walex1991:

Jesus is coming back, Abraham is not, Moses is not, Adam is not other prophets aren't by your words they're all false prophets. How did they know Jesus is coming back, well how did they know about the creation of Earth is genesis? The Bible gave accounts of happenings before Jesus life by your definition it is plagiarised? Surely the Holy books have been sent to you to serve as reminders and to bare witness to others that have been sent before and to preach the existence of God but since since y'all have turned a prophet of God to a god himself how do I expect you to think. Moses spoke to God himself and even his followers didn't call him God. And yeah it's in the Bible your holy spirit forbade preaching the gospel in Asia. Since you've done well in basing your Quranic hatred on online search I'm sure you can search that too

CHESTER48:
some few years back I have been mastering how to charge chakra and astra project. Untill one. One night, the weather was cold, I laid down, trying to get my brain empty so I could concentrate on my breath and suddenly I opened my eyes to feel a very cold feeling of death, I stood up and noticed I was leaving my body, I looked by the left and saw a black looking thing, it immediately rushed me, took my legs I screamed and tried to run from it, but the grip was heavy I was able to free my self, I woke up with my heart beating, since then I have been scared to try astral projection. Upto now

Dami12345:



Am curious on how you reached this stage .do enlight me pls.

CHESTER48:
first you have to stop believing all this Christianity folk tales. Cause they will only get u scared. Then read books about it. I'm sure it won't be had nonce u reach the vibration just pull from you body and you notice yourself floating.

budaatum:
I'm going to laugh at your mention of Odysseus. If anything, it should have been included in your dead gods, at least the ideas about gods in Odysseus should be. A comparable god I can think of is the God in the first six books of the Bible. And in my opinion, if that God had not evolved into Jesus Christ, we'd have killed it off too as Jung advised we should all our gods. I wonder if you know what he meant by that? Least be said, Odysseus is a far less complete description of whatever God may possibly be.

Jacobniegowski is referring to Jung's God. Jung derived a lot of his understanding of God from his study of the Christian God and how it evolved from pre-Christian ideas. He also wrote about the similarities of gods since his focus was in understanding and treating the psychological effects of people influenced by religion. To be honest, if you understood Jung, you'd very likely understand what I'm saying which tempts me to ask you what Jung's you've actually read.

The little I remember of the book of Ptah reads like Proverbs and The Book of the All-Virtuous Wisdom of Yeshua ben Sira, and could hardly be claimed to be a complete description of God.

The Bible itself is merely an image of God as conceived by those who wrote it. Yet even they managed to convey the fact that their image does not adequately describe God and warned of the error of making images of God because they would never completely describe whatever God may be. Christ sure is written to have warned against thinking God is whatever you may have read or thought God may be when he is written to have said "humans should not live by bread alone or they'd die of malnutrition." John too made us aware that the Bible is not a complete description of God with his "[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+21%3A25&version=NIV]Jesus[/url] did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written". And the Quran, which you mention, also claims to be incomplete when it is written in Luqman 31:27 that, "If all the trees upon the earth were pens and the sea [was ink], replenished thereafter by seven [more] seas, the words of Allah would not be exhausted. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise".

All this suggest that one should read every word that proceeds from God if one wishes to know God, a daunting endeavour no doubt, which is why most just simply believe. But even if one can read all that God wrote, one still has to work out what books these would be. Knowing this, how you can possibly claim any one book adequately describes God in books which clearly say otherwise amuses me. And you've failed to mention way more detailed expositions of God like that of pre-Christian Plato - writings which influenced the understanding of God in the Bible and likely made it necessary.

So that leaves us with your unknowability of God. I suggest you speak from your own view and your own knowledge and opinion of God obviously gathered from what has been religionised into you. This I say because you mention a "God of religion", as in an understanding gotten from a "particular system of faith and worship", which to me is bread alone and not every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. You also show this inadequacy in your claim that "The Gods of religion is an invention to control people", when the evidence suggests the exact opposite. Or do you seriously think humans would be freer without the religious texts they read? Is it not true that one who knows is less likely to be controlled? Is it not true that those who do not read get enslaved and controlled by those who do read? I put it to you that you perhaps have not read!

Those who assume they cannot know God are the sort whom when God is said to have said to Moses, “Come up to the Lord, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. You are to worship at a distance, but Moses alone is to approach the Lord; the others must not come near. And the people may not come up with him”, don't say what buda says. Buda be like, "What the fuq, Lord! Has Moses got two heads?! Is it not you who created buda also? I'm coming up too. And I'm coming near you!" Those who do not go up with buda and Moses, Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel will most surely be controlled by those who do go up the mountain.

I'm going to suggest to you that God is very knowable, or at least, one can know quite a lot about God. One can study every book said to have been written or inspired by or about gods to gain a better understanding, at least. Then there's that which in Christianity is called the Comforter, which Christ is said to be sending back to minister to one when he's returned to the Father. He might have meant one's own ability to comprehend and reason, but I assure you that dim eyes would have a hard job understanding unless they become as children who have no preconceived ideas, opinion, dogmas, or beliefs. It is this inability to reenter your mother's womb that makes you insist on your dogma that religion is a means of control. I'll leave you with anecdotal evidence that it isn't.

Christianity in Europe in medieval times was a means of education. Humans were brutes in those days and needed it. That same religion is what Europeans have used to free themselves as we can observe today. They have killed their Gods and moved on as they rightly should since its just a boat used to cross a river. Boats becomes useless and weigh one down if held on to after crossing the river. You'd find they weight would determine how far you walk and would act as a controlling influence. You are blaming the boat instead of the fools who can't let go and free themselves from it's unnecessary burden, I'll have you consider.

musicwriter:


Well, I am here almost everyday and can provide books about ancient Africa and also origin of religion. Should you need it, email: kemeticphilosophy@gmail

But you must understand that ''I believe is not the same as I know.'' When you know something, you'll no longer need faith. Tomorrow is Monday. You don't need belief or faith to make that happen. Its better to know than to believe.

Belief put you in fear. Knowledge sets you free.

musicwriter:


Well, I am here almost everyday and can provide books about ancient Africa and also origin of religion. Should you need it, email: kemeticphilosophy@gmail

But you must understand that ''I believe is not the same as I know.'' When you know something, you'll no longer need faith. Tomorrow is Monday. You don't need belief or faith to make that happen. Its better to know than to believe.

Belief put you in fear. Knowledge sets you free.

Dami12345:


Na the process of I dey find. There is son much junk online I was hoping to avoid most of it by talking to someone who knows the path.

Of course I know Christianity is crap.

CHESTER48:
try something like. When you lie down and free it mind make sure everywhere is quite. Try it around 12 am or 1 am. Then think of things impossible. Like imagine your self flying. Or walking on water. Don't sleep off lol. Cause slept off so many times

bodee:
Please Sir, you said it's high time we left religion for spirituality. Sir, please I would like to know the difference between religion and spirituality. Most importantly, what does spirituality entail? Thanks in anticipation of your earnest reply Sir?

calculator123:

Incorrect mail

musicwriter:

Gmail should end with gmail.com . Thanks for your kind understanding.

musicwriter:


A metaphysics (which is actually what I mean by spirituality) would choose ''knowledge'' instead of ''believing'' in something. He would try to understand how the mind works, how reality is generated and why you believe in what you believe. It allows you to understand that everything is all connected and that we're are all one with nature. Therefore, we're one and the same with God. We're not separate from God and we shouldn't be looking for God outside of ourselves.

musicwriter:

This guy did a nice job trying to explain how a spiritual person may understand the real God. See https://jacobniegowski.com/the-real-god/

hayoholla:

Budatum, I must confess I love your write-up above. But my question is are you arguing from a philosophical angle. Because, your argument lean in that direction. Musicwriter might have a vendetta against religion. But I think he's arguing for the necessity of doing away with our culture in favour of religion that does not concerns us, I think that his where he is right. Do we really need it. What happened to us going back to African spirituality, is there any crime in that. And from your write up, I can deduce you are a liberal man who believe there's truth in every school of thought. But why must it be the status quo. And we should ask ourselves this question too, has religion been found worthy to achieve spirituality, has it been found worthy to be a moral guideline to live a morally upright life.

@ musicwriter

These Gods are the personification of the Sun resonance frequency. The Allegory of the Son (Sun) as the Light of the World. The Savior of Mankind, from Darkness.

The Sun (Son) Shines and Darkness comprehendeth it not. He (Sun) rises in the morning (Morning Star) and shall return again in the clouds (every other morning). Jesus is also called Light of the world, but in essence, it is the Sun. Christianity is the worship of the Sun.

There are always different dispensations, and in every dispensation, a story is told, to unite the world and continue the Sacrifice on 25th of December every year. Jesus was not birthed that day. But was arranged in such a way that the killing of animals to free the Souls to Soul is done on that day. It is a ritual that must be conducted. But what it really is, is that to keep the nuclear fusion of the Sun controlled, much quanta of energy has to be generated by freeing up Souls which are quanta of energy and as the energy is attracted through our Portal (Gateway Star - Sol) which is our Sun, the fusion process is continually synthesized while the Conscious Spirit returns to Source and Beyond for those who are Player Characters, while the Non-Player Characters cease to exist after recycling.

So, there are different levels of understanding of the energy generation which must keep the Universe in Play, which is illustrated in Religions, but as you go further and you become Spiritual and get trapped in thinking religion is the only level of scam, but you meet with ritualistic spirituality, another level of the decoy, before you finally get to the Electric Universe Model and the Holographic Simulation level of understanding. That is when you begin to understand the nature of Soul and its relationship to Sol (Sun) and how the exchange of ions and electrons is functional in the fusion process in keeping the Matrix running and the Game of Life hosted in the Universe. The blueprint of our universe is a toroidal field of energy with a gyroscopic plane at the center where we reside.

The Jesus Christ in Christianity, does not really exist as it is preached. But a Spiritual Master must always be used to design a story in other to keep humanity hooked to morality while promoting Love and Light. Every of those Masters and Savior were designed using an existing wise man, it really did not matter which name, cos as long as the name goes through invocation of mass consciousness, magic will always happen.

I want you to understand that time is not linear. Time is just the tracking of allocation of frame of duration to enable us stay on our feet and play our roles. There are always people who will live in the Dark Ages even in 22nd Century despite the advancement in technology, but what is happening at the moment is that the Old System has been phased out as a New World Order has been designed to move the civilization away from the Worship Programs of the Anu's Dynasty to shared culture of the Galactic Federation of Beings. At the moment, there are many ET/Alien civilization who are trying to hijack our plane of existence from the original owners and the new technologies are here because more advance ET civilization is against the worship programs of the Orion Dynasty that designed our bodies.

We must understand that the ETs are not really against us, they are fascinated that we were treated as slaves and those who are free from Religious controls of the Elohim are being activated to act as gateways, energy generators and Antennae for broadcast of new sets of frequencies to help channel different data into our world. Soon enough this planet will be unrecognizably beautiful.

I can see the future, and it is fuccking beautiful. But Religions and the Worship/Savior Programs of our earlier designers have to give way to a more robust relationship with a different race of ETs who are ready to exchange technologies with us and have fair deals with us.

Enjoy your time under the sun.

Happy Sun Day, the Day of the worship of the Sun ,....

binary007:
How many of the listed gods above went to heaven? @op

deltateam:


See how you are using worldly wisdom to discern the things of the spirit. It doesn't work that way.
Jesus is depicted as the Lion of the tribe of Judah. These are merely figurative expressions.

Op to set you right finally.Bible called Christians the light of the world. Is it the light you know?

musicwriter:


Just in case you're not aware but I don't like that tag ''sir'' associated to me. Sir was a title that English people gave to slave traders, thieves, murders. Example; in 1919, a British man, Reginald, killed more than 10,000 people in India. He returned to England to a hero's welcome. His social status arose and he was called sir. The British people also gave him over $500 million to say say thank you.

So, when we call ourselves this title, we actually assume the supremacy of those that enslaved us!. In other words, we become our own enemy!. And this's why we can't get things right in Africa because we have adopted an alien perception of reality. Thus, are unable to understand ourselves and solution to our problems.

Now to your question.....................

Spirituality means exploring reality beyond religions. You would look for meaning of life beyond religions. But if you're not spiritual you'll think that your Christianity or Islam has figured out the meaning and purpose of life.

If you even go higher in spirituality, you could explore beyond science i.e metaphysics. A metaphysics (which is actually what I mean by spirituality) would choose ''knowledge'' instead of ''believing'' in something. He would try to understand how the mind works, how reality is generated and why you believe in what you believe. It allows you to understand that everything is all connected and that we're are all one with nature. Therefore, we're one and the same with God. We're not separate from God and we shouldn't be looking for God outside of ourselves.

A spiritual person understands that God cannot be limited by a so called holy book or doctrines. As a result, he would want to know more and more about what we call God, instead of a religious person that would be satisfied with ''just accept Jesus as your personal lord and savior'' or ''accept Muhammad as the messenger of Allah'' and all would be fine.

Spirituality helps you understand there's more meaning to life than Jesus or Muhammad. It gives common sense enough to understand that God would never ask for tithe or put a middle man between itself and us or put someone in hell. A spiritual person would understand that any such teaching must be false because it doesn't pass the test of common sense. If you're spiritual you would, for instance, understand that there's no difference between Christianity and Islam or other religions. They're all saying and doing the same thing at the end of the day.

The ancient people practiced spirituality, unfortunately, Europeans and Arabs came in and placed themselves in the position of God and claimed God gave them a book about himself. But that's a lie!. They wrote the books themselves to control people.

This guy did a nice job trying to explain how a spiritual person may understand the real God. See https://jacobniegowski.com/the-real-god/

musicwriter:


That's a good question.

And the answer is because ancient people first worshiped the sun, which they conceived as sitting in the center of the universe. They called the sun the light of the world. It ended up in Matthew 5:14-16. They called it the bright morning star. It ended up in Revelation 22:16.

They were able to calculate the suns life rotation and they realized the sun passes through 12 constellations (star systems)- Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces. See attached image.

They divided the time into 12 ages; just like the Chinese still say they're in the age of dragon and later they'll enter another age according to their calculation. By the way, that's how the 12 disciples later emerged.

The sun is permanently in the center, so they believed the sun had crucified itself at that location to save humanity. See attached image.

Its not difficult to see how the idea of a cross could drift into the mind of an artisan to use a cross emblem as the representation for all the crucified saviors- see below how I cut out part of the image. That's how they arrived at a cross.

This video throws more light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXU05I1yQ1M

Note: Nobody died on the cross, ancient people didn't understand it that way, rather they understood it symbolically as I explained with the sun. In neighboring Benin republic, the voodoo initiate still die for 3 days and resurrects on the 3rd day. Till today, they still symbolically commemorate the death and resurrection of an initiate!.

Imperialist Europeans are the ones who harnessed these ancient myths and anthropomorphized it to control the world. And the reason they made it that way is so they can say they witnessed the resurrection of Jesus and, therefore, should sit on the top hierarchy of the belief system they created- which is how the catholic church was born. It remained the only one universal church until about 1054 AD or thereabout when it began to disintegrate.

See below image, and do watch that video for more information.

musicwriter:

The real God cannot be known, because its unknowable.

musicwriter:
Here are names of Gods throughout history that are said to have died and resurrected.

OSIRIS
An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 5,000 YEARS before Jesus.

HORUS
An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 3,000 YEARS before Jesus.

BUDDHA
An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus.

KRISHNA
An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 900 YEARS before Jesus..

ZARATHUSTRA
An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1,000 YEARS before Jesus.

HERCULES
A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 800 YEARS before Jesus.

MITHRA
An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus.

DIONYSUS
A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 500 YEARS before Jesus..

THAMMUZ
A Babylonian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 2,000 YEARS before Jesus.

HERMES
A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus.

ADONIS
A Phoenician God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus.

JESUS CHRIST
A Roman God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1-30 AD.

Source: World history.

Top books on this topic could be found below. Right click on the links to make sure you have the exact book.

The world's sixteen crucified saviors- Karsey Graves

Christianity before Christ- John G Jackson

Who Is This King of Glory? a Critical Study of the Christos-Messiah Tradition- Alvin Boyd

Bible myths and their parallel in other religions- T.W Doane

Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All- David Fitzgerald

Jesus Never existed- Kenneth Humphreys

Caesar's Messiah: The Roman conspiracy to invent Jesus- Joseph Atwil

101 Myths of the Bible: How ancient scribes invented biblical history- Gary Greenberg

Anacalypsis VOL 1 & VOL 2- Godfrey Higgins

musicwriter:

BUDDHA
An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus.

Estobi:
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