Titus:1:16

The prophesy of what we are enjoying today as Grace can be seen in Eze 36 vs 25-27

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Ezekiel:36:25
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Ezekiel:36:26
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Ezekiel:36:27

Vs 27- The spirit that God promised here is to help us remember the whole law and to obey them


The weakness of the law is just on the part that it does not have the will power for one to be obedient to it. Because we were carnal and the law spiritual( Rom. 7)

INORDER FOR US TO BE OBEDIENT TO THE LAW WE NEED TO BE SPIRITUAL---ADVENT OF GRACE THROUGH OUR LORD JESUS

For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us, to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in this present world;
Titus 2:11‭-‬12 ASV

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans:3:31

Keep it up OP...more grace to you

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Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Horlufemi(m): 2:54pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


The problem you have with the option is tithing which it mentioned.

Take away tithing and examined the rest. You still won't succeed in rubbish it.

Tithing is the Koko of your teachings.

The Gospel of God wants you to be rich on Earth right now. That's the focus of your kind of teaching while ignoring the Koko of Christ's teachings. Love. The New Commandment to "love one another" which, according to the Bible, was given as part of the final instructions to his disciples.

Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you. 34 A NEW COMMANDMENT I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. —John 13:33–35 (KJV; emphasis added)

The ten commandments is the same as the new commandment

Love God, Love your neighbor

(First 4) Love God, (last 6) Love your neighbor.

Many laws in the old testament are redundant. Reason: you can't keep all of them. The ten commandments however are based on love. You can't break one without breaking the rest.

Love is the centre of The message of Christ not keeping old testament laws.

The spirit of God will teach you how to love.

Everything you do in Christianity is waste of energy without love. If you like speak all the languages of the world, raise the dead, heal the sick but if you don't have love. No eternal life for you.

God is love that's why love is absolute in Christianity. Faith will take you to heavens gate, love will take you in.

My dear bagdaddy

Keeping commandments is not the Koko.

Love is the Koko

Be perfect like your father in heaven is perfect.

You can't miss it with love.

Cheers bagdaddy grin

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Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 3:00pm On Mar 10, 2019
Horlufemi:


Tithing is the Koko of your teachings.

The Gospel of God wants you to be rich on Earth right now. That's the focus of your kind of teaching while ignoring the Koko of Christ's teachings. Love. The New Commandment to "love one another" which, according to the Bible, was given as part of the final instructions to his disciples.

Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you. 34 A NEW COMMANDMENT I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 [b]By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. —John 13:33–35 (KJV; emphasis added)

The ten commandments is the same as the new commandment

Love God, Love your neighbor

(First 4) Love God, (last 6) Love your neighbor.

Many laws in the old testament are redundant. Reason: you can't keep all of them. The ten commandments however are based on love. You can't break one without breaking the rest.

Love is the centre of The message of Christ not keeping old testament laws.

The spirit of God will teach you how to love.

Everything you do in Christianity is waste of energy without love. If you like speak all the languages of the world, raise the dead, heal the sick but if you don't have love. No eternal life for you.

God is love that's why love is absolute in Christianity. Faith will take you to heavens gate, love will take you in.

My dear bagdaddy

Keeping commandments is not the Koko.

Love is the Koko

Be perfect like your father in heaven is perfect.

You can't miss it with love.

Cheers bagdaddy grin

Funny man.
.How do you claim you love God when you disobey is commandments?

Examples: Don't bow down to idols, don't covet, don't have sex with a kin, don't wear woman's clothes etc?

But according to you, you do t need to obey those laws, just have love. Jesus said if you love him you will keep his commandments. How can you say you have LOVE when such love doesnt involve keeping God's commandments?
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 3:03pm On Mar 10, 2019
Kingv:
It is painful seeing that Christians believe God in their hearts without actions to back it up.

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Titus:1:16

The prophesy of what we are enjoying today as Grace can be seen in Eze 36 vs 25-27

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Ezekiel:36:25
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Ezekiel:36:26
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Ezekiel:36:27

Vs 27- The spirit that God promised here is to help us remember the whole law and to obey them


The weakness of the law is just on the part that it does not have the will power for one to be obedient to it. Because we were carnal and the law spiritual( Rom. 7)

INORDER FOR US TO BE OBEDIENT TO THE LAW WE NEED TO BE SPIRITUAL---ADVENT OF GRACE THROUGH OUR LORD JESUS

For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us, to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in this present world;
Titus 2:11‭-‬12 ASV

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans:3:31

Keep it up OP...more grace to you


Thanks very much. Don't mind those ignoramuses that have been deceived.

Thanks for the last verse you quoted. That was Apostle Paul talking about establishing the law. Yet these deceivers say the law has been done away with.

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Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by sacx: 3:04pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:
Where is that written?

Since it was written for men with dead spirit, then go and sleep with your sister since your own spirit is alive and the law is not for you

You are employing defence mechanism here. See below:

1 Corinthians 15:22

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Death reigned from Adam; reasons why the law was given. I'm alive in Christ. By the reason of the constituent of the life which I AM, I cannot sin. This is my testimony, and the testimony of every believer.
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 3:07pm On Mar 10, 2019
sacx:


You are employing defence mechanism here. See below:

1 Corinthians 15:22

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Death reigned from Adam; reasons why the law was given. I'm alive in Christ. By the reason of the constituent of the life which I AM, I cannot sin. This is my testimony, and the testimony of every believer.

How does this say the old testament was written for dead men? undecided
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by sacx: 3:09pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Thanks very much. Don't mind those ignoramuses that have been deceived.

Thanks for the last verse you quoted. That was Apostle Paul talking about establishing the law. Yet these deceivers say the law has been done away with.

This is how you people ere. You pick one verse and misinterpret it. Go and read verse 27 and 28
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Horlufemi(m): 3:10pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Funny man.
.How do you claim you love God when you disobey is commandments?

Examples: Don't bow down to idols, don't covet, don't have sex with a kin, don't wear woman's clothes etc?

But according to you, you do t need to obey those laws, just have love. Jesus said if you love him you will keep his commandments. How can you say you have LOVE when such love doesnt involve keeping God's commandments?


Christians have broken the 613 Commandments into three categories for nearly two thousand years:

The Judicial Commandments, on how Israel should run herself as a civil state were only valid for Israel. They may or may not be valid if your country’s government enacts similar laws. They have no moral standing one way or the other. (Tithing falls under here)

The Ceremonial Commandments, like nailing a Mezuzah to the lintel, wearing tassels, men covering their head while praying, keeping Kosher, and circumcising male infants. These commandments were all foreshadowing the Messiah. To obey them now would be to state your belief that the Messiah had not come and you were still awaiting him. Thus it has been a serious sin to obey any of these commandments and think that in them you are saving yourself. (Sacrifices fall under here)

The Moral Commandments : ie: the Ten Commandments- these are based on our natures and are universal. They are valid for all men at all times, and thus are the ones that Christ concentrated on and taught, and expanded for His Church. (Love God and your neighbor)

I'm confident you don't understand this, no scratch that, I'm confident you will reject this. You are simply adamant and you cannot reason. You lack understanding. Don't worry there're plenty of mugu for you to ensnare. Mugu no dey finish.

My happiness is that someone with see this and have that veil removed and have understanding.

Shalom bagdaddy
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by sacx: 3:15pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


How does this say the old testament was written for dead men? undecided

All die in Adam. All are alive in Christ. All the generations from Adam till Jesus Christ has death in their spirit on the account of sin. It was for this purpose Christ came.

See also:

Romans 5:12

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by princeade86(m): 3:28pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Stop using Bible translations other than the King James Version. Other Bible translations are Satan's handwork designed to create confusion.

The translation you used spoke of slave as if the Bible condones slavery. It makes it look like the Bible supports the trans Atlantic slavery.

But the KJV speaks of servant. Servants do get punished today. Even though it doesn't occur in cooperate offices, it occurs in brown collar jobs.


Exodus 21:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

Please stay away from all those other Bible versions, especially the NIV, they are Satan's playbook he uses to confuse believers. Read the thread below for more understanding.

https://www.nairaland.com/4957299/bible-sword-butter-knife-why

I believe I've answered your questions by showing how a false bible misled you into thinking that slaver was condoned.

Where are children bought and sold as servants in the old testament?
can u see urself. And u call urself a believer. So other bible was written by devil abi, except kjv. Hmmmmmm
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Dhumancanvas: 4:00pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


You find it disgusting right?

Your friends want us to throw away the law that prohibits doing that.

Now, who's disgusting?
So without the old testament to tell you not to have sex with yout mum you will be having that hot steamy sex with your mum you been going on about?
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Dhumancanvas: 4:02pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


You find it disgusting right?

Your friends want us to throw away the law that prohibits doing that.

Now, who's disgusting?
So without the old testament to tell you not to have sex with your mum you would be having hot steamy sex with your mum right now right?

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Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Xmen149(m): 4:10pm On Mar 10, 2019
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Xmen149(m): 4:10pm On Mar 10, 2019
more later
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Lotechi(m): 4:27pm On Mar 10, 2019
alBHAGDADI:
There's currently a movement out there which wants Christians to throwaway the old testament part of the Bible and just stick with the new testament alone. Those behind this movement are mostly those against tithing. They say we are not to obey old testament laws because Christ has freed us from the law. They say those who obey the old testament laws are under a curse. Below are their favourite verses

Galatians 3:10 KJV
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

They quote the above verses when you tell them that tithe is very much relevant today as it was in the days of the children of Israel. They immediately quote tonnes of old testament laws which are very difficult to follow, and tell you that you simply want them to be under the curse of the law if they dare break any of them.

The problem with such people is that they don't understand the Bible because they lack the Holy Spirit which guides into all truth. That's why they have thrown away a whole portion of the Bible and have stick with the New Testament. Even the new testament which they claim to follow, they do not believe in it.

Now, is the old testament to be thrown away? No, because it is as good for us today as it was for those of old.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

As seen above, all scripture is profitable for doctrine. It doesn't say the old testament is not profitable nor does it say it is only the new testament that is profitable. It says all scripture. God gave us the old testament so that we can learn a lot from what happened before our time because such lessons will help us during the end times.

1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Now, concerning keeping old testament laws. We are to continue keeping them until Jesus Christ who died on the cross tells us otherwise. Now, he's not going to tell us otherwise because he's already stated what we need in the Bible, we just have to look therein. S, what did Jesus Christ himself said concerning the law? Let's hear him speak.

Matthew 5:17-20 KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Did you see where Jesus said he has thrown the law into the refuse dump? No, you can't find such. Rather what you'll find is him saying he came to fulfill it. He even said not one jot shall pass away. To show that what he said back in the old testament still stands, he placed a loss on whoever shall break one of the smallest of the commandments and even go ahead to teach men to do the same thing. That's why I pity those who say they won't tithe and go about teaching people against tithing on social media.

You may ask, if the laws of the old testament still stand, how come people no longer offer animal sacrifices and other practices of the old testament like ablution, keeping the Sabbath day etc?

Before I answer those questions, let me first of take you on a ride for understanding. Read the below verses.

Deutoronomy 22:5 KJV
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Leviticus 18:16 KJV
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD.

Both verses are Old Testament laws against incest and cross-dressing. Now, the people who say we should throw away the old testament and those who say we shouldn't obey the laws of Moses are so foolish in that they do not see the error in their saying. According to them, Jesus Christ has died to set us free. Did he died so that we can now cross-dress like homosexuals and sleep with our sister or mother? An old testament law also says we are not to bow down to idols. What these people are saying is that we can now bow down to idols because Jesus has set us free. These people don't know what Jesus set us free from, they just parrot junks which they heard a social media liar say. They might even say we don't need the law to teach us what is right from wrong because the Holy Spirit living in us will do that for us. That foolish statement made them throw away the old testament. But wait, let's see who the Holy Spirit is:

John 14:26 KJV
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit will bring to remembrance all what Jesus told us in the Bible. Now, how will you be able to remember what Jesus said in the old testament when you've thrown it away? Or don't you know that the entire Bible is about Jesus right from Genesis chapter 1 to the last chapter of Revelations? Jesus speaking:

John 5:54 KJV
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

To be honest with you, it is not every law in the old testament that we are to obey as Christians. But how do we know which to obey from those we aren't to obey? It is by listening to Jesus, listening to what he said back then in the old testament and now in the new testament. That's how we know that the laws on ablution and Sabbath have changed.

Concerning the law against idol worshiping, did Jesus change that the law in the new testament? No he didn't. That's why we still obey that law today. What about cross-dressing and incest? Those laws still stand because he didn't change them.

Now, there are some laws which he changed in the new testament. Remember he stated through Apostle Paul that since the Levitical priesthood changed, there came a change of the law. It doesn't say the law was thrown out, it only says it changed.

Hebrews 7:12 KJV
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The law which talked about not eating certain animals got changed in the new testament when Paul said we can eat all things.

Romans 14:2-13 KJV
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Remember the law against eating blood? That law still stands.

Genesis 9:4 KJV
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Acts 15:29 KJV
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

You see, whatever Jesus doesn't want us to continue with he clearly states it in the new testament. Now, whatever he didn't change about the old testament laws still remains. It means whatever he said back in the old testament must still be followed. If he didn't tell you to stop, you are not to stop. Since he hasn't told you to stop obeying the anti-cross dressing, the incest and so many laws of the old testament, why do you feel you can just wake up ome morning and stop obeying them?

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Where did Jesus command you that you shouldn't pay tithe any more? You will never find. The closest you find is him even upholding the law on tithing three times in the new testament. Since he hasn't told you to stop, who are you to stop paying tithe? What he said back then still stands and must be obeyed. If you go about disobeying it and telling people to disobey it too, then you will be the least in the Kingdom of God.

For all those who love to say Jesus has set them free from the curse of the law, so they are not going to obey the law, such people don't even understand that particular verse they quote. Jesus didn't set you free from the law so that you won't obey it any more. Rather, he set you free from seeing it as a means to eternal life. If you say you want to make heaven by not sinning at all i.e obeying all the law, then you will end up in hell fire. You will end up there because you can never succeed in obeying the entire law. It even becomes worst for you if you pass all but failed in one. You will be guilty of even the ones you passed.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Since no man can pass the whole law without failing one, Jesus had to come and make it easy for us to make heaven. He came, passed the law without sinning or failing any. When he died, his righteousness was taken from him and given to us who believe in him, while our sin was given to him.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


All we just have to do now is believe in him and Eternal life is ours.

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


We are saved by Grace, not by the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Does that mean since we are saved we can now bow down to idols, commit incest, not pay tithe, coveteousness, steal, cross-dress, murder etc? No, because it will mean we are disobeying the laws of the one who saved us. Guess what? we will receive spanking from him if we do such.

Hebrews 12:6 KJV
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

If you don't want God to keep spanking you, then get back to obeying his commandment which is a sign of love for him.

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Obey his laws because he is...

Hebrews 13:8 KJV
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Amen
you should strive to make the world a better place in anyway you can. Let's focus on how we can improve the world we live in.
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 4:37pm On Mar 10, 2019
Xmen149:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-P0bm3SeQs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khS2iLTLzlA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDQ0w_f5P2s

https://anonhq.com/vatican-remove-14-books-bible-1684/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_the_Bible

They we're not removed from the Bible but prevented from being included in the Bible. Those books contain heresies. Some of them even say Jesus never died. According to you, any Tom dick and Harry can write a book and call it gospel which must be included in the Bible. Stop watching YouTube my friend
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 4:40pm On Mar 10, 2019
Dhumancanvas:

So without the old testament to tell you not to have sex with your mum you would be having hot steamy sex with your mum right now right?

Were people not doing it before Christian civilization? Are people not practicing incest today?

Romans 3:20
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

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