princeade86:
can u see urself. And u call urself a believer. So other bible was written by devil abi, except kjv. Hmmmmmm

Read link below.


https://www.nairaland.com/4957299/bible-sword-butter-knife-why

sacx:


All die in Adam. All are alive in Christ. All the generations from Adam till Jesus Christ has death in their spirit on the account of sin. It was for this purpose Christ came.

See also:

Romans 5:12

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Stop quoting scriptures that don't answer your case. Nowhere is it written that the old testament was written for dead mean. Rather, the Bible says it was written for us alive today.

1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD4cZcvXApw

Horlufemi:



Christians have broken the 613 Commandments into three categories for nearly two thousand years:

The Judicial Commandments, on how Israel should run herself as a civil state were only valid for Israel. They may or may not be valid if your country’s government enacts similar laws. They have no moral standing one way or the other. (Tithing falls under here)

The Ceremonial Commandments, like nailing a Mezuzah to the lintel, wearing tassels, men covering their head while praying, keeping Kosher, and circumcising male infants. These commandments were all foreshadowing the Messiah. To obey them now would be to state your belief that the Messiah had not come and you were still awaiting him. Thus it has been a serious sin to obey any of these commandments and think that in them you are saving yourself. (Sacrifices fall under here)

The Moral Commandments : ie: the Ten Commandments- these are based on our natures and are universal. They are valid for all men at all times, and thus are the ones that Christ concentrated on and taught, and expanded for His Church. (Love God and your neighbor)

I'm confident you don't understand this, no scratch that, I'm confident you will reject this. You are simply adamant and you cannot reason. You lack understanding. Don't worry there're plenty of mugu for you to ensnare. Mugu no dey finish.

My happiness is that someone with see this and have that veil removed and have understanding.

Shalom bagdaddy

Sorry dude, you don't just create a silly table with nothing under.

Kindly place 20 laws in each of those tables and see how far you will go with the falsehood you've been deceived with.

You even said tithing falls under judicial commandment meant for Israel alone. The tithing Abraham and Jacob paid, were they under Israel? You just copied the above trash from a link someone posted on this thread and you think you now have a point. You know nothing dude.

sacx:


This is how you people ere. You pick one verse and misinterpret it. Go and read verse 27 and 28

You are the one erring here. Paul said in those verses that we are not justified by works of the law but by faith. He now went on to say this doesn't mean we should now use faith to void the law, rather we establish the law.

alBHAGDADI:


Sorry dude, you don't just create a silly table with nothing under.

Kindly place 20 laws in each of those tables and see how far you will go with the falsehood you've been deceived with.

You even said tithing falls under judicial commandment meant for Israel alone. The tithing Abraham and Jacob paid, were they under Israel? You just copied the above trash from a link someone posted on this thread and you think you now have a point. You know nothing dude.

Alubagdaddy

If I don't pay tithe. I'll not go to heaven abi?

alBHAGDADI:


Were people not doing it before Christian civilization? Are people not practicing incest today?

Romans 3:20
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

I'm not talking about people I'm talking about you? Do you feel this powerful desire to bang your mum but the only thing stopping you is the scriptures?

alBHAGDADI:


Then go and have sex with your mama tonight.

You are just a clown and the only law in your head is go and have sex with your mama tonight...mad ppl every where

Dhumancanvas:

I'm not talking about people I'm talking about you? Do you feel this powerful desire to bang your mum but the only thing stopping you is the scriptures?

That law is what judges those who do such. Without the law, then they are not committing any sin. Same with the old testament law against homosexuality. Without the law, people won't judge homosexuals.

But folks like you want us to throw those laws away so that everyone can live as they like.

Horlufemi:




If I don't pay tithe. I'll not go to heaven abi?

If you don't pay tithe but believe in Jesus, heaven is sure for you. But God will punish you here on Earth for not paying tithe.

It marvels me that some people could so labored arduously in defends of falsehoods

alBHAGDADI:


Was Jesus Christ not the same person that gave the laws in the old testament? Is the job of the Holy Spirit not to remind us of those laws?

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No sir! The Holy Spirit is the law written in our hearts.

Secondly, Galatians 3:21b says "...for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.", telling us that a law that cannot give life cannot produce righteousness.

It takes the force of the fear of death for anyone to keep the law and not the power of God which the Holy Spirit epitomises.

alBHAGDADI:


Where is that written?

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matthew 5:22 KJV

Mumu = fool

frekyfrik:


But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matthew 5:22 KJV

Mumu = fool

Yeah, Paul is also guilty of it according to your twisted understanding of the verse.

Galatians 3:1-3 (KJV)
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

alBHAGDADI:


You are the one erring here. Paul said in those verses that we are not justified by works of the law but by faith. He now went on to say this doesn't mean we should now use faith to void the law, rather we establish the law.

Did you really read that passage? It's the law of faith we establish (law of the Spirit of Christ) not the law of works (deeds of the old covenant),

Have you seen this passage in scripture before?

Hebrews 8:13

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

alBHAGDADI:


Stop quoting scriptures that don't answer your case. Nowhere is it written that the old testament was written for dead mean. Rather, the Bible says it was written for us alive today.

1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

You don't understand what it means to be dead. What you are actually referring to as death is the culmination of a process that have already taken place in the spirit.

alBHAGDADI:


If you don't pay tithe but believe in Jesus, heaven is sure for you. But God will punish you here on Earth for not paying tithe.

God is so loving, that he'll punish me for not paying tithe and bless another who didn't believe in him for not paying tithe?

Horlufemi:


God is so loving, that he'll punish me for not paying tithe and bless another who didn't believe in him for not paying tithe?

Do atheists pay tithe?

sacx:


Did you really read that passage? It's the law of faith we establish (law of the Spirit of Christ) not the law of works (deeds of the old covenant),

Have you seen this passage in scripture before?

Hebrews 8:13

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

And what is the covenant?

alBHAGDADI:


And what is the covenant?

You tell me. From that passage, which covenant becomes obsolete (vanish away)?

alBHAGDADI:


Do atheists pay tithe?

Answer my question first.

sacx:


You tell me. From that passage, which covenant becomes obsolete (vanish away)?

Attaining heaven is no more by works of the law but by believe in Jesus. That's what became obsolete, not the laws themselves. Remember Jesus said not one jot shall pass away. He even warned against disobeying even the least of the laws. But attaining heaven is no longer by obeying the laws but by believe in Jesus.

Horlufemi:


Answer my question first.

Mention the name of the unbeliever who pays tithe first

alBHAGDADI:
Attaining heaven is no more by works of the law but by believe in Jesus. That's what became obsolete, not the laws themselves. Remember Jesus said not one jot shall pass away. He even warned against disobeying even the least of the laws. But attaining heaven is no longer by obeying the laws but by believe in Jesus.

Please how did you come about the subject of attaining heaven, from that same passage? Read that passage again and explain it; it's not talking about heaven.

On attaining heaven: Did you read where Jesus said the kingdom is within you. If heaven is inside of you, why do you speak of it like some height to be attained?

On Jesus saying he did not come to destroy the law, read further, he explained what he came to do. He came to fulfill it on our behalfs. If I have fulfilled the demands of a thing, why then am I still indebted to it?


Let me also ask if you've seen these passages in scripture before

Hebrews 7:12

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

alBHAGDADI:
There's currently a movement out there which wants Christians to throwaway the old testament part of the Bible and just stick with the new testament alone. Those behind this movement are mostly those against tithing. They say we are not to obey old testament laws because Christ has freed us from the law. They say those who obey the old testament laws are under a curse. Below are their favourite verses

Galatians 3:10 KJV
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

They quote the above verses when you tell them that tithe is very much relevant today as it was in the days of the children of Israel. They immediately quote tonnes of old testament laws which are very difficult to follow, and tell you that you simply want them to be under the curse of the law if they dare break any of them.

The problem with such people is that they don't understand the Bible because they lack the Holy Spirit which guides into all truth. That's why they have thrown away a whole portion of the Bible and have stick with the New Testament. Even the new testament which they claim to follow, they do not believe in it.

Now, is the old testament to be thrown away? No, because it is as good for us today as it was for those of old.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

As seen above, all scripture is profitable for doctrine. It doesn't say the old testament is not profitable nor does it say it is only the new testament that is profitable. It says all scripture. God gave us the old testament so that we can learn a lot from what happened before our time because such lessons will help us during the end times.

1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Now, concerning keeping old testament laws. We are to continue keeping them until Jesus Christ who died on the cross tells us otherwise. Now, he's not going to tell us otherwise because he's already stated what we need in the Bible, we just have to look therein. S, what did Jesus Christ himself said concerning the law? Let's hear him speak.

Matthew 5:17-20 KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Did you see where Jesus said he has thrown the law into the refuse dump? No, you can't find such. Rather what you'll find is him saying he came to fulfill it. He even said not one jot shall pass away. To show that what he said back in the old testament still stands, he placed a loss on whoever shall break one of the smallest of the commandments and even go ahead to teach men to do the same thing. That's why I pity those who say they won't tithe and go about teaching people against tithing on social media.

You may ask, if the laws of the old testament still stand, how come people no longer offer animal sacrifices and other practices of the old testament like ablution, keeping the Sabbath day etc?

Before I answer those questions, let me first of take you on a ride for understanding. Read the below verses.

Deutoronomy 22:5 KJV
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Leviticus 18:16 KJV
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD.

Both verses are Old Testament laws against incest and cross-dressing. Now, the people who say we should throw away the old testament and those who say we shouldn't obey the laws of Moses are so foolish in that they do not see the error in their saying. According to them, Jesus Christ has died to set us free. Did he died so that we can now cross-dress like homosexuals and sleep with our sister or mother? An old testament law also says we are not to bow down to idols. What these people are saying is that we can now bow down to idols because Jesus has set us free. These people don't know what Jesus set us free from, they just parrot junks which they heard a social media liar say. They might even say we don't need the law to teach us what is right from wrong because the Holy Spirit living in us will do that for us. That foolish statement made them throw away the old testament. But wait, let's see who the Holy Spirit is:

John 14:26 KJV
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit will bring to remembrance all what Jesus told us in the Bible. Now, how will you be able to remember what Jesus said in the old testament when you've thrown it away? Or don't you know that the entire Bible is about Jesus right from Genesis chapter 1 to the last chapter of Revelations? Jesus speaking:

John 5:54 KJV
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

To be honest with you, it is not every law in the old testament that we are to obey as Christians. But how do we know which to obey from those we aren't to obey? It is by listening to Jesus, listening to what he said back then in the old testament and now in the new testament. That's how we know that the laws on ablution and Sabbath have changed.

Concerning the law against idol worshiping, did Jesus change that the law in the new testament? No he didn't. That's why we still obey that law today. What about cross-dressing and incest? Those laws still stand because he didn't change them.

Now, there are some laws which he changed in the new testament. Remember he stated through Apostle Paul that since the Levitical priesthood changed, there came a change of the law. It doesn't say the law was thrown out, it only says it changed.

Hebrews 7:12 KJV
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The law which talked about not eating certain animals got changed in the new testament when Paul said we can eat all things.

Romans 14:2-13 KJV
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Remember the law against eating blood? That law still stands.

Genesis 9:4 KJV
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Acts 15:29 KJV
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

You see, whatever Jesus doesn't want us to continue with he clearly states it in the new testament. Now, whatever he didn't change about the old testament laws still remains. It means whatever he said back in the old testament must still be followed. If he didn't tell you to stop, you are not to stop. Since he hasn't told you to stop obeying the anti-cross dressing, the incest and so many laws of the old testament, why do you feel you can just wake up ome morning and stop obeying them?

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Where did Jesus command you that you shouldn't pay tithe any more? You will never find. The closest you find is him even upholding the law on tithing three times in the new testament. Since he hasn't told you to stop, who are you to stop paying tithe? What he said back then still stands and must be obeyed. If you go about disobeying it and telling people to disobey it too, then you will be the least in the Kingdom of God.

For all those who love to say Jesus has set them free from the curse of the law, so they are not going to obey the law, such people don't even understand that particular verse they quote. Jesus didn't set you free from the law so that you won't obey it any more. Rather, he set you free from seeing it as a means to eternal life. If you say you want to make heaven by not sinning at all i.e obeying all the law, then you will end up in hell fire. You will end up there because you can never succeed in obeying the entire law. It even becomes worst for you if you pass all but failed in one. You will be guilty of even the ones you passed.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Since no man can pass the whole law without failing one, Jesus had to come and make it easy for us to make heaven. He came, passed the law without sinning or failing any. When he died, his righteousness was taken from him and given to us who believe in him, while our sin was given to him.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


All we just have to do now is believe in him and Eternal life is ours.

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


We are saved by Grace, not by the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Does that mean since we are saved we can now bow down to idols, commit incest, not pay tithe, coveteousness, steal, cross-dress, murder etc? No, because it will mean we are disobeying the laws of the one who saved us. Guess what? we will receive spanking from him if we do such.

Hebrews 12:6 KJV
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

If you don't want God to keep spanking you, then get back to obeying his commandment which is a sign of love for him.

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Obey his laws because he is...

Hebrews 13:8 KJV
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Amen

Anyone who preaches: The laws of the Original Covenant no longer apply to us, is our enemy! Such doctrine is undoubtedly from the pit of hell!

Our enemies know this but we don't: "But if you do not obey Me, anf do all these commands...I also do this to you: And I shall appoint sudden alarm over you, wasting disease and inflamation, destroying the eyes and consumming the life. And you shall so your seed in vain, for YOUR ENEMY SHALL eat it.

I shall set My face against you AND YOU SHALL BE SMITTEN BEFORE YOUR ENEMIES.

And THOSE WHO HATE YOU SHALL RULE OVER YOU, and you shall flee when no one pursues you..." Lev 26:14 and ffl

This is clearly happening to us right now! We might be rich in resources but who eats the good of the land?! Those who hate us--neandathals--you name them caucasians, chinese indian, arabs etc!

Even our Savior, the Word of Life said:
"Whoever then breaks one of the least of thesr commands, and teaches men to do so, shLl be called least in the reign of the heavens ..." Mat 5 19

Let's be alert people, we're at war-- not against flesh and blood, though.

We have to humble ourselves, confess our crookedness and return to Him who called us and set us apart from all nations of the world--our Creator!

alBHAGDADI:
Attaining heaven is no more by works of the law but by believe in Jesus. That's what became obsolete, not the laws themselves. Remember Jesus said not one jot shall pass away. He even warned against disobeying even the least of the laws. But attaining heaven is no longer by obeying the laws but by believe in Jesus.

Let me also ask again. If attaining heaven is not by obeying the law, what then is the significance of the law since I can attain heaven by simply believing in Jesus?

The OP is just trying to cause confusion, whereas, the Apostles of the early church dealt with his type in Acts 15;


Acts 15 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

1 Then came down certain from Judea, and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

2 And when there was great dissension, and disputation by Paul and Barnabas against them, they ordained that Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question.

3 Thus being brought forth by the Church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles, and they brought great joy unto all the brethren.

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared what things God had done by them.

5 But said they, certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which did believe, rose up, saying that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.

6 Then the Apostles and Elders came together to look to this matter.

7 And when there had been great disputation, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Ye men and brethren, ye know that a good while ago, among us God chose out me, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe.

8 And God which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, in giving unto them the holy Ghost even as he did unto us.

9 And he put no difference between us and them, after that by faith he had purified their hearts.

10 Now therefore, why tempt ye God, to lay a yoke on the disciples’ necks, which neither our fathers, nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, even as they do.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and heard Barnabas and Paul, which told what signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.

13 And when they held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me.

14 Simeon hath declared, how God first did visit the Gentiles, to take of them a people unto his Name.

15 And to this agree the words of the Prophets, as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the Tabernacle of David, which is fallen down, and the ruins thereof will I build again, and I will set it up.

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom my Name is called, saith the Lord which doeth all these things.

18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,

20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, seeing he is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day.

22 Then it seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: to wit, Judas whose surname was Barsabas, and Silas, which were chief men among the brethren,

23 And wrote letters by them after this manner, THE APOSTLES, and the Elders, and the brethren, Unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, and in Syria, and in Cilicia, send greeting.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,

25 It seemed therefore good to us, when we were come together with one accord, to [send] chosen men unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.

26 Men that have given up their lives for the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, which shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things.

29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

30 Now when they were departed, they came to Antioch, and after that they had assembled the multitude, they delivered the Epistle,

31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced for the consolation.

32 And Judas and Silas being Prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words, and strengthened them.

33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace of the brethren unto the Apostles.

34 Notwithstanding Silas thought good to abide there still.

35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others the word of the Lord.

36 But after certain days, Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us return and visit our brethren in every city, where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

37 And Barnabas counseled to take with them John, called Mark.

38 But Paul thought it not meet to take him unto their company, which departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.

39 Then were they so stirred, that they departed asunder one from the other, so that Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus.

40 And Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended of the brethren unto the grace of God.

41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, establishing the Churches.




alBHAGDADI, were the Apostles wrong to conclude that the gentiles are not required to obey the Mosaic Laws as per Acts 15?

Cc; Muttleylaff, bloodofthelamb

btins001:


Anyone who preaches: The laws of the Original Covenant no longer apply to us, is our enemy! Such doctrine is undoubtedly from the pit of hell!

Our enemies know this but we don't: "But if you do not obey Me, anf do all these commands...I also do this to you: And I shall appoint sudden alarm over you, wasting disease and inflamation, destroying the eyes and consumming the life. And you shall so your seed in vain, for YOUR ENEMY SHALL eat it.

I shall set My face against you AND YOU SHALL BE SMITTEN BEFORE YOUR ENEMIES.

And THOSE WHO HATE YOU SHALL RULE OVER YOU, and you shall flee when no one pursues you..." Lev 26:14 and ffl

This is clearly happening to us right now! We might be rich in resources but who eats the good of the land?! Those who hate us--neandathals--you name them caucasians, chinese indian, arabs etc!

Even our Savior, the Word of Life said:
"Whoever then breaks one of the least of thesr commands, and teaches men to do so, shLl be called least in the reign of the heavens ..." Mat 5 19

Let's be alert people, we're at war-- not against flesh and blood, though.

We have to humble ourselves, confess our crookedness and return to Him who called us and set us apart from all nations of the world--our Creator!

Does it mean that the Apostles were wrong to conclude that the Gentiles were not required to keep the Mosaic Laws (Old Covenant) as per the church council meeting that held in Acts 15? Does it mean the Apostles were liars from the pit of hell?

Acts 15 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

1 Then came down certain from Judea, and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

2 And when there was great dissension, and disputation by Paul and Barnabas against them, they ordained that Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question.

3 Thus being brought forth by the Church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles, and they brought great joy unto all the brethren.

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared what things God had done by them.

5 But said they, certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which did believe, rose up, saying that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.

6 Then the Apostles and Elders came together to look to this matter.

7 And when there had been great disputation, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Ye men and brethren, ye know that a good while ago, among us God chose out me, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe.

8 And God which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, in giving unto them the holy Ghost even as he did unto us.

9 And he put no difference between us and them, after that by faith he had purified their hearts.

10 Now therefore, why tempt ye God, to lay a yoke on the disciples’ necks, which neither our fathers, nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, even as they do.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and heard Barnabas and Paul, which told what signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.

13 And when they held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me.

14 Simeon hath declared, how God first did visit the Gentiles, to take of them a people unto his Name.

15 And to this agree the words of the Prophets, as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the Tabernacle of David, which is fallen down, and the ruins thereof will I build again, and I will set it up.

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom my Name is called, saith the Lord which doeth all these things.

18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,

20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, seeing he is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day.

22 Then it seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: to wit, Judas whose surname was Barsabas, and Silas, which were chief men among the brethren,

23 And wrote letters by them after this manner, THE APOSTLES, and the Elders, and the brethren, Unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, and in Syria, and in Cilicia, send greeting.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,

25 It seemed therefore good to us, when we were come together with one accord, to [send] chosen men unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.

26 Men that have given up their lives for the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, which shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things.

29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

30 Now when they were departed, they came to Antioch, and after that they had assembled the multitude, they delivered the Epistle,

31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced for the consolation.

32 And Judas and Silas being Prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words, and strengthened them.

33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace of the brethren unto the Apostles.

34 Notwithstanding Silas thought good to abide there still.

35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others the word of the Lord.

36 But after certain days, Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us return and visit our brethren in every city, where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

37 And Barnabas counseled to take with them John, called Mark.

38 But Paul thought it not meet to take him unto their company, which departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.

39 Then were they so stirred, that they departed asunder one from the other, so that Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus.

40 And Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended of the brethren unto the grace of God.

41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, establishing the Churches.

MissRaine69:
Life is a lot more straightforward as an athetist.

Miss Raine, are you an Atheist?

alBHAGDADI:


If you don't pay tithe but believe in Jesus, heaven is sure for you. But God will punish you here on Earth for not paying tithe.

I'll like to see this stated in the Bible.

God is so loving, that he'll punish me for not paying tithe and bless another who didn't believe in him for not paying tithe?

Please don't beat about the bush and answer my question.

Mabpaine:
Miss Raine, are you an Atheist?

I commented on a thread.
My affiliations regarding faith is a personal matter.