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Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Nobody: 11:51pm On Dec 27, 2010
pls can you give me the verse that support muta nikah,cos am argueying with someone about it,jazakallah Khairan,if Allah made it permissible,why should we hate Allah's thing,its not right for a believer to dislike whatever Allah has permitted,its umbelief if we do that.

There some of our big Aunty that have lost hopes and needs men in thier life,even though they were married back home in Nigeria,but situation of the country could not let them continue with thier marriage and they dnt wanna divorce thier husband back home,could muta be a solution for them
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by isalegan2: 12:58am On Dec 28, 2010
Wow! Uplawal,

I don't know how to tell you what I think of that.  I don't have any surahs.  I'm not a Quarnic scholar, but I know it is frowned upon, and Sunnis discourage it.  if a man can marry 4 wives, and you are allowed to divorce, why would anyone need temporary marriage?  I know LagosShia has said his own, but I think that is from his side.

For the "aunties" you talk about, how do you know they want to live that way, as some man's temporary "wife."  If they are older and already have children, what do they need husbands for?  Sometimes a husband is a lot of problems anyway.   cheesy

Salaam.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by LagosShia: 1:05am On Dec 28, 2010
isale_gan2:

Wow! Uplawal,

I don't know how to tell you what I think of that.  I don't have any surahs.  I'm not a Quarnic scholar, but I know it is frowned upon, and Sunnis discourage it.  if a man can marry 4 wives, and you are allowed to divorce, why would anyone need temporary marriage?  I know LagosShia has said his own, but I think that is from his side.

For the "aunties" you talk about, how do you know they want to live that way, as some man's temporary "wife."  If they are older and already have children, what do they need husbands for?  Sometimes a husband is a lot of problems anyway.   cheesy

Salaam.

lol, you're a funny person!!!

you got me laughing really loud!!! grin

well your question is what do they need husbands for?
i think you know well why you need a man!!!

the answer is very simple.they may have had children and even financially comfortable.but women too got feelings and urges that must be taken care of in a proper way or else that could become a menace to society and a shame on their family if left unattended to in a proper way,

as for the 4 wives issue,some women dont like to share their bed with other women.that is also an issue.while both are permissible,we can cite personal tastes and dislikes for both ways.that will not stop any from being permissible.

inshaAllah i'll get the verses and share them.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by LagosShia: 1:15am On Dec 28, 2010
uplawal:

pls can you give me the verse that support muta nikah,cos am argueying with someone about it,jazakallah Khairan,if Allah made it permissible,why should we hate Allah's thing,its not right for a believer to dislike whatever Allah has permitted,its umbelief if we do that.

There some of our big Aunty that have lost hopes and needs men in thier life,even though they were married back home in Nigeria,but situation of the country could not let them continue with thier marriage and they dnt wanna divorce thier husband back home,could muta be a solution for them


Qur'anic evidences for the legitimacy of Mut'ah

[Forbidden to you] are married woman, except what your right hand possesses. This Allah has written for you, and all other women besides these are permitted to you, so that you may seek them out with your wealth, seeking chastity and not fornication. So when you have contracted temporary marriage [istimt'atum] with them, then give them their words. There is no sin on you for whatever you agree to after this. Indeed, Allah is Knowing, Wise.
Al-Qur'an, Surah An-Nisa, Ayah 24

READ MORE HERE:

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/mutah/en/chap4.php
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Nobody: 1:20am On Dec 28, 2010
laughing hard too grin grin grin grin grin,lol,what a question?what do they need husband for?

It goes a long way,for those Aunties,thats when the thing(sexual enjoyment)is at its peak,and they dnt wanna engage in illicit affair,and also dnt wanna loose thier hubby back home,since its a distance that separate them and some day the distance will no more be there but before then,something sweet must shele in a clean way.

Pls we need answers o,as i wanna start connecting people right now,lol
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by LagosShia: 1:22am On Dec 28, 2010
I also want to make one very important thing clear for everyone,in the shariah there are 5 categories onto which an act or practice can be classified to:

1.) Halal (permissible)
2.) Mustahab (recommended)
3.) Makrooh  (disliked but halal)
4.) Mubah (neutral,neither recommended nor forbidden)
5.) Haram (not permissible)

If the above 5,mut'ah marriage can be any of the above except mutahab and haram (ofcourse that depends on the individual cases and the opinion of different scholars' ruling).but we can be for cetain that mutah is not haram.it can fall anywhere in the list but it can never be haram.whatever is not haram can be done without sin and punishment for it.but not everything that is halal must be done.we need to understand the above concepts very well and keep them in mind when trying to understand mutah marriage.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by LagosShia: 1:24am On Dec 28, 2010
uplawal:

laughing hard too grin grin grin grin grin,lol,what a question?what do they need husband for?

It goes a long way,for those Aunties,thats when the thing(sexual enjoyment)is at its peak,and they dnt wanna engage in illicit affair,and also dnt wanna loose thier hubby back home,since its a distance that separate them and some day the distance will no more be there but before then,something sweet must shele in a clean way.

Pls we need answers o,as i wanna start connecting people right now,lol

a married woman regardless of distance cannot have 2 husbands nor can she perform mutah marriage.
read surah an-Nisa verse 24 presented in previous post.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Nobody: 1:30am On Dec 28, 2010
what is the "give them thier words"meaning pls abeg,infact outline the meaning by each verse cos i really need to understand it.

That means those ALHAJI and ADELEBOS get mouth niyen,i mean PROOF,as long as they stick together and not motive for fornication,lol grin
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Nobody: 1:38am On Dec 28, 2010
But that means the women must be divorced before Muta can take place then,Once Halal,always Halal,and never Harammmmmmm,gbam.


Lagosshia(ALFA NLA) ti replace Lagosboy in 2011 insha Allah.


JOOOOO grin grin
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by LagosShia: 1:42am On Dec 28, 2010
uplawal:

But that means the women must be divorced before Muta can take place then,Once Halal,always Halal,and never Harammmmmmm,gbam.


Lagosshia(ALFA NLA) ti replace Lagosboy in 2011 insha Allah.


JOOOOO grin grin

lol

yes,a woman must be divorced and she must observe the Iddah (waiting period) before she can move from one man to another.there are reasons for this.one of them is to avoid confusion in case of pregnancy.the point again is a married woman cannot have two husbands whether near or far.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Nobody: 1:44am On Dec 28, 2010
I THOUGHT YOURE SLEEPING ALREADY,ME WANNA GO SLEEP NOW,BEFORE MY HUSBAND GO VEXX,

ASALAMU ALEIKUM
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 1:49am On Dec 28, 2010
Is divorce taken lightly, as muta marriage is?

How can marriage be taken lightly, and the other side of it divorce is taken so seriously?

Muta is a forbidden thing if marriage is a serious affairs.

I will indeed post many verses of Quran frowning at divorce, and also talking about the seriousness of the marriage. I am a proponent of remarrying, but temporary marriage is unethical.

Please visit Answeing-christianity.com and go under the temporary marriage to do your own research after my post from there.

May Allah reward the authors. Amin.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 1:56am On Dec 28, 2010
Refuting Muta: It is haraam. Who among us will permit his or her women folks to go for it? Definitely not me. I am a son of a woman, a brother to many, a nephew to many, a cousin to many, an uncle to many and a husband. I have good jealousy in me. I detest evil. temporary marriage is.

The sub-sections here are:

(a)- Divorce is condemned and could bring sin upon you according to the Noble Quran!

(b)- Marriage is a ميثاقا غليظا "Great and Solemn Covenant" according to the Noble Quran! pulsar.gif (2171 bytes)

(i)- Islam is now Complete! Shias be Warned!

(c)- If you're not stable enough, then marry only ONE WIFE!
(d)- One wife even if the orphans are compromised!
(e)- Divorce in the Shia sources.

i- Divorce is the most detestable permissible thing to Allah Almighty.
ii- Except in adultery, a divorce must never happen.
ii- Divorce shakes the Throne of Allah Almighty.



On this site, we have created a detailed section with many articles, both in TEXT and AUDIO, proving using Islamic quotes from both the Noble Quran and the Hadiths (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him) that temporary marriage is forbidden in Islam. You can checkout those articles at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/muta.htm. In this article, however, I will prove that temporary marriage is also strictly forbidden from those Islamic Pharisees' own sources, by Allah Almighty's Grace, Mercy, Guidance and Will.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 1:57am On Dec 28, 2010
Temporary marriage is Haraam continues . . . . .

The Shias allow marriage of any type and for any amount of time. A Muslim can, for instance, marry a young college girl with hot sexy curves and very beautiful body for an hour and then divorce her. Muta marriage to the Shias is a marriage that is destined for divorce. Yet, their own sources strongly condemn divorce as we clearly see below. Let us first see what Allah Almighty Said regarding irresponsible marriage and irresponsible divorce in the Noble Quran:



(a)- Divorce is condemned and could bring sin upon you according to the Noble Quran:
Throughout my articles, I've always liked to take the worst case scenario that the infidels charge Islam with and still refute them by Allah Almighty's Mercy, Grace and Will. For our case here, I will take the Shia's argument that the Prophet of Islam never personally nullified Muta-temporary marriage and still prove that this type of Muta is not only detestable to Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran, but it is also supposed to be far from being a legalized prostitution, because it shouldn't be a marriage that is destined for intentional and planned divorce to begin with.

(Note: Noble Verse 4:3 in Sub-sections "B" and "C" below gives a big smack to the Shias' prostitution!)
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 1:59am On Dec 28, 2010
Muta to the Shias is a marriage that is destined for divorce. This, however, is far from being supported in the Noble Quran. Here is what Allah Almighty Said regarding divorce in the Noble Quran:

‏2:236 لاجناح عليكم ان طلقتم النساء مالم تمسوهن او تفرضوا لهن فريضة ومتعوهن على الموسع قدره وعلى المقتر قدره متاعا بالمعروف حقا على المحسنين

"You bear no sin if you divorce your wives AS LONG AS YOU HAVE NOT (ma-lam مالم) had (a sexual) contact (with them), and before settling (the amount of) the nuptial premium (for them). Yet, you should make provisions for them (even then); the affluent in keeping with his means, and the poor according to what he can afford. A fair provision is an obligation upon the pious. (The Noble Quran, 2:236)"

Ma-lam مالم in Arabic means "as long as you have not," which makes it a condition and a Law. The meaning of the word مالم as "as long as you have not" is very well-known in Arabic and the translation is also proven by ample English translations of this Noble Verse. So irresponsible divorce after the consummation of marriage (after sex) will bring sin upon the irresponsible and guilty one(s). The Noble Verse is crystal-clear about this.


Ma-lam مالم does not mean "before":

قبل means "before" in the Noble Quran and in Arabic. The following Noble Verses clealry prove this:

‏2:108 ام تريدون ان تسئلوا رسولكم كما سئل موسى من قبل ومن يتبدل الكفر بالايمان فقد ضل سواء السبيل

[002:108] Rather you wish to put questions to your Apostle, as Musa was questioned before; and whoever adopts unbelief instead of faith, he indeed has lost the right direction of the way.

‏2:254 ياايها الذين امنوا انفقوا ممارزقناكم من قبل ان ياتي يوم لابيع فيه ولاخلة ولاشفاعة والكافرون هم الظالمون

[002:254] O you who believe! spend out of what We have given you before the day comes in which there is no bargaining, neither any friendship nor intercession, and the unbelievers -- they are the unjust.

‏2:4 والذين يؤمنون بما انزل اليك وماانزل من قبلك وبالاخرة هم يوقنون

[002:004] And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are sure of the hereafter.

‏2:21 ياايها الناس اعبدوا ربكم الذي خلقكم والذين من قبلكم لعلكم تتقون

[002:021] O men! serve your Lord Who created you and those before you so that you may guard (against evil).
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:00am On Dec 28, 2010
"Oh prophet, (and Oh you believers)! If you (must) divorce your women, divorce them for a (prescribed) period. Count the period (correctly). Fear Allah, your Lord, and do not _ unless they have committed a flagrantly immoral act _ expel your divorced women out of their homes. The women too should not leave their homes. These are the confines of Allah. Anyone overstepping the limits of Allah actually commits an outrage upon himself. You do not know! (During that period), Allah may well bring about something (to cause reconciliation between the husband and wife). (The Noble Quran, 65:1)"

Fear Allah?? So not only divorce is displeasing to Allah Almighty as we saw in the previous Noble Verse and also in this Noble Verse, but if the man is not careful with the divorce and the timing of the divorce, then Allah Almighty will not be pleased with him.

"At the end of the (prescribed) period, either hold back your women (in wedlock) lawfully, according to the well-known (prescribed) manner, or make the divorce final in accordance with the well known (prescribed) way. Take two of your fair minded (and respected) men as your witnesses. (Oh witnesses)! Bear the witness truthfully for the sake of Allah! Those who believe in Allah, and the life-to-come, are hereby being asked to heed. Allah will provide a way out for the one who fears Him! (The Noble Quran, 65:2)"

Here in this Noble Verse, we see that divorce is not only discouraged, but it also has to be done in the most proper Islamic way.

Another look at Noble Verse 65:2 to see how Allah Almighty Commanded that at least two reliable witnesses must witness the divorce between the man and the woman:
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:01am On Dec 28, 2010
"At the end of the (prescribed) period, either hold back your women (in wedlock) lawfully, according to the well-known (prescribed) manner, or make the divorce final in accordance with the well known (prescribed) way. Take two of your fair minded (and respected) men as your witnesses. (Oh witnesses)! Bear the witness truthfully for the sake of Allah! Those who believe in Allah, and the life-to-come, are hereby being asked to heed. Allah will provide a way out for the one who fears Him! (The Noble Quran, 65:2)"

The fact that the Islamic Pharisees (Shias) don't require witnesses for either the marriage and divorce in their temporary marriage contracts, makes it clearly go against Allah Almighty's Holy Words in Noble Verse 65:2.

Clearly, the Shias' Muta is not Islamic! And like I said, the Sunnis Hadiths do clearly state that Prophet Muhammad forbade Muta altogether because the Muslims were going to turn it into a legalized prostitution.

"And if you divorce your wives before having (sexual) contact, but after settling (the amount of) the nuptial premium, then you are liable to pay half of the stipulated amount. (However), there is no harm if the woman gives up her half, or (there is no harm if the groom,) the one who is responsible for tying the wedding knot (pays the full amount and) waives his half. (For the groom) to forgo (his half) is closer to piety. But do not (forgo or) forget to show courtesy (and kindness) to one another. Indeed, Allah (vigilantly) watches everything you do. (The Noble Quran, 2:237)"

Just the fact that she was called your wife for even one hour makes her entitled of half of the dowry amount. That's how honored marriage is in Islam.

"The divorced woman has a right to a reasonable livelihood; and (to provide) it is an obligation upon the pious. (The Noble Quran, 2:241)"
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:02am On Dec 28, 2010
Here a divorced woman has the right to what we call today maintenance or alimony payment. Again, another clear-cut proof that marriage is very honored and sacred in Islam.

"(Remember), if you are in doubt about the ‘iddat.’ of your women, _ either because they are past the age, or haven’t yet started to menstruate _ it lasts three months. The ‘iddat’ for the pregnant women (is three months, or it) lasts till the termination of pregnancy. (iddat: the period after divorce during which a woman is forbidden to remarry). Allah (grants a leeway and) makes matters easy for the one who fears Him. (The Noble Quran, 65:4)"

"(During the period of ‘iddat’) have the (divorced) women live where you live, as your resources allow. Do not abuse and mistreat them, in order to harass them. If they happen to be carrying (your) child, then spend and bear their expenses till they carry their pregnancies to term. If they are nursing (your child), then compensate them in a fair and equitable manner. Settle the issue (of compensation) between you and your (former) wives amicably. Should the matter (of compensation) be difficult (and hard to resolve), then any other woman may nurse the child. (The Noble Quran, 65:6)"

Again, more alimony payments and more honor to marriage and more discourage and resentment by Allah Almighty toward divorce.





(b)- Marriage is a ميثاقا غليظا "Great and Solemn Covenant" according to the Noble Quran!

Allah Almighty Declared in the Glorious Quran that a "Great and Solemn Covenant" (ميثاقا غليظا) is taken by the two spouses when they get married. How could a marriage of only 2 hours, for example, that is intentionally destined for divorce be a Great and Solemn Covenant?!
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by LagosShia: 2:04am On Dec 28, 2010
sweetnecta,

STOP COMPARING ORANGES TO APPLES.

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING PERMANENT MARRIAGE TO MUTA?

HAVE YOU NOT READ (the posts) THAT THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH LEAD PEOPLE TO DO IT?

AND IF THE QURAN CAN MAKE IT PERMISSIBLE,WHO ARE YOU TO SAY IT IS FORBIDDEN?IT DOESNT MEAN YOU MUST DO OR LIKE IT.BUT JUST LEAVE AS IT IS AND DONT BE A HYPOCRITE OR ONE WHO LIVES IN SELF-DENIAL.

I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR "MANY OTHER VERSES" THAT PROHIBIT MUTA.LOL,

shia are only being real to know the reality that it is not forbidden and we should know the conditions where it can be applied.other than that,no one is saying you must do it or that it is the best thing to do.try and understand that and have in mind that because it is not the best doesnt mean it becomes haram.something haram is a sinful act that is punished for.how can muta be haram when to your sunni admittance that it was allowed before Umar banned it?
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by LagosShia: 2:05am On Dec 28, 2010
uplawal:

I THOUGHT YOURE SLEEPING ALREADY,ME WANNA GO SLEEP NOW,BEFORE MY HUSBAND GO VEXX,

ASALAMU ALEIKUM

Wa Alaikum as-Salam Dear Sister!!!

have a good night rest and my regards to your husband!!!
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:08am On Dec 28, 2010
Let us look at what Allah Almighty Said in Noble Verses 4:20-21 and 33:7:
Noble Verse(s) 4:20-4:21
Yusuf Ali:

[004:020]  But if ye decide to take one wife in place of another, even if ye had given the latter a whole treasure for dower, Take not the least bit of it back: Would ye take it by slander and manifest wrong?
[004:021]  And how could ye take it when ye have gone in unto each other, and they have Taken from you a solemn covenant?

Dr. Munir Munshey (one of www.answering-christianity.com's authors):
[004:020]  In case you want to replace a wife with another, do not take back anything you may have given to her in the past, even if it were a very large sum. Would you take back (your gift) by resorting to slander and a flagrant injustice?

[004:021]  How can you take anything back, after you have already consummated the relationship (and enjoyed each other)? She has secured from you a firm commitment!

Transliteration:
[004:020]  Wa-in aradtumu istibdala zawjin makana zawjin waataytum ihdahunna qintaran fala ta/khuthoo minhu shay-an ata/khuthoonahu buhtanan wa-ithman mubeenan

[004:021]  Wakayfa ta/khuthoonahu waqad afda baAAdukum ila baAAdin waakhathna minkum meethaqan ghaleethan

Arabic (from right to left):
‏4:20 وان اردتم استبدال زوج مكان زوج واتيتم احداهن قنطارا فلا تاخذوا منه شيئا اتاخذونه بهتانا واثما مبينا

‏4:21 وكيف تاخذونه وقد افضى بعضكم الى بعض واخذن منكم ميثاقا غليظا



The same ميثاقا غليظا Great and Solemn Covenant was also taken by the Prophets:
Noble Verse(s) 33:7
Yusuf Ali:

[033:007]  And remember We took from the prophets their covenant: As (We did) from thee: from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn covenant:

Dr. Munir Munshey (one of www.answering-christianity.com's authors):
[033:007]  (Remember)! We have secured covenants from all messengers, including you, Nooh, Ibraheem, Musa and Jesus, the son of Mary. We have obtained from them a solid and solemn pact.

Transliteration:
[033:007]  Wa-ith akhathna mina alnnabiyyeena meethaqahum waminka wamin noohin wa-ibraheema wamoosa waAAeesa ibni maryama waakhathna minhum meethaqan ghaleethan

Arabic (from right to left):
‏33:7 واذ اخذنا من النبيين ميثاقهم ومنك ومن نوح وابراهيم وموسى وعيسى ابن مريم واخذنا منهم ميثاقا غليظا
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:09am On Dec 28, 2010
So there is doubt that the term ميثاقا غليظا is indeed a great deal in the Glorious Quran, and is something that Allah Almighty takes very seriously. Tampering with marriage and/or treating it carelessly is a grave sin that Allah Almighty will punish the sinner severely for. Allah Almighty Said:

"Those who conceal God's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit,- they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; God will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty. (The Noble Quran, 2:174)"

"Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear Signs: For them is a dreadful penalty,- (The Noble Quran, 3:105)"
""At length will be said to the wrong-doers: 'Taste ye the enduring punishment! ye get but the recompense of what ye earned!'" They seek to be informed by thee: "Is that true?" Say: "Aye! by my Lord! it is the very truth! and ye cannot frustrate it!" Every soul that hath sinned, if it possessed all that is on earth, would fain give it in ransom: They would declare (their) repentance when they see the penalty: but the judgment between them will be with justice, and no wrong will be done unto them. (The Noble Quran, 10:52-54)"

"Those who join together those things which God hath commanded to be joined, hold their Lord in awe, and fear the terrible reckoning; (The Noble Quran, 13:21)"

"And remember! your Lord caused to be declared (publicly): "If ye are grateful, I will add more (favours) unto you; But if ye show ingratitude, truly My punishment is terrible indeed." (The Noble Quran, 14:7)"
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:11am On Dec 28, 2010
"And that My Penalty will be indeed the most grievous Penalty. (The Noble Quran, 15:50)"



There are certainly 307 Noble Verses that warn us about Allah Almighty's Severe Punishment to the sinners and the disbelievers in the Day of Judgement.



Also, those who purposely tempt the believers and do not repent from their evil will end up in Hell Fire. Fitnah (فتنة) in Arabic means both temptation and tumult. See detailed definitions below. Any type of unlawful enticement is fitnah, and any type of trickery that leads to a conflict is also a fitnah. This includes but not limited to:

1- Causing doubts in the hearts of the Believers toward Islam by talking negative about Islam.

2- Verbal sexual enticement.

3- Dressing inappropriately, such as wearing bikinis where 99% of the unclothedness is exposed to the public.

4- Encouraging evil actions and decisions such as gambling, drinking alcohol, taking drugs, etc,

5- Purposely causing two parties or two groups of people to have conflicts with each others. See also: What does Islam say about tumult?

And so on, Allah Almighty Said:
Noble Verse(s) 85:10
Arabic (from right to left):

‏85:10 ان الذين فتنوا المؤمنين والمؤمنات ثم لم يتوبوا فلهم عذاب جهنم ولهم عذاب الحريق

‏Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan:
[085:010] Verily, those who put into trial the believing men and believing women, and then do not turn in repentance, (to Allah), will have the torment of Hell, and they will have the punishment of the burning Fire.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:12am On Dec 28, 2010
As we clearly see in Noble Verse 85:10, anyone who purposely draws a believing Muslim into temptation (any form of evil temptation) then he/she is committing a sin, and if he/she doesn't repent, then their punishment with Allah Almighty is severe.

The Arabic words fatanoo (فتنوا) is derived from the root word fitnah (فتنة), which literally means temptation, or putting someone to the test, or putting someone in a situation where your intention is to cause him/her to fail. It is as the English translation says: a trial. It also means trying to create a conflict or trouble, either to someone or between people.

1- According to Google's Online Arabic-English Dictionary, فتن (verb of فتنة) means:

1. enthrall
2. enchant
3. captivate
4. infatuate
5. spellbind
6. mesmerize
7. witch
8. seduce
9. tempt
10. magnetize
11. ravish
12. charm

2- According to the Arabic-English dictionary the Hans Wehr dictionary [5], page 696, فتنة means:

1. temptation
2. trial
3. charm
4. charmingness
5. enchantment
6. captivation
7. enticement
8. infatuation
9. intrigue
10. sedition
11. riot
12. discord
13. dissension

3- According to Google's Online Arabic-English Dictionary, فتنة means:

1. sedition
2. temptation
3. trial
4. seduction

4- According to the Arabic-English dictionary the Hans Wehr dictionary [5], page 695, فتن (verb of فتنة) means:

1. to subject to temptation or trials
2. seduce
3. tempt
4. entice
5. allure
6. beguile
7. to enamor
8. enchant
9. captivate
10. enthrall
11. enrapture
12. infatuate
13. charm



(i)- Islam is now Complete! Shias be Warned!

Even if Muta (temporary marriage) was allowed during Prophet Muhammad's times, but it is important for all Muslims and non-Muslims to know that Muta was allowed during the partial days of Islam, when the Laws of the Glorious Quran were not all yet Revealed, and for special reasons. But after the Glorious Quran was completely Revealed, one would now have to look at all of the Islamic Laws properly and comprehensively to properly determine whether a certain activity is either permissible or prohibited:
Noble Verse(s) 5:3
Yusuf Ali:

[005:003] Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than God; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, God is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Arabic (from right to left):
‏5:3 حرمت عليكم الميتة والدم ولحم الخنزير ومااهل لغير الله به والمنخنقة والموقوذة والمتردية والنطيحة ومااكل السبع الا ماذكيتم وماذبح على النصب وان تستقسموا بالازلام ذلك فسق اليوم يئس الذين كفروا من دينكم فلا تخشوهم واخشون اليوم اكملت لكم دينكم واتممت عليكم نعمتي ورضيت لكم الاسلام دينا فمن اضطر في مخمصة غير متجانف لاثم فان الله غفور رحيم
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:13am On Dec 28, 2010
So for those Shias of today who bring some Sayings of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, allowing Muta, they are either being completely ignorant about Islam or they are being very dishonest. The reason for this is because such Saying or Sayings from the Prophet were said during, again, the partial days of Islam. When one looks at all of Islam's Laws properly and comprehensively today, then one will easily and clearly find out that Islam is crystal clear about prohibiting marriages that are intentionally destined for divorce, because neither such marriages are made up of "Great and Solemn Covenants", nor was the woman left sexually untouched by the man! Violating any or both Laws that are in Noble Verses 2:236 and 4:21, and in many other Noble Verses, will bring a grave sin upon the person as I have clearly demonstrated above.

The practice of Muta today is clearly and indisputably clashing very bitterly and very stubbornly with the Warnings and the Laws of Allah Almighty in Noble Verses 2:236 and 4:21 and many other Noble Verses, which are explained in great details above.





(c)- If you're not stable enough, then marry only ONE WIFE!

"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)"

If the man is not mature enough nor mentally stable enough to handle multiple women (to take care of the orphans), then he is Commanded by Allah Almighty to marry only one wife. Him marrying women for few hours and then divorcing them is strictly forbidden in this Noble Verse.

Also, Allah Almighty here not only resents divorce, but also resents polygamy altogether. And those men who abuse and misuse polygamy will find themselves in sin. Please visit: What does Islam say about polygamy? for more details.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:14am On Dec 28, 2010
If Allah Almighty truly didn't care about the sacredness of marriage and divorce in Islam, then He wouldn't have Said "then only one". Obviously, this Noble Verse would be completely useless and pointless if I can marry sexy college girls for few hours and then divorce them as I please.



What's the point in Commanding me in keeping ONLY ONE WIFE then



(d)- One wife even if the orphans are compromised!

Another point that is worth mentioning on Noble Verse 4:3 above is that Allah Almighty's initial allowance of polygamy was solely and strictly for the sake of taking care of the orphans. When Muslims won battles against infidel tribes, many women and children were left widowed and orphaned from both the infidels' and the Muslims' sides. To solve the social crisis, Allah Almighty allowed the Muslim men to marry multiple women, up to four, to help them take care of the orphans. But notice in the Noble Verse how much Allah Almighty valued the sacredness of marriage even over the needs of the orphans. He, the Almighty, Said clearly and indisputably that if the Muslim man fears that his marriage will be a troublesome one for him and his wives, then he must (no choice here) stick with ONLY ONE WIFE and few harems. Marrying multiple women in this case would be a sin.

Again, please visit: What does Islam say about polygamy? for more details.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:15am On Dec 28, 2010
And oh yeah by the way (for those Islamic Pharisees and prostitutes), that ONE WIFE? is a permanent wife and not a temporary one. This is obvious in the fact that her main duty is to take care of the orphans along with her husband and children, which everyone of these is a long-term task. You obviously couldn't take care of the orphans for few hours and then get divorced and leave them. Also marrying and divorcing women temporarily wouldn't allow the man to be "able to deal justly (with them)," (4:3) since the man is not keeping the women justly and treating them justly; one women is used for few hours or days, while the other is a permanent one, yeah, that is fair and just according to Allah Almighty in Noble Verse 4:3, right?



Truly, those Islamic Pharisees are sick!


And like Jesus said above, they only convert people to satan!



But it was the Prophet who allowed it, not us!!

A natural answer to my statement about them being sick is that it was the Prophet, peace be upon him, who allowed Muta marriage, and that it wasn't them who just invented it out of thin air. This point is thoroughly addressed and refuted further below where we will see why the Holy Prophet temporarily allowed it, and what social problems did it solve, and why then he forbade it. This is all beside the point that Allah Almighty clearly condemned irresponsible divorce, in the Noble Quran, as we've clearly seen above. So it appears clearly that Allah Almighty forbade irresponsible divorce after Muta marriage was forbidden by the Prophet. Allah Almighty clearly told the Prophet:
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:16am On Dec 28, 2010
It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and God doth watch over all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:52)"

It appears that after Allah Almighty forbade Muta on the Prophet, and the Prophet forbade it on the Muslims, Allah Almighty addressed divorce thoroughly in the Noble Quran.

Please visit: Refuting the Shia's Muta (temporary marriage) with the Noble Quranic Prophetic Sunnah for more details.

Also visit: COUNTLESS abrogations by GOD Almighty in Moses' and David's books in the Bible's Old Testament (OT)!





(e)- Divorce in the Shia sources:

The following three points are clearly demonstrated and proven, below:

i- Divorce is the most detestable permissible thing to Allah Almighty.
ii- Except in adultery, a divorce must never happen.
iii- Divorce shakes the Throne of Allah Almighty.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:17am On Dec 28, 2010
First, we have already seen how Allah Almighty condemns irresponsible divorce in the Noble Quran. It is clear and it is beyond question!

Let us now look at what those Islamic Pharisees' own sources say about divorce. We already know what the Sunni sources (Sunnis make up more than 85% of the 1.5 billion Muslims world-wide) say about temporary marriage, which we have provided them in the Muta section. Below, we will see what those Islamic Pharisees' sources say to completely prove that they are indeed corrupt heathens:



Source #1:

From http://www.iranchamber.com/personalities/mmotahari/works/jurisprudence_and_its_principles.pdf:

"It is a condition of divorce firstly that, at the time of divorce, the woman is clean of her monthly period. Secondly, there must be two just witnesses present when the contract of divorce is recited. Divorce is divinely detested. The Prophet of God tells us: "The most-detested permissible (thing) before God is divorce". "



Divorce is the most detestable permissible thing to Allah Almighty!



Source #2:

From http://www.al-shia.com/html/eng/books/principles/014.html:

Divorce:
Although divorce is a lawful act, it is the most detested and worst of adeeds.

Imam Sadiq (AS) stated: ‘Get married but, do not divorce, because a divorce would tremble the ‘Arsh (empyrean) of Allah’.”259



Divorce shakes the Throne of Allah Almighty!!



“lmäm Sädiq (AS) also stated: ‘Allah likes the house which is inhabited in the wake of marriage and dislikes the house which is abandoned in the wake of divorce. .There is nothing more detestable to Allah than a divorce’


Marriage is not like buying a pair of shoes and socks that whenever not liked one disposes the shoes and buys an (pair of shoes. Marriage is a spiritual covenant that two pet make in order to stay together like friends, sympathies au lovers till their death. It is based on these great hopes tb young girl leaves her parents and joins her husband.

A man makes efforts and works hard on the basis of s a divine covenant. He pays for his wedding and buys necessary goods for his new life and works for his comfort.

Marriage is not a lustful affair and a couple cannot destroy it for trivial excuses. Although divorce is lawful, it 1 seriously detested and people are recommended to avoid it much as possible.

Unfortunately, this very detestable act has become so common in Islamic countries and the foundations of family units have become so shaky that there is generally little faith in marriage any more.

Divorce is permitted but only in very exceptional and compelling circumstances.

“The Prophet (SA) of Allah stated: Jibril (Gabriel) advised me about women so much that I thought one should not divorce them except if they commit adultery’.”26’ (this is a Hadith from Prophet Muhammad!)
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:17am On Dec 28, 2010
One should not divorce them except in the case of adultery!!??


These are quotes coming from the Scriptures of the same people who allow for a man to marry a young college girl for an hour and then divorce her! Clearly, these corrupt heathens are the modern-day Islamic Pharisees!





4- So why did Prophet Muhammad allow it for a period of time then?

The sub-sections here are:

(a)- Great Proofs from brother Karim.
(b)- The Prophet allowed Muta only twice - by brother Karim.
(c)- Sincere and burning questions to the Shias!
(d)- The Shias' wasted deeds in the Noble Quran!



Again, Muta is a legal marriage that was built solely on a sexual desire that existed between two couples to enable them to avoid fornication and prostitution in the society, and to allow the men who couldn't afford a traditional and cultural marriage - because it is too expensive for them - to still be able to wed women. Muta was also allowed to enable men who traveled on foot for 100s of miles to distant lands on foot to marry women at their new local towns to prevent them from raping and committing fornication and/or adultery and all other sexual evil such as homosexuality.

Muta also came to solve social problems that the early Muslims faced. It never came to gratify sexual pleasures, even though sexual pleasures are automatically gratified in marriages. Back in the Prophet's days, literal unclothedness and sexual immorality were high among the pagans as clearly shown in the following Hadiths. This clearly proves that the pagans were too sexually open. So Muta also came to ease the sexual temptation and to allow a weaning period for the Muslims to get used to modesty. The Muslims were new to Islam, and they came from sexually open pagan societies:

Narrated Abu Huraira: "On the Day of Nahr (10th of Dhul-Hijja, in the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Abu Bakr was the leader of the pilgrims in that Hajj) Abu Bakr sent me along with other announcers to Mina to make a public announcement: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba. Then Allah's Apostle sent 'All to read out the Surat Bara'a (At-Tauba) to the people; so he made the announcement along with us on the day of Nahr in Mina: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 365)"

Narrated Abu Huraira: "In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.' (See Hadith No. 365 Vol. 1) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 689)"
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:18am On Dec 28, 2010
Narrated Humaid bin Abdur Rahman: "Abu Huraira said, "Abu Bakr sent me in that Hajj in which he was the chief of the pilgrims along with the announcers whom he sent on the Day of Nahr to announce at Mina: "No pagan shall perform Hajj after this year, and none shall perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba in a naked state." Humaid added: That the Prophet sent 'Ali bin Abi Talib (after Abu Bakr) and ordered him to recite aloud in public Surat-Baraa. Abu Huraira added, "So 'Ali, along with us, recited Bara'a (loudly) before the people at Mina on the Day of Nahr and announced "No pagan shall perform Hajj after this year and none shall perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba in a naked state.", except those pagans with whom you (Muslims) have a treaty." (9.4) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 179)"

Narrated Abu Huraira: "That during the Hajj in which the Prophet had made Abu Bakr As Siddiq as chief of the, Hajj before the Hajj-ul-Wida,' on the day of Nahr, Abu Bakr sent him along with a group of persons to announce to the people. "No pagan is permitted to perform Hajj after this year, and nobody is permitted to perform the Tawaf of the Ka'ba naked." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 649)"

However, after Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, saw that the Muslims were going to turn temporary marriage into legalized prostitution, he forbade it for good. Allah Almighty also spoke about the sacredness of marriage throughout the Noble Quran and how irresponsible divorce would bring sin upon the individual. See Noble Verse 2:236 and the many others above.
Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by Sweetnecta: 2:19am On Dec 28, 2010
(a)- Great Proofs from brother Karim:

Salaam, first off all dear brother i found some refutations to shai claims on Mutah, i attacked them in the pdf file "Mutah Discussed". Secondly good research brother Osama, i looked for the proper references to the quotes you gave in the email, and i found the source references for them:

1: "Imam Sadiq (AS) stated: 'Get married but do not divorce, because a divorce would tremble the Arsh (empyrean) of Allah'."

Source: Makarim al-Akhlaq, p 225.

2: "Imam Sadiq (AS) also stated: 'Allah likes the house which is inhabited in the wake of marriage and dislikes the house which is abandoned in the wake of divorce. There is nothing more detestable to Allah than a divorce."

Source: Wasa'il al-Shi'ah, vol 15, p 267.

In this shia source we read:

"The Prophet (SA) of Allah stated: Jibrail(Gabriel) advised me about women so much that I thought one should not divorce them except if they commit adultery'."

Source: Makarim al-Akhlaq, p 248.

The shia Imam we quote holds the view that divorce is most detestable to Allah. We do not need a sunni hadith to refute the shia's, because all great sunni scholars have already written fatwas proving that Mutah is forbidden these days with hadeeth from bukhari & Muslim etc.



So what i advise Osama to do is:

1: To quote some fatwas from great renowned sunni scholars who proof with hadith and quranic verses that Mutah is haram in Islam, an example of such a fatwa can be found on the next link:

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000603.aspx

or:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=4550&CATE=120

Moreover you can quote or refer to the pdf file "Mutah Discussed" which i attached in this mail.

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